200

dirty d's being dirt cheap.

this is great, HOWIGOTFUCKED.COM

unfuckingreal

:1orglaugh Love that graphic.

I agree w/ Porn MD. It's not stated in the terms. Shoehorn saw some low hanging fruit and he grabbed it. He's spending his own money on the PPC campaigns, so to decide to stop paying him out on it with no warning or discussion is a little harsh and leaving him holding the bag.

We're not talking about someone in Nigeria running a bunch of BS cards through socks, we're talking about Shoehorn- he's not a scam artist and he wasn't trying to rip anyone off. You guys are both pretty straight up, I hope you can work it out. :thumbsup

Exactly. I ran a PPC campaign and was paid for 3 months, then one day he stopped paying me and I had to contact HIM to find out why I was no longer getting paid the money I was owed.

My campaign ran for 3 whole months without him saying a word, giving me a warning, nothing. Then he decided I was breaking a rule that never existed in his TOS and that he wouldn't pay me the money I had earned.

i'll add to my previous post, if someone fucks with you snipe at all their kws + domain with a targeted campaign based on the density of their site. contact closest competitor and cut a deal to submit all your traffic to them

:pimp

Dirty D = marketing genius? (not!)

Since you're not smart enough to implement it yourself you should be happy you have (had) an affiliate smart enough to actually market your crap.

LOOK, LEARN, PAY Shoehorn!
Pay Shoehorn his well earned aff commissions plus $2000-$3000 marketing consulting fees.

Oh no wait, just go jackoff in your local movie theater, that should boost sales!

keeping this at the top

This is laughable. Shoehorn and Dirty D have a legitimate beef. I like both of them.

But I keep reading all these people saying things like that quote.

HOW IN THE FUCK IS BUYING A GOOGLE AD WORD FOR THE DOMAIN NAME = "marketing"

Do any of you actually own a site that sends traffic? Or do any of you understand that marketing is all about bringing new eyes to the site? Jesus fucking Christ.

So you all think that it's some kind of skill to just buy adwords for website names? That is NOT SEO work.

This isn't a slap at you Shoehorn or any taking of sides. I'm just reading the fucking peanut gallery on here running off at the fucking mouth when they don't even understand what the hell they are talking about. All of you should just shut the fuck up and stop showing your goddamn ignorance.

Bunch of fucking idiots.

And so how does your post relate to him not getting his money?

I know you like to get into pissing matches with people, but no one here is playing favorites or taking sides. Obviously 5 pages of everyone saying the same thing has to tell you something. And it has nothing to do with anyones knowledge of SEO or marketing, it is principle. I am owed money and haven't been paid. I was paid for 3 months and then the payouts stopped, and I had to contact him to find out where my payments were.

He never warned me in anyway that he didn't accept PPC traffic. He never told me to stop bidding on keywords, nothing. He let me continue to send traffic and told me I was violating his terms (which didn't exist) when I contacted him, meanwhile letting me continue to send him sales.

This is a matter of Dirty D not paying his affiliates for sales they earned, plain and simple.

pay up, pay up, dirty boy

I recommend you start a PPV campaign and pop competitors sites over top his sites. :1orglaugh

lets keep this up top

No shit! WTF Robbie?!?!

Youre just interjecting with something contradictory or what? I mean there is one simple outcome/answer/resolution here... no one said it was master SEO work. It was said in detail how it was done and no one once claimed it to be superior SEO... that phrase may have been mentioned but only in other instances... not this one at hand.

Point being is he sent sales... they were accepted and paid on. Then all the sudden D notices how they are coming in. now reguardless of its accepted or not, it wasnt in his TOS and he never did tell shoehorn to stop sending it. Thus still sending sales to DirtyD. He knew what he was doing. He was hoping to benefit from shoehorn's PPC sales as l0ong as he could before shoehorn got bent our of shape(rightfully so) and said something about it. Now its public that DirtyD dosnt take such traffic.

He took it at first then kept taking it but stopped paying on it without notifying a business partner of how he feels. Just kept taking those sales.... although he dosnt accept sales like that :disgust

Not arguing any side. Just reading the morons who are chiming in about "SEO" and "marketing" It shows right away who has any knowledge and who doesn't. As far as the actual dispute you have with him...that is between you two. My remarks are directed at the fucking idiots in here speaking with NO knowledge. I've never seen such uneducated babble in my fucking life. I would call them surfers...but a surfer would know more about marketing than any of these clowns.

Honestly Shoehorn...this whole thing doesn't look good EITHER way. You're out of $350 right? And the concensus seems to be that it's such a small amount that Dirty D should just pay you and then it's all good.

Well, if it's such a small amount...and you know that buying the domain name as an adword ain't exactly kosher...then why not work something out with him? In this day and age of piracy if you can find ANY paysite that you can get sales with...why cut your own throat with them?

Fuck. I'm looking at around 400 different programs I promote...the ratios are HORRENDOUS.

Dirty D offered you $100 PPS for a solid month if you would only send sales some other way than buying his domain name as an adword.

So if you really think you can promote something and really send new sales that he wouldn't already have...then why don't you just do it and make a HUGE payday?

This is a two way street. And you should be able to see his side too.

Or you can come to GFY and post it and pretty much close off that relationship forever. And with the way things are these days? It's not a good idea for us affiliates to be taking a dump on programs.

I don't care what the uninformed on here have to say about sending traffic elsewhere. Number 1, that isn't your traffic. It's Google traffic that you bought. Number 2, there just aren't that many paysites converting anymore.

I know you're pissed off...but if I may give a dissenting point of view here: You can turn this into something good. And that's from me. Or, you can listen to all the guys on here who don't make much money in this business and never will.

If it were me, I'd rather work with Dirty D. He's been around a long time. And he's very smart about making money in porn. I'd take him up on that 100 PPS offer and test my skills as an affiliate and see what I could make of it.

These people on GFY are just here having fun. They don't give a damn about you and they don't have a clue.

i think i can make some bank off clodia marie.

And make profit? Yes, it does take skill to make that happen. Having the key word does not bring in magical sales fairies. The end-user still has to buy.

Type-in any site name at Google and the result will list 10 regular links, along with sponsored links and also sidebar links. That's an awful lot of real estate to lose someone on. If they don't click one link, they'll click another.

If I can have five out of 15 links going to my site, affiliate or not, and not going to torrents... that's not too bad. Much better than zero out of 15.

No, they DO say that over and over and over. Including the stupid quote I put in my post. That guy called DIRTY D stupid and said HE didn't understand marketing. And then went on to claim that Dirty D should pay Shoehorn a 2 to 3,000 dollar consulting fee.

Maybe we aren't reading the same threads here or something. But I'm seeing people being vitriolic and smart asses and talking about "hard working affiliates"

I AM a hard working affiliate. And I don't buy a fucking ad word. That isn't work. That isn't marketing.

And that is what I was addressing. All the idiots on here running down a man's business with their goddamn ignorance.

Whether or not Dirty D is going to pay ShoeHorn is up to them. I have no opinion on that. I just don't like seeing a person's business being beat up by a bunch of no-nothing people.

If I were ShoeHorn I'd take him up on that $100 PPS for a month offer and work my ass off to bankrupt Dirty D with all the sales I'd send. But again, that's between the two of them.

I just did a search for "Her First Anal Sex" and lo and behold... what do I find on the right-hand advertising bar? A link that goes to a cam site.

Yes you can.

This is my last response to you because it is clearly a waste of my time and everyone elses, since you either have no comprehension of what is being argued here or you're posting purely to stir shit.

Last time, pay attention please. I was sending him sales via PPC campaigns AND GETTING PAID ON THOSE SALES for 3 months. All was fine. Suddenly the payouts stopped. Do you understand so far? I didn't get an email from him, or an ICQ, or a phone call, nothing. I just stopped getting paid, WHILE HE KEPT ACCEPTING MY SALES. When I contacted him he said "oh, you're bidding on our keywords, we aren't going to pay you".

There was no TOS about this. There was no warning. There was nothing, he just decided to stop paying me, but continued accepting my traffic and sales.

Thats what this thread is about. Not about SEO. Not about marketing. Its 100% about him not paying me the money that he owes me.

Everyone else in this thread can comprehend that, not sure why you and Dirty D are having so much trouble.

Completely untargeted.

If I'm a surfer and I wanted to find your site and I typed Her First Anal Sex into Google...I would not be satisfied until I clicked a link that took me there.
I'm not gonna be happy going to some cam site.

Would you?

And if that first link isn't yours and really is an affiliates...then you need to get to work on the SEO on that site and regain that spot. It's VERY valuable.

This same thing just happened to me a couple of weeks ago. I was bidding on long tail keywords, with the sites name in it. They argued it was in their TOS that I couldn't bid on their exact name, well I wasn't really, there were several words around it and it was set to exact match. They argued with me, paid me and told me not to do it again.

So I now sent that exact traffic somewhere else. That's 5 sales a day from one key phrase, someone else is now getting. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out they screwed up!

Why is it so hard for programs to understand how this game works! I really think they have no clue about how ppl search!

And this is what should happen in my case. He doesn't want me to send sales via PPC, fine, pay me what I am owed and we can both go our separate ways.

But to just stop paying someone without warning or without letting them know, all while still accepting their traffic and sales is 100% wrong.

Man I don't know about you but when I'm ready to beat off I have something in mind of what I want... but it strays quickly. Something else comes in that looks better? My dick is hand and spooge is flying!

Already moved the entire campaign over to another program and just waiting on approval. :)

All this bullshit aside...

Do you not think that its DirtyD's obligation to pay Shoehorn? Yes or no... not some drawn out "they should work something out" reply...

SHoehorn sent sales. DirtyD accepted them. D later found out how they were coming in. realized he dosnt like that tactic, or rather shouldnt pay someone for that form of traffic. Shouldnt he then tell shoehorn tostop? Or since he still took the sales and converted the members.... dont you think he should get paid for that? Its not in the contractual binding agreement between the two.

Answer yes or no...

Should Shoehorn be paid?

so robbie, what do paint chips taste like?

Amazing, not only is Dirty D not getting traffic for his keywords, but now his competition is getting sales for key words...

D, was it worth it? Do you think you made the right decision? Seriously, think about it. Perhaps ask some friends on what they think...

all this thread needs is gideon gallery telling dirty d why he should pay shoehorn using vcr analogies.

Pay the man, update your terms then everyone is happy :)

That would be the wise thing to do.

Its not too late to do the right thing Dirty D. :2 cents:

I agree 100%!

The program I was dealing with at least contacted me and let me know, you can't just stop paying and expect ppl to be happy.

Most companies don't realize what these campaigns can cost a person. This one in particular could have bankrupted me if they hadn't contacted me and just decided not to pay, a week, a month, 3 months later. So the company is stand up they just don't have a clue otherwise.

I would have in the beginning and wrote him too and told him never again.

But that didn't happen and a compromise offer of a month of $100 PPS was put on the table. That was refused.

So perhaps Shoehorn shouldn't have bought the domain name on adwords to begin with. And then perhaps Dirty D shouldn't have gotten so pissed about it and contacted him and paid him up to current and shut him down.

But I can't tell Dirty D what to do. After all this bullshit on here...I doubt Dirty D is gonna pay, though I could be wrong. My guess is Dirty D won't lose a single serious affiliate one way or another. Hell, there aren't a handful of them left now. If a site is making sales, nobody smart is going to walk away from it and promote a site that isn't making sales. These are tough times.

:2 cents:

It is so silly, a affiliate buying your keywords is cheaper for a program then let them send the traffic to the competition and the need to bid higher and start a pissing game.

Send it to the competition Shoehorn, they will be more then happy with it. Only thing Dirty can do is bid against it and loosing even more money.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

I wonder if you'd get actually paid promoting this offer...

I wouldn't mind hearing more about God and camgirls.com

That may be true to some extent...but those people could just as easily hit the tube sites for that. If a person types in a specific domain name then they are on a quest. And that is gold. That is a sale waiting to happen. And it won't be satisfied until they get what they want. Now yeah, if they just typed in "anal" okay. Any anal would do. But to type in "Her First Anal" Well, they have intentions of buying a membership to one of your kickass sites. Second best won't do for that person. :)

your last paragraph contradicts itself... in this day and age that you say affiliates are slim to nil... any one sending sales is a serious affiliate.

and offering another pps has nothing to do with shoehorn beind owed money, he should get his money and D can offer that pps or not.

It wasnt in the TOS... plain and simple... kept taking sales... same thing as shaving...

Of course not.

Theres no way I (or any other sane person for that matter) would put more time and effort into promoting a program that already owes them money and isn't paying.

I think Shoehorn could absolutely send some of those keywords traffic to other sites like BVF's. But the one thing: CrackWhore Confessions
I don't know.

I think if someone typed those three words they are looking for THAT site and that site only. Dirty D has done a helluva job of making CrackWhore Confessions a world famous site.

I could be wrong about it...but I think sending an adword campaign for the term "Crackwhore Confessions" anywhere except the actual site would end up being a money loser. It's just too targeted.

When someone searches for the terms in a domain name, he is presented with thousands of links to check out. The site in question is one of them, but so are torrent sites, tubes, gallery listings, filesharing forums, etc.

Unlike se listings, using adwords gives you full control over how exactly the link will look - creating the opportunity to not only increase chances of a click going to the site in question rather than a tube or torrent site, but also possibly enticing the user to consider joining the site instead of continuing to search for free stuff.

Compare it to a billboard right in front of the store it advertises. Everyone who passes it should notice the store as well, and yet it is likely to still bring in additional customers.

Exactly.

And any affiliate that continues to send him traffic should think twice before doing so. Its my $350 he stole this time, next time it might be a bigger fish.

1. Not neccessarily.

2. Yes, it wasn't in the TOS. Not sure when Dirty D realized what was going on, I'm no mind reader. In my opinion he was probably pissed off as hell that he had ever paid out money on an adword of his domain and acted irrationally. But I don't know that. Just a guess.

3. This whole thing sucks from the beginning to the end.

4. To all the programs I promote: I own sites and work hard as an affiliate to bring people to your site that may have never heard of you before. I'm a promoter and an affiliate. That's my job.

http://www.realcrackhoes.com/webmasters.htm make some cash

I agree. Only Dirty D said that every sale was from the DOMAIN NAME. Not a keyword containing the name or another version of the name or a related word. But the actual domain name.

That's a different animal all together.

That's a good one! :thumbsup