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TheSwed · 12-08-2010, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

thats your opinion ... if wikileaks is not illegal then why is the guy that has stolen all the information from government computers been arrested ? and is facing life in jail ?

so let me get this right , person A steals something give it to person B , then person B knowing that the material is stolen passes it on

and that is ok ?

so if I have a paysite, person A rips all my movies, gives it to person B then person B makes a full site with my material

that is ok ? Person B did not steal anything and thus his site is legal ??

not only my opinion

Deputy Chief Command · 12-08-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSwed

not only my opinion

it is your opinion, one you maybe share with many people, but it still is just that , an opinion

same as piratebay peeps have an opinion, their opinion is that stealing full lenght movies is ok

webair · 12-08-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nurgle

their own site doesnt load lol

irrelevant ...

baddog · 12-08-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSwed

not only my opinion

Well, let's start with your opinion. How did you arrive at the conclusion that accepting stolen property was not a crime?

TheSwed · 12-08-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

it is your opinion, one you maybe share with many people, but it still is just that , an opinion

same as piratebay peeps have an opinion, their opinion is that stealing full lenght movies is ok

it's about free press

minicivan · 12-08-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSwed

it's about free press

So how about we steal your personal diary that contains your most intimate and personal thoughts and post it online in the interest of "free press". Then we post your personal information, a full biography of everything you thought was personal and private about your life. Then, your families information, your tax records, your medical records, your families medical records and so on????

According to people like you, there are no boundaries and should be no boundaries. Its about "free press" (whatever that means)

TheSwed · 12-08-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Well, let's start with your opinion. How did you arrive at the conclusion that accepting stolen property was not a crime?

no proberty are stolen..it's information

Sly · 12-08-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSwed

it's about free press

Many courts have ruled that Free Press doesn't necessarily pertain to information found through illegal means.

The great Sarah Palin just won such a case.

Deputy Chief Command · 12-08-2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by minicivan

So how about we steal your personal diary that contains your most intimate and personal thoughts and post it online in the interest of "free press". Then we post your personal information, a full biography of everything you thought was personal and private about your life. Then, your families information, your tax records, your medical records, your families medical records and so on????

According to people like you, there are no boundaries and should be no boundaries. Its about "free press" (whatever that means)

hahaha, that about sums it up !

BlackCrayon · 12-08-2010, 10:00 AM

i guess they'll feel pretty stupid when they realize what wikileaks posts is what the government lets them post. lots of other shit that never made it out...

Sly · 12-08-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSwed

no proberty are stolen..it's information

Just information?

What do you think would happen if somebody stole the source code to any number of popular software packages? It's just information. It's text on a document.

Books are just information. Newspapers are just information. Thousands of pages of research behind patents are just information. Formulas for medicine are just information.

BlackCrayon · 12-08-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by minicivan

So how about we steal your personal diary that contains your most intimate and personal thoughts and post it online in the interest of "free press". Then we post your personal information, a full biography of everything you thought was personal and private about your life. Then, your families information, your tax records, your medical records, your families medical records and so on????

According to people like you, there are no boundaries and should be no boundaries. Its about "free press" (whatever that means)

thats not even comparable. tax dollars pays for the people who are saying these things.

Phoenix · 12-08-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by minicivan

So how about we steal your personal diary that contains your most intimate and personal thoughts and post it online in the interest of "free press". Then we post your personal information, a full biography of everything you thought was personal and private about your life. Then, your families information, your tax records, your medical records, your families medical records and so on????

According to people like you, there are no boundaries and should be no boundaries. Its about "free press" (whatever that means)

i agree with you...however

the information that needs to get out affects everyone...so it isnt just personal info that no one needs to see...its the underhanded back room deals to control the populice through debt that needs to be brought to light

DamianJ · 12-08-2010, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

why is the guy that has stolen all the information from government computers been arrested ? and is facing life in jail ?

Certainly not because a few governments didn't like to me made to look like the cunts they are so they collaborated and are shutting him down.

Oh no.

That would never happen.

vsex · 12-08-2010, 10:04 AM

They went after Mastercard.com instead. it's down now.

Sly · 12-08-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

i agree with you...however

the information that needs to get out affects everyone...so it isnt just personal info that no one needs to see...its the underhanded back room deals to control the populice through debt that needs to be brought to light

Possibly so. Why aren't we seeing any of that information yet? So far we hear about Saudi Arabia wanting to bomb Iran (which many people thought anyway), the President of some country in the middle of nowhere is extremely vain, and Angela Markel is a fuddy duddy.

I mean shit... if you want to blow the whistle, blow the damn whistle.

Slappin Fish · 12-08-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Just information?

What do you think would happen if somebody stole the source code to any number of popular software packages? It's just information. It's text on a document.

Books are just information. Newspapers are just information. Thousands of pages of research behind patents are just information. Formulas for medicine are just information.

It IS just information.

Sorry but be it can't be compared to proprietary code or pharma patents.

There is no exclusive rights over a conversation

Tjeezers · 12-08-2010, 10:08 AM

i spotted this treat they make on facebook yesterday, but paid no attention to it.

Fletch XXX · 12-08-2010, 10:09 AM

the whole wikileaks thing is boring to be honest.

have the propaganda makers sunk this low with their creativity for the sheep?

Phoenix · 12-08-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Possibly so. Why aren't we seeing any of that information yet? So far we hear about Saudi Arabia wanting to bomb Iran (which many people thought anyway), the President of some country in the middle of nowhere is extremely vain, and Angela Markel is a fuddy duddy.

I mean shit... if you want to blow the whistle, blow the damn whistle.

i know..i want to see the dirt

its funny though as soon as he was about to unleash the banking info...hes in custody

they killed kennedy...he shouldnt think hes safe cause hes a swed

Sly · 12-08-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

A recording IS just information.

Sorry but be it can't be compared to proprietary code or pharma patents.

There is no exclusive rights over a conversation

Yeh, actually there are rights over private conversations. Particularly those that may involve national security, large economics deals, this and that, that and this.

Somebody records a visit between you and your lawyer. You're telling me that's fair game? You and your doctor. Fair game? Sure, once it's out, it's out... doesn't mean it's not illegal.

Slappin Fish · 12-08-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Somebody records a visit between you and your lawyer. You're telling me that's fair game? You and your doctor. Fair game? Sure, once it's out, it's out... doesn't mean it's not illegal.

I am saying your analogy with source code and pharma patents is wrong.

Is it legal either way? I don't know...

Nasty · 12-08-2010, 10:17 AM

There are some things money can't buy. For Everything else there is <ping timeout>

Slappin Fish · 12-08-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Nasty

There are some things money can't buy. For Everything else there is <ping timeout>

cherrylula · 12-08-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

I am really not sure why people engaged in a business based on online processing and people having disposable income would cheer a group of people who hope to bring global political instability and disrupt the online payment process. Seems like people who are engaged in orderly and legal commerce would generally oppose the anarchists who hope to bring down the "system" that gets you paid.

sshh you might offend some electro-anarchist that can't function without the US power grid.....

atom · 12-08-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Nasty

There are some things money can't buy. For Everything else there is <ping timeout>

hah, made my day!

Juicy D. Links · 12-08-2010, 10:39 AM

It's not just you! http://mastercard.com looks down from here.

quiet · 12-08-2010, 10:42 AM

i kind of have a personal grudge against paypal, so while i am neutral on the the whole wiki/4chan thing in general, anything that hurts paypal, makes me smile.

cherrylula · 12-08-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

the whole wikileaks thing is boring to be honest.

have the propaganda makers sunk this low with their creativity for the sheep?

You know it is making thing work as simple as possible that is difficult. And wikileaks has nailed it.

Watching people get so emotional over this has been funny. It is pretty entertaining. Reality entertainment at it's finest.

_Richard_ · 12-08-2010, 11:05 AM

so much for 'light political action' on the part of anon lol

munki · 12-08-2010, 11:09 AM

The people speak in the means and ways available to them at any given point in history...

This time around... maybe the revolution will not be televised, but spread virally through the internet...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...and_rebellions

minicivan · 12-08-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

i agree with you...however

the information that needs to get out affects everyone...so it isnt just personal info that no one needs to see...its the underhanded back room deals to control the populice through debt that needs to be brought to light

How do you know that? How do you know what the "information" is? How do you know what standards were used to redact it or filter it or anything?

Answer... you don't. Further, you are not calculating the harms, only what you perceive to be the "benefits" which in itself is highly subjective.

You just know that some shit disturber is thumbing his nose at the man, thats super cool and fuck the consequences.

So today its "freedom of press" to publish every private diplomatic conversation regardless of their content, harming ties between nations, disrupting trade and trade agreements, negotiations, relationships and so on and the fun position is "anything and everything is OK by me" but few seem to grasp the implications of where that thinking leads.

Just don't bitch when your medical records show up on youtube in a fun video about STDs that goes viral. After all, the uploader can just use some simplistic and moronic reasoning like "STD's affect everyone and this is a global concern"

DateDoc · 12-08-2010, 11:13 AM

It has been hours now and mastercard is still down.

input · 12-08-2010, 11:18 AM

The argument of whether wikileaks is illegal is a very grey area.

The guy that gave them the information was breaking his contractual obligation to not disclose the information. The information is public domain, simply not released into the public domain until such a date has passed (which is mentioned on all of the cables). Therfore, how can it be illegal to print something that is public domain, but just not released 'officially' yet?

I don't think that the US govt has actually officially acknowledged the authenticity of any wikileaks material... they have forbidden all govt employees from reading the information on wikileaks, but that's about all.

Naughty-Pages · 12-08-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by czarina

Just in case I took my money out of paypal. I only had like $300 there, but no sense in losing it

That wouldn't affect your $.

Klen · 12-08-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by minicivan

How do you know that? How do you know what the "information" is? How do you know what standards were used to redact it or filter it or anything?

Answer... you don't. Further, you are not calculating the harms, only what you perceive to be the "benefits" which in itself is highly subjective.

You just know that some shit disturber is thumbing his nose at the man, thats super cool and fuck the consequences.

So today its "freedom of press" to publish every private diplomatic conversation regardless of their content, harming ties between nations, disrupting trade and trade agreements, negotiations, relationships and so on and the fun position is "anything and everything is OK by me" but few seem to grasp the implications of where that thinking leads.

Just don't bitch when your medical records show up on youtube in a fun video about STDs that goes viral. After all, the uploader can just use some simplistic and moronic reasoning like "STD's affect everyone and this is a global concern"

He doesn't receive a tax money.

directfiesta · 12-08-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

hahahah, how about the freedom to leak paysite passwords ? or the freedom to leak full lenght movies on tubesites ?

you also oppose the government closing them down ? wikileaks is to the government the same as what illegal tubes are to porn webmasters

pretty dumb analogy .... did not realize that the cables were copyrighted....

directfiesta · 12-08-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

thats your opinion ... if wikileaks is not illegal then why is the guy that has stolen all the information from government computers been arrested ? and is facing life in jail ?

so let me get this right , person A steals something give it to person B , then person B knowing that the material is stolen passes it on

and that is ok ?

so if I have a paysite, person A rips all my movies, gives it to person B then person B makes a full site with my material

that is ok ? Person B did not steal anything and thus his site is legal ??

Tell me about person C ...

moeloubani · 12-08-2010, 11:33 AM

Yeah but if Person A steals something that was Person Cs and gives it to B to give to C is it wrong?

Police do that all the time when they recover stolen stuff. These documents belong to the people of the United States of America, they are not copyrighted and they are funded by the people. This isn't porn movies.

directfiesta · 12-08-2010, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by minicivan

So how about we steal your personal diary that contains your most intimate and personal thoughts and post it online in the interest of "free press". Then we post your personal information, a full biography of everything you thought was personal and private about your life. Then, your families information, your tax records, your medical records, your families medical records and so on????

According to people like you, there are no boundaries and should be no boundaries. Its about "free press" (whatever that means)

A night with Paris Hilton ....

directfiesta · 12-08-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Many courts have ruled that Free Press doesn't necessarily pertain to information found through illegal means.

The great Sarah Palin just won such a case.

Please elaborate on that PRECISE case ...

Emil · 12-08-2010, 11:36 AM

Where do the kids at 4chan discuss about their attacks? What part of the site?

quiet · 12-08-2010, 11:40 AM

it's funny, i've had the news on the background all morning, and while they keep mentioning anon, they have never once mentioned 4chan lol. okay, time to go snowboarding.

Coup · 12-08-2010, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

This isn't sticking up for Freedom of Speech. This is simply acting out.

Yeah, they should do something effective. like standing around on a street holding a sign.

Direct Action is the only action pigs understand..

Babaganoosh · 12-08-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Porn?

Works for me http://anonops.net/

"This Account Has Been Suspended for the following reason : Furfaggotry"

marketsmart · 12-08-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Emil

Where do the kids at 4chan discuss about their attacks? What part of the site?

irc...

.

selena · 12-08-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Porn?

Works for me http://anonops.net/

I get this message:

This Account Has Been Suspended for the following reason : Furfaggotry

TheSwed · 12-08-2010, 12:06 PM

Mastercard have been down for 9 hours now

WE ARE GLAD TO TELL YOU THAT http://www.mastercard.com/ is DOWN AND IT'S CONFIRMED! #ddos #wikileaks Operation:Payback(is a bitch!) #PAYBACK
about 9 hours ago via Chromed Bird

Ethersync · 12-08-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nasty

There are some things money can't buy. For Everything else there is <ping timeout>

JFK · 12-08-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DateDoc

It has been hours now and mastercard is still down.

yup, just tried it still down

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input Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 41	The argument of whether wikileaks is illegal is a very grey area. The guy that gave them the information was breaking his contractual obligation to not disclose the information. The information is public domain, simply not released into the public domain until such a date has passed (which is mentioned on all of the cables). Therfore, how can it be illegal to print something that is public domain, but just not released 'officially' yet? I don't think that the US govt has actually officially acknowledged the authenticity of any wikileaks material... they have forbidden all govt employees from reading the information on wikileaks, but that's about all.

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