Every example you just gave is blatant fraud. Everyone knows carding is fraud. Try to have more sense. I sent you legitimate sales through a tried and true advertising stream.

The screenshot I posted was for a mainstream program that clearly defines what not to bid on when promoting them via PPC. I can post screenshots of affiliate programs that allow any keywords.

If you have outlined that you didn't accept PPC traffic it would be a different story all together. Fact is, you took my traffic and sales for several months before deciding to not pay me.

You are a thief. People can see that you owe me money and aren't paying. No matter how you try to spin it, you are wrong.

Dress it up however you'd like. Between cookie stuffing, carding, and bidding competitive terms, two are fraudulent and one isn't. His leads were IN NO WAY FRAUDULENT.

Putting together a keyword list, most marketers check the terms to see what keywords are disallowed. Places that don't want to have competition on their terms lay it out plain and clear, and if there is nothing specifically stated, it is free game in the PPC world.

If he was sending you junk signups, then it's understandable. this is your loss and your fault, and he spent his money promoting your program 100% legitimately.

Lets get this back to the top as well.

And for anyone promoting HowIGotRich sites, there is a list of alternative sites owned by reputable programs at PayMeDirtyD.com, that way you can send the same traffic and not have to worry about not getting paid.

Next show I go to I'll have some PayMeDirtyD.com shirts as well. This isn't going to end here. Unless of course Dirty D decides to make things right and pay me the money that I am owed.

I just have to ask this...

Why do you say "valid sales" ? What do you consider a valid sale? Is that according to your TOS or just what YOU consider to be a valid sale?

Is all this bullshit worth it to you?

If it was me, I would just pay the money, term the affiliate, and update my TOS.

It seems to me that you are going out of your way to prove yourself right when you are clearly wrong if it came done to a case of contractual law.

I just don't get it.

Unfortunately for Shoehorn, he has made some statements in this thread that would probably create some issues for him in a court case, but if you would have done this to me my lawyer would have already filed a suit and we would be meeting in court and I can assure you that you would be paying me at least 10x what you owed me at the minimum.

It's a shame that ego's have gotten in the way of a sensible business resolution. :2 cents:

Now they are leads? lol

wow

Actually, if you don't have clear terms, then technically you are responsible for paying on any sales that don't violate US law. Carding and cookie stuffing are two completely different animals, one being illegal and the other not.

Any attorney would tell you the same thing.

I recommend you consult with one ASAP and rewrite your TOS.. :2 cents:

Look into mainstream marketing sometime, you might learn something.

Whatever, one slip up. I promote CPA and work with leads as opposed to sales, it's slips out. You're the stunned fuck who doesn't seem to understand what a type-in is, so what grounds do you have to point fingers on? :1orglaugh

Yep, Tshirts have worked well for me too.

The show will be outside the 30 day $100 pps for your account though.

Actually when I see good spoonsors with $2000 threads that is today's bling bling. :thumbsup They'er still around.

This is why this is disturbing. I thought this was a fairly big prog yet many feel the only real explanation is sales are so bad and/or somehow the prog is failing.

I know you're trying to get under my skin, but you're only doing more damage to yourself.

Carding is by the law illegal no use to put that in your TOS.

Stop being a idiot, he at least sends the PPC to you, I never would have done that. I always send it to the competitor.

Taken from the previous page, it was near the bottom and might have been missed.

And I know he is hurting for sales. How do I know? Because he picked my sales out, looked where they were coming from, decided he didn't like PPC campaigns for whatever reason, and stopped paying me. Any affiliate program doing a substantial amount of sales a day wouldn't be watching ever little sale to see where they could rip off an affiliate. And if they found an affiliate doing something they didn't like, they would contact them and tell them to stop, not make up some bullshit about violating their TOS, when its been proven that there was no TOS regarding PPC traffic to begin with.

He is thinks he is doing some smart marketing, while he is actually killing his whole "empire".... These are the days you suppose to listen to Jenny.

Its not too late for him to pay me and move on. Instead he chooses to keep coming in here and making excuses. I really don't understand what he hopes to accomplish by keeping the money that is owed to me.

Yep, I had to borrow money to get some gas for momma's car.

I love PPC campaigns.

Funny how you can't read your own examples of bad marketing.

The Shady Shoehorn Marketing Award....

That has a nice ring to it :winkwink:

I supose that Crackwhores are not that cheap any more. It is all about the crisis these days.:helpme

So PPC is shady to you? Do you have any idea how Google got to be such a valuable company? Do you know how many companies have a person in house managing their PPC campaigns for them?

Of course you don't, otherwise I would already have my money.

Gloating about sales is usually not a good tactic, particularly in a thread in which you are already taking a beating, and especially with a site that has an Alexa ranking of 124,358 (and sinking - down 4% this week).

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=40...nfessions.com&

Hell, BVF (Black Vagina Finder) has an Alexa rank of 66,818. :helpme

I'm not a fan of some of your content, but we've met and I don't dislike you as a person (truth be told, I think you are quite knowledgeable about the biz, and you're fun to hang out with), but as a businessman, I would offer that you really need to pay Shoehorn up and put this all behind you.

ADG

you do realize that he was only making a couple sales a month doing this? But yet you claim now that he stopped and the traffic isn't being "siphoned" you are doing much better!!!! LOL good to know a small amount of hits and a couple sales a month to you = doing much better!!!!

congrats.

ouch 11 pages and still going. Even the IBill thread is getting burried compared to this.

Another question for you Dirty D, if you think that PPC is such a shady marketing technique, why do you think it is that several programs have posted here telling me to contact them about getting a PPC campaign going for one or more of their sites?

Yeah it don't look good. That is the first thing any affil thinks. BTW, class act providing sponsors.

It's not fully my place but in view of 14 pages now, would it be out of line if I asked someone (Dirty D) to shoot me some confidence as I wrote some good promos for HIGR and I don't like ever changing shit. :)

Shoot me some love and say, yes the prog is running fiiine.

fucking moron.... carders, cookie stuffing, and adware = google ppc to you? google ppc you think is fraud ???

What other stuff you have in your "make the TOS as we go" rules? Curious what shit you will come up with tomorrow to not pay people.

Robbie did, and that DOES say something. :1orglaugh

Just pay the guy, what is wrong with you?

526 posts about a broke dick program owner that needs to steal from his affiliates to stay afloat.

Don't promote howigotrich.com they steal from affiliates.

Don't promote howigotrich.com they steal from affiliates.

Lets get this going on every webmaster forum.

One more time?:winkwink:

Hi Will, are you planning on attending Internext?

Louder please

waiting for a sponsor that feels shame for what is going on here and will compensate. :pimp

Wow, you are thickheaded.. Please go take a PPC class before you embarrass yourself further..

PROFESSIONAL COMPANIES UNDERSTAND PPC AND IF THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE BIDDING ON CERTAIN TERMS, THEY WILL PUT IT IN THEIR TOS!

Do you not grasp that?

If you don't want your affiliates doing something, put it in your TOS.

Are you trying to make a point or are you just this DUMB?

If your TOS stated: YOU CAN NOT BID ON THESE TERMS there would be no issue here and everyone would be on your side...

Since you seem to want to use what other companies state in their TOS, some companies don't allow PPC marketing in their affiliate programs PERIOD.

So, are you going to stop payment on all your PPC affiliates because another company has this in their TOS?

Probably lots of affiliates getting paid fine, this is one case that just stands out as showing that the program has no problem making up the rules as they go.

I had to go through this shit with CommissionJunction in the spring. Suddenly they decided that my links were receiving a tiny amount of traffic from somewhere on myspace, and we're talking like under %.1. They reversed about $3k in payments on me that I was hanging a big loss on.

I emailed back and forth forever, and they made it perfectly clear they weren't paying me. Then asked me to keep sending traffic to their merchant. LIKE FUCK I'D SEND THEM ANY MORE TRAFFIC. I requested that they terminate my account.

Mysteriously a few weeks afterwards a check shows up from CJ. WTF?

I still ain't ever promoting CommissionJunction ever again. It burns because I occasionally see something CJ exclusive I really want to promote. Yet that fucking burn still keeps me far fucking away. You really think he cares to come back for another burning after you just lit him up once already?

This making up the rules as you go shit has got to be kept in check. Just because you're the one writing the check doesn't instantly give you the right to start fucking people "just cuz", when they've done nothing in the wrong...

The right thing to do is to pay the man for his work, rewrite the ToS, and put it behind you. No one is arguing that you can't put these rules out there if you want to. But if you didn't specifically state that this was against ToS, then nothing illegal has taken place, and the sales sent were 100% legit and qualified.

It's the way you've handled it that really leaves a bad taste with people... :2 cents:

Fuck, I even got paid in the end and I still am bitter and turned off of their program!

Still has paid?!?!?! Freakin amazing!

I hope someday to be an esteemed member of this "peanut gallery" i hear so much about.

I guess if being an affil like most of these guys, makes me a member, it's good to be a member.

I'll prob always chime in when I see the "backbone of the adult biz" the affil, large and small, grinding out sales fairly and not getting paid properly.

Thankfully I dont have to sit in the gallery too often. :)

no, according to some people here, you are a FAKE NICK unless you agree with Dirty D.. :2 cents:

Nope, still haven't been paid. Even offered to work out a payment plan with him.

From a site that doesn't allow PPC with their site names as keywords...

"The search terms "*****", "*******" are not to be used for generating traffic through PPC programs like Google AdWords or Yahoo. We may allow some PPC sites, please email us to be sure."

Two whole sentences and you wouldn't have been obligated to pay. But your missing those two, you owe him $477+!

he aint gonna pay you amigo, sucks

Oh no, lmao, this place get's funnier by the minute.

Yep, sure does. :)

Once a thief always a thief.

If he steals from me its important that other affiliates don't make the same mistake of promoting him, because he will eventually pull the same shit on them.

You should make a site just like his, fuck it, borrow his content, it's tubesday next week anything goes.

this thread is legendary. Won't end til DirtyD pays up.

If Dirty D comes out with a big new promo after all this, says "haha Shoehorn gets paid, publicity stunt, here's our 3 new sites" It will not be funny.

BTW I have 997 signups with HIGR this year and damn near got my 1000 and a million dollars.

I used a little ppc tho. Hope that won't be a prob. :)

I guarantee you this is no publicity stunt.

From your pov for sure. I read that earlier. Sorry bout that. But that would be about the only thing making sense from his pov.

Shoehorn for President of The Adult Affiliates Union. :thumbsup

lol and page 12 begins wow