Will the U.S. Government ever shut down the interenets like Egypt?

[DEA - banned for life]

What would happen if the usa government shut down the internets over anit-gov riots and demonstrations?

Im not sure the usa could operate for more than a day or 2 in todays world without the internet

[Phoenix]

yes they would and could....of course everyone would agree its the best thing for the safety of the nation..anyone saying otherwise would be a crack pot..conspiracy theorist....then a fear mongerer...finally a traitor

[Matyko]

Extremely sad and scary what is happening in Egypt right now. (((

[candyflip]

If American's get cut off from Facebook, Twitter and Perez Hilton...they will Revolt.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

ADG

[camperjohn64]

Originally Posted by Matyko

Extremely sad and scary what is happening in Egypt right now. (((

Is Egypt a fundamentalist muslim country? I always thought it was one of the more modern eastern countries...

[nico-t]

funny to see the US governments position on the mess in egypt by the way.... did you know they fund the current egyptian government with $1 billion dollar each year and the weapons the army & riot police carries are also from the US? Not to think of all the oil in that region, i bet they have a nice deal worked out with that dictator - just like with Saddam in the 80's.

Saw hillary on tv... "uhmm... yes... we support democracy..... but.... uhm.... yeah.." lolz they dont know what to say

[Agent 488]

who cares of they did anyway?

the revolutions accelerated after the net was cut off.

only geeks think the world ends if the internet is shut off.

[Agent 488]

when the net is shut off what do people do? they stop tweeting and facebooking and go to the streets for information. that is why cutting the net off will accelerate the uprising.

[chaze]

Originally Posted by DEA

What would happen if the usa government shut down the internets over anit-gov riots and demonstrations?

Im not sure the usa could operate for more than a day or 2 in todays world without the internet

They could very easily. We should have a safety net in place just in case.

[_Richard_]

interesting idea coupled with the emergence of 'ebooks'

hardcopy books have how long?

[camperjohn64]

Originally Posted by chaze

They could very easily. We should have a safety net in place just in case.

Is it possible to write an iphone app that can act as an internet repeater? Imaging A wants to send a message to C and it goes: A<->B<->C where B is just a repeater. This would have to work without cell towers ie: peer to peer internet.

Hmmm...

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by camperjohn64

Is it possible to write an iphone app that can act as an internet repeater? Imaging A wants to send a message to C and it goes: A<->B<->C where B is just a repeater. This would have to work without cell towers ie: peer to peer internet.

Hmmm...

richard is aroused. is that feasible, and usable for more than one make of phone?

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by candyflip

If American's get cut off from Facebook, Twitter and Perez Hilton...they will Revolt.

...

[moeloubani]

this whole revolution that they're having in egypt is to get rid of an american puppet government

[Agent 488]

how did people revolt before the internet?

we have all collectively lost all sense of proportion, reality and sense.

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by DEA

What would happen if the usa government shut down the internets over anit-gov riots and demonstrations?

Im not sure the usa could operate for more than a day or 2 in todays world without the internet

that would be deadly blast 4 some people

[DEA - banned for life]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

this whole revolution that they're having in egypt is to get rid of an american puppet government

i dont see how changing the government is going to feed those people wich are starving right now

[Coup]

One could only hope so

[camperjohn64]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

richard is aroused. is that feasible, and usable for more than one make of phone?

The question would be how much control you have in the iphone over sending and recieving. The protocol would be a piece of cake to whip one up.

OR even better, a USB repeater. This wouldn't be dependant on any phone or computer. Use ham radio technology with modem protocols in a USB device. Ham radios can travel thousands of miles with how they bounce on the atmosphere.

Now we're talking!

[DEA - banned for life]

Originally Posted by camperjohn64

The question would be how much control you have in the iphone over sending and recieving. The protocol would be a piece of cake to whip one up.

OR even better, a USB repeater. This wouldn't be dependant on any phone or computer. Use ham radio technology with modem protocols in a USB device. Ham radios can travel thousands of miles with how they bounce on the atmosphere.

Now we're talking!

Id imagine that those radio signals could easily be jammed or manipulated by the gov with todays technology.

egypt shut down text messaging .

i just dont see how the country could possibly operate without the internet...shipping,deliveraries,orders,paymetns,b illing etc etc would all be shut down.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by DEA

Id imagine that those radio signals could easily be jammed or manipulated by the gov with todays technology.

egypt shut down text messaging .

i just dont see how the country could possibly operate without the internet...shipping,deliveraries,orders,paymetns,b illing etc etc would all be shut down.

adaption is always apart of the formula

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by DEA

Id imagine that those radio signals could easily be jammed or manipulated by the gov with todays technology.

egypt shut down text messaging .

i just dont see how the country could possibly operate without the internet...shipping,deliveraries,orders,paymetns,b illing etc etc would all be shut down.

shows how much we've lost it. that we can't understand the world without an internet. kind of sad.

[Agent 488]

"The majority of the protesters in Cairo, in Suez, in Alexandria, in Luxor, in Mahla, in Manoura and all over this ancient land which is the very heart of what it means to be Arab?are not ?twittering? or ?facebooking? or ?emailing? or even watching the landmark live coverage that Al-Jazeera is providing. They are out on the streets?and yes, without phone access?risking their lives and giving vent to three decades and perhaps more, of anger."

http://mondoweiss.net/

[DEA - banned for life]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

"The majority of the protesters in Cairo, in Suez, in Alexandria, in Luxor, in Mahla, in Manoura and all over this ancient land which is the very heart of what it means to be Arab?are not ?twittering? or ?facebooking? or ?emailing? or even watching the landmark live coverage that Al-Jazeera is providing. They are out on the streets?and yes, without phone access?risking their lives and giving vent to three decades and perhaps more, of anger."

http://mondoweiss.net/

lol ill just quote you

Originally Posted by Agent 488

when the net is shut off what do people do? they stop tweeting and facebooking and go to the streets for information. that is why cutting the net off will accelerate the uprising.

ofcoarse there not facebooking and twittering...they have no internet or text mesaging !!!

[DEA - banned for life]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Another idiot that has no idea what he's talking about. The Egyptians have their own weapons factories build by the Soviets in the 60's. The vast majority of the US military arms are F-16 jets and I highly doubt they are used for crowd control. What is true is to see someone from the Netherlands so incredibly ignorant.

CNN just owned you about 10 minutes ago when they showed a tear gas canister from cairo that had "made in the usa "stamped on it with the name of the us company that made it and the state they are located..im sure you and everyone else will see this on the news... by tonight it will be all over the net/news.



sorry not trying to insult..just the messenger

[Agent 488]

let's be frank: the US funded and supported egypt up to this point because if israel.

whether new regime supports israel will determine whether it is propagandized as a new beacon of democracy or a nest of terror masters.

[DWB]

Could they? You bet.

Will they? If they have to.

The difference is, in the odd event Americans do revolt, they would be smacked down so fucking fast their heads would spin. Chaos is contagious and it is not permitted outside of the ghettos.

[Agent 488]

http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/egypt.htm

The United States sells Egypt a large amount of military equipment and a significant number of small arms; such weaponry is both likely to be used for internal security and difficult to track once sold. These two factors could easily enable such weaponry to find its way into the hands of abusive government security forces. In fact, during fiscal years 1996-1999, according to the U.S. government’s “Section 655” reports, the United States delivered $10 million worth of small arms via the Pentagon’s Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program and authorized export licenses worth more than $4.8 million through State’s Direct Commercial Sales (DCS) channel. Small arms delivered or authorized included ammunition and raw materials for ammunition, grenades, a variety of pistols and rifles, and riot control equipment.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Could they? You bet.

Will they? If they have to.

The difference is, in the odd event Americans do revolt, they would be smacked down so fucking fast their heads would spin. Chaos is contagious and it is not permitted outside of the ghettos.

you are ignorant of history and read too many fear mongers and conspiracy theories.

[pornguy]

If you think unemployment is bad in the US now and that they have problems, imagine the damage that would do.

[Cherry7]

If the state is at risk they will do anything to keep power....

Look at the history of strikes in the US, the use of troops, strike breakers, gansters....

Good film on this would be Harlen County


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074605/

[DEA - banned for life]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Alright I'll man up and say I was off on the crowd control shit. But that is far from military grade weapons sold to the army, funding their government for oil, and the deal worked out with that dictator - just like with Saddam in the 80's.-Shit. Not even in the same ballpark that you left out.

Besides any American Company can sell crowd control equipment and I'd bet our government did not sell that gear but a law enforcement wholesaler did.

Lol..and who do you tihnk owns or has a stake in that company? possibly gov fuigures?

ever hear of haliburton?

Fact: No private Us company can export weapons to any foreing nation without first getting "approval" from The US gonvernment....Also the military doesnt actually produce there own weapons..they buy them from privately owned contractors...guns from colt and browning..helicopters from mcdonalad douglas ..etc etc...i would bet that same tear gas being used in cairo would come from the the same company used here in the USA govs tear gas.....do you think that same company is selling tear gas to north korea or iran? me thinks not

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by nico-t

funny to see the US governments position on the mess in egypt by the way.... did you know they fund the current egyptian government with $1 billion dollar each year and the weapons the army & riot police carries are also from the US? Not to think of all the oil in that region, i bet they have a nice deal worked out with that dictator - just like with Saddam in the 80's.

Saw hillary on tv... "uhmm... yes... we support democracy..... but.... uhm.... yeah.." lolz they dont know what to say

Dude joe biden was just on BBC and he is like "it is not a dictatorship" meanwhile all the Egyptian people are saying he is LOL.

fucking usa.

[DEA - banned for life]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Give me a break.. there are 100 of US companies that make riot gear.



I'd agree with you on this and was also going to post that fact. Also, it's just not riot gear. Did you know the rifle scope/optics manufacturers/wholesalers who export overseas also need to get approval from the government? Did you know if bought night-vision and sent to a conflict zone you'd be detained/arrested if caught?

My point is...that tear gas came from the USA..and our govenment approved for it to be sold...we dont sell to iran we dont sell to north korea..but we supplied them with tear gas and weapons....did anyone in the US care before 2 days ago..No..

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

you are ignorant of history and read too many fear mongers and conspiracy theories.

Keep drinking your kool-aid kid.

1) If the USA gov felt it needed to shut off the internet for whatever reason they came up with, they could. It would more than likely happen as a national security act. If you think it could never happen, you're a bigger idiot than I think you are.

2) If you don't think the police, National Guard (and eventually the military) would not be called out in the event of full scale rioting these days, then I have to retract my statement from point #1 and say you are THE dumbest mother fucker here.

[Agent 488]

now it's time for the new leaders of egypt to open the floodgates of weapons and supplies to palestine. game on.

even more interesting now that hezbollah in control of lebanon now.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by DEA

Lol..and who do you tihnk owns or has a stake in that company? possibly gov figures?

ever hear of haliburton?

Fact: No private Us company can export weapons to any foreign nation without first getting "approval" from The US government....Also the military doesnt actually produce there own weapons..they buy them from privately owned contractors...guns from colt and browning..helicopters from mcdonalad douglas ..etc etc..

You can't even export Level III and IV body armor and some rifle plates without permission from the US Department of State. It's BODY ARMOR for fucks sake!!!!

[DEA - banned for life]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Keep drinking your kool-aid kid.

1) If the USA gov felt it needed to shut off the internet for whatever reason they came up with, they could. It would more than likely happen as a national security act. If you think it could never happen, you're a bigger idiot than I think you are.

2) If you don't think the police, National Guard (and eventually the military) would not be called out in the event of full scale rioting these days, then I have to retract my statement from point #1 and say you are THE dumbest mother fucker here.

agreed..but.. give him a break..theres another 481 agents in line before anyone calls him for help

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Keep drinking your kool-aid kid.

1) If the USA gov felt it needed to shut off the internet for whatever reason they came up with, they could. It would more than likely happen as a national security act. If you think it could never happen, you're a bigger idiot than I think you are.

2) If you don't think the police, National Guard (and eventually the military) would not be called out in the event of full scale rioting these days, then I have to retract my statement from point #1 and say you are THE dumbest mother fucker here.

they could cut off the internet but so what? only a computer geek thinks that the world stops when the internet is cut off.

and no regime is immune from being toppled. history shows at the right place and time even the most despotic regime can collapse.

solders and cops aren't robots. many of them hate the regime as well and eventually give in and join the other side, as is happening in egypt now.

like i said, know your history.

as an aside, it's times like this that shows what the conspiracy propaganda that people eat up really is: a government psy-op to make one feel powerless in the face of a supposedly invincible government.

[DEA - banned for life]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

they could cut off the internet but so what? only a computer geek thinks that the world stops when the internet is cut off.

and no regime is immune from being toppled. history shows at the right place and time even the most despotic regime can collapse.

solders and cops aren't robots. many of them hate the regime as well and eventually give in and join the other side, as is happening in egypt now.

like i said, know your history.

as an aside, it's times like this that shows what the conspiracy propaganda that people eat up really is: a government psy-op to make one feel powerless in the face of a supposedly invincible government.

you?

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

you are THE dumbest mother fucker here.

[Agent 488]

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[DWB]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

they could cut off the internet but so what? only a computer geek thinks that the world stops when the internet is cut off.

The OP asked if they could or would, I said yes.

At no time did I discuss the importance of the internet or what the people would do without it.

Move on.

Originally Posted by Agent 488

and no regime is immune from being toppled. history shows at the right place and time even the most despotic regime can collapse.

Anyone could topple if the stars aligned, but the USA will not get toppled by the people.

Originally Posted by Agent 488

solders and cops aren't robots. many of them hate the regime as well and eventually give in and join the other side, as is happening in egypt now.

I guess you don't really comprehend how large our police force, National Guard and military really is, on a national scale. There will ALWAYS be those who will switch sides, but there will be more who follow orders when it comes time to restore order.

Originally Posted by Agent 488

like i said, know your history.

I know my history, but more importantly, I also know the present. The American people are not going to do shit. And any small pockets who do act up will be dealt with.

Never in history has a nations law enforcement / military been so advanced while its people so dumbed down, out of shape, unarmed, uneducated, and unmotivated. If there is ever any sort of a revolution in the USA, the majority of the people will watch it on TV.

Originally Posted by Agent 488

as an aside, it's times like this that shows what the conspiracy propaganda that people eat up really is: a government psy-op to make one feel powerless in the face of a supposedly invincible government.

Have you even ever been part of or in the middle of any large scale riot or political uprising? The answer is no, so keep reading on the internet and thinking you're smart and know what will happen, because I can assure you the American people no longer have what it takes to overthrow the US Government. It ain't gonna happen in our lifetime at least.

To think Americans could do what Egypt just did is laughable. Not these days. Americans can hardly even peacefully protest anymore without getting arrested in the process. Any real sight of a massive uprising on a national scale would be crushed quickly.

And the sad part is, their rights will continue to be stripped away, unemployment could rise to 25%, the USD could totally collapse, and they still would not act on a national level in the manner Egypt just did. You have a nation of worker bees and zombies who will do what they are told and sleep out for the latest iPhone while going in debt to buy it.

However, I'd love to be proven wrong on this and see all hell break lose to get some things back in line and remind the government who works for who. But I know I'll never see it in my lifetime.

[Agent 488]

of course it could not happen today. never said that. will it happen in our lifetime? who knows? is it impossible? no. nothing is permanent.

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

The OP asked if they could or would, I said yes.

At no time did I discuss the importance of the internet or what the people would do without it.

Move on.



Anyone could topple if the stars aligned, but the USA will not get toppled by the people.




I guess you don't really comprehend how large our police force, National Guard and military really is, on a national scale. There will ALWAYS be those who will switch sides, but there will be more who follow orders when it comes time to restore order.




I know my history, but more importantly, I also know the present. The American people are not going to do shit. And any small pockets who do act up will be dealt with.

Never in history has a nations law enforcement / military been so advanced while its people so dumbed down, out of shape, unarmed, uneducated, and unmotivated. If there is ever any sort of a revolution in the USA, the majority of the people will watch it on TV.





Have you even ever been part of or in the middle of any large scale riot or political uprising? The answer is no, so keep reading on the internet and thinking you're smart and know what will happen, because I can assure you the American people no longer have what it takes to overthrow the US Government. It ain't gonna happen in our lifetime at least.

To think Americans could do what Egypt just did is laughable. Not these days. Americans can hardly even peacefully protest anymore without getting arrested in the process. Any real sight of a massive uprising on a national scale would be crushed quickly.

And the sad part is, their rights will continue to be stripped away, unemployment could rise to 25%, the USD could totally collapse, and they still would not act on a national level in the manner Egypt just did. You have a nation of worker bees and zombies who will do what they are told and sleep out for the latest iPhone while going in debt to buy it.

However, I'd love to be proven wrong on this and see all hell break lose to get some things back in line and remind the government who works for who. But I know I'll never see it in my lifetime.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

and no regime is immune from being toppled. history shows at the right place and time even the most despotic regime can collapse.

solders and cops aren't robots. many of them hate the regime as well and eventually give in and join the other side, as is happening in egypt now.

like i said, know your history.

OK, here is where I will agree with you. If you were discussing a developing nation or some 3rd world shit pot, you are 100% correct. It can be done and sometimes is. I've seen it with my own eyes.

I've been in the middle of three large scale riots (foolishly taking photos) and I've been there to watch the people change their government, and I've seen them fail.

1) Venezuela 2002
2) Thailand 2006
3) Thailand 2010

It is absolute fucking chaos. But such a thing is to be expected in those types of countries. It is expected when you have a class of people so poor that they have nothing to lose. But he United States of America? No way. That sort of rebellion has been bred of the people, but even if some did get a bright idea or it even looked like some group might get out of line, they would go down like the Branch Davidians in Waco. And you see how well that worked out.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

of course it could not happen today. never said that. will it happen in our lifetime? who knows? is it impossible? no. nothing is permanent.

It would take a new generation of people who will be raised in the poverty that is coming. People with no future or hope. People who have few rights. People who have nothing to lose and want a better life.

When the USA is filled with people like that, you'll get your revolution. Don't know if they will succeed or not, but they'll give it a shot.

But when people are more concerned with Facebook, American Idol and the latest iWhatever, instead of what their government is doing and allowing that government to get away with anything it wants, nothing is going to happen.

There are countless reasons why Americans should have already taken to the streets, but instead they will just vote the same ass hats back into office and wonder why nothing ever changes. In the meantime, they will be glued to the latest reality show, downing anti-depressants, eating fast food, poising themselves with aspartame, and poking their high school buddies on Facebook.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by camperjohn64

Is Egypt a fundamentalist muslim country? I always thought it was one of the more modern eastern countries...

It never was. Egypt is a very extremist Muslim country. I always wanted to visit that country because of pyramids and Red Sea, but never did it because of fucking Islamic monkeys there.

[just a punk]

For example, Turkey is also very wild and rural country, but it's like a real modern civilization comparing with Egypt.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

It never was. Egypt is a very extremist Muslim country. I always wanted to visit that country because of pyramids and Red Sea, but never did it because of fucking Islamic monkeys there.

I'm no fan of Middle Eastern men, but Egypt's not that bad to visit. Go in to see what you want to see, hang out a bit and move on. It's dirtier than you think it would be, but the Muslims there are not as bad as you'd think.