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theking · 12-13-2010, 10:28 AM

...across the bow of the health care bill. The core of the bill...is that everyone must buy private insurance....and this has been ruled to be unconstitutional.

Ultimately it will be up to the Supreme Court to decide...so this ruling is not of real import.

Tom_PM · 12-13-2010, 10:34 AM

Lawmakers mentioned when it passed that this would probably be going away (the requirement to buy in or be fined I mean).

mekent · 12-13-2010, 10:37 AM

It's not the first shot, it's the third...

"Judge Hudson is the third district court judge to reach a determination on the merits in one of the two dozen lawsuits filed against the health care law. The others — in Detroit and Lynchburg, Va. — have upheld the law. Lawyers on both sides said the appellate process could last another two years before the Supreme Court settles the dispute." NYTimes

Amputate Your Head · 12-13-2010, 10:39 AM

what's interesting is, if it's illegal to force people to buy health insurance or face fines, etc... then it should also be illegal to force people to buy auto insurance, or face fines, etc.

WarChild · 12-13-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

what's interesting is, if it's illegal to force people to buy health insurance or face fines, etc... then it should also be illegal to force people to buy auto insurance, or face fines, etc.

Not the same thing at all, Amp. Don't be silly.

96ukssob · 12-13-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

what's interesting is, if it's illegal to force people to buy health insurance or face fines, etc... then it should also be illegal to force people to buy auto insurance, or face fines, etc.

auto insurance is slightly different. if you hit me with your car you have to be able to pay my medial bills. if your sick, its your own problem.

however, i have a feeling that insurance is more being pushed to benefit hospitals, doctors and medical staff than the general public. I can't imagine how many people go into an ER and walk out with a $20k bill that they walk away from, versus if they had insurance a large portion would be paid.

Amputate Your Head · 12-13-2010, 10:58 AM

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Not the same thing at all, Amp. Don't be silly.

it is the same thing. It is the government forcing you to buy into the insurance system. Period.

theking · 12-13-2010, 11:00 AM

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It's not the first shot, it's the third...

"Judge Hudson is the third district court judge to reach a determination on the merits in one of the two dozen lawsuits filed against the health care law. The others ? in Detroit and Lynchburg, Va. ? have upheld the law. Lawyers on both sides said the appellate process could last another two years before the Supreme Court settles the dispute." NYTimes

No...it is the first shot...the other rulings were favorable.

marketsmart · 12-13-2010, 11:02 AM

the way i see it...

i have health insurance and so fuck everyone else...

let the uninsured just keep going to the ER for primary care or just let them die...

i side with the republicans on this issue.. if you dont have a good job and/or cant afford health care, then too fucking bad...

just don't raise my taxes....

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theking · 12-13-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

it is the same thing. It is the government forcing you to buy into the insurance system. Period.

It is not the same thing...because you are not required to buy insurance unless you drive and you are not forced to drive.

Agent 488 · 12-13-2010, 11:03 AM

america judical system = hitler.

Amputate Your Head · 12-13-2010, 11:03 AM

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It is not the same thing...because you are not required to buy insurance unless you drive and you are not forced to drive.

and with health care, you're not forced to buy in unless you're alive, and no one is forcing you to stay living.

Frasier · 12-13-2010, 11:08 AM

the 'car insurance' and the 'homeowners insurance' analogy are very poor, as both these acts require the VOLUNTARY purchase of a good.

Purchasing a car or taking out a mortgage loan is an OPTION in the USA. If you choose that optional purchase, then yes - you can be required to have insurance.

But you guys are overlooking a much better analogy in your effort to cry foul.

Income Taxes. Just like this mandatory healthcare purchase - every single american - from the time he/she is born is required to pay income taxes AND purchase healthcare insurance.

This is a much better analogy than insurance that comes with a voluntary purchase.

The Demon · 12-13-2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

it is the same thing. It is the government forcing you to buy into the insurance system. Period.

Your inability to make logical distinctions makes me laugh.

The Demon · 12-13-2010, 11:13 AM

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america judical system = hitler.

This post right here explains why you do what you do for a living. Your stupidity knows no bounds.

IllTestYourGirls · 12-13-2010, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

it is the same thing. It is the government forcing you to buy into the insurance system. Period.

I am not forced to by car insurance in my state.

Amputate Your Head · 12-13-2010, 11:13 AM

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Your inability to make logical distinctions makes me laugh.

your need to express faux superiority makes me laugh.

IllTestYourGirls · 12-13-2010, 11:15 AM

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and with health care, you're not forced to buy in unless you're alive, and no one is forcing you to stay living.

Dude dont be silly. "The right to LIFE, liberty...."

The Demon · 12-13-2010, 11:17 AM

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your need to express faux superiority makes me laugh.

I don't need to express superiority over stupid human beings. But it's not shocking that you don't get it. After all, you think that because buying health care isn't required by law, auto insurance shouldn't either!

SuzzyQ · 12-13-2010, 11:20 AM

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I am not forced to by car insurance in my state.

You are not forced to own a car or own a house. Obamacare forces you to buy insurance.
Sorry AMP, your argument does not work.

Amputate Your Head · 12-13-2010, 11:25 AM

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I am not forced to by car insurance in my state.

which helps to make my point. If forcing down our throats is such a wonderful idea, then why are there still states not participating.

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Dude dont be silly. "The right to LIFE, liberty...."

the "right" to it doesn't mean you're being forced. It means you're opting in.

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I don't need to express superiority over stupid human beings.

yes, you do. You do it every day here. It's laughable.

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But it's not shocking that you don't get it. After all, you think that because buying health care isn't required by law, auto insurance shouldn't either!

that's exactly right. It shouldn't be forced. That's my only point. Why you find that humorous is beyond me. I admit that much. But it doesn't change my opinion of it.

you realize that boat insurance is not required. Why not? Is that not a vehicle? What of other vehicles? Why aren't most recreational vehicles slapped with mandatory insurance? Is the risk for collisions not even greater?

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You are not forced to own a car or own a house. Obamacare forces you to buy insurance.
Sorry AMP, your argument does not work.

as I said, you are not forced to continue living, nor are you forced to live in this country.

WarChild · 12-13-2010, 11:31 AM

Amp the key difference is that with auto insurance you need only buy it to exercise YOUR PRIVILEGE to drive. The reason you need to buy it, in most places anyways, is to protect MY RIGHTS. Specifically to guarantee that should you cause me harm that you can afford to compensate me properly.

The Health Insurance is different because it trying to force you to buy insurance in order to exercise YOUR RIGHTS. In this case the right to "Life".

If you really can't see the difference between the two .. Actually scratch that. You must be able to.

kristin · 12-13-2010, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

the way i see it...

i have health insurance and so fuck everyone else...

let the uninsured just keep going to the ER for primary care or just let them die...

You do realize that this hinders sick people who have insurance? Because there is no preventive care for those that are uninsured they wait until they get real sick and have to go to the ER. Then if you are there at the same time, sorry buddy, your butt may be waiting.

And they don't just die. Hospitals have to treat everyone the same, insurance or not. And your taxes keep going up because of the uninsured in the hospitals - someone has to pay for those bills.

A lot of people that have good jobs no longer have insurance. Many companies took that benefit away to save money.

PR_Glen · 12-13-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

the way i see it...

i have health insurance and so fuck everyone else...

let the uninsured just keep going to the ER for primary care or just let them die...

i side with the republicans on this issue.. if you dont have a good job and/or cant afford health care, then too fucking bad...

just don't raise my taxes....

.

I'm sorry I don't think either party is on the "fuck the poor" side to this argument... do you not have family members without health insurance? I sincerely doubt that you don't... so saying 'too fucking bad' says more about your grasp on the subject than anything else...

cherrylula · 12-13-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

it is the same thing. It is the government forcing you to buy into the insurance system. Period.

yeah but they'll say driving is a privilege, and since the roads are paved by cities if you want to drive on them you have to buy into their rules...

I hate that law.

WarChild · 12-13-2010, 11:38 AM

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You do realize that this hinders sick people who have insurance? Because there is no preventive care for those that are uninsured they wait until they get real sick and have to go to the ER. Then if you are there at the same time, sorry buddy, your butt may be waiting.

And they don't just die. Hospitals have to treat everyone the same, insurance or not. And your taxes keep going up because of the uninsured in the hospitals - someone has to pay for those bills.

A lot of people that have good jobs no longer have insurance. Many companies took that benefit away to save money.

Not to mention the one point that should pretty much end the discussion; The United States already spends more per capita on health care than most socialized medical systems.

You're already spending more than say Canada, per person, on healthcare yet you don't guarantee healthcare to all of your citizens. Crazy, isn't it?

theking · 12-13-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

which helps to make my point. If forcing down our throats is such a wonderful idea, then why are there still states not participating.

the "right" to it doesn't mean you're being forced. It means you're opting in.

yes, you do. You do it every day here. It's laughable.

that's exactly right. It shouldn't be forced. That's my only point. Why you find that humorous is beyond me. I admit that much. But it doesn't change my opinion of it.

you realize that boat insurance is not required. Why not? Is that not a vehicle? What of other vehicles? Why aren't most recreational vehicles slapped with mandatory insurance? Is the risk for collisions not even greater?

as I said, you are not forced to continue living, nor are you forced to live in this country.

Automobile liability insurance...has to do with the Commerce Clause of the Constitution and the Supreme Court has ruled that providing proof of liability falls within the Commerce clause...end of story.

You may not like it...and I may not like it...but you do not know the ins and outs of the Commerce Clause of the Constitution...and neither do I.

Amputate Your Head · 12-13-2010, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

yeah but they'll say driving is a privilege, and since the roads are paved by cities if you want to drive on them you have to buy into their rules...

I hate that law.

as for the "privilege" argument, why isn't insurance forced for public transit? Everyone that rides BART or a city bus should have to pay insurance should they not? Public transit is not a right.

kristin · 12-13-2010, 11:44 AM

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Everyone that rides BART or a city bus should have to pay insurance should they not? Public transit is not a right.

I think they include that in the transportation's fare.

IllTestYourGirls · 12-13-2010, 11:44 AM

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I'm sorry I don't think either party is on the "fuck the poor" side to this argument... do you not have family members without health insurance? I sincerely doubt that you don't... so saying 'too fucking bad' says more about your grasp on the subject than anything else...

So just force them to buy it and everything will be alright? When it has already been proven that the cost is going UP under the new law?

Come on now.

WarChild · 12-13-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

as for the "privilege" argument, why isn't insurance forced for public transit? Everyone that rides BART or a city bus should have to pay insurance should they not? Public transit is not a right.

You're still missing the point. The bus IS insured. The only insurance you have to buy for automobiles is third party liability. You are protecting my rights with your insurance.

You have to be trolling. Come on.

The Demon · 12-13-2010, 11:47 AM

How does amputate still not get this?

Amputate Your Head · 12-13-2010, 11:52 AM

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You're still missing the point. The bus IS insured. The only insurance you have to buy for automobiles is third party liability. You are protecting my rights with your insurance.

You have to be trolling. Come on.

if I bring my bicycle onto a BART train (bicycle also not insured), and the train stops suddenly and my handlebars get jammed into your liver to the point that you're hospitalized, who pays for that? The train? Me? You? What insurance policy covers that? Who's fault is it? Shouldn't passengers be required to carry personal liability insurance for things that happen ON the train / bus? Who is responsible?

kristin · 12-13-2010, 11:55 AM

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if I bring my bicycle onto a BART train (bicycle also not insured), and the train stops suddenly and my handlebars get jammed into your liver to the point that you're hospitalized, who pays for that? The train? Me? You? What insurance policy covers that? Who's fault is it? Shouldn't passengers be required to carry personal liability insurance for things that happen ON the train / bus? Who is responsible?

The train for slamming on its brakes. Now, had the person been riding the bike on the train, that might be a different story. ; )

Amputate Your Head · 12-13-2010, 11:58 AM

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The train for slamming on its brakes. Now, had the person been riding the bike on the train, that might be a different story. ; )

okay, so if the train is liable, that makes everyone's fares go up to cover the costs... sort of like how the health care system is working right now. Is that fair? Shouldn't we mandate personal liability insurance to get those costs down? Sort of like how the health care system will be working soon?

SuckOnThis · 12-13-2010, 11:59 AM

But you are forced to pay into Social Security and Medicare, something that the average FOX News watching tea bagger cant live without.

Coup · 12-13-2010, 11:59 AM

too bad they didn't strike down that entire piece of shit

WarChild · 12-13-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

okay, so if the train is liable, that makes everyone's fares go up to cover the costs... sort of like how the health care system is working right now. Is that fair? Shouldn't we mandate personal liability insurance to get those costs down? Sort of like how the health care system will be working soon?

The train and the train station is most assuredly insured and that's factored in to the cost of the fare. Come on you're playing now.

Amputate Your Head · 12-13-2010, 12:02 PM

the insurance companies should be burned to the fucking ground.

that's all.

peace out. /

Barry-xlovecam · 12-13-2010, 12:04 PM

We can't afford health care for all so some will have to die in the street ? better hope you are not the one to die in the street ...

Some people are refused any health care insurance because they are too sick. They should die for society's sake ...

If you believe that you are an idiot.

baddog · 12-13-2010, 12:05 PM

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And this is why I put him on ignore. I like the guy but his trolling makes me say things I would not normally say to someone I like.

I am sure he could not care less.

kristin · 12-13-2010, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

okay, so if the train is liable, that makes everyone's fares go up to cover the costs... sort of like how the health care system is working right now. Is that fair? Shouldn't we mandate personal liability insurance to get those costs down? Sort of like how the health care system will be working soon?

Oh I don't disagree the system is fucked up, I just don't think your automobile comparison is a good one.

I have epilepsy and require health insurance or I pay $600 a month and that pretty much just covers medicine copays. I've paid out of pocket to give birth to my one son, thankful that Vegas has a program that caps the cost at $6k. And yet, I worked, the whole time.

Rangermoore · 12-13-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

yeah but they'll say driving is a privilege, and since the roads are paved by cities if you want to drive on them you have to buy into their rules...

I hate that law.

If the roads are paved using MY tax dollars then why is it a privilege to drive? If I am forced to pay taxes then it is my RIGHT to drive on the roads paved using my tax dollars..

WarChild · 12-13-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

the insurance companies should be burned to the fucking ground.

that's all.

peace out. /

WarChild · 12-13-2010, 12:17 PM

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If the roads are paved using MY tax dollars then why is it a privilege to drive? If I am forced to pay taxes then it is my RIGHT to drive on the roads paved using my tax dollars..

Unfortunately, there is no mention anywhere of you having the right to use the things your tax dollars pay for. You don't have the right to use the White House, the Armed Forces or any number of things.

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WHEN in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to desolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the seperate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

No mention was made of the right to drive on the roads.

cherrylula · 12-13-2010, 12:28 PM

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If the roads are paved using MY tax dollars then why is it a privilege to drive? If I am forced to pay taxes then it is my RIGHT to drive on the roads paved using my tax dollars..

I agree, but that just isn't how it goes.... what WC said ...

livin off the grid ain't so easy.

Tom_PM · 12-13-2010, 12:30 PM

There is no truth to the notion that it's "already proven that costs will go UP under" health care reform. ONLY right wing partisans claim it. The non-partisan groups that've studied it long-term say it will bring costs DOWN. So, by preponderance of the available evidence, it's more likely that costs go down under "obamacare".

cherrylula · 12-13-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Unfortunately, there is no mention anywhere of you having the right to use the things your tax dollars pay for. You don't have the right to use the White House, the Armed Forces or any number of things.

No mention was made of the right to drive on the roads.

Yeah government people decide where our taxes are going, and we elect them.

pornguy · 12-13-2010, 12:43 PM

A few years back my wife got a rash on her legs. we tried some anti rash over the counter cream and nothing. It got worse a few days later so we went to the ER. Spent 6 hours there. They took blood and the " Dr " told my wife it was just a simple rash and to take x antibiotic and to take X steroid. Both prescribed. Cost of the visit. 4k. Paid 500$ up front that day and would be billed the rest. He had not even waited on the blood results before he gave her the drugs to get. Needless to say we got the results and talked with another doctor who said the antibiotics wont do anything and get off the steroid before it made it worse. Turned out it was just a virus.

We went back to the hospital and told them to kiss our ass on the rest of the money. They needed to get Doctors that knew what the fuck they were doing before they got someone killed taking the wrong meds.

The Demon · 12-13-2010, 12:52 PM

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There is no truth to the notion that it's "already proven that costs will go UP under" health care reform. ONLY right wing partisans claim it. The non-partisan groups that've studied it long-term say it will bring costs DOWN. So, by preponderance of the available evidence, it's more likely that costs go down under "obamacare".

Weird, my monthly payments went up about $15 as soon as this was "enacted". Only the left wing partisans claim there will be either no change or everything will be cheaper.

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Frasier Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 377	the 'car insurance' and the 'homeowners insurance' analogy are very poor, as both these acts require the VOLUNTARY purchase of a good. Purchasing a car or taking out a mortgage loan is an OPTION in the USA. If you choose that optional purchase, then yes - you can be required to have insurance. But you guys are overlooking a much better analogy in your effort to cry foul. Income Taxes. Just like this mandatory healthcare purchase - every single american - from the time he/she is born is required to pay income taxes AND purchase healthcare insurance. This is a much better analogy than insurance that comes with a voluntary purchase. __________________ ICQ 452 one six 7 five 41

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WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	Amp the key difference is that with auto insurance you need only buy it to exercise YOUR PRIVILEGE to drive. The reason you need to buy it, in most places anyways, is to protect MY RIGHTS. Specifically to guarantee that should you cause me harm that you can afford to compensate me properly. The Health Insurance is different because it trying to force you to buy insurance in order to exercise YOUR RIGHTS. In this case the right to "Life". If you really can't see the difference between the two .. Actually scratch that. You must be able to. __________________ .

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