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Paul Markham · 09-20-2011, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

God, you're a moron. If this was so easy your paulmarkhamteens.com would be on par with met-art by now and robbie was playing golf with Warren Buffett. But its not.

You're still not getting it.

Getting shit traffic is eas6y, traffic guys will sell tons of it. Getting average traffic isn't hard, getting great traffic is hard, still can be done.

The problem is the amount of traffic required to get a person interested in porn to buy porn. And to make a living.

Made it bold so you can get it.

After 12-13 years of feeding surfers with free porn, the vast majority have learned not to buy. That's the biggest success online porn can claim.

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Originally Posted by RSTGP_Stef

I'm amazed at how unproductive some people waste their time here...

You have all been Markham'ed.

Trolls keep my threads going with their pointless posts. We're on the third page now.

Paul Markham · 09-20-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Get back to work, you need to feed your Tube with more free content to get 1,000s of surfers for one to buy.

Don't you read how hard it is to get 1,000s of surfers (TRAFFIC) so 1 will buy.

Or is it so easy you can troll here?

theking · 09-20-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

BTW...Markham...you have stated before that your wife is as good a shooter as you...if not better...and if it is true that you are not physically capable of shooting...why then is she working at some minimal paying job to help make ends meet since your government check is not enough...instead of shooting?

With all of your knowledge that you want to dispense to Dig and others about how to improve their pay sites...and with traffic being so easy to get...as you claim it is...why isn't she shooting and she/you making hundreds of thousands if not millions per year instead of her having to work at a minimal paying job to help make ends meet along with the government check you receive?

I see that you have made the choice not to answer my questions...so be it.

Eyeball · 09-20-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Paul, all you do is lecture with a condescending and arrogant tone about things you know absolutely nothing about.

You just outed yourself in this thread again for being broke business wise. You just admitted you don't even have the money from revenue to pay for a 2000 sq foot studio. You just admitted your sites don't make money. You just admitted you make barely anything from content sales.

I was in Brno the first time to meet you in 2004. That was the same time of your "content blowout" , me too bullshit. Your content business was in obvious rapid decline. You were already in financial trouble at the time. You already saw the writing on the wall and knew you were not going to continue to be competitive in online content sales. You were trying to start tgps and paysites and doing all kinds of crap to make money including your totally insane plot to rent out your studio to production companies for many $1000's a day, which looked like an ill equipped and filthy, ghetto, secondhand IKEA showroom.

It was not too long after that when you came to this board begging for money. Not too long after that, you admitted Eva was also forced to work to make ends meet just so you guys can survive. So yeah, you had a couple girls working for you. I had 100's working 24/7 in 3 10,000sq ft plus offices. Big fucking deal. I don't anymore and you don't anymore. Business changed, the business models changed and I got out of what I was doing and focused my efforts elsewhere to make money. You on the other hand decided to try to continue this retarded ruse of lecturing people as you're some sort of successful expert on a business that changes rapidly and that has so clearly left you in the past.

So... not too sure what your supposed "nanny" in 2004 has to do with anything. In case you haven't noticed you delirious old fuck, this is 2011. You are lecturing people on success in 2011. You are doing it while leading people to believe YOU are successful in 2011 with repeated references to living on content sales and doing well. Now we see you are actually living off of 1 or 2 governments and not porn. SHOCKER!

You can keep bringing up your interpretation of me going there to meet you. The fact is, I called you out for being a fake, delusional douche bag pretending to be successful after all these years and your response was to call me a liar and denied i ever met you or that we knew each other, because you felt that was a safe stance, until I started posting pics as proof. You denied ever meeting me, you denied every aspect of it. Even though it was super clear to you that I wasn't lying being that I was describing the inside of your own home to do. You decided to roll the dice and keep lying until I posted pics.

That's exactly how full of shit you are.

Furthermore, I do what I do. My income since I was 20 has rarely dipped below 6 figures. I've never been good with money and never tried to be good. I try to use it to enjoy life, travel and have fun. I haven't amassed a large amount of wealth and don't claim to have. From adult over the years my income has ranged in porn from 6 figures a month, to 5, to 4 and back. I've made millions. I've risked millions. I've lost millions as well. It's never been static. I've made and lost more than you will ever see in 10 lifetimes. I've never really bragged about making money on here that I can recall.

Also, I am not a gfy "bro" clinging to the past or trying to keep impressing people with bullshit claims of continued success and fortune. You've done far more of that than I ever could. I don't pretend to be super wealthy from porn. BUT, (and this is an important distinction between you and me), i also don't come here and lecture the most successful people on how to conduct their business and make money as I understand how retarded that is. I don't do that anymore than I lecture NASA on how to travel to Mars. You however, spend your free time doing just that. You are too delusional, insane and demented to even understand how delusional, insane and demented you are.

The only reason I even pay any attention at all to this board and people on it and the biz is because I have sites that still passively make more money than you do.

People come here to troll, they are not going to read all of that.

Just Alex · 09-20-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You're still not getting it.

Getting shit traffic is eas6y, traffic guys will sell tons of it. Getting average traffic isn't hard, getting great traffic is hard, still can be done.

The problem is the amount of traffic required to get a person interested in porn to buy porn. And to make a living.

Made it bold so you can get it.

After 12-13 years of feeding surfers with free porn, the vast majority have learned not to buy. That's the biggest success online porn can claim.

Trolls keep my threads going with their pointless posts. We're on the third page now.

Its not just amount, its also quality you old goat. If I build a network of sites that target "Amputee midget lesbians" freaks and get 500 unique hits from those guys, I would make a lot more $$$ that you with your crappy and over saturated "teens" + traffic from freebie boards and tubes.
What do you know about traffic anyway?

DamianJ · 09-20-2011, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I keep my threads going with pointless posts. We're on the third page now.

Corrected a typo there, mate.

papill0n · 09-20-2011, 04:08 PM

paul markham = broke troll

EukerVoorn · 09-20-2011, 04:31 PM

Paul, what you come up with makes sense to producers, but your preaching to the wrong audience here because most are webmasters who don't produce their content but get it from their sponsors. (or they just grab it from other sites).

If you are a producer you need to make relatively more profit because you have higher costs. Webmasters hardly have any costs. They need a server and the book html for dummies and that's about it. Us producers need a studio, models, flights, equipment, etc etc.

For a webmaster to get proper sales, he needs traffic and good material. For us producers to get proper sales, we need traffic, and we need to PRODUCE good material.

A webmaster can be happy with 10,000 hits per day, and 2 sign-ups. He'll be making profit that day.

A producer needs at least 10 sign-ups a day to keep going and 20 sign-ups a day to continue growing.

The way I see it is, that producers don't only need traffic, but also quality, unique material. As for the rapidshare problem:

Producers need to protect their content. The following things are already done by some of us:

1) Stop the sharing of passwords completely using proper scripts. Most content theft is done through shared passwords, because content thieves make it a sport not to pay for anything. They will hardly ever pull their credit cards, download your content, and upload it to Rapidshare. It happens but not a large scale. I'm now using scripts that make sharing of passwords by two or more people impossible. (anything interested in this message me)

2) Embed user-ID in downloaded file and/or use watermarking technology to put user ID inside video-footage. If you find your footage on Rapidshare you download it, then you know which of your members is uploading your content, and you ban him to avoid further damage.

3) Use a service like removeyourcontent.com to have your content removed from Rapidshare, torrents etc

4) Some ban access to their sites from countries like Russia and Ukraine and proxy servers completely. I'm not doing this because I get a few Russian paying members from time to time and haven't caught them uploading my content yet. In my member sections usage of proxy servers is not possible though.

If all producers would start using these methods today, things would get very difficult for the Rapidshare, PayPal and torrent mafia.

EukerVoorn · 09-20-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n

paul markham = broke troll

I joined this site recently and when I log-in it says "where the industry meets" but when seeing comments from "people" like you with their ten-thousands of posts done in few years time I really think that maybe this is "where the chat addicted losers meet".

Is this "the industry"? That's pretty sad then.

If you dislike Paul so much then why do you read them? Don't you have a production company to run?

papill0n · 09-20-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

I joined this site recently and when I log-in it says "where the industry meets" but when seeing comments from "people" like you with their ten-thousands of posts done in few years time I really think that maybe this is "where the chat addicted losers meet".

Is this "the industry"? That's pretty sad then.

If you dislike Paul so much then why do you read them? Don't you have a production company to run?

Are you the industry ? you whining little french faggot.

maybe you think that whining pom paul is the industry?

maybe you think someone gives a fuck ?

in future address your questions to paul, he's the oracle of gfy

EukerVoorn · 09-20-2011, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

How about someone with more than 39 posts and reg date of Aug 2011 ???

I don't think that succesfull producers have a lot of time and energy for participating on forums like this. I'm sure every succesfull producer would agree. So maybe the more posts someone has, the less likely he's really a somebody in the industry.

shade001 · 09-20-2011, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

A webmaster can be happy with 10,000 hits per day, and 2 sign-ups. He'll be making profit that day.

You clearly don't know shit about traffic OR making a living as an affiliate.

No wonder you think PM is a god.

EukerVoorn · 09-20-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n

Are you the industry ? you whining little french faggot.

You call me a whiner after you posted 17,000 posts with whining in here? I'm Dutch and I'm open for anything positive and constructive whether it comes from you or Paul or anybody else.

EukerVoorn · 09-20-2011, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by shade001

You clearly don't know shit about making a living as an affiliate.

Correct. I'm a producer/sponsor and know nothing about being an affiliate. Teach me, I'm open for anything positive and constructive. Tell me what's like and I tell you what's it's like being a producer.

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No wonder you think PM is a god.

I think he's a human being and should be treated that way.

porno jew · 09-20-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

I think he's a human being.

shows how much of a n00b you are.

papill0n · 09-20-2011, 06:19 PM

its nice paul has a new little friend though, im kinda aroused

can i suggest a three way reach around to celebrate ?!

TheSquealer · 09-20-2011, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

Correct. I'm a producer/sponsor and know nothing about being an affiliate. Teach me, I'm open for anything positive and constructive. Tell me what's like and I tell you what's it's like being a producer.

We care about what its like to be a producer as much as a restaurant owner cares what its like to farm potatos.

Caligari · 09-20-2011, 06:35 PM

Oh man this is rich. Markham TRUMPS all of you people feverishly posting to diss the guy...

He's got another 3 page 1000 plus view post mainly because are you are all magically drawn into his rants about the biz just waiting to blast him at every turn

If i really gave two shits i would sponsor a clinicial study of "The Markham Effect" because there sure as hell is one

Wait a second, I'm posting in this thread WTF...can't stop...from...hitting..enter...

EukerVoorn · 09-20-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

We care about what its like to be a producer as much as a restaurant owner cares what its like to farm potatos.

Ok. I am still curious about the webmaster's side of the story and I'm sure one day one with a bit of social skills will tell me.

Paul Markham · 09-20-2011, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Its not just amount, its also quality you old goat. If I build a network of sites that target "Amputee midget lesbians" freaks and get 500 unique hits from those guys, I would make a lot more $$$ that you with your crappy and over saturated "teens" + traffic from freebie boards and tubes.
What do you know about traffic anyway?

Exactly. I have said in this thread that getting lots of high quality traffic is hard.

What do you know about the product, content of a site? If my content is crappy, how come it's saturated. To saturate content, we need to sell it, especially in a main stream niche like Teens. So are loads of sponsors buying it, to saturates it? Which makes Squealers posts stupid, well more stupid. Or is it not selling to anyone and getting saturated.

And the quality of the product applies more than many think and that's what this thread is about.

When a surfer hits a site the product can often make crap traffic good traffic. You must see differences in conversion ratios, you're sending much the same traffic to different sponsors who convert very differently. When they sign up you see different sites retain longer than others. This is what makes traffic worth 3 cents per click or 6 cents per click. Numbers to illustrate the point.

This thread is entirely about turning your traffic from being worth 6 cents per hit to 12 cents a hit. It's about offering something on the tour that 1,000 other sites in the same niche and style offer, offering something inside the site 1,000 others don't.

Is that of some interest to you?

It's about the product and as a producer of product that over the years has made me enough money to employ others and stay in business for 34 years it's something I know a little about.

The truth is while sponsors spend a lot of thought, money on affiliates and traffic, also giving them everything and all possible assistance. They spend very little on the product. If you want every banner click to be worth more, sponsors are the ones who can make that happen.

This is the problem.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

We care about what its like to be a producer as much as a restaurant owner cares what its like to farm potatos.

When some people selling don't care about the people producing. The people producing move to another seller. Or don't move to the person who needs their product.

That applies to 100s of good/great content producers, they simply were not and still not interested in working for online porn. Because of the money offered. In fact the good ones go the other way. So his restaurant ends up selling moldy crap potatoes. And eventually patrons stop buying.

Cutting the quality of the product with so many potential buyers walking by, is madness.

What I do know about traffic is how to sell to it and keep it buying.

I leave the collecting of it to others.

Paul Markham · 09-21-2011, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

We care about what its like to be a producer as much as a restaurant owner cares what its like to farm potatos.

Using his analogy, changing it to the grocer instead of restaurant and applying it to online adult. The problem is clear.

His analogy works perfectly if there's only one grocer in town. When every other shop is a grocer, who do you buy from?

If they're all selling much the same, price becomes the most important factor. If 99 of the grocers care little about the product and ones cares a lot to get a great product, then quality becomes an important issue.

In online porn there's 1,000s of places to buy from and 1,000s of places to get it for free.

So what's left other than just sending more/better traffic to a site?

Is the only option to offer a better quality quality product. To care about the farmer, meet his needs, give him the tools and money he needs to produce a better product and instead of just stacking the potatoes in a big bin. Offer something more to the shopper. Like advice how to cook the potatoes or recipes. Or a real live person who will talk to shoppers.

When buying potatoes, convenience is paramount for many. so we shop at a supermarket. Nothing is more convenient than getting free porn from a Tube site. We need to up our game in a different area than just better/more traffic. We've been doing that for years and if we aren't at the peak of our abilities today, we never will be.

It's time to apply the thinking to another angle.

porno jew · 09-21-2011, 12:30 AM

god shut up man there are dozens of high quality websites that are loved by surfers and make loads of sales every day.

example http://hegre-art.com/galleries even at your best you couldn't touch the worst of that they produce.

please just stop.

drmadcat · 09-21-2011, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

god shut up man there are dozens of high quality websites that are loved by surfers and make loads of sales every day.

example http://hegre-art.com/galleries even at your best you couldn't touch the worst of that they produce.

please just stop.

very good content

porno jew · 09-21-2011, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

god shut up man there are dozens of high quality websites that are loved by surfers and make loads of sales every day.

example http://hegre-art.com/galleries even at your best you couldn't touch the worst of that they produce.

please just stop.

to add surfers have no problems signing up for that site. they have loads of amazing content, always updated, most of my sales for the site are yearly memberships.

i know you will say the site is worthless because a foot was cut off in one photo but really man you just have no clue.

porno jew · 09-21-2011, 12:38 AM

i could go on and list a few dozen amazing websites off the top of my head which do killer sales even in the age of tubes.

sure sites that were built around a flashy tour and 20 paul markham bargain basement content videos have died, but that's good. that model was substandard and has been eliminated by the market. adapt or die.

Jel · 09-21-2011, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

Correct. I'm a producer/sponsor and know nothing about being an affiliate. Teach me, I'm open for anything positive and constructive. Tell me what's like and I tell you what's it's like being a producer.

I think he's a human being and should be treated that way.

This is why people give paul a hard time - he talks absolute shit 100% of the time, lies over and over again, and has been caught out many times, and people new to this board take him at his word. You just admitted you know nothing about being an affiliate (no idea if you have a true grasp on traffic), yet are falling for paul's bullshit. This isn't a board where dummies hang out, and bullshit gets called with no delay. After literally hundreds if not thousands of posts which are outright lies, as well as a failure to grasp even the most basic principles of the online porn business, along with a refusal to acknowledege *anyone's* expertise AND insane ramblings yes, paul gets treated like the cunt he is.

ps This is a very fast moving board, and it's easy for people to rack up their post count, so I wouldn't take too much in the way of high counts being a sign of complete time-wasting.

Django · 09-21-2011, 12:54 AM

TheSquealer for President

Paul Markham · 09-21-2011, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

god shut up man there are dozens of high quality websites that are loved by surfers and make loads of sales every day.

Dozens out of 10,000s.

God please, don't shut up I enjoy your humor.

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example http://hegre-art.com/galleries even at your best you couldn't touch the worst of that they produce.

So is it time to look beyond just the videos and images?

Met-Art are good photographers. Maybe we should see more of the whole sets and videos before making an assumption on the package.

But they prove my theory works. If you have a great product, you sell much better. Stopping at just that is 1998. We need to up our game.

Is it time to turn the dozens of loved sites into 1,000s and figure out how to do it to convert more of your traffic?

The problem for 95% of this industry is they were never willing or able to spend what Met Art do all the time.

Actually at my average I sold to magazines, a market that paid up to 10 times what 95% of this market will pay. Met-Art to my knowledge didn't sell in the market we sold to. Comparing 2 different fields.

Compare Met-Art with Suze Randall and you have something comparable.

http://hegre-art.com/films

Here's a scene that was created by people who were on a lot more than $500 a solo girl scene and told to shoot 5 in a day. Why not apply the professional good budget Met-Art model of creating a product to the more popular forms of porn. Not the glamor style, all styles. Most of the porn today is created on a much different model and why ratios suck.

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Originally Posted by Django

TheSquealer for President

He's brighter than Palin, but dumber than Bush. So his chances are great. LOL

porno jew · 09-21-2011, 01:17 AM

dozens "off the top of my head" idiot. sites that i deal with and promote.

yes there are 10,000 shitty poor selling websites. as there are 10,000 shitty selling books, movies, restaurants etc. so what?

porno jew · 09-21-2011, 01:18 AM

no one gives a fuck about Suze Randall. people care about met-art, yes. no one even knows or cares about Suze Randall or all the other dinosaurs of the magazine age.

Cherry7 · 09-21-2011, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

Ok. I am still curious about the webmaster's side of the story and I'm sure one day one with a bit of social skills will tell me.

Ignore the people who have been rude. I also think your question is quite valid, in fact the whole point of a board like this.

On the subject of Paul Markham I am afraid you will find that what is said about him is true. If you say anything he disagrees with he will insult you and rant on of for page after page of the same rubbish until you lose the will to live.

It is a great shame because it prevents interesting discussions that could happen here.

Paul Markham · 09-21-2011, 02:34 AM

Good post.

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Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

Paul, what you come up with makes sense to producers, but your preaching to the wrong audience here because most are webmasters who don't produce their content but get it from their sponsors. (or they just grab it from other sites).

Totally. The problem is as Porno Jew points out, there's now only dozens of sites prepared to pay the cost of great content. Those that do, as he says are loved by members, I assume have lots of them and lots of webmasters send traffic. The model works.

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If you are a producer you need to make relatively more profit because you have higher costs. Webmasters hardly have any costs. They need a server and the book html for dummies and that's about it. Us producers need a studio, models, flights, equipment, etc etc.

True. However we need a lot more than equipment. Many shooters have all that, they don't have the experience, personality and skills to direct models. Or ability to shoot 100 different pictures. When you have it, you're not shooting for $300 a scene exclusive for ATK.

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A webmaster can be happy with 10,000 hits per day, and 2 sign-ups. He'll be making profit that day.

A producer needs at least 10 sign-ups a day to keep going and 20 sign-ups a day to continue growing.

The way I see it is, that producers don't only need traffic, but also quality, unique material.

That's what this thread is about. Getting more out of the traffic. The problem with getting quality, unique material is the cost. It simply can't be done on the prices online in general pay. Every time one of them wants to show great content, they point to a few sites. There aren't a lot of sites to point at.

I recently reviewed Twistys and found the image sets simply weren't good enough from many producers to sell to magazines. Too many duplicated shots, wrong poses, bad poses. Etc.

Is the problem too little money after marketing costs or simply the lack of will. Because as PJ points out. Members love great content.

The piracy problem isn't going anywhere. Unless there's massive Government control it stays where it is or grows. We have to live with it and adapt our model to a better one.

Selling recorded porn is not easy, it's made harder when the content is much the same on 100s to 1,000s of sites. You protect your and the next guy doesn't. You still loses a sale.

So we need to offer more than recorded porn. That's so logical it's amazing. Live sells. Adapting the live model to the paysite model more than we do is an option. The only examples I've seen were upsells to 1-1 which is every where.

Would a site with live girls to chat to for the price of $30 a month and all the recorded porn sell better than one with just recorded porn?

Would a site with live sex shows once twice a day, for the price of $30 a month and all the recorded porn sell better than one with just recorded porn?

Would the cost of this be more than the benefits?

At the moment I see a trend of more and more people going for the free option. We need to think of a new strategy than just piling in more traffic. It's probably just coming from someone else, who will up his game and take it back.

TheDoc · 09-21-2011, 03:58 AM

Too bad Paul doesn't practice what he preaches....

I should go around and tell everyone here why they suck at being billionaires and how each of you are doing it wrong. No, I don't have a billion dollars, but I can act like I do.... and teach you why you don't, a double win for everyone!

Paul Markham · 09-21-2011, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Too bad Paul doesn't practice what he preaches....

I should go around and tell everyone here why they suck at being billionaires and how each of you are doing it wrong. No, I don't have a billion dollars, but I can act like I do.... and teach you why you don't, a double win for everyone!

Can you point out where my ideas are wrong please? Please, again.

Would upping the product game have a good effect on your stats?

Would landing people on a site that was converting and retaining better make you more money?

Are you scared of the possibility that other sites you don't promote will do it and this will cost you money?

Are you scared the cost of it, might get taken out of your payments?

So far no one has come up with any constructive debate against my ideas. Just the usual dribble of insults.

We need more than insults to ideas of change. We need better ideas or people to think the ideas through and develop them. So far no one has done that, just the usual insults.

PJ has shown very clearly there's a lack of truly great sites, compared with the saturation of poor ones.

Alex pointed out we made more money by selling our content so much it was saturated. Alex also pointed out the problem isn't traffic, it's quality traffic. Same as tours and members areas, it's quality that sells.

Then what's quality. 99-100 saying no on a tour. 499-500 saying no on a tour?

Jel · 09-21-2011, 05:07 AM

1:3 ratios = fail, fact!

TheDoc · 09-21-2011, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Can you point out where my ideas are wrong please? Please, again.

Would upping the product game have a good effect on your stats?

Would landing people on a site that was converting and retaining better make you more money?

Are you scared of the possibility that other sites you don't promote will do it and this will cost you money?

Are you scared the cost of it, might get taken out of your payments?

So far no one has come up with any constructive debate against my ideas. Just the usual dribble of insults.

We need more than insults to ideas of change. We need better ideas or people to think the ideas through and develop them. So far no one has done that, just the usual insults.

PJ has shown very clearly there's a lack of truly great sites, compared with the saturation of poor ones.

Alex pointed out we made more money by selling our content so much it was saturated. Alex also pointed out the problem isn't traffic, it's quality traffic. Same as tours and members areas, it's quality that sells.

Then what's quality. 99-100 saying no on a tour. 499-500 saying no on a tour?

Okay... starting things off is this line of questions.... they're not relevant to anything, however I will answer them.

No.

Of course.

No.

No.

Your theory is wrong because nobody converts 1:1, even people looking to buy - with an actual need, don't always buy.

Quality is unique per site, project, product, etc... quality is in the eye of what the person wants or desires that is buying. Quality is not an equal standard set by you or anyone. Even the worst quality porn has value to some, and the best quality porn doesn't attract everyone.

Now let's cover some of your posts in this thread.

What is adapt or die? It's changing and moving and never sitting still, moving with porn, as it moves throughout various technologies, systems, etc... it's in places you and me and others, will never think of, ever... but it's waiting for us to find and monetize it either way. This is the history of porn, from as far back as history can track it, it has moved.... always!

So, the "issue" I see with your logic is simple, you're focused on the 'internet porn on a pc', at that "free" internet porn on the pc. That's one bubble, one thing... one tinny ass, micro revenue stream, within a technology and is two-steps down within the system.

Hello... McFly.

If you want your ratios back, how about you start by not looking in the big pile of free loaders..... Huh? Logical eh?

Btw, your ideas on content is flat wrong. You think all this crazy shit has to be done with content, all these rules... fact is, you have no idea what is good or bad in porn, because you are not everyone in the world. You telling these producers what they're doing right and wrong, is so laughable... You have no idea what "members" want.. I know sites that break every single rule you say that retain a 100x better than the sites you think are good. Oh and cross 'technology' wise, people don't give a shit... they just want the damn porn!

I'm not cutting you down or being ass, but no bullshit - you have no idea wtf is going on in this Industry. You're not in it, accept the facts, why would you know this stuff? Other than people have been telling you it for like 2 years and you just ignore it.

CHMOD · 09-21-2011, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

I don't think that succesfull producers have a lot of time and energy for participating on forums like this. I'm sure every succesfull producer would agree. So maybe the more posts someone has, the less likely he's really a somebody in the industry.

You seem like a good guy ( I read a couple of posts from you )

Please, follow my advice:
Don't waist too much time in here: 90% of GFY users are loosers and keyboard warriors.

Il y a beaucoup mieux à faire que d'essayer de discuter avec des idiots qui, de toutes façons, ne veulent pas discuter mais plutôt te ridiculiser devant leurs cyber-copains qui les trouvent tellement drôle!

DamianJ · 09-21-2011, 06:03 AM

Do you lot still not realise he is just fucking about?

He won troll of the year for a reason. He posts shit he doesn't actually believe in order to wind you all up.

And it works.

Time and time again.

He's a genius and you're all idiots for playing his game.

TheDoc · 09-21-2011, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Do you lot still not realise he is just fucking about?

He won troll of the year for a reason. He posts shit he doesn't actually believe in order to wind you all up.

And it works.

Time and time again.

He's a genius and you're all idiots for playing his game.

After years of ass pounding him you don't get to call peoples cards on this...

EukerVoorn · 09-21-2011, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

no one gives a fuck about Suze Randall. people care about met-art, yes. no one even knows or cares about Suze Randall or all the other dinosaurs of the magazine age.

Randall shot great stuff in the 70s and 80s, after that I think she lost interest in the work but she kept working to collect her moneys I suppose, but her product became more and more pathetic and the videos in which you can see her work are even more pathetic. Both her and the model are going through the same routine over and over again and Randall is saying the same stuff over and over again "great baby, yeah great. Great baby, yeah great". You can see the model thinking... "yeah right". lol

DamianJ · 09-21-2011, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

After years of ass pounding him you don't get to call peoples cards on this...

Just a word to the wise is all.

Took me long enough to realise. Just trying to save everyone else some time

EukerVoorn · 09-21-2011, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel

This is why people give paul a hard time - he talks absolute shit 100% of the time, lies over and over again, and has been caught out many times, and people new to this board take him at his word. You just admitted you know nothing about being an affiliate (no idea if you have a true grasp on traffic), yet are falling for paul's bullshit. This isn't a board where dummies hang out, and bullshit gets called with no delay. After literally hundreds if not thousands of posts which are outright lies, as well as a failure to grasp even the most basic principles of the online porn business, along with a refusal to acknowledege *anyone's* expertise AND insane ramblings yes, paul gets treated like the cunt he is.

ps This is a very fast moving board, and it's easy for people to rack up their post count, so I wouldn't take too much in the way of high counts being a sign of complete time-wasting.

I don't take Paul at his word. I'm not a newbie in this industry, I've been running a porn production company for 20 years now, starting in the years that people couldn't even imagine that one day there would be something like the internet. In those 20 years I learned to listen to everybody who has to say something and try to filter out the informaton that might be useful for what I'm doing. I also learned to respect people, even the people that annoy me, or seem to be useless to me. And most important; what I learned from 15 years internet is that you shouldn't say things to people in a forum that you wouldn't say to them if you would meet them face to face either. Nobody ever called me a French faggot in my face because by then they already saw the size of my fists and you wouldn't call Paul a lying cunt if you were standing in front of him either. Now am I Jesus? No way, you should see the nasty stuff I'm writing to people on the Dutch groups of usenet (alt.madcrew is my home). It's easy to get dragged into the negativity, isn't it? I find staying positive and constructive one of the most difficult things in life, especially when I'm tired. But there's always one thing I've stayed away from, and that's pussy group behaviour, jump on one individual with a big group, and that's coward crap.

Even in the adult industry and even on a board called "Go fuck yourself" we should try to be PROFESSIONAL. The things people write about each other in here have nothing to do with professionalism but everything with amateurism. And again, I know it's hard. I can do my share of name calling on forums and even in private mail as well, but am far of proud of it.

I agree (again) that I know nothing about affiliation. I never used affiliation much, I mainly rely on Google AdWords (working great for me) and SEO (paying specialists in India for that, works great as well). I want to jump into affiliation soon though because there's money to be made. As for traffic, I know all about it from a self selling producer point of view, but not from an affiliate point of view. But like I wrote before, I want to learn. I came to this board to sort out my little problem with a payment processor and it's great to see that there is so much else to learn in here.

I wouldn't think that there's a lot of dummies hanging out here but I really get the impression that there's a lot of folks hanging out here who are making maybe $500 a month or less and consider themselves part of "the industry", either accepting this pathetic income or not believing they can do any better than this. Then if they're spending all day arguing with someone they don't agree with or don't like, I wonder why they don't get their ass moving and stop with the negativity and start working on their sites again. Porn Muslim is right when he claims that there are still plenty of sites doing well despites the tubes and the Russian cunts and I think what Paul is trying to say is that if you want, and if you work hard enough for it, you can still make good money in this web porn industry.

So when you don't see me posting in here anymore, you know why that is: I got back to work, trying to increase my sales a little again. I'm definitely not going to stick around in this arguing about nothing crap for a long time!

EukerVoorn · 09-21-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

Ignore the people who have been rude. I also think your question is quite valid, in fact the whole point of a board like this.

On the subject of Paul Markham I am afraid you will find that what is said about him is true. If you say anything he disagrees with he will insult you and rant on of for page after page of the same rubbish until you lose the will to live.

It is a great shame because it prevents interesting discussions that could happen here.

I'm new here and usually I learn fast. And people need to learn to ignore the ones that annoy them, or the threads that are likely going to be like this one. I don't think I'll be reading the next one :-)

EukerVoorn · 09-21-2011, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I recently reviewed Twistys and found the image sets simply weren't good enough from many producers to sell to magazines. Too many duplicated shots, wrong poses, bad poses. Etc.

Is the problem too little money after marketing costs or simply the lack of will. Because as PJ points out. Members love great content.

The piracy problem isn't going anywhere. Unless there's massive Government control it stays where it is or grows. We have to live with it and adapt our model to a better one.

Selling recorded porn is not easy, it's made harder when the content is much the same on 100s to 1,000s of sites. You protect your and the next guy doesn't. You still loses a sale.

So we need to offer more than recorded porn. That's so logical it's amazing. Live sells. Adapting the live model to the paysite model more than we do is an option. The only examples I've seen were upsells to 1-1 which is every where.

Would a site with live girls to chat to for the price of $30 a month and all the recorded porn sell better than one with just recorded porn?

Would a site with live sex shows once twice a day, for the price of $30 a month and all the recorded porn sell better than one with just recorded porn?

Would the cost of this be more than the benefits?

At the moment I see a trend of more and more people going for the free option. We need to think of a new strategy than just piling in more traffic. It's probably just coming from someone else, who will up his game and take it back.

Paul I totally agree with you, we're still on the same page. I don't want to bash Twistys though, they have an unique recognizable style. I agree though that they should select their series more carefully. I've seen series with 30 close-ups of the vagina in a row. Apart from that... they do what they do and they made some great fetish videos wich I find surprisingly good.

As for investing in productions: I shoot a lot of different things from very mild to very extreme and pay models up to 5000 euro per day, cash. I fly them in from all over the world, including the USA. Many people told me, and still tell me, I'm crazy. But when paying models that kind of crazy money, they'll do anything you ask them to do, they push their own limits, and they'll keep doing it till 4 in the morning if neccessary to get the shoot done. My customers love what I shoot, they see gorgeous girls doing the filthiest stuff, and this is what porn is all about, and should be about. Being a good pornographer means you have to have the guts and be willing and be capable of re-inventing porn. Nobody is interested in copy cats. Remember the first Andrew Blake movie? Great stuff. How long did it take before other producers copied his style (black and white shots, slow motion, pans and tilts?)? And it was all CRAP!

I agree on the piracy problem but we have to continue trying fighting it, or else! We need to do the things I listed in my previous post about preventing piracy. I agree though that if your neigbor doesn't do anything against it, it still affects you. Why would people pay for YOUR porn if they can get your neigbors porn FOR FREE elsewhere?

I also agree on the LIVE thing. It's something I want to add to my sites soon. Pirates can never steal that from you, and they can never duplicate it, because they don't have the skills to produce. That's why they became pirate parasites in the first place :-)

Has there been any kind of parasite in recent history that humans weren't able to get rid off or at least control it?

EukerVoorn · 09-21-2011, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CHMOD

You seem like a good guy ( I read a couple of posts from you )

Please, follow my advice:
Don't waist too much time in here: 90% of GFY users are loosers and keyboard warriors.

Il y a beaucoup mieux à faire que d'essayer de discuter avec des idiots qui, de toutes façons, ne veulent pas discuter mais plutôt te ridiculiser devant leurs cyber-copains qui les trouvent tellement drôle!

Thanks. Well I'm here for professional purposes and try to be positive and constructive. And don't you find the vast group of losers and keyboard warriors in every forum? And I agree on the second bit, but isn't that what being a kid is all about? I was like that when I was 12 and a very long time ago already I learned to accept that most people never grow up. That's why I can't wait for the real big economical crash to happen, so I can sit down on my terace, grab a bottle of Bordeaux and a piece of Epoisses cheese, and observe how this stupid useless cattle is going to cope with that :-)

I'll stick around and I'll learn which people are serious and worth chatting to and which ones are the pretenders and wannabes. I'll save my dirty underwear for them :-)

Vjo · 09-21-2011, 09:18 AM

EukerVoorn, affiliates never talk real biz on chatboards and prob rightly so.

Always been that way.

Damian, I disagree.

I think Paul believes every word. I just am not gonna read all that.

3 lines max per post is the old school rule. I try and do that, usually unsuccessfully.

Folks just dont read more than that.

Vjo · 09-21-2011, 09:42 AM

Paul, you do do a good job of spacing your text and I usually read all your posts. If I start a post I read it.

But Euker, you are way over the top. lol

Producers might read it but affils will never. Noone knows what you said.

What you posted is like 200 posts around here

CaptainHowdy · 09-21-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

I joined this site recently and when I log-in it says "where the industry meets" but when seeing comments from "people" like you with their ten-thousands of posts done in few years time I really think that maybe this is "where the chat addicted losers meet".

Is this "the industry"? That's pretty sad then.

If you dislike Paul so much then why do you read them? Don't you have a production company to run?

You sure have a SallyRandesque aftertaste, Pilsner Euker ....

EukerVoorn · 09-21-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vjo

EukerVoorn, affiliates never talk real biz on chatboards and prob rightly so.

Always been that way.

Damian, I disagree.

I think Paul believes every word. I just am not gonna read all that.

3 lines max per post is the old school rule. I try and do that, usually unsuccessfully.

Folks just dont read more than that.

There are no rules in porn biz. Maybe for the simple ones who use smileys where other people use periods, but not for everybody. And I already wrote somewhere that Paul is preaching for the wrong audience, didn't I?

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WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	__________________ .

09-20-2011, 06:35 PM	#119
Caligari Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: At The Mountains Of Madness Posts: 5,414	Oh man this is rich. Markham TRUMPS all of you people feverishly posting to diss the guy... He's got another 3 page 1000 plus view post mainly because are you are all magically drawn into his rants about the biz just waiting to blast him at every turn If i really gave two shits i would sponsor a clinicial study of "The Markham Effect" because there sure as hell is one Wait a second, I'm posting in this thread WTF...can't stop...from...hitting..enter... __________________ ATTN Webmasters Cruel Bucks - LIVE Gonzo Does Not Pay ------------------------------------------------ Animal Rescue Click Here to Feed An Animal for Free

09-21-2011, 01:17 AM	#130
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	dozens "off the top of my head" idiot. sites that i deal with and promote. yes there are 10,000 shitty poor selling websites. as there are 10,000 shitty selling books, movies, restaurants etc. so what? Last edited by porno jew; 09-21-2011 at 01:20 AM..

09-21-2011, 03:58 AM	#134
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Too bad Paul doesn't practice what he preaches.... I should go around and tell everyone here why they suck at being billionaires and how each of you are doing it wrong. No, I don't have a billion dollars, but I can act like I do.... and teach you why you don't, a double win for everyone! __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

09-21-2011, 09:18 AM	#147
Vjo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Happy 4th of July :) Posts: 6,082	EukerVoorn, affiliates never talk real biz on chatboards and prob rightly so. Always been that way. Damian, I disagree. I think Paul believes every word. I just am not gonna read all that. 3 lines max per post is the old school rule. I try and do that, usually unsuccessfully. Folks just dont read more than that. Last edited by Vjo; 09-21-2011 at 09:20 AM..

09-20-2011, 04:08 PM	#108
papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	paul markham = broke troll

09-20-2011, 04:31 PM	#109
EukerVoorn So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Les Alpes, France Posts: 1,423	Paul, what you come up with makes sense to producers, but your preaching to the wrong audience here because most are webmasters who don't produce their content but get it from their sponsors. (or they just grab it from other sites). If you are a producer you need to make relatively more profit because you have higher costs. Webmasters hardly have any costs. They need a server and the book html for dummies and that's about it. Us producers need a studio, models, flights, equipment, etc etc. For a webmaster to get proper sales, he needs traffic and good material. For us producers to get proper sales, we need traffic, and we need to PRODUCE good material. A webmaster can be happy with 10,000 hits per day, and 2 sign-ups. He'll be making profit that day. A producer needs at least 10 sign-ups a day to keep going and 20 sign-ups a day to continue growing. The way I see it is, that producers don't only need traffic, but also quality, unique material. As for the rapidshare problem: Producers need to protect their content. The following things are already done by some of us: 1) Stop the sharing of passwords completely using proper scripts. Most content theft is done through shared passwords, because content thieves make it a sport not to pay for anything. They will hardly ever pull their credit cards, download your content, and upload it to Rapidshare. It happens but not a large scale. I'm now using scripts that make sharing of passwords by two or more people impossible. (anything interested in this message me) 2) Embed user-ID in downloaded file and/or use watermarking technology to put user ID inside video-footage. If you find your footage on Rapidshare you download it, then you know which of your members is uploading your content, and you ban him to avoid further damage. 3) Use a service like removeyourcontent.com to have your content removed from Rapidshare, torrents etc 4) Some ban access to their sites from countries like Russia and Ukraine and proxy servers completely. I'm not doing this because I get a few Russian paying members from time to time and haven't caught them uploading my content yet. In my member sections usage of proxy servers is not possible though. If all producers would start using these methods today, things would get very difficult for the Rapidshare, PayPal and torrent mafia.

09-20-2011, 06:19 PM	#117
papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	its nice paul has a new little friend though, im kinda aroused can i suggest a three way reach around to celebrate ?!

09-21-2011, 12:30 AM	#123
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	god shut up man there are dozens of high quality websites that are loved by surfers and make loads of sales every day. example http://hegre-art.com/galleries even at your best you couldn't touch the worst of that they produce. please just stop.

09-21-2011, 12:38 AM	#126
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	i could go on and list a few dozen amazing websites off the top of my head which do killer sales even in the age of tubes. sure sites that were built around a flashy tour and 20 paul markham bargain basement content videos have died, but that's good. that model was substandard and has been eliminated by the market. adapt or die.

09-21-2011, 12:54 AM	#128
Django So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,578	TheSquealer for President

09-21-2011, 01:18 AM	#131
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	no one gives a fuck about Suze Randall. people care about met-art, yes. no one even knows or cares about Suze Randall or all the other dinosaurs of the magazine age.

09-21-2011, 05:07 AM	#136
Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,904	1:3 ratios = fail, fact!

09-21-2011, 06:03 AM	#139
DamianJ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land Posts: 15,808	Do you lot still not realise he is just fucking about? He won troll of the year for a reason. He posts shit he doesn't actually believe in order to wind you all up. And it works. Time and time again. He's a genius and you're all idiots for playing his game.

09-21-2011, 09:42 AM	#148
Vjo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Happy 4th of July :) Posts: 6,082	Paul, you do do a good job of spacing your text and I usually read all your posts. If I start a post I read it. But Euker, you are way over the top. lol Producers might read it but affils will never. Noone knows what you said. What you posted is like 200 posts around here