Good point.

It doesn't seem like I am going to get my money, so asking it to be closed might not be a decision I have to make.

I can assure you of one thing, if I do get paid I will make sure it is announced.

What other companies allow does not have anything to do with it, If Shoehorn followed your posted rules then pay the man.:2 cents:

That is a pretty ignorant thing to say. The most profitable keywords are exact site names, do you think review sites are making their bank off stupid generic shitty converting key terms? Someone typing in "crackwhore confessions" is more then likely a BUYER, therefore running an ad for any relevant site is a great idea. "crackwhore sex", will have MUCH more traffic, but it will convert like shit and is a much better idea to try and obtain organically, for free. PPC for terms so shitty will almost guarantee you lose money. You really don't have any PPC experience huh?

I am not sure, perhaps Eric would like to come in here and say yes or no. I can tell you one thing though, I bet if its not allowed its clearly stated in their TOS.

And search the thread, theres been several programs that allow it. A few have even invited me to their program to specifically start PPC campaigns for them on the first page of the thread.

Regardless, this comes down to an issue of YOU NOT PAYING. You have nothing in your TOS about PPC traffic, AND YOU ACCEPTED MY TRAFFIC AND JOINS LONG AFTER YOU STOPPED PAYING ME, ALL WITHOUT WARNING. That is the issue here.

I think I'll take this opportunity to stop by for another sig placement.

Nice sig you have there

Jesus fuck, are you seriously this uneducated in your own field of business?

You keep on going back to the fraud/cheating defense. There is no fraud here, no cheating. Again nice and slow for you DD, because you can't seem to get the simple fact through your head. NO FRAUD OR CHEATING HAS OCCURRED HERE. The only fraud taking place is your denial of payment.

Reread the above paragraph nice and slow and try and let that settle in. Just because you disagree with it, does not make it fraudulent or grounds for denial of payment.

Now, you are completely in the right to change your ToS at any time, notify your affiliates, and instate your rule regarding PPC and TM keyword bidding. It will never happen again, but you still pay the guy! He has done nothing wrong or fraudulent aside from opening your eyes to something you overlooked in your ignorance.

You clearly have little knowledge or experience in the PPC field. At least outside maybe promoting your own shit. hell, I'm way down at the bottom of the PPC amateur pile and even I recognize that what is and isn't allowed regarding PPC promotion needs to be outlined in the terms...

This is like making no mention whatsoever regarding mailing in your ToS, the terminating some doing email promotion and screaming fraud. Even if they were mailing in compliance. They have done nothing wrong. You overlooked mentioning a legitimate means of driving sales which you disagreed with, and that is YOUR PROBLEM. Not that of the person who was payign to send you traffic.

PAY UP...

You aren't getting paid. I'd wager anything.

D is settled on his decision and is gonna ride this out best he can without paying. He clearly has the mindset that he can't allow himself to be publicly strongarmed by an affiliate, even though he is way off base.

It is a stupid fucking move on his part. He either sees it and views it as too far gone to cave in now. Or honest to god believes this is fraudulent of you and doesn't know near as much as he'd like to think he does... :2 cents:

Just stopping by to see if Shoehorn got paid yet.... And to bump this again

Or can't pay.

I am still willing to work with him though, even if that means getting paid in payments over time.

i bet this thread alone has cost him 10x what it would have cost to pay off the orig op

Not to fuel the fire on this or anything, but if you type Crackwhore Confessions into google the third result is crackwhoreconfessions.dk which are also an HIGR Affiliate. Now surely this is way worse then the PPC thing for what is fundamentally 2/3 generic words and could never actually be trademarked.

So where does the crackwhoreconfessions.dk site stand on being paid out as they still seem to be active?

Just want to be clear on this Robbie, are you refering to me in your post above, the clown remark?

Riddle me this then. If the surfer searched "crackwhore confessions" or "crackwhoreconfessions.com" why did they click Shoe's link then and not the first place ranking in the SERPs?

You're damn fucking right that the text used drew attention. He pulled the click from the sponsored inks, over a first place Google ranking. Somethign they saw enticed the click on his link via the text he used.

Anyone who has fucked with paid traffic to any extent understands what CTR is and how different text/creatives can and will draw clicks at a different rate. Writing good sales text is AN ART.

Knowing everyone involved, I would have to think D is getting some enjoyment and laughs out of this thread...he can't actually think he's in the right on this, can he? :2 cents:

Changes to Terms of Service are NOT Retroactive.

Some people are delusional. :disgust

No, thank God I've always had my own traffic. But if YOU think the keyword "crackwhore confessions" will convert better for a site that isn't CrackwhoreConfessions.com vs. finding a keyword that would convert better for another site (which is what I really said)...in other words I believe that "crackwhore sex" would ABSOLUTELY convert better than "crackwhore confessions" for BVF's site. But what do I know? In my ignorance of how to move traffic and target keywords.

Of course the term "crackwhore confessions" is going to be the absolute BEST term for the website CrackwhoreConfessions.Com THAT is the whole point from Dirty D's side. He already has the top spot for that. I'm not sure you are following what I'm saying before using words like "ignorant"

Way to go, you just got another affiliate shitcanned... :1orglaugh

Goddamnit Warren. NO. Jesus. Please don't talk to me anymore. Please. Or else do it in person and stop stalking me.

Actually Jesus is Warren's backup driver :winkwink:

Cough* I like to do my bit, I thought if I get some more people screwed Shoehorn can recruit for an army?

Better send them an apology email or something, fruit basket maybe. . .

Drugs will do that to a person. :2 cents:

I bet it would convert fine....

CrackwhoreConfessions.com A SCAM?
Don't get ripped off by the fakers. Come see real ghetto whores today.
http://www.blackvaginafinder.com

That has a nice ring to it. :thumbsup

You can park like no other! miss you brother. I'm going to call you next week for no reason.

hey an idea, do you want to go halfs with me on this debt. we can give shoehorn, like $100 and split the rest.

Don't forget the pomegranate....

I have no idea who shoehorn is, maybe he stepped on my foot while I was vacationing in Hawaii last April...but the guy is standing up for all affiliates.

Since I am not very experienced in this biz...it would be discouraging if this happened to me.

I'm not sure you can do that IF the site is trademarked. At least that's the way I read Googles trademark policy.
From Google:
In the U.S., we allow some ads to show with a trademark in ad text if the ad is from a reseller or from an informational site. However, if our investigation finds that the advertiser is using the trademark in the ad text in a manner which is competitive, critical, or negative, we will require the advertiser to remove the trademark and prevent them from using it in similar ad text in the future. Learn more about our U.S. trademark policy.

But again, I'm no Google expert. Maybe he could?

Amazing..

(imho) you have to ask yourself: WHY does HiGR act like this? ..is it because they can't retain their members? ..Imagine HiGR got the #1 spot on google and they get a signup - they get some bucks but after a month, the user cancels his subscription.. they still make some money.

Now imagine some affiliate of HiGR using PPC gets the prominent spot and they pay him like $30 per signup and the user cancels his subscription after a month.. they make next to nothing.

What are your experiences with HiGR - how many rebills do you get on average?

The other thing is:
1) there are TOS for a reason - if the affiliate didn't act against them, then by all means - pay the man.

[QUOTE=Robbie;16618881]Goddamnit Warren. NO. Jesus. Please don't talk to me anymore. Please. Or else do it in person and stop stalking me.[/QUOT




Stalking you, are you paranoid or what? you will see me again in person soon. thank you, I now have reason to come up to you. Robbie you're out of your league. stop thinking money will save you. talk to me me like an idiot and I will treat you as one in person and in front of your internet peers, not a problem for me.

Now please mind your own business and leave this alone, you only make yourself sound shady, this stunt is not cool and you know it.

Which pretty much reads to me as "We will make you change or pull the ad if we get a complaint" . So fuck him, run the ad. What's he gonna do, hold your payment? LOL.

When the time comes switch it up and withdraw the TM.

Don't be fooled by the posers
The only site with real crackhead whores online! The original...
http://www.blackvaginafinder.com

It's meant to be a slap in the face, nothing more. Shoe knows whathe's doing, and one way or the other will make it stick...

My thought would be that most people who sign up for the site are doing it more out of curiosity than sex appeal, and that retention would be less than your average site. I was given a pass years ago because I wanted to check it out, just to see what the videos were like. I logged in once and I think I scrolled through parts of 3 videos and never logged in again.

Hey Shoe, do you want to sell the debt? remember something is better than nothing, let me know.

[QUOTE=Warren;16618924]Then WHY do you keep doing this? I don't know you. And you should take your own advice and mind your own business. And leave me the FUCK alone.

And "money will save me" From what? You? I don't need money or anything else thanks. I can handle any situation on my own.

[QUOTE=Robbie;16618974]You dont know Warren?

Thats damn near like saying, I dont know who this Juicy guy is...

Warren is a good guy. Really fun and funny guy.

Though I know I wouldnt want him to be mad at me or my enemy. Not saying you did or do want that... I think he is irritated though......

Im not referring to violence either... But i do believe Warren is very outspoken and not ashamed of a scene..

always spamming your sig everywhere :1orglaugh

Robbie looks like a pouting Dr Evil with a hair transplant.

Added to ignore list.

Bump.

[QUOTE=Deej;16618995]I don't know him. And I never insulted him in this thread either. Though he has insulted me several times. He says we met in L.A., okay. I didn't remember it. I was having a good time. Why would this guy be irritated with me? I haven't said one word bad to him or about him.. I have no beef with anybody. But I'm not gonna be bullied by anybody either. And that's how I'm being made to feel. Well, I'm a big boy. I've basically just been told that "my money won't save me" I don't know how to take that. So I'm gonna take it the way it sounds. I have no idea why, but I won't be fucked with by anybody.

I don't think he's reading anyone's post. He's broke and he's wrong so he just keeps bringing up the same argument over and over again

LMAO, well that's just mean.

Interested in your ideas, just ICQd you.

He shaved his head the other day lol. When will I see you next?

Cool man, one sec, I will fire it up and respond.

No worries, I'll be here.

[QUOTE=Deej;16618995]it's cool brother, as my mom would say, "this guy is not playing with the full deck" fuck him, he annoys the shit out of me. kinda looks like Tom Jones too.

[QUOTE=Warren;16619056]No need to bring Tom Jones into this, the man has a lot of hits. :)

Got no message from you, chatting with friends on icq, atm, so its working.

This is fucked up, fucked up. It should be obvious (to DirtyD), but it's not....

Hmm, says its waiting on authorization. Try adding me - 72458277.