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DamianJ · 10-12-2011, 12:18 AM

[QUOTE=Paul Markham;18483113]
Show me all the adverts iTunes spend millions on. [quote]

Do I need to go on?

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Then show me the adverts that are giving away free music.

Are you new to this?

Really unsure what point yuou are making. iTunes sell music and spend 600 million on ads. Spotify last.fm, pandora rdio and more advertise and then give away music.

So, what's your point?

DamianJ · 10-12-2011, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Show me all the adverts iTunes spend millions on.

Do I need to go on?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Then show me the adverts that are giving away free music.

Are you new to this?

Really unsure what point yuou are making. iTunes sell music and spend 600 million on ads. Spotify last.fm, pandora rdio and more advertise and then give away music.

So, what's your point?

porno jew · 10-12-2011, 12:37 AM

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Paul Markham · 10-12-2011, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

So, what's your point?

They are run by professional marketing people, not clowns working out of their living room. They don't give more clowns free music to spread everywhere. They put up videos that need a little bit of work to take the music from. They sell cheap music that the buyer can take with him and listen to anywhere. We give our product away at the favored point of consumption.

Can you actually show where they state they spend $600 million solely on iTunes advertising? Clips from You tube, don't show a cost of $600 million.

My other point is simple. Traffic isn't King in porn. Getting men to look at porn is very easy. Every single affiliate does it to some extent. The hard part is getting them to buy it. Getting traffic is easy. Getting enough to sell a product that's better for free than when it's paid for is bloody hard. Sign Ups are King, Retention Emperor.

Free hits consumers "Hot Buttons" far better than paid. If you're in marketing you'll know that phrase, maybe by a different name but it's all te same.

A Consumers Hot Button. Is the needs he has that a supplier has to fill in order to sell. In porn they're often as not these.

Hitting the niche right. (And all that involves in getting the porn right.)
Delivery.
Ease of access.
Trust.

And that's about it. If you can get those right you can sell porn easily. If not then you're left with throwing as many surfers as possible at a site and hoping the site hit's someones hot button.

Major tubes for most people do hit all those buttons.

You can sort through the sites for the right niche, hit right. In most cases. Delivery is great, there when you want it. Ease of access couldn't be easier. Trust, need I say more? The odds on getting scalped on a paysite are far higher than ever on a Tube site.

Paysites don't. Once the money is spent the buyer is often stuck into a site that has low level porn. Usually produced to cheap by a producer who can't get better paid work or shot by the site owner themselves to save cost. Don't tell me about the few who get it right. Met-Art prove what happens when the members area is good.

Delivery, some sites are a bit of a jumble, but both free and paid are level here.

Ease of Access, Tube beat paid hands down on this. No registration, no CC, no membership. Watch once an hour or once a month. All the same with free.

Trust. If you are not paying the odds on getting scammed are less. Less not removed, yes some Tubes can install viruses onto a computer. The big ones treat customers well.

These reasons are why consumers prefer free. iTunes and their ads, don't have ads that are superior to their product, from the consumers POV. In porn that's abundantly clear with 1,000s consuming free for 1-2 buying. Don't nit pick figures, you know it's the right principal.

Think about this with an open mind and come back with a debatable point. Or just throw hate, it makes no difference to me. It does to you and your future employment.

I'm retired.

porno jew · 10-12-2011, 01:03 AM

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DamianJ · 10-12-2011, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

They are run by professional marketing people

Wow. Great point.

Paul Markham · 10-12-2011, 01:09 AM

I do not think free will be removed, it's too late. The horse has bolted so no point in closing the stable door.

I just love pointing out to you and trolls like you how wrong you got it.

Don't bother telling me I'm broke. I'm not. We ran a big operation here for content producers. 3,000 sq ft studio. 2 full time studio staff plus Eva and I 2 people looking after content management, from getting sets ready to go out to magazines to correcting and uploading. A video editor. 3 programmers, working on our sites and on other projects.

Remember Squealer? He saw all this and testified to it here on GFY. And then said we were broke and looking to give him 1/3 of our content production operation to shoot cheap sets. You don't run that kind of show shooting cheap sets. No one realised that because most of you work on the cheap, we didn't.

And we got out 3 years ago and still paying the servers because we still take money. Could you last 3 years doing the minimum work? It's still a nice slice of income. Probably better than yours is. Our income today would get us a mortgage. You still live in a rented one bed flat.

Yes and I now the truth, want to lie?

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Wow. Great point.

Thank you. It's not just marketing people. In general online porn has used low level people. Shooters, rarely did a site pay enough to get the best, programmers the same, design the same and it goes on. The money offline paid and mainstream online paid was far above what online porn paid.

Debate a point and show people you a have the ability to. You need to, I don't.

Jel · 10-12-2011, 01:13 AM

You're broke, get over it.

DamianJ · 10-12-2011, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Debate a point and show people you a have the ability to.

If you come up with a point worth debating, I'd be happy to.

porno jew · 10-12-2011, 01:51 AM

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nico-t · 10-12-2011, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Paul, are you suggesting giving away free porn is something you think is a bad idea?

That is very interesting thinking and certainly gives me food for thought.

You should post these innovative thoughts and ideas more often rather than just repeating yourself like a madman.

Jel · 10-12-2011, 02:43 AM

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nico-t · 10-12-2011, 02:49 AM

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nico-t · 10-12-2011, 03:08 AM

in all seriousness, Paul i need your opinion. My friend wants his business to move to an office space with a bit more room because he has 2 more employees since about a year and the office they're at now is a bit too small. Now he already made the deal with the company who rents out office space, then he told me he was not so sure about the toilet capacity and placement. I told him that i know of someone named Paul on a forum who is an expert on this matter.
So he put everything on hold now, and is eager to hear your view on the toilet situation, before he follows through on the office deal. When you say there is something wrong with the toilets, he is even willing to pull the plug out of the whole deal, because I made it clear to him that you are the office toilet authority.
Including himself there will be 7 people working at the office. After the entrance there is a door to the left with 1 normal toilet and 1 urinal. The door to the right is a meeting space with a small kitchen block. Further up the hall are 2 big office spaces both with a capacity of 4 employees and 1 smaller office for my friend.
What is your opinion about the placement, capacity and the kind of toilets used in this particular office?

Jel · 10-12-2011, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

in all seriousness, Paul i need your opinion. My friend wants his business to move to an office space with a bit more room because he has 2 more employees since about a year and the office they're at now is a bit too small. Now he already made the deal with the company who rents out office space, then he told me he was not so sure about the toilet capacity and placement. I told him that i know of someone named Paul on a forum who is an expert on this matter.
So he put everything on hold now, and is eager to hear your view on the toilet situation, before he follows through on the office deal. When you say there is something wrong with the toilets, he is even willing to pull the plug out of the whole deal, because I made it clear to him that you are the office toilet authority.
Including himself there will be 7 people working at the office. After the entrance there is a door to the left with 1 normal toilet and 1 urinal. The door to the right is a meeting space with a small kitchen block. Further up the hall are 2 big office spaces both with a capacity of 4 employees and 1 smaller office for my friend.
What is your opinion about the placement, capacity and the kind of toilets used in this particular office?

Offices are Queens, toilets are King, and sewage systems are Emporer. The trick is, HOW DO YOU KEEP THEM HAPPY? Any fool can get an Armitage & Shanks installed, it takes a genius to use toilets for girlfriends, and sewage systems as prostitutes. Thing is, which one is a 1st date? 499 splashes on the toilet seat are LOST splashes - forget about the 1 stream into the bowl, because it PROVES MY POINT, if only you would of listened, but marketing 'geniuses' like 'Arry Redknapp will tell you you can lead a horse to bottled water, but can't make it buy it. Off to have chicken soup in the lean-to.

Paul Markham · 10-12-2011, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

in all seriousness, Paul i need your opinion. My friend wants his business to move to an office space with a bit more room because he has 2 more employees since about a year and the office they're at now is a bit too small. Now he already made the deal with the company who rents out office space, then he told me he was not so sure about the toilet capacity and placement. I told him that i know of someone named Paul on a forum who is an expert on this matter.
So he put everything on hold now, and is eager to hear your view on the toilet situation, before he follows through on the office deal. When you say there is something wrong with the toilets, he is even willing to pull the plug out of the whole deal, because I made it clear to him that you are the office toilet authority.
Including himself there will be 7 people working at the office. After the entrance there is a door to the left with 1 normal toilet and 1 urinal. The door to the right is a meeting space with a small kitchen block. Further up the hall are 2 big office spaces both with a capacity of 4 employees and 1 smaller office for my friend.
What is your opinion about the placement, capacity and the kind of toilets used in this particular office?

He should look at the local laws and requirements for this.

Great to see the level of intelligent replies.

Pete an Xbox is the last thing I want. Got far better things to do with my life than live in the non real world of an Xbox.

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nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	in all seriousness, Paul i need your opinion. My friend wants his business to move to an office space with a bit more room because he has 2 more employees since about a year and the office they're at now is a bit too small. Now he already made the deal with the company who rents out office space, then he told me he was not so sure about the toilet capacity and placement. I told him that i know of someone named Paul on a forum who is an expert on this matter. So he put everything on hold now, and is eager to hear your view on the toilet situation, before he follows through on the office deal. When you say there is something wrong with the toilets, he is even willing to pull the plug out of the whole deal, because I made it clear to him that you are the office toilet authority. Including himself there will be 7 people working at the office. After the entrance there is a door to the left with 1 normal toilet and 1 urinal. The door to the right is a meeting space with a small kitchen block. Further up the hall are 2 big office spaces both with a capacity of 4 employees and 1 smaller office for my friend. What is your opinion about the placement, capacity and the kind of toilets used in this particular office?