MaDalton

yeah, usually i am the one calling people stupid for argueing with him.

but i have to give him that: he's good at making people upset

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Serge Litehead

Total top 100 TPB list
http://thepiratebay.org/top/all

featuring roughly over 30 TV shows (yes I know it's not the percentage of d/ls), who needs cable when you can watch latest for free - this is mentality of people. this mentality is also proven here in adult just by looking at falling signup ratios to paysites and majority of traffic hanging out at largest free tube sites.

I said it before and I say it again, your over 50% legit use of torrents number is pulled out of your incompetent ignorant behind. You are too blind to see what torrents are really used for. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FAIR USE no matter how hard you want to justify that.

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Robbie

And we can all see how far that has gotten him in life!

I've watched him brag about how he could make millions with the "new revenue stream" of piracy for the last couple of years. And yet...he's made NOTHING. And that includes when TheDoc agreed to do provide everything for him. He IMMEDIATELY backpedaled and never sent TheDoc an email.

Fucking hilarious!
He's all talk and no action...unless by "action" you mean stealing shit off the internet!

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gideongallery

do you know how many tv show only bit torrent site there are
tvtorrents.com
eztv.it

did you look at the list

a single episode of true blood out ranks everything on the site

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vsex

yes, but there again, how many people downloading it, have an HBO subscription and are just downloading it because they missed it and don't have a VTR? My guess, not many.

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gideongallery

as long as they don't violate those people privacy

or go forward with a settlement letter based just on ip address

or honeypot content to trick people into infringing.

or the 1/2 a dozen other bullshit things they do currently

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Serge Litehead

fucku i can make large fonts too

IS TRUE BLOOD SHOW ON FREE PUBLIC NETWORK? get it?

why would average Joe subscribe to cable if YOU are making it avaliable to watch for him for FREE ONLINE?
ANSWER THIS ONE QUESTION

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Robbie

BINGO. It's a bunch of freeloading pieces of shit like gideongallery who did not PAY for an HBO subscription.

There is absolutely NO reason for a single episode of True Blood to be on a torrent site. HBO themselves offer all the episodes for FREE on video on demand with your normal subscription to HBO

The people downloading True Blood episodes are no different than the other THIEVES downloading porn.
But gideongallery is so accustomed to stealing everything online and never paying that he thinks it's normal.

You are a disgrace gideongallery. You should be ashamed of yourself for being such a parasite on society.

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gideongallery

and all you have to do is identify those people without violating the privacy rights of people like myself who subscribe to every station we download

and you can sue them.

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MaDalton

as long as they don't violate those people privacy

=> you steal my stuff, your privacy does mean nothing to me


or go forward with a settlement letter based just on ip address

=> we all know that this is just a lame excuse that only judges buy that have no clue of modern technology


or honeypot content to trick people into infringing.

=> then we should also close all banks cause they trick people into bank robbery?

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gideongallery

do you even know what a honeypot is

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1025...light=honeypot

are seriously trying to defend people pulling this shit.

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gideongallery

well hbo canada on demand only allows you watch the last couple of episodes

so the torrents still act as an unlimited hard drive for people who prefer to wait for the season to end and watch the episodes back to back.

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MaDalton

i actually do know - i have been offered to make money from that and declined. but that doesnt change the fact that 99.9% of people downloading stuff for free from torrents, p2p or whereever have no legit reason to do so - no matter who put the content there. and you know that. and if you don't, you are either extremely naive or stupid

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Serge Litehead

Call your cable company and ask them if it's OK to put a backup of your copy of True Blood making it available to the whole world for free so you can time-shift it at your convenience, and see how quickly they cancel your subscription.

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TheDoc

Third time to show your stupidity on the subject? That I agree with...

None of what you said is a right at all. Rights can't take away from another person, and if you duplicate/resell what I own, you're taking away from me to give to yourself - ie: not a right.

Civil rights, don't take away from me to ensure others have the equal right - that's a right.

Property, has no rights, an object can't be granted a right, but I can transfer my rights, but normally we grant permission for you to use it. If you wanted the legal rights to do whatever you want with it, you have to fully by the "entire" ownership of it, so I have no rights to it. It takes my permission, they are MY rights until I give them to you and nobody gives you those rights - they give you permission.

Education done for the day... you're so far out of your league on this, as usual... it's pathetic.

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That's because HBO has given on-demand PERMISSION (not rights). They didn't just rip it, take it, and offer it... and it's not a backup, of any kind. At that HBO and On-D are DRM protected, making a medium change, CRIMINAL - even in Canada.

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You always get this wrong in the details. Copyright is a set of laws that provide for civil and criminal recourse against piracy, for which in exchange the holder allows the government to permit non-significant copying and reuse, in very narrow and well documented cases.

While the term "monopoly" is sometimes used to describe the rights holder's ability to restrict republication, the term is biased because the rights holder is the natural and bona fide legal owner of any creative output. There isn't a "monopoly" for any government to give, because governments can't give rights that are inalienable in the first place, only observe them. This includes rights of ownership to creative endeavor.

Fair use does NOT supercede an exclusive right. Time and again you get this wrong. For one thing, the onus of establishing fair use is up to the defendant in a case, and most copyright cases are settled, leaving only minimal case law to go from. And even case law is narrowly constructed by the courts.

You'll often hear or read about a "three note" fair use exemption for sampling, or a 30 second fair use exemption for mechanical reproduction. None of it is accurate or true. Relying on bogus legal advise regarding fair use is an idiot's game.

Fair use is a doctrine that establishes a give-and-take between the government providing civil and criminal recourse against infringement, and the interests of the people. A rights holder still has the ability to license works instead of, or in addition to, filing for copyright protection (something can be both licensed AND copyrighted). A rights holder can apply restrictions to copying that in themselves (given DMCA and similar EU laws) subject an infringer to liability if the restrictions are circumvented.

gideongallery

the right to own property is a UN recognized human right


copyright is not a recognized Human right.


look it up

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1025...right& page=2

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gideongallery

ah we don't have an anti circumvention clause in our copyright act

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TheDoc

Yeah, we know, this was said above....

It does not grant you rights or any permissions, above that ownership. You own the DVD, you do not own the rights or permission to duplicate and resell it as the original, that's not the actual property, the property is the single dvd.

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TheDoc

This isn't an anti circumvention clause or anything related.... DRM protects MANY things in Canada, none of which you've ever dealt with in your life, other than probably removing some movies/songs protection for your personal use, which in Canada is allowed - but it DOES NOT give you permission to profit from it. ~ Yeah, you have no idea.

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gideongallery

copyright is the exclusive right granted to the creator by section 106 of copyright act.

other laws like the DMCA etc are not a copyright, they are the laws that govern the inforcement of a copyright.



the supreme court explictly declared copyright to be a monopoly 20 times in the betamax case

you might want to look at the case before you try and argue that copyright is not a monopoly.


http://supreme.justia.com/us/464/417/case.html

seriously read the copyright act

because you don't know what your talking about

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gideongallery

unlike a chair where i have all those rights automatically

the reason i need to get permission is because copyright takes away those automatic rights

and replaces them with licienced rights.

The only reason that taking away of rights is not a violation of my human right is because for the scope of fair use those normal property rights exist.

for the scope of commentary i am allowed to distribute other peoples content (ask micheal moore)

and i can do it even if the copyright holder doesn't want me to do it.

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TheDoc

gideongallery.... the shit just keeps spewing from you.

The United States Supreme Court frequently refers to a patent as providing a "limited monopoly." This is not, however, appropriate usage of the term monopoly in the economic sense. In fact, intellectual property protection cannot properly be thought of as providing an economic monopoly, at least in part, because a monopoly can only exist in the presence of a market and the ability of an actor to manipulate the market to a point where higher than competitive prices are able to be maintained, which is something that is rarely achievable by an owner of intellectual property.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelle...poly_privilege

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TheDoc

Odd, if it was automatic then ownership would be implied, but it's not.. I can set terms of ownership and your agreement, ANY, way I wish, period - that's MY right and YOUR right to refuse or accept it.

Ownership is NOT automatic, the right to own property, does NOT grant your permission to do shit with it - your right is to own it, PERIOD!

And courts all over the world disagree with you, oh and MM gave permission...

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A DVR is not the same thing as using a torrent.

gideongallery

really want to point me to one furniture store in the world where i have to sign a licencing agreement to buy a chair

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gideongallery

wow a pro intellectual property says that court definition isn't right

http://ipwatchdog.com/2010/03/06/deb...opoly/id=9538/

considering that one of the questions asked was

by definition copyright allows you to raise the price from market defined price of free to something greater than free.

The fact that digital goods gravitate to free may be a justification for having the monopoly

but it most certainly does not allow you ignore the fact that you are in fact charging a price higher than what open competition would cause the price to be (free).

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SallyRand

Dumbfuck.

The furniture store is a LICENSED dealer for the distributor/manufacturer which in turn may own the design or may be paying royalites to the designer.

Your use of the British "licenCing" tells me that you probably come from one of he socialist nations, so why don't you take your fucking Commie ass back home?

MaDalton

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gideon it is more than obvious that you are NOT in this business so why are you here? Why isn't Eric banning this douchebag he's violating the rule that you must be in htis business to post here.

Serge Litehead

DUDE LMAO
OPEN COMPETITION? torrents don't produce anything, their users putting copyrighted material don't produce it and are not licensed to put it up there for free to all to download. WHAT COMPETITION? FIRST PRODUCE SOMETHING IN DEMAND, DISTRIBUTE IT FOR FREE, SOMEHOW MAGICALLY MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS then you can talk about OPEN COMPETITION and how anyone can make money producing IP for free.

YOU failed to answer that question but reserved it to twist it for you later argument. get the fuck outta here

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CDSmith

I have and always will support the rights of the copyright holder. I also think there are possibly a few tweaks to existing copyright laws and rules that could make the system better. BUT, to refer to 'copyright' in general as draconian is, well, just plain ignorant, and it plainly shows one's agenda.

I realize it's a broad and multi-faceted argument, but where it pertains to, for example, people grabbing porn clips out of a members area of a pay site and then uploading them on a tube site and engaging in unauthorized use I completely and unequivocably draw the line. Bringing PVR's into the argument? Please. That's just a useless smokescreen side argument pirates use to justify their thievery and scumbaggery. A PVR only allows more convenient viewing of what TV viewers can already view via their existing cable or satellite services, which by the way they PAY FOR. Do you hear TV and movie producers crying about PVRs? No. Do you hear paysite owners and content producers complaining about tubes and unauthorized use and piracy? Damn right you do, and for good reason.

I realize you'll never give up preaching your BS Gideon, but as I've told you before man, every time you post on this subject your agenda is utterly transparent. And just as no one agreed with you 4 or 5 years ago, no one is going to agree here, and I doubt anyone's going to agree with you 5 years from now, or 10, or 50. Why? Because when someone creates some original intellectual property (which I have) you need their permission to use it and/or profit from it.

You can (and likely will) argue my entire post, but frankly what I've said to you here and in umpteen other threads like it is inarguable. And you do know that arguing against the inarguable is one more indication of insanity, right? :D

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gideongallery

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=987596

you do realize

eric said he did his research on me a long time ago

he knows what i have done
and what i am capable of doing in terms of sales number

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gideongallery

never said copyright law was draconian i said the changes to the laws proposed by the pro copyright are draconian

things like making you liable based only on your ip address.


you might want to look back a bit they did complain about it just as bitterly when it first came out.

http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm

at sometime in the future you guys will finally realize the put your shit on the tape solution for this problem

i have said it more then 67 times
if you respect fair use you never have a problem with piracy.

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Serge Litehead

Links to anything that was actually produced by you or by your company if you have one? Please show us how your own produced content that is being fairy used without having issues with piracy. Have anything to show that you produced that is in public domain, that is not commentary or parody? Care to show it?

Make your statement credible.

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gideongallery

so you want an example of the solution that you can copy for free.

you do realize i said

i used the torrents to timeshift tv shows i PAID for

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CrkMStanz

copying anyone elses work, taking thier income, spamming it for free = 'fair use'

copying giddyboys work = bad bad man



anyone see the insanity here?



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Serge Litehead

I don't need your example and certainly am not interested in copying it. keep that to yourself.

you are making a statement which is imo pretty dumb if you've never produced and sold anything of your own, make it at least somewhat credible by showing anything produced by yourself, otherwise what you say is simply stupid phrase used by pirate kiddies to justify copyright infringement. if you have stuff in public domain - you shouldn't have any problem showing it to more public, right?
If you can't show anything - you are simply full of shit and don't know what you are talking about. For all this time on GFY you have never even once displayed your business web site. But you love to argue about fair use and that we're all wrong for seeing piracy all over the net as something damaging rather than salvaging.


What you PAID for isn't a question. You FAIL to realize there many more freeloaders using torrents than legit users.

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GatorB

If you're in this business and you're against copyright then you're truly the dumbest motherfucker ever created in the entire history of dumb motherfuckers.

TheDoc

That article is about Patents, it doesn't say the word Copyright anywhere in the article.

Killer Fail though


What if it's not free? What if it cost me money? Oh yeah, then it's not actually free....... wtf is this trash?

Do you have a bucket of phrases you pull this shit from?

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The best part of this thread was Sally Rand totally failing to troll GideonGallery

Redrob

Fucking thieves trying to redefine the meanings to suit their purposes.

They should all go to jail.

DamianJ

The thing none of you get, is he is just a troll. He comes here for one reason. To wind people up about copyright and piracy.

And he is BRILLIANT at winding you all up.

We all know he's not in porn, and is nobody.

We all know he is just trolling.

We all know he comes here for attention.

And you idiots keep giving it to him.

If everyone ignored him for two weeks he'd never come back. And yes, I'd put money on that.

AmeliaG

Yes, we are going to end up with draconian and unreasonable laws because a handful of thieves decided to profit on the backs of artists and other productive people, while giving nothing in return. Yes, your are right, the folks stealing will most likely ruin the exchange of ideas for everyone.

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the problem is too many thieves got used to stealing and now think they have rights - unreal

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gideongallery

seriously point to one quote where i said it was ok to take someone income

i said i use the torrents to timeshift content i paid for

i don't have a problem with you copying my work if you pay me for teaching it to you

i only object to taking it for free

i don't expect you to pay me twice/three times for that information once i sell it to you it your to use forever

i expect the same thing for the content i BUY.

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gideongallery

seriously you don't even recognize the sources for your own quotes




go back to the wiki article

click on the footnote link for the quote you were trying to use to justify arguing that the supreme court was wrong.

see where it leads you too.

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gideongallery

idiot being pro fair use is not against copyright

for god sake both the exclusive rights and fair use were defined in the same act

maybe you should actually listen to what i am saying instead of making up your own interpretation of what i am saying.

copyright law as it is now is pefectly fine, it doesn't need to be fixed

it already balanced and working IF you understand how to use it properly.

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