Someone explain this peace treaty in the Ukraine
 

Seems to me like Ukraine just gave up a large portion of it's territory...

Under the deal, Ukrainian forces are required to pull back from the "actual" line of contact, meaning that rebels will be allowed to keep the 500 square miles of territory they've gained in tough fighting over the past month. It's not clear what should happen in the "Debaltseve bulge," where rebels have reportedly surrounded a Ukrainian army of 6,000 and appear unlikely to relinquish that advantage.

Kiev, rebels sign cease-fire, but Ukraine's path to peace remains steep - CSMonitor.com

It's just like the other ones.. They didn't give up sovereign land but allowing the rebels to "hold" parts of the country. Not like they are signing it over to Russia, just agreeing to allow Rebels to stay in certain areas.

Nothing will change, it's just more BS to pretend something positive is happening. They will still be fighting and are fighting at this very moment. There are also reports that while Putin was talking peace, that yet another armed convoy of 50 tanks & missile launchers rolled across the boarder.

Ukraine: 50 Russian tanks and 40 missile systems rolled into the country while Putin talked peace - Business Insider

It's pretty obvious no peace agreement involving Putin can be trusted. I honestly don't know why they even bothered, just more time for Russia to arm the rebels and secure up areas with more troops. Every peace talk has ended with Russian Rebels going for more territory.

Obviously Ukraine is at the disadvantage here as no one is supplying them with any weapons.. Unlike the Rebels are getting.. Which you know damn well "rebel" = Russian soldiers.

Its just give time to regroup forces and make better defensive positions

As you can see Ukrainaian forces are surrouned by Pro-Russian rebels.

http://cs7061.vk.me/c7008/v7008466/1...REj9dLfsOE.jpg

It seems to me they did give up their land. If the rebels "hold parts of the country" they've given up their land. Another report I read this morning talked about setting up an "autonomous region" of Eastern Ukraine and that it will "favor trade with Russia". In other words, a puppet state that isn't controlled by Kiev.

They just surrendered a portion of their country.

it's not a peace treaty, it's a cease fire.

i.e., 15 minute timeout

So it's a crease fire that gave up a portion of their country? Fucking brilliant.

as i understand it, the Ukrainian side has no chance of winning. there are 2 more days of fighting allowed, the russian side will grab more territory too.

To sum up, the Ukraine is fucked...

Another cease-fire. Rebels probably load up new rockets, stockpile some artillery ammo, get new tanks from Russia, and the war continues.

There is no peace, this is cease-fire. And officially even the last cease-fire is still going on.

Pretty much that's what it seems like....

They didn't give up anything.. They just agreed those are the battle lines for the cease fire.. Just like they did with the last cease fire.

In the original peace deal, Ukraine agreed to allow the Rebels to control those sections of land under their own police forces ect..ect.. It was still however part of Ukraine.. That wasn't good enough and the Rebels started invading more land.. ie obviously Russia pulling the strings.

It is Ukraine, not The Ukraine...

Can't we just get that filthy world war III going, so I can go back to bed?!

yes the ukrainians gave up a large portion of their territory to.. ukrainians!

have no fear, this cease fire will end up like the last ceasefire:

First Day After Minsk Agreement: Kiev Forces Resume Shelling of Donbas / Sputnik International

Ten people, including small children, were killed and scores injured in Ukraine?s war-ravaged Donbas region early Friday as Ukrainian artillery resumed its shelling of areas in and around Donetsk and Luhansk.

go team.

*facepalm* Those territories never wanted to join Russia. They wanted to be independent. They call in "Novorossia". Educate yourself.

Indeed. Those rebels don't want to join Russia, and as far as I know, Russia is not going to let them in (we already have the enormous territory which in fact makes a lot of problems to us). They want their own country or at least an autonomy with its own budget etc.

Wrong. It is "the Ukraine" (in English: "the Outskirts"). Just like the Netherlands or the USA.

i was under the impression they wanted federalization to begin with, and the independence idea only came up after the western side rolled tanks in to take over the local government.

its funny the OP is talking about 'trade ties' between this region and russia, since the entire country trades and basically depends on russian trade

It would be great if they became a country of their own; the more little countries the better. These days boutique countries do really well. It leads to more fluid banking, more exciting investment, better product focus. Russia is a good example, some oblasts view the central government as a far away planet. In Krasnodar Krai which contains Sochi, a friend of mine told me they have a hard time even getting direction from Moscow. USA, Canada and Brasil are a little different because they're all new world countries with less entrenched differences.

Putin will go about his business the same as he has been. That's the kind of behavior you can expect from a sociopath. They'll piss in your face and tell you it's raining.

Here, in the Canada, we look at :

You can facepalm all you want and believe your Ruski propaganda, but we have already seen Russia take over sections of Ukraine by force and have gunmen at the polling booths making sure people voted like good little commies.

в украине или на украине ? :winkwink:

i corrected it for you :winkwink:

I believe the video posted by directfiesta above, describes you very well :thumbsup

"На" of course :pimp

Why Ukraine Isn't 'The Ukraine,' And Why That Matters Now - Business Insider

The Ukraine

"When the region formerly known as ?The Ukraine? split off from the old Soviet Union, it declared its preference for dropping the article, and the country is now properly called simply ?Ukraine.? "

Wow :1orglaugh

wow what? surprised by your lack of knowledge? :winkwink:

maybe in Russian English it's still "the Ukraine", everywhere else in the world correct form is "Ukraine"....

Who said that? Business Insider? :1orglaugh

Paul Brians - Emeritus Professor of English - Washington State University

Paul Brians
The Ukraine

So what will happen if some John Doe - Acting Professor of English from Colorado/Mississippi/Alaska State University say "the Ukraine"? Will it change your language again? Do those professors have some power points to overcome each other? Just curious :winkwink:

Do you honestly believe that?

This is really few hundred "separatists" being supported by thousands of Russian troops with their tanks and missile launchers. Russia is encouraging all of this, and Russia the cause of all of this. If the Ukrainian government decides it wants less ties with Russia and more ties with Europe, so be it. If a small portion of the population doesn't agree with it, then fucking leave and go back to Russia.

no idea what you are talking about... "Ukraine" is the correct form, so I highly doubt some other English professor would claim that "the Ukraine" is actually the correct form, as that would be incorrect...

just like no English professor would ever mix up "then" and "than"... not sure why you are creating confusion/ambiguity, when there is none...

no idea what you are talking about... "Ukraine" is the correct form, not because some professor said so, but it just is...

so I highly doubt some other English professor would claim that "the Ukraine" is the correct form, as that would be incorrect...

just like no English professor would ever mix up "then" and "than"... not sure why you are creating confusion/ambiguity, when there is none...

You have only one English professor in the USA? What's about others? I really hope you have at least a couple of them :winkwink:

Wrong info. In fact there are millions of Russian troops on war bears fighting for the separatists on the Ukraine. Here is the proof (pics made by US spy satellites and provided to us by CIA):

http://svyatorus.com/uploads/posts/2...49a00_prev.jpg

http://www.dahr.ru/barbar/albums/use...10001/bear.png

http://lurkmore.so/images/thumb/9/9a...IZAN_small.jpg

This is a 100% confident information, approved by Colin Powell :thumbsup

P.S. How many buddies you have on Donbass? I have a few (all webmasters). So I'm getting all the information from them directly. I do not watch Russian propaganda, Ukrainian propaganda and Western (US) propaganda too. I don't watch TV news at all for years. When I'm criticize Putin (you know I hate him as a person) on Russian-speaking boards, the Eastern Ukrainians are first ones to call me "Obama sucker" and "betrayer". How come?

this is pointless... I could find 10 different sources proving that it's "Ukraine", but why bother? to you it will always be "the Ukraine"... and as proof, you will offer some map from the 18th century... :1orglaugh

Sure, sure :1orglaugh Your professor is not really smart, because I bet he won't be able to explain why we have to say: "the Netherlands" (personally I know why and the same rule applies to the Ukraine for the same reason) :winkwink:

Russia IS Europe. More than 40% of European territory belongs to Russia. There is no other country on our planet which has got a bigger share of the European continent. Did I tell you the US education sucks? :winkwink:

in case anyone still doubts that - even though even Putin admitted they sent troops:

https://translate.google.com/transla...931&edit-text=

Original: Wie die Krim annektiert wurde: «Wir haben sie zur Abstimmung getrieben» - International Nachrichten - NZZ.ch

And even a presidential russian committee admits the Crimea referendum was forged:
http://old.president-sovet.ru/struct...ma.php?print=Y

https://translate.google.com/transla...089&edit-text=

Original: Kritik von unerwarteter Seite: Krim-Referendum stark gefälscht - Nachrichten - NZZ.ch


and this about "free" press in Russia (Google translate)


From the original RUSSIAN document:

In Crimea about 30-50% of the entitled population went to vote - about 50-60% of them voted to join Russia

so that makes in the worst case 15% and in the best case like 30% that voted yes - officially it was 97% that voted yes from 83% that went

once again - russian numbers, not western propaganda

that is all so laughable that I don't even know where to start

Start here:



:winkwink:

What i like about Russians like CyberSEO over here is that they believe Russia is the center of the Universe and if you ask them more it's actually Ukraine that wanted to invade Russia and they are just defending it. Most probably Russia will take another long-term loss like it always did and it's Economy will be down even more like it always have been.

*face palm*

are you seriously implying that you (someone with a very limited grasp of the English language) are more familiar with correct usage of English than a professor who spent his entire career studying every intricate detail of that language? a guy who happens to publish a book about common mistakes people make and even used "Ukraine" as one of the examples? You don't think he put a lot of thought into it, asked his peers to make sure he is indeed correct? but yea, CyberSEO says it's "the Ukraine" so it must be so... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh