What would ratios look like with todays piracy problems and a 2005-2007 economy? - GoFuckYourself.com

Jakez · 04-06-2011, 08:44 PM

Lets say the average ratio today is 1:1000, how much better do you think it would be if there werent so many economic problems going on? 1:750? 1:500?

Mutt · 04-06-2011, 09:09 PM

somebody doing 1:1000 today would be doing 1:350

and i don't think 1:1000 is average these days, it's worse than that. of course depends on how clicks are counted.

patavax · 04-06-2011, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

somebody doing 1:1000 today would be doing 1:350

and i don't think 1:1000 is average these days, it's worse than that. of course depends on how clicks are counted.

Yeah right. Ratios nowadays are around 1:3000 !!!
In those years my ratios were around 1:500/1:600.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 04-06-2011, 10:54 PM

porn is virtually recession proof. people want porn, end of story. porn is like cigarettes. a smoker can be down to his last $20, he'll buy a pack of smokes and figure out what he's going to do wit the other $10. if piracy were 100% eradicated, overall ratios probably wouldn't look any different than they did 10 years ago.

CPA37710T · 04-06-2011, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

porn is virtually recession proof. people want porn, end of story. porn is like cigarettes. a smoker can be down to his last $20, he'll buy a pack of smokes and figure out what he's going to do wit the other $10. if piracy were 100% eradicated, overall ratios probably wouldn't look any different than they did 10 years ago.

Loved your answer, people like you are here to stay

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 04-06-2011, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CPA37710T

Loved your answer, people like you are here to stay

not sure what that means, but thnx i guess?

Agent 488 · 04-06-2011, 11:08 PM

not true at all. plenty of the things they said were recession proof like booze cigs and gambling got hit. this recession is a different beast.

Pornwolf · 04-06-2011, 11:15 PM

Porn was recession proof?

lol

That's true if you are looking at the tube site advertisement income as the main source of profits. If that's how you are looking at it then, yeah, porn will never die.

CPA37710T · 04-06-2011, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

not sure what that means, but thnx i guess?

lol i was trying to say that you wont give up just like that you will always know how to adapt and keep on rocking the business.. tubes arent the end.. eventually something worst will come up

DamianJ · 04-07-2011, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

Lets say the average ratio today is 1:1000, how much better do you think it would be if there werent so many economic problems going on? 1:750? 1:500?

It isn't 2005, so who cares?

Paul Markham · 04-07-2011, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

porn is virtually recession proof. people want porn, end of story. porn is like cigarettes. a smoker can be down to his last $20, he'll buy a pack of smokes and figure out what he's going to do wit the other $10. if piracy were 100% eradicated, overall ratios probably wouldn't look any different than they did 10 years ago.

Porn WAS recession proof when people had to pay for it. I've worked in this business through many recessions and they alway had little effect.

Now porn is so widely available for free and free is often better than paying for it the recession is just one reason people don't pay for it. If piracy was stopped today all the people pirating would go to Tube sites.

The notion that all of a sudden they would all start buying again is so wrong it beggars belief.

Free = Enjoy when you want to, no 30 day membership. No chance of getting ripped off. No chance of spending for crap porn. No chance of signing up to a site with only 30 scenes in. A very wide selection from different studios, different models and different shooters. Switch from 1 niche to another. If you don't like Pornhub today, go look on Slutboat or 1 of the dozens of others.

Paid = HD

Look at the % of people hitting your site. 0.05% ish. If piracy stopped. How many people were looking at a TGP before 1 clicked the "Buy Now" or "See More" link?

10, 20, 50? On The Hun it was possible to grind a server to a halt or cost more in BW than the return brought. Because of all the surfers enjoying free porn. So actually the real ratio was 1-5,000 or even 1-25,000 of surfers consuming porn to 1 buying.

Now compare that to ratios on a tube. Some videos get 1/2 million views. How many of them go look for the site, how many actually buy?

We spent a fortune teaching people not to buy and now pray that they will have to again.

It ain't going to happen, live with it. We made our beds and now we have to lie in them.

Nicky · 04-07-2011, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by patavax

Yeah right. Ratios nowadays are around 1:3000 !!!

If I had those ratios I'd be really pissed, I've never gone over 1:1000 with my top sponsors. Ofc It depends on how you market It too.

greg80 · 04-07-2011, 02:30 AM

ratios would be the same, it's the tubes that's killing porn, not economy

wehateporn · 04-07-2011, 02:34 AM

If people stopped giving away good stuff on their tours, even just a few stars to censor, it would make a huge difference to ratios

patavax · 04-07-2011, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

If I had those ratios I'd be really pissed, I've never gone over 1:1000 with my top sponsors. Ofc It depends on how you market It too.

About 1:3000 is my average ratio for 2011. My topsponsors doing around 1:700 but unfortunately I have sponsors that I am using for years that are doing 1:6000/1:7000 nowadays...
In 2010 my average ratio on all my traffic was around 1:1900, 2009 was around 1:800.

DamianJ · 04-07-2011, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

If people stopped giving away good stuff on their tours, even just a few stars to censor, it would make a huge difference to ratios

Yes, clearly putting stars over someone's cunt on a tour will increase ratios.

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Theo · 04-07-2011, 03:46 AM

Today I went through the stats of one of the largest paysites in the industry that has been around for over 10 years. In 2010 they had the best year since 2007 with significantly less traffic. The changes came from improvements they introduced that reduced their ratio and increased the avg member value. Everything is possible.

Dirty Dane · 04-07-2011, 03:58 AM

It's not that simple. Isolating one thing from another, I mean. Better economy would also lead to less piracy. Less piracy would lead to better economy.

Barry-xlovecam · 04-07-2011, 05:43 AM

Too many hypothetical variables for an exact answer ...

Business models have changed and people that have money to spend have changed their spending patterns.

There has been little radical change in the porn paysite model in the past 10 years while competition has increased/changed.

The flood of stolen, copyright infringing content has accelerated the decline in paysite income. Why pay what for what you can get for free is the consumer thinking ? difficult to argue with and overcome.

However, from my perspective, the members of the adult industry that advertise and allow their "goods" to be offered on the "copyright infringing tube type sites" are jackals and are cannibalizing their own industry.

When you support them you are ensuring your own eventual demise. "Shooting yourself in the foot" so to speak.
I am not sure which business model will implode first ? if it is that of the content producers ? then there will be no new content to steal in time ? people will lose interest in pirate sites with stale, ancient stolen content.

But there is a new impending threat that of actual user created porn content. "My wife's Nasty Movie." Cinematographic excellence only goes so far ? is has become possible for amateurs to create "reasonable quality" content at low cost with current technology. There will be new competition and these tube sites that you complain of are in a position to exploit this trend. With a few exceptions, the sponsor-affiliate business model is doing little to exploit this business model that is on the horizon.

Don't feel so bad, other non-porn industries find themselves in the same circumstances.

"Dinosaurnomics"

04-06-2011, 08:44 PM	#1
Jakez Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oddfuturewolfgangkillthemall!!!!!!! Posts: 5,656	What would ratios look like with todays piracy problems and a 2005-2007 economy? Lets say the average ratio today is 1:1000, how much better do you think it would be if there werent so many economic problems going on? 1:750? 1:500?

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	somebody doing 1:1000 today would be doing 1:350 and i don't think 1:1000 is average these days, it's worse than that. of course depends on how clicks are counted. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Porn was recession proof? lol That's true if you are looking at the tube site advertisement income as the main source of profits. If that's how you are looking at it then, yeah, porn will never die. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

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Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	porn is virtually recession proof. people want porn, end of story. porn is like cigarettes. a smoker can be down to his last $20, he'll buy a pack of smokes and figure out what he's going to do wit the other $10. if piracy were 100% eradicated, overall ratios probably wouldn't look any different than they did 10 years ago.

04-06-2011, 11:08 PM	#7
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	not true at all. plenty of the things they said were recession proof like booze cigs and gambling got hit. this recession is a different beast.

04-07-2011, 03:46 AM	#17
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,524	Today I went through the stats of one of the largest paysites in the industry that has been around for over 10 years. In 2010 they had the best year since 2007 with significantly less traffic. The changes came from improvements they introduced that reduced their ratio and increased the avg member value. Everything is possible. Last edited by Theo; 04-07-2011 at 04:00 AM..

04-07-2011, 03:58 AM	#18
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	It's not that simple. Isolating one thing from another, I mean. Better economy would also lead to less piracy. Less piracy would lead to better economy.

04-07-2011, 05:43 AM	#19
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Too many hypothetical variables for an exact answer ... Business models have changed and people that have money to spend have changed their spending patterns. There has been little radical change in the porn paysite model in the past 10 years while competition has increased/changed. The flood of stolen, copyright infringing content has accelerated the decline in paysite income. Why pay what for what you can get for free is the consumer thinking ? difficult to argue with and overcome. However, from my perspective, the members of the adult industry that advertise and allow their "goods" to be offered on the "copyright infringing tube type sites" are jackals and are cannibalizing their own industry. When you support them you are ensuring your own eventual demise. "Shooting yourself in the foot" so to speak. I am not sure which business model will implode first ? if it is that of the content producers ? then there will be no new content to steal in time ? people will lose interest in pirate sites with stale, ancient stolen content. But there is a new impending threat that of actual user created porn content. "My wife's Nasty Movie." Cinematographic excellence only goes so far ? is has become possible for amateurs to create "reasonable quality" content at low cost with current technology. There will be new competition and these tube sites that you complain of are in a position to exploit this trend. With a few exceptions, the sponsor-affiliate business model is doing little to exploit this business model that is on the horizon. Don't feel so bad, other non-porn industries find themselves in the same circumstances. "Dinosaurnomics"