Ssd drives on sever! Nice! Thanks dedico! See ya at xbiz next week! - GoFuckYourself.com

boneprone · 02-04-2011, 12:39 PM

I just got a server with some SSD Drives on it from dedico.com upon them suggesting it.
Wow. Anyone try SSD drives? Nice!!

Thanks Dedico for always looking out for me and putting these perverted ideas in my head! So friggin happy.. You guys are great!

If anyone is going to XBIZ next week and you see these guys, flash em the BP4L handsign and say hello. Some great guys over there. Especially Costa.. AKA Cyandin

Great prices man. Thanks again Dedico.

See you at XBiz!

Better practice that BP4L handsign..

boneprone · 02-04-2011, 12:41 PM

Just a reminder what the BP4L handsign should look like in case your forget.

pristine · 02-04-2011, 12:42 PM

who cares.

borked · 02-04-2011, 12:45 PM

I agree, SSDs are great - 6 of the servers I manage run on them and they help keep disk I/O down. However, as soon as you need anything >80GB (for eg), you are forced to put your web servers onto SAS drives (at best) and then you're right back to square 1 for disk I/O

For a mysql server, 100% agree, for the rest bleh.

--- surely you could have come up with a better plug for dedico than that!

borked · 02-04-2011, 12:51 PM

2x 4x 2x 2.40+ GHz Processor
48GB RAM
24TB SAS
10Gbs NIC
128 Mbs bandwidth
512 IPs

for $400/month

That would have been a real plug, but no, dedico can't offer that (though if you are interested in that offer, hit me up....)

boneprone · 02-04-2011, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

I agree, SSDs are great - 6 of the servers I manage run on them and they help keep disk I/O down. However, as soon as you need anything >80GB (for eg), you are forced to put your web servers onto SAS drives (at best) and then you're right back to square 1 for disk I/O

For a mysql server, 100% agree, for the rest bleh.

--- surely you could have come up with a better plug for dedico than that!

Mysql was fucked. Bad.. the SSD fixed it. Been an on going problem. They hooked it up for me. Just wanted to give thanks.

And yes I know all about large drives too. When you have over 6 million hits a day you tend to know all about the larger drives.

pristine · 02-04-2011, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

2x 4x 2x 2.40+ GHz Processor
48GB RAM
24TB SAS
10Gbs NIC
128 Mbs bandwidth
512 IPs

for $400/month

That would have been a real plug, but no, dedico can't offer that (though if you are interested in that offer, hit me up....)

holy fucking shit, that's nice

boneprone · 02-04-2011, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

2x 4x 2x 2.40+ GHz Processor
48GB RAM
24TB SAS
10Gbs NIC
128 Mbs bandwidth
512 IPs

for $400/month

That would have been a real plug, but no, dedico can't offer that (though if you are interested in that offer, hit me up....)

I already have my team of guys and companies I host with. But what im more itnrested in is your traffic. Are you a host or a site owner? Lets talk traffic. I only talk hosting with Family..

boneprone · 02-04-2011, 01:02 PM

Anyhow. I had never heard of these flash like drives before pretty cool. Ok now back to my thing.. Not here to get into price debates.

See you negrows at XBiz.

st0ned · 02-04-2011, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

2x 4x 2x 2.40+ GHz Processor
48GB RAM
24TB SAS
10Gbs NIC
128 Mbs bandwidth
512 IPs

for $400/month

That would have been a real plug, but no, dedico can't offer that (though if you are interested in that offer, hit me up....)

Is this a joke?

marketsmart · 02-04-2011, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

2x 4x 2x 2.40+ GHz Processor
48GB RAM
24TB SAS
10Gbs NIC
128 Mbs bandwidth
512 IPs

for $400/month

That would have been a real plug, but no, dedico can't offer that (though if you are interested in that offer, hit me up....)

12 2TB drives?

.

borked · 02-04-2011, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st0ned

Is this a joke?

not at all - setup isn't $0 though

in all honesty, setup is $760 for the IPs and $2800 for the server. The 24->48GB ram extension is $800

But hey, for $4300 setup, you get a frikken MONSTER

boneprone · 02-04-2011, 01:12 PM

lol.....

borked · 02-04-2011, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart

12 2TB drives?

exactly, so that would be RAID1 setup...

you could go to 72TB for an extra $300/mo
And if that just isn't enough, well, I bow to you (and tell you get another server to increase your capacity to 144TB)

borked · 02-04-2011, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone

When you have over 6 million hits a day you tend to know all about the larger drives.

Only 6 million? I'm hitting a steady 12-15 million per day and the server isn't even sweating.

However, my traffic is very different to yours.

And no, it isn't for trade or sale

--edit

Code:

Current Time: Friday, 04-Feb-2011 21:17:09 CET
Restart Time: Monday, 31-Jan-2011 04:02:06 CET
Parent Server Generation: 4
Server uptime: 4 days 17 hours 15 minutes 2 seconds
Total accesses: 66264443
CPU Usage: u267.93 s32.43 cu.23 cs0 - .0737% CPU load
163 requests/sec
169 requests currently being processed, 48 idle workers
..KKCKKK_C_KKK_.C_KKKKKKKKK.KKK_KKKK_.K__KKCC_KCKC_KK_.KKR.R_CKK
_CCK_KK__KKKKR_CKKKRK___K_R_K_K.___CKKRKC_.CK__KK_K.KK._CCKCK_KC
K_KKCCRKKW_CKR.C__KKKCKKKRKKKCKK.KKWCKK.RRRKKCKKCKK_.CCKKCKC_.C_
K_KK.K.K_KKKKKCK._KKK_K_KC.KK_KK.KKKK.K.K_KRK_K....._...........
................................................................
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ie an avg of 14m hits/day and the server is at load 0.07
and the only reason for an apache restart 4 days ago was to make live changes in php.ini

Cyandin · 02-04-2011, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

2x 4x 2x 2.40+ GHz Processor
48GB RAM
24TB SAS
10Gbs NIC
128 Mbs bandwidth
512 IPs

for $400/month

That would have been a real plug, but no, dedico can't offer that (though if you are interested in that offer, hit me up....)

Is this your attempt at thread hijacking?

1. 2x 4x 2x - What is this supposed to mean? 16 processors? Dual Quad Dual? If you mean a setup with 4 Physical sockets, each occupied by a quadcore processor, you should have said "4x Quadcore <Intel/AMD> Processors at x.xghz, totaling 16 logical cores"

2. 24TB SAS - Really? Well, you could use the newer 1TB SAS drives that are only 7200rpm (instead of 15,000rpm, thus negating much of the benefit of SAS), and those drives cost $650 each. That's $15,600 just in hard drives. That's the only possible way to fit a raw volume of 24TB in one physical server, unless you move up to an exotic 48-bay chassis.

3. 10Gbs NIC - Sure you can buy these cards to go in a server, but in reality very few servers push over 2gbps. If you're doing even that much you can use a 4x1000mbps or 2x1000mbps copper NIC and port-channel the interfaces. So this is in fact unrealistic excepting very rare high-end enterprise configurations.

4. 128Mbs Bandwidth - This isn't RAM, buddy. It's bandwidth, and I've never seen it sold in such a denomination. 100mbps, 125mbps, 150mbps? Sure. But not 128. Not to say it's not possible, it's just done.

5. 512 IP's - That two Class-C's. Most reputable hosts, along with full ARIN (or other RIR) justification, require around $1/Ip for large allocations.

In summary, I'm telling you you're full of shit, you know nothing about servers or hosting, and to fuck off and learn some manners. I wouldn't barge in a thread praising you with such childish behavior, so kindly

Note: A server with four physical sockets, each with a quadcore processor, 48gb ram, 10gbps NIC card, and 24 1TB SAS drives will literally cost around $22,000 - so with 512 Ip's and for $400/month- I think not.

boneprone · 02-04-2011, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

Only 6 million? I'm hitting a steady 12-15 million per day and the server isn't even sweating.

However, my traffic is very different to yours.

And no, it isn't for trade or sale

Your traffic isnt for sale? WTF?
I think you should reconsider that and at least see what I can offer.

Starting to think maybe, just maybe, you arent for real.. Ehh?

boneprone · 02-04-2011, 01:25 PM

Anyhow.... Borked.. If you want to sell some traffic, you dont even have to send it to me, im just looking to buy some ads on your shit, let me know.

If your numbers are for real, id like to make you my friend!

borked · 02-04-2011, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyandin

Is this your attempt at thread hijacking?

It's friday evening for me and I'm in a mischievous mood.... I'm not at all selling this, just saying what can be gotten. So no, I'm not hijacking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyandin

1. 2x 4x 2x - What is this supposed to mean? 16 processors? Dual Quad Dual? If you mean a setup with 4 Physical sockets, each occupied by a quadcore processor, you should have said "4x Quadcore <Intel/AMD> Processors at x.xghz, totaling 16 logical cores"

Ehm, that would be two x quad dual core processors, yes like you said, dual quad dual core. Was that difficult, you figured it out?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyandin

2. 24TB SAS - Really? Well, you could use the newer 1TB SAS drives that are only 7200rpm (instead of 15,000rpm, thus negating much of the benefit of SAS), and those drives cost $650 each. That's $15,600 just in hard drives. That's the only possible way to fit a raw volume of 24TB in one physical server, unless you move up to an exotic 48-bay chassis.

These are 7200 NLSAS drives. In fact let's cut to the chase and eliminate your other points trying to negate the server - they are Dell Powervault MD3200 servers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyandin

3. 10Gbs NIC - Sure you can buy these cards to go in a server, but in reality very few servers push over 2gbps. If you're doing even that much you can use a 4x1000mbps or 2x1000mbps copper NIC and port-channel the interfaces. So this is in fact unrealistic excepting very rare high-end enterprise configurations.

10gbs IS important, when you have a private LAN infrastructure... *that* is the importance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyandin

4. 128Mbs Bandwidth - This isn't RAM, buddy. It's bandwidth, and I've never seen it sold in such a denomination. 100mbps, 125mbps, 150mbps? Sure. But not 128. Not to say it's not possible, it's just done.

Well, it is 128Mbs w/ $18/mbs overage

And if you think it's crap bandwidth, give me a server in eg San Diego or New York, and I guarantee I can max out your connection on a download from one of these servers in Paris. And the traceroute will show only 6-8 hops. Guaranteed quality bandwidth, since they have a DC dedicated to these high quality servers.

--edit, I'm wrong, it's 123Mbs burstable to 10Gbs. That clarifies it :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyandin

5. 512 IP's - That two Class-C's. Most reputable hosts, along with full ARIN (or other RIR) justification, require around $1/Ip for large allocations.

Well, sorry to bring it to you, but this is from one of Europe's largest providers, so there goes your debunk. Unless of course, anything outside the US is second quality.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyandin

In summary, I'm telling you you're full of shit, you know nothing about servers or hosting, and to fuck off and learn some manners. I wouldn't barge in a thread praising you with such childish behavior, so kindly

borked · 02-04-2011, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone

Anyhow.... Borked.. If you want to sell some traffic, you dont even have to send it to me, im just looking to buy some ads on your shit, let me know.

If your numbers are for real, id like to make you my friend!

they very much are for real, but those millions of hits per day are pure B2B hits. Not end surfers, so resale value === 0

my largest clients - Google (no longer since the death of wave), the Brazilian govt (since July) and Sony Europe (since Dec). I have no confidentiality agreements so I can speak their names. By hitting their site, you will see I am not lying.

boneprone · 02-04-2011, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

they very much are for real, but those millions of hits per day are pure B2B hits. Not end surfers, so resale value === 0

Ahhhhh!! I see what you are up to now.

Xer0 · 02-04-2011, 02:10 PM

Oh - so you only just got an SSD?
Pat yourself on the back.

boneprone · 02-04-2011, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xer0

Oh - so you only just got an SSD?
Pat yourself on the back.

Yep.. 15 of em.. For free.

AliGbone · 02-04-2011, 02:40 PM

Dedico!
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NOT!!!

Cyandin · 02-04-2011, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

It's friday evening for me and I'm in a mischievous mood.... I'm not at all selling this, just saying what can be gotten. So no, I'm not hijacking.

Regardless, it's in poor taste.

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

Ehm, that would be two x quad dual core processors, yes like you said, dual quad dual core. Was that difficult, you figured it out?

I don't claim to be the most knowledgeable about anything so I'll just come right out and say that this still doesn't really make sense. Are you saying there are two physical sockets, each of which are actually octocores, such as the Beckton series L7555 or X7550? If so, your way of wording it is still very cryptic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

These are 7200 NLSAS drives. In fact let's cut to the chase and eliminate your other points trying to negate the server - they are Dell Powervault MD3200 servers.

Again, trying to keep it humble here and not assume too much, but I believed the PV MD3200 series is actually a DAS unit, not a standalone server. So I emailed my Dell rep who wrote me back - verbatim:

==
Das…..but two controllers on the unit that include ( raid, memory, battery,proc). 8 ports….4 redundant. The md3200i is considered an entry level San ( Iscsi version…connect through a switch and not directly to servers)
==

This was in response to me asking:

==
Is this a DAS or a real server? Does it take CPU's and RAM?
==

Again, I'm not assuming anything here, but my feedback from my Dell rep doesn't match up with your specs+model number, and I have deployed PowerVault units before and in my experience they again were usually DAS units using external SCSI back to a main server - usually a PowerEdge.

Furthermore, 1TB NLSAS drives are still every expensive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

10gbs IS important, when you have a private LAN infrastructure... *that* is the importance.

Well, it is 128Mbs w/ $18/mbs overage

And if you think it's crap bandwidth, give me a server in eg San Diego or New York, and I guarantee I can max out your connection on a download from one of these servers in Paris. And the traceroute will show only 6-8 hops. Guaranteed quality bandwidth, since they have a DC dedicated to these high quality servers.

--edit, I'm wrong, it's 123Mbs burstable to 10Gbs. That clarifies it :P

Well, sorry to bring it to you, but this is from one of Europe's largest providers, so there goes your debunk. Unless of course, anything outside the US is second quality.

So, 123mbps, burstable to 10gbps, with overages at $18/mbps? Did I read that right? You're paying for a 120mbps commit (which at a very very competitive price of $2/mbps is still $240 of the $400 you mentioned), but you need to be able to burst up to 81.3 times higher than that 123mbps? At the rate you mentioned, if you actually used even half of the 10gbps you can burst up to, you would be looking at an $87,000 bandwidth bill.

In conclusion, aside from my feelings that your comments in a thread where BP was merely citing his satisfaction with us, I do not see the economics of how such a server could be offered to you for such a price. Even if the bandwidth commit of 123mbps was only in at $1/mbps, you're still looking at eating $123/month out of your $400/month claim.

Furthermore, even if that was in place, you're claiming that the remaining $277/month is getting you a server that - from what I can tell - is a DAS unit (which is still a kickass machine, but it needs a real server to piggyback onto), and whose value would likely eclipse $20k. Even with the $4300 setup you mentioned, anyone can do the math on the ROI on such a deal. This does not even get into the value of the IP space.

So, as much as it is tempting to use more colorful expression once more as to your claim, I will just pass the ball back to you by saying that your statement does not add up to me, but please feel free to correct me if I am confused here.

borked · 02-04-2011, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyandin

Regardless, it's in poor taste.

I don't claim to be the most knowledgeable about anything so I'll just come right out and say that this still doesn't really make sense. Are you saying there are two physical sockets, each of which are actually octocores, such as the Beckton series L7555 or X7550? If so, your way of wording it is still very cryptic.

Again, trying to keep it humble here and not assume too much, but I believed the PV MD3200 series is actually a DAS unit, not a standalone server. So I emailed my Dell rep who wrote me back - verbatim:

==
Das…..but two controllers on the unit that include ( raid, memory, battery,proc). 8 ports….4 redundant. The md3200i is considered an entry level San ( Iscsi version…connect through a switch and not directly to servers)
==

This was in response to me asking:

==
Is this a DAS or a real server? Does it take CPU's and RAM?
==

Again, I'm not assuming anything here, but my feedback from my Dell rep doesn't match up with your specs+model number, and I have deployed PowerVault units before and in my experience they again were usually DAS units using external SCSI back to a main server - usually a PowerEdge.

Furthermore, 1TB NLSAS drives are still every expensive.

So, 123mbps, burstable to 10gbps, with overages at $18/mbps? Did I read that right? You're paying for a 120mbps commit (which at a very very competitive price of $2/mbps is still $240 of the $400 you mentioned), but you need to be able to burst up to 81.3 times higher than that 123mbps? At the rate you mentioned, if you actually used even half of the 10gbps you can burst up to, you would be looking at an $87,000 bandwidth bill.

In conclusion, aside from my feelings that your comments in a thread where BP was merely citing his satisfaction with us, I do not see the economics of how such a server could be offered to you for such a price. Even if the bandwidth commit of 123mbps was only in at $1/mbps, you're still looking at eating $123/month out of your $400/month claim.

Furthermore, even if that was in place, you're claiming that the remaining $277/month is getting you a server that - from what I can tell - is a DAS unit (which is still a kickass machine, but it needs a real server to piggyback onto), and whose value would likely eclipse $20k. Even with the $4300 setup you mentioned, anyone can do the math on the ROI on such a deal. This does not even get into the value of the IP space.

So, as much as it is tempting to use more colorful expression once more as to your claim, I will just pass the ball back to you by saying that your statement does not add up to me, but please feel free to correct me if I am confused here.

This is a 100% DELL machine setup. OVH, the people selling this thing has god knows how many people using this setup, but enough to dedicate their entire infrastructure to:

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PURELY for these data storage monsters. Given that 1. they are one of (if not the biggest) European service provider, 2. they have an entire infrastructure dedicated to delivering the highest quality bandwidth to these "high paying" customers, and 3. They are 100% Dell solutions, is it possible that your Dell contact is not quite the same high level contact they have? God forbid that Dell might combine one of their Powervault units with one of their PowerEdge offereings to one of the largest internet providers in Europe for a special deal? Never been heard of.

Just because you can't believe it's real, doesn't mean it isn't. It is, I have known of their existence for 8 years, but only just moved to them when a client of mine went with them and I was responsible for their infrastructure.

US traffic to these sites don't notice any lag (the sites were moved from San Diego to Paris) and the analytics showed no extra lag at all. In fact, Google labs showed an overall 70% imporovement in site load speed, fwiw.

I am not selling this shit, just saying there are spectacular offers out there with real deals for real systems to be made. If it would make you happier that I offer it you for 1k$/mo as a reseller, then fine. I can.

As far as bandwidth goes - of course, you can end up with a frikken enormous bill, but you have to know your sites' usage to know it is impossible to spike that. Most high end servers offer 1Gbs with eg 10mbps burstable bandwidth included. What do you thing that burstable means? It means you can burst it to 1Gbs if you want - if you do that 24/7, you're also gonna end up with a frikken massive bill. duh.

To be able to send data from server to server within a private lan at 10Gbs is, believe me a frikken god send. It means you can have a load-balanced setup of low-grade servers all connected to your main storage beast over NFS and not worry about any downtime.

I managed 15 servers that got shrunk to 1 beast, 1 db, and 3 webs and I can tell you, there is no frikken comparison.

--edit - no, the config I gave with the prices is what you get. Whether you can understand the ROI logic behind it or not, it is irrelevant. A DC infrastructure is dedicated to it and actively being exploited by those that want to benefit from such a great deal.

DateDoc · 02-04-2011, 03:17 PM

Nice - I need to look into ssd.

borked · 02-04-2011, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyandin

Furthermore, 1TB NLSAS drives are still every expensive.

I said they were 12 2TB drives in relation to another answer. 2 quad dual cores are also expensive. So are 10Gb nics, put it all together with 1hr onsite dell warranty from dell and it becomes something quite extra-ordinarily expensive, like you are realising. Offer in 40TB of bandwidth/mo on premium pipes, served by 512 impossible-to-get IPs and well it's out of your range.

Strange though how I'm managing one (minus the 512 IPs) and can see the massive difference in bandwidth throughput between a server in the same DC and the storage server in the dedicated DC. It's all in my imagination, because you say it isn't possible.

--edit
welcome to the big boy DCs... don't expect any support as far as "can you add a new site to my box" or "my mysql crashed and I don't know why". If there's a hardware problem, they will fix it in under 1 hr or your month's hosting fees back. Anything else, you can pay me to manage it ;)

borked · 02-04-2011, 03:28 PM

sorry BP - I'm sure dedico are great and your sql servers are gonna push those flash drives to their limit - you won't be sorry!

boneprone · 02-04-2011, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

sorry BP - I'm sure dedico are great and your sql servers are gonna push those flash drives to their limit - you won't be sorry!

Yeah i hope so! So far these drives are pretty cool. I know I sound like a newbie, but for me these drives are new and pretty cool.

st0ned · 02-04-2011, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

not at all - setup isn't $0 though

in all honesty, setup is $760 for the IPs and $2800 for the server. The 24->48GB ram extension is $800

But hey, for $4300 setup, you get a frikken MONSTER

Hmm interesting. With the amount I am currently spending on hosting, I would recoup that setup cost in no time.

I won't jack the thread anymore than it already has been but expect an email from me soon.

Spudstr · 02-04-2011, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyandin

Regardless, it's in poor taste.

I don't claim to be the most knowledgeable about anything so I'll just come right out and say that this still doesn't really make sense. Are you saying there are two physical sockets, each of which are actually octocores, such as the Beckton series L7555 or X7550? If so, your way of wording it is still very cryptic.

Again, trying to keep it humble here and not assume too much, but I believed the PV MD3200 series is actually a DAS unit, not a standalone server. So I emailed my Dell rep who wrote me back - verbatim:

==
Das?..but two controllers on the unit that include ( raid, memory, battery,proc). 8 ports?.4 redundant. The md3200i is considered an entry level San ( Iscsi version?connect through a switch and not directly to servers)
==

This was in response to me asking:

==
Is this a DAS or a real server? Does it take CPU's and RAM?
==

Again, I'm not assuming anything here, but my feedback from my Dell rep doesn't match up with your specs+model number, and I have deployed PowerVault units before and in my experience they again were usually DAS units using external SCSI back to a main server - usually a PowerEdge.

Furthermore, 1TB NLSAS drives are still every expensive.

So, 123mbps, burstable to 10gbps, with overages at $18/mbps? Did I read that right? You're paying for a 120mbps commit (which at a very very competitive price of $2/mbps is still $240 of the $400 you mentioned), but you need to be able to burst up to 81.3 times higher than that 123mbps? At the rate you mentioned, if you actually used even half of the 10gbps you can burst up to, you would be looking at an $87,000 bandwidth bill.

In conclusion, aside from my feelings that your comments in a thread where BP was merely citing his satisfaction with us, I do not see the economics of how such a server could be offered to you for such a price. Even if the bandwidth commit of 123mbps was only in at $1/mbps, you're still looking at eating $123/month out of your $400/month claim.

Furthermore, even if that was in place, you're claiming that the remaining $277/month is getting you a server that - from what I can tell - is a DAS unit (which is still a kickass machine, but it needs a real server to piggyback onto), and whose value would likely eclipse $20k. Even with the $4300 setup you mentioned, anyone can do the math on the ROI on such a deal. This does not even get into the value of the IP space.

So, as much as it is tempting to use more colorful expression once more as to your claim, I will just pass the ball back to you by saying that your statement does not add up to me, but please feel free to correct me if I am confused here.

OVH has been known for their stupid low pricing for servers that wont make sense to you or I in the states, but somehow OVH pulls it off.. and does it well. With the 50k+ servers they host they can do whatever they want.

TubeSubmitters · 02-04-2011, 10:41 PM

OVH is pretty cool, got two servers there.

Supz · 02-05-2011, 12:15 AM

SSD will be the standard in a few years. It will take over the SAS market. I think know the technology is a little young for most people to use. It is also quite expensive.

Boneprone. ( i know they were for free, just asking)

Were you using SAS drives before? I can't imagine how the right SAS drives wouldnt be able to handle mysql unless you are running multiple DBs and there websites off of one server. Do you have a seperate machine for DBs and Web files? I know most adult scripts arent built for this but it is normal mainstream business this is standard practice practices. How many servers do you have in your farm? Has your host ever come to you about virtualization using shared storage?

as for borked. whoever is charging those prices either stole the servers or plans on having people sign 10 year leases with those prices. I know what those parts cost from distribution at the highest level of dell partnership and it just makes no sense what so ever. Just doesn't add up.

Most SANs these days are just servers built with some custom built OS on them that has software features such as snap shots, deduplication, SAN to SAN replication so on so forth. It doesnt mean you cant reinstall a regular OS on it, but no one in there right mind would do so. The reason why you pay so much for a SAN is for the software. Not the hardware. Dell Equallogics are just Dell servers jammed with disk. It is the OS that people are paying for, instead of building a box themselves.

Supz · 02-05-2011, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone

Yeah i hope so! So far these drives are pretty cool. I know I sound like a newbie, but for me these drives are new and pretty cool.

For everyone these drives are pretty cool and new

.

borked · 02-05-2011, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supz

as for borked. whoever is charging those prices either stole the servers or plans on having people sign 10 year leases with those prices. I know what those parts cost from distribution at the highest level of dell partnership and it just makes no sense what so ever. Just doesn't add up.

neither, you can take one of them and then drop it in 1 month if you wish to waste your cash. I guess their logic is anyone taking one of those is going to be using it for at least 2 years (provide the excellent peering that they do, why would you move?) and so they are already making a profit. If you know what you're doing with a server, or have your own capable sysadmin, OVH is for you. Which counts out 95% of people here.

They are the largest B2B ISP in Europe, they have the largest network infrastructure in Europe and even have transatlantic pipes plugging directly into their own DC. They are also a beauty in peering, with 5 hops (2 in their DC) to New York and 6 hops to San Diego, from Paris.

They also offer me unlimited telephone lines (for $1.35/line/mo) unlimited European telephone numbers ($1.35 per # per month) with unlimited calling to 40 countries (I have 3 lines, 1 fax and 12 numbers for various projects I'm working on), with all the tools to setup my server as a call center, a free Cisco WifI phone that I can take anywhere in the world with an internet connection and call for free. For my enemies, I can have my server call them up daily at 3am to tell them "Hello". I have a number that I configured where when I call it on my cell phone (a freephone number) it asks me for my code, and which number I want to dial, and it then calls it, which means I can call internationally on my cell phone for free (and anonymously). All that for what, less than $20/mo.
For an extra $1.35/mo I could have a premium rate number where my server will distribute audiotel codes (micropayments) - hey I'd be my own biller of micropayments and it would cost me nothing.

I've just signed up for their ADSL offer, which will give me unlimited 28Mbs ADSL for $13/mo, saving me $20/mo when my current provider is cut.

Why are their prices so low? Well, I guess it's because they own their entire infrastructure, internet, DCs, telco, DSL, so it costs them zero, so everything nomatter how little, is pure profit. And they are not greedy, which is how they got to where they are today. The servers cost money, for sure. But for the vast majority of their clients they offer white box solutions and for their high end clients, they strike a deal with dell, add some serious installation costs to weed out the men from the boys and then give them their own dedicated internet infrastructure for the best quality in bandwidth and connectivity and so they know they will stay with them.

I guess that's the business logic behind it.

Do I care, do I hell, cos I love them and they aren't going anywhere. Have a look at this backbone map (live updated) - those boxes on the top row are their transits to the world. Have a look around at some of the names on those peering points. Lots of big-boy names (French, European and global) on there, all paying them to house their shit with this company. I don't think they will be paying $400/mo for the privilege...

Supz · 02-05-2011, 01:26 AM

borked: the prices on there website are in black and white. So i can't argue with you there. It is a lot for the money. As you say if they arent doing any managed services then they can afford to have a less per client cost. But hardware is still pricey and they still have to pay for bandwidth. They cant just rely on one source of traffic. You have to have redundant providers, which you still have to pay. But if you dont have a sysadmin working unless he is creating an income is a pretty niche market these days. In the old days of hosting this was standard. That crushed the dedicated server market back then. People realized they didnt need or have the time to run a dedicated and went back to shared accounts. The managed server market has opened up the market again to a lot of people who would never run a dedicated if they had to pay a sys admin. Mainly for cost purposes.

borked · 02-05-2011, 01:46 AM

yup, which is why I said OVH wasn't for 95% of GFY (prolly more like 99%). I know my way around everything in a Linux box, so I'm all set, and people pay me to admin their infrastructure, so yes it is exactly how you say. I love this bare bones setup though - I know what I'm doing, so why do I have to pay high for it? Just 3 weeks ago I had a server playing up on me (kernel panic at least daily). OVH provide all the tools but do nothing, so I booted it into safe mode, ran their tests which said a memory stick was faulty. I opened a ticket and in 10 mins, no lie, the entire 12GB was replaced - they didn't even bother asking which stick was faulty. That is what *I* want - the tools available to do anything I want remotely, but it isn't for everyone, for sure.

--edit they do offer cpanel et al to cater for the 'be your own sysadmin' crowd, which is what a lot of "unmanaged dedicated server" providers do, and there are a lot of those around...

LeRoy · 02-05-2011, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

Have a look at this backbone map (live updated) - those boxes on the top row are their transits to the world. .

That's one serious backbone

Supz · 02-05-2011, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeRoy

That's one serious backbone

How about this one?

Spudstr · 02-05-2011, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

neither, you can take one of them and then drop it in 1 month if you wish to waste your cash. I guess their logic is anyone taking one of those is going to be using it for at least 2 years (provide the excellent peering that they do, why would you move?) and so they are already making a profit. If you know what you're doing with a server, or have your own capable sysadmin, OVH is for you. Which counts out 95% of people here.

They are the largest B2B ISP in Europe, they have the largest network infrastructure in Europe and even have transatlantic pipes plugging directly into their own DC. They are also a beauty in peering, with 5 hops (2 in their DC) to New York and 6 hops to San Diego, from Paris.

They also offer me unlimited telephone lines (for $1.35/line/mo) unlimited European telephone numbers ($1.35 per # per month) with unlimited calling to 40 countries (I have 3 lines, 1 fax and 12 numbers for various projects I'm working on), with all the tools to setup my server as a call center, a free Cisco WifI phone that I can take anywhere in the world with an internet connection and call for free. For my enemies, I can have my server call them up daily at 3am to tell them "Hello". I have a number that I configured where when I call it on my cell phone (a freephone number) it asks me for my code, and which number I want to dial, and it then calls it, which means I can call internationally on my cell phone for free (and anonymously). All that for what, less than $20/mo.
For an extra $1.35/mo I could have a premium rate number where my server will distribute audiotel codes (micropayments) - hey I'd be my own biller of micropayments and it would cost me nothing.

I've just signed up for their ADSL offer, which will give me unlimited 28Mbs ADSL for $13/mo, saving me $20/mo when my current provider is cut.

Why are their prices so low? Well, I guess it's because they own their entire infrastructure, internet, DCs, telco, DSL, so it costs them zero, so everything nomatter how little, is pure profit. And they are not greedy, which is how they got to where they are today. The servers cost money, for sure. But for the vast majority of their clients they offer white box solutions and for their high end clients, they strike a deal with dell, add some serious installation costs to weed out the men from the boys and then give them their own dedicated internet infrastructure for the best quality in bandwidth and connectivity and so they know they will stay with them.

I guess that's the business logic behind it.

Do I care, do I hell, cos I love them and they aren't going anywhere. Have a look at this backbone map (live updated) - those boxes on the top row are their transits to the world. Have a look around at some of the names on those peering points. Lots of big-boy names (French, European and global) on there, all paying them to house their shit with this company. I don't think they will be paying $400/mo for the privilege...

You do realize that OVH's network consists of about 90% peering in EU and their US connectivity has been.. awful. Just look on WHT about speed/issues going to the states.

If your target audience is in the US OVH is not the place to host.

react · 02-05-2011, 11:14 AM

That OVH utilization map is intense.

borked · 02-05-2011, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr

You do realize that OVH's network consists of about 90% peering in EU and their US connectivity has been.. awful. Just look on WHT about speed/issues going to the states.

If your target audience is in the US OVH is not the place to host.

Huh?

Here is a me simulating a person in San Diego trying to grab a file from Paris:

Traceroute from my server to person in SD (ie the path the file will take)

Code:

 traceroute 204.152.194.186
traceroute to 204.152.194.186 (204.152.194.186), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  vss-3-6k.fr.eu (188.165.240.254)  285.105 ms * *
 2  rbx-g2-a9.fr.eu (213.251.130.78)  0.598 ms  0.887 ms  0.885 ms
 3  ams-5-6k.nl.eu (91.121.131.174)  5.709 ms ams-5-6k.nl.eu (91.121.131.170)  5.689 ms *
 4  ams-ix.ams01.mzima.net (195.69.144.73)  7.356 ms  7.580 ms  7.321 ms
 5  te0-4.cr1.was2.us.packetexchange.net (69.174.120.101)  104.539 ms  104.546 ms  104.542 ms
 6  te1-3.cr1.atl1.us.packetexchange.net (69.174.120.53)  109.415 ms  108.909 ms  108.626 ms
 7  te0-1.cr1.dal1.us.packetexchange.net (69.174.120.49)  125.572 ms  138.206 ms  138.161 ms
 8  te1-1.cr1.phx1.us.packetexchange.net (69.174.120.37)  155.621 ms  155.618 ms  155.393 ms
 9  te1-1.cr1.lax1.us.packetexchange.net (69.174.120.33)  159.709 ms  159.681 ms  159.678 ms
10  lax01.10ge.oc3net.cust.packetexchange.net (216.193.192.154)  156.137 ms  156.128 ms  156.115 ms
11  lax9-r3.6509.quadranet.com (66.63.163.238)  156.768 ms  156.236 ms  156.207 ms
12  204.152.194.186.static.quadranet.com (204.152.194.186)  157.142 ms  157.094 ms  157.093 ms

Notice, it left the Paris DC on hop2 (went east!) then reached California on hop 9. 7 hops from DC to DC.

Now download from server in Paris to Server in SD:

Code:

wget http://borkedcoder.com/tmp/OVH-MAG-2010.pdf
--2011-02-05 10:26:39--  http://borkedcoder.com/tmp/OVH-MAG-2010.pdf
Resolving borkedcoder.com... 178.33.218.112
Connecting to borkedcoder.com|178.33.218.112|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 94042839 (90M) [application/pdf]
Saving to: `OVH-MAG-2010.pdf'

100%[============================================================================================================================================================================================================>] 94,042,839  16.13M/s   in 7s     

2011-02-05 10:26:46 (12.5 MB/s) - `OVH-MAG-2010.pdf' saved [94042839/94042839]

Both servers have 100Mbs ports, and the SD server is downloading at *exactly* 100Mbs.

Where's the problem? I'd say that is damn great connectivity.

borked · 02-05-2011, 11:37 AM

Go ahead - download that Magazine of theirs from last year (it's all in french though) - makes excellent geek reading!

fuzebox · 02-05-2011, 12:04 PM

I love when geeks argue!

Spudstr · 02-05-2011, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

Huh?

Here is a me simulating a person in San Diego trying to grab a file from Paris:

Traceroute from my server to person in SD (ie the path the file will take)

Code:

 traceroute 204.152.194.186
traceroute to 204.152.194.186 (204.152.194.186), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  vss-3-6k.fr.eu (188.165.240.254)  285.105 ms * *
 2  rbx-g2-a9.fr.eu (213.251.130.78)  0.598 ms  0.887 ms  0.885 ms
 3  ams-5-6k.nl.eu (91.121.131.174)  5.709 ms ams-5-6k.nl.eu (91.121.131.170)  5.689 ms *
 4  ams-ix.ams01.mzima.net (195.69.144.73)  7.356 ms  7.580 ms  7.321 ms
 5  te0-4.cr1.was2.us.packetexchange.net (69.174.120.101)  104.539 ms  104.546 ms  104.542 ms
 6  te1-3.cr1.atl1.us.packetexchange.net (69.174.120.53)  109.415 ms  108.909 ms  108.626 ms
 7  te0-1.cr1.dal1.us.packetexchange.net (69.174.120.49)  125.572 ms  138.206 ms  138.161 ms
 8  te1-1.cr1.phx1.us.packetexchange.net (69.174.120.37)  155.621 ms  155.618 ms  155.393 ms
 9  te1-1.cr1.lax1.us.packetexchange.net (69.174.120.33)  159.709 ms  159.681 ms  159.678 ms
10  lax01.10ge.oc3net.cust.packetexchange.net (216.193.192.154)  156.137 ms  156.128 ms  156.115 ms
11  lax9-r3.6509.quadranet.com (66.63.163.238)  156.768 ms  156.236 ms  156.207 ms
12  204.152.194.186.static.quadranet.com (204.152.194.186)  157.142 ms  157.094 ms  157.093 ms

Notice, it left the Paris DC on hop2 (went east!) then reached California on hop 9. 7 hops from DC to DC.

Now download from server in Paris to Server in SD:

Code:

wget http://borkedcoder.com/tmp/OVH-MAG-2010.pdf
--2011-02-05 10:26:39--  http://borkedcoder.com/tmp/OVH-MAG-2010.pdf
Resolving borkedcoder.com... 178.33.218.112
Connecting to borkedcoder.com|178.33.218.112|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 94042839 (90M) [application/pdf]
Saving to: `OVH-MAG-2010.pdf'

100%[============================================================================================================================================================================================================>] 94,042,839  16.13M/s   in 7s     

2011-02-05 10:26:46 (12.5 MB/s) - `OVH-MAG-2010.pdf' saved [94042839/94042839]

Both servers have 100Mbs ports, and the SD server is downloading at *exactly* 100Mbs.

Where's the problem? I'd say that is damn great connectivity.

I'm not sure what part of peering vs transit you don't understand. When you can figure out what peering is and what transit is please let me know.

borked · 02-05-2011, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr

I'm not sure what part of peering vs transit you don't understand. When you can figure out what peering is and what transit is please let me know.

ehm, ok - I showed you good peering and good transit.

OVH has 5 DCs in France, all their own, built by them, owned by them. Their other european routes are their peers. However, they laid the cable to those peering points and own that cable*. Therefore it is their network. All those major peering points are redundant ie in a loop.

What is your point?

*I'm not 100% sure on all those points in their european network, but for the major points, they are their own masters.

borked · 02-05-2011, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr

You do realize that OVH's network consists of about 90% peering in EU

Allez, stick it through Google translate:

Code:

1	Position d?OVH en France dans le domaine de l?hébergement Internet, et en Europe en hébergement de serveurs dédiés
2	Position européenne d?OVH dans le domaine de l?hébergement Internet
3	OVH héberge 1 site internet français sur 3 (source Netcraft) 
12	Nombre de pays européens dans lesquels OVH est présent
15	Le nombre de points de peering d?OVH en Europe
28	Le nombre de points de présence d?OVH en France et en Europe
43	Le temps maximum de panne garantie est de 43min12s
85	Pourcentage de clients OVH qui sont des entreprises 
300	Le trafic généré par OVH (en gigabits par seconde)
600	La capacité de la bande passante d?OVH (en gigabits par seconde)
1999	L? année de création d?OVH
7000	La surface actuelle de l?ensemble des salles d?hébergement (en m2)
12000	La surface exploitable à terme de l?ensemble des salles d?hébergement (en m2)
80000	Le nombre de serveurs gérés par OVH
400000	Le nombre de clients d?OVH en France 
1800000	Le nombres de noms de domaine enregistrés par OVH
6000000	Le nombre d?emails acheminés par jour par OVH

15 points of peering and 28 points of presence != 90% peering
and that was last year - this month they just made major network changes...

400,000 clients cannot be wrong.

all that for a company that is only 12 years old.

CaptainHowdy · 02-05-2011, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone

Just a reminder what the BP4L handsign should look like in case your forget.

Do people still embarrass themselves doing that??

borked · 02-05-2011, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr

You do realize that OVH's network consists of about 90% peering in EU and their US connectivity has been.. awful.

Connectivity to your place for example looks excellent:

Code:

traceroute to yellowfiber.com (67.23.123.226), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  vss-3-6k.fr.eu (188.165.240.254)  1.038 ms * *
 2  rbx-g2-a9.fr.eu (94.23.122.94)  1.872 ms  1.876 ms  1.872 ms
 3  gsw-2-6k.fr.eu (91.121.131.214)  4.028 ms  4.006 ms *
 4  gblx.as3549.fr.eu (213.186.32.129)  4.279 ms  4.286 ms  4.269 ms
 5  po2-20G.ar6.DCA3.gblx.net (67.16.136.238)  86.253 ms  86.224 ms  86.224 ms
 6  xe-3-0-3.ar1.iad1.us.nlayer.net (69.31.31.230)  95.617 ms  95.892 ms  95.873 ms
 7  as40015.xe-6-0-0.ar1.iad1.us.nlayer.net (69.31.30.122)  83.671 ms  83.672 ms  83.661 ms
 8  216.177.157.29 (216.177.157.29)  83.639 ms  83.672 ms  83.635 ms
 9  te5-2.a00.rst.yellowfiber.net (216.177.148.146)  84.796 ms  84.856 ms  84.840 ms
10  67.23.123.226 (67.23.123.226)  90.418 ms  90.626 ms  90.624 ms

the first 4 hops within their infrastructure, oh look, hop 5 it's already in the US, the by 9 it's in your DC.

How does your traceroute to ovh.com look?

So far, I've tested 2 routes to the US and both have been excellent.

Any more?

Cos if not, your call of US connectivity being awful is well, wrong

--edit
go on then let's test some more:

Code:

traceroute to webair.com (209.200.29.36), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  * * *
 2  rbx-g2-a9.fr.eu (94.23.122.94)  0.846 ms  0.851 ms  0.846 ms
 3  gsw-2-6k.fr.eu (91.121.131.214)  4.099 ms th1-1-6k.fr.eu (91.121.131.190)  4.098 ms *
 4  gsw-1-6k.fr.eu (213.186.32.210)  59.756 ms * *
 5  telia.as1299.fr.eu (213.251.130.82)  4.053 ms  4.300 ms  4.041 ms
 6  prs-bb1-link.telia.net (80.91.247.50)  4.617 ms  4.583 ms prs-bb1-link.telia.net (80.91.251.113)  4.544 ms
 7  nyk-bb1-link.telia.net (80.91.253.122)  76.691 ms nyk-bb2-link.telia.net (80.91.253.126)  78.755 ms  78.733 ms
 8  nyk-b4-link.telia.net (80.91.250.97)  78.454 ms  78.451 ms  78.509 ms
 9  webair-126294-nyk-b1.c.telia.net (213.248.82.150)  77.922 ms  76.523 ms  77.844 ms
10  csn010.gsc.webair.net (173.239.0.26)  78.935 ms  77.628 ms  77.751 ms
11  dsn011.gsc.webair.net (173.239.11.198)  77.504 ms  100.812 ms  78.178 ms
12  lbn171.gsc.webair.net (173.239.11.234)  78.951 ms  79.247 ms  77.928 ms

hops 1-6, their backbone, 7 and we're in the US, 10, we're in the destination DC.

Code:

traceroute to mojohost.com (64.59.69.66), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  vss-3-6k.fr.eu (188.165.240.254)  161.994 ms * *
 2  rbx-g2-a9.fr.eu (94.23.122.94)  1.026 ms  1.028 ms  1.024 ms
 3  ams-5-6k.nl.eu (94.23.122.190)  5.855 ms ams-5-6k.nl.eu (91.121.131.174)  5.869 ms *
 4  20gigabitethernet1-3.core1.ams1.he.net (195.69.145.150)  5.838 ms  5.836 ms  5.837 ms
 5  10gigabitethernet4-1.core1.nyc4.he.net (216.66.24.153)  83.284 ms 10gigabitethernet1-4.core1.lon1.he.net (72.52.92.81)  9.072 ms 10gigabitethernet4-1.core1.nyc4.he.net (216.66.24.153)  83.252 ms
 6  10gigabitethernet2-3.core1.nyc4.he.net (72.52.92.77)  79.557 ms 10gigabitethernet2-3.core1.ash1.he.net (72.52.92.86)  94.021 ms  97.056 ms
 7  10gigabitethernet5-3.core1.atl1.he.net (184.105.213.110)  106.526 ms 10gigabitethernet2-3.core1.ash1.he.net (72.52.92.86)  89.465 ms  92.185 ms
 8  10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.mia1.he.net (72.52.92.41)  116.734 ms  116.738 ms  116.725 ms
 9  10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.mia1.he.net (72.52.92.41)  112.036 ms  111.896 ms easyonline.10gigabitethernet1-3.core1.mia1.he.net (209.51.161.102)  119.962 ms
10  easyonline.10gigabitethernet1-3.core1.mia1.he.net (209.51.161.102)  115.276 ms  115.178 ms *

he.net always routes via the NL cos that's their point, but look points 123 their structure to get them to the main transatlantic DC for that route, 5 we're in the US bing done.

Ergo, no problem with hosting with OVH for US-based customers.

Anyone want to send a traceroute of their DC to ovh to see if the same can be said of these US DCs?

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02-04-2011, 03:17 PM	#27
DateDoc Outside looking in. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: To Hell You Ride Posts: 14,243	Nice - I need to look into ssd. __________________

02-04-2011, 03:28 PM	#29
borked Totally Borked Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,284	sorry BP - I'm sure dedico are great and your sql servers are gonna push those flash drives to their limit - you won't be sorry! __________________ For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com (consider figuring out the email as test #1) All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202

02-04-2011, 10:41 PM	#33
TubeSubmitters Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,683	OVH is pretty cool, got two servers there. __________________ Buying sites with income, paying by paxum, hit me up

02-05-2011, 12:15 AM	#34
Supz Arthur Flegenheimer Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 11,056	SSD will be the standard in a few years. It will take over the SAS market. I think know the technology is a little young for most people to use. It is also quite expensive. Boneprone. ( i know they were for free, just asking) Were you using SAS drives before? I can't imagine how the right SAS drives wouldnt be able to handle mysql unless you are running multiple DBs and there websites off of one server. Do you have a seperate machine for DBs and Web files? I know most adult scripts arent built for this but it is normal mainstream business this is standard practice practices. How many servers do you have in your farm? Has your host ever come to you about virtualization using shared storage? as for borked. whoever is charging those prices either stole the servers or plans on having people sign 10 year leases with those prices. I know what those parts cost from distribution at the highest level of dell partnership and it just makes no sense what so ever. Just doesn't add up. Most SANs these days are just servers built with some custom built OS on them that has software features such as snap shots, deduplication, SAN to SAN replication so on so forth. It doesnt mean you cant reinstall a regular OS on it, but no one in there right mind would do so. The reason why you pay so much for a SAN is for the software. Not the hardware. Dell Equallogics are just Dell servers jammed with disk. It is the OS that people are paying for, instead of building a box themselves.

02-05-2011, 01:26 AM	#37
Supz Arthur Flegenheimer Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 11,056	borked: the prices on there website are in black and white. So i can't argue with you there. It is a lot for the money. As you say if they arent doing any managed services then they can afford to have a less per client cost. But hardware is still pricey and they still have to pay for bandwidth. They cant just rely on one source of traffic. You have to have redundant providers, which you still have to pay. But if you dont have a sysadmin working unless he is creating an income is a pretty niche market these days. In the old days of hosting this was standard. That crushed the dedicated server market back then. People realized they didnt need or have the time to run a dedicated and went back to shared accounts. The managed server market has opened up the market again to a lot of people who would never run a dedicated if they had to pay a sys admin. Mainly for cost purposes.

02-05-2011, 01:46 AM	#38
borked Totally Borked Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,284	yup, which is why I said OVH wasn't for 95% of GFY (prolly more like 99%). I know my way around everything in a Linux box, so I'm all set, and people pay me to admin their infrastructure, so yes it is exactly how you say. I love this bare bones setup though - I know what I'm doing, so why do I have to pay high for it? Just 3 weeks ago I had a server playing up on me (kernel panic at least daily). OVH provide all the tools but do nothing, so I booted it into safe mode, ran their tests which said a memory stick was faulty. I opened a ticket and in 10 mins, no lie, the entire 12GB was replaced - they didn't even bother asking which stick was faulty. That is what I want - the tools available to do anything I want remotely, but it isn't for everyone, for sure. --edit they do offer cpanel et al to cater for the 'be your own sysadmin' crowd, which is what a lot of "unmanaged dedicated server" providers do, and there are a lot of those around... __________________ For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com (consider figuring out the email as test #1) All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202 Last edited by borked; 02-05-2011 at 01:58 AM..

02-05-2011, 11:14 AM	#42
react Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NZ Posts: 673	That OVH utilization map is intense. __________________ -- react

02-05-2011, 11:37 AM	#44
borked Totally Borked Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,284	Go ahead - download that Magazine of theirs from last year (it's all in french though) - makes excellent geek reading! __________________ For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com (consider figuring out the email as test #1) All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202

02-05-2011, 12:04 PM	#45
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,031	I love when geeks argue!