diesel

Those who argue without basic knowledge will find it educative and those who play around with facts will finally shut up forever

https://youtube.com/watch?v=63hTOaRu7h4

Rochard

Sounds a little one sided, doesn't it?

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SmokeyTheBear

lol totally not slanted in any way whatsoever.

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wehateporn

One-sided, not balanced

Update: Only just spotted the two posts above saying the same

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you have one thing right , that is the dummy version

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Dcat

Total and complete horse shit. This piece of propaganda is targeted at people that don't know any better.

MaDalton

i totally believe someone who names a university after himself

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wehateporn

Exactly, as anyone else will realise what he's doing

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diesel

Most of GFY debates post so much clueless things about it, this clip sorts out some simple facts you cant much argue with them. It is a one sided propaganda but have a look on a propaganda clip of the other side

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vtt8V...eature=related

You feel the difference in the approach lol

Grapesoda

really? seems to point out that the arabs land was givien away and they will not settle for anything less than the death of every jew and the land back... EVEN after they have lost 2 wars...

diesel

The Jewish temple, I bet it was so beautiful.

EddyTheDog

I am pro- Isreal, but even I can see the guy is a wanker....

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blackmonsters

Wow, he sure left out the part about how the Jewish state was started.

I like how he quickly brushed through "they were separated, Jewish and Arab and
the Arabs rejected it after the British left".



In 1948 it was illegal for blacks and whites to drink from the same water fountain in
many American states. Sooooooooooooooooooo....................

Why do we still support policies that have not changed even though we clearly have?



Gee, I wonder why?

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Rochard

After a certain point in time you have to look back and say "possession is nine tenths of the law".

There are lots of land disputes between the world, including one between Japan and Russia since WWII. I also read about another one in the sea of China where a number of countries in the area claim rights and ownership to a number of islands. You don't see Russia demanding death to all of Japan.

It's not "arab land". Fuck, the United States is becoming predominantly Hispanic and I don't see white Americans up and arms chanting death to Mexico.

And the funny thing is.... At the rate the Muslim population is increasing in Israel, pretty soon Israel will be a Muslim nation anyhow.

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blackmonsters

Wow, what you've said is really ironic given the fact that the Jews wanted the state of
Israel because they believe it was theirs 1000's of years ago before Arabs took "possession" of it.




I guess once you pick a side it doesn't matter how fucking stupid your argument is, just
as long as you argue.

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MaDalton

i just watched news on TV today where it said maybe even Isreal will split someday - into a conservative, radical jewish state based in Jerusalem and a liberal state based in Tel Aviv.

at least what i saw about the radical jews didnt look that much different than radical muslims (men with beards, women with head scarfs, separated men & women in busses etc)

religion sucks

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Rochard

That's just it - I don't have a side.

You have two groups of people who claim the same land, but one of them has a long term functioning government. The take Middle East out of it. I love this argument too... The Basque is a group of people, a culture into itself, that exists in the are of France and Spain. They have their own laws, culture, practices, customs, and even their own language. They demand the right to form their own government, but the land they live in belongs to France and Spain. Clearly France and Spain is under no obligation to give up large portions of their land so someone else can create a new country. (The Basque even have their own terrorists, I believe they are called the ETA?)

What if the Amish suddenly decided to rise up, declare they wanted their own country of their own and suddenly demanded they wanted one third of state of Pennsylvania?

I'm not saying Israel is right. Clearly their intention is to continue grabbing as much land as they can while they can.

Whatever, the two sides need to cut it out already. This has been going on since the creation of Israel, and clearly Israel isn't moving any time soon.

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slavdogg

good video.
thanks for sharing

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Si

Quite true here.

All over the world you have historical conquests which led to people being divided, but the cultures still remained.

Also on a side note, When you think about it, land Disputes even go as deep as neighbours fighting over a fence being 1 foot on the other persons property.

porno jew

Dennis Prager is an idiot. links pulled from diesel action.

Rochard

There are land disputes all around the world.

Japan and Russia have a dispute about the Kuril islands. Seems these islands were Japanese since the late 1800s, but at the close of WWII Russia attacked and invaded them, and took them over. Since then Japan has been demanding Russia give the islands back. But so far as the Russians are concerned, those islands now belong to Russia - and the Russian government is in charge there.

Possession is nine-tenths of the law.

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slavdogg

you're an idiot.


Most universities are named after some dude

Can you guess which universities were founded by these individuals ?
John Harvard
Leland Stanford
Elihu Yale
James Duke

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Si

The list of land disputes still alive today must be huge. Some off the top of my head:

Falklands
Gibralta
The Arctic
Basque regions
The Balkans
Israel
The guy next door who thinks your shed is 1 foot on his property.

Just put the last one in for fun, but it is about as stupid as that in my eyes.

MaDalton

thanks for the insult

in most of the rest of the world it works differently though.

and the guy is still a very biased idiot

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MaDalton

btw - it took me 3 minutes to find out that all four you listed were either not named after themselves (Leland Stanford - who named it after his son) or named later after them because they founded them (or gave money to found them).

so who's the idiot now?

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Si

He obviously isn't from Europe where the best Universities are named after where they are based. And so are the bad ones

Grapesoda

low intelligence among the 'natives'

Grapesoda

how about the glacier in between India/Pakistan... that one is fucking hoot...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siachen_conflict

so fucking cold they can barely fight

Si

There is probably hundreds of them on an international scale. It is just one of those things us animals have in them about boundaries and territory. Conflicts over the course of history have helped fuel them and turn them in to large scale problems.

moeloubani

the Palestinian/Israeli conflict isn't so much about land ownership as it is about equality

the Palestinians are oppressed and not allowed to prosper while the other side has all the advantages and benefits of a modern society

all Palestinians want is equality, they are tired of being treated like sub grade humans just because of their race and/or religion

but things are moving in the right direction and the Palestinians are fighting for a way to be able to govern themselves and distance themselves from the oppression and brutality that Israel puts them through day after day

http://www.npr.org/2011/11/29/142920...nize-palestine

EddyTheDog

This is the point - Israel is not going to be negotiated out of existence.

No amount of shouting accusations at each other and sabre rattling is going to achieve the demise of Israel. So the haters from both sides may as well just STFU.

The only way to get rid of Israel is with a war that could easily spark something that will be catastrophic for the whole world.

The only real option is to work out a way that Israel can exist peacefully in that region.

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Zionist propaganda at it's finest.

I doubt my YouTube comment will be approved.

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In his op-ed to The New York Times on May 16, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told the world in no uncertain terms that Palestinian statehood and UN recognition would not end the conflict:

Palestine’s admission to the United Nations would pave the way for the internationalization of the conflict as a legal matter, not only a political one. It would also pave the way for us to pursue claims against Israel at the United Nations, human rights treaty bodies and the International Court of Justice.

But no one seemed to notice that this admission contradicts the core argument for Palestinian statehood: The Palestinians are fighting for their state, so they have told the world, for their political self-determination, for their national self-realization; so the creation of a Palestinian state is the way to end the conflict.

Now we have a new iteration of this rather awkward contradiction in the words of the Palestinian Authority’s ambassador to Lebanon in an interview with the Lebanese English language newspaper, the Daily Star:

When we have a state accepted as a member of the United Nations, this is not the end of the conflict. This is not a solution to the conflict. This is only a new framework that will change the rules of the game.

And still no one seems to notice the contradiction here.

But in addition to telling the world that even after the so-called Palestinian people have their state they will continue the conflict, Ambassador Abdullah Abdullah went on to say that:

…Palestinian refugees would not become citizens of the sought for U.N.-recognized Palestinian state, an issue that has been much discussed. “They are Palestinians, that’s their identity,” he says. “But … they are not automatically citizens.”

This would not only apply to refugees in countries such as Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and Jordan or the other 132 countries where Abdullah says Palestinians reside. Abdullah said that “even Palestinian refugees who are living in [refugee camps] inside the [Palestinian] state, they are still refugees. They will not be considered citizens.”

The Palestinian Liberation Organization would remain responsible for refugees, and Abdullah says that UNRWA would continue its work as usual.

What an incredible irony. For years, the world has supported the concept of a Palestinian state, and forgiven the endless relentless Palestinian terrorism, on the grounds that Palestinians are stateless people who deserve a country of their own. And now, a senior Palestinian official has announced that once they have received a state, most Palestinians will still be stateless – even those who actually live in “Palestine.” Moreover, the new state won’t provide these residents with any services: It expects UNRWA – or, more accurately, the American and European taxpayers, who provide the bulk of that organization’s funding – to continue providing their schooling, healthcare, welfare allowances, etc. So almost half of all the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip will not be citizens of the state that demands to be created in order for these same people to have a state.

It is beyond incredible that a senior Palestinian Authority official feels free to express openly this utterly transparent hypocrisy. The leaders of the Palestinian Authority are abrogating their own supposedly “sacred right of return” (haq el-auwda), their hitherto uncompromisable demand, canonized in the UN umpteen times since 1949, for the end to the statelessness of the so-called “Palestinian refugees.” That which they have demanded for the last 60 years as a non-negotiable concession from Israel they now nullify with one sentence, and with no explanation, by refusing to offer it to their own.

Even the most obdurately blind to the real intentions of the Palestinian Authority cannot close their eyes to the transparent intentions expressed in this Machiavellian statement of rejection.

Palestinian leaders are not demanding a state so that they can have their “long-denied homeland” for their poor suffering ”Palestinian refugees,” all those millions of people who languish in the exile of their so-called “Palestinian Diaspora.” If they were, they could not now deny to some that right that they have so vociferously and self-righteously demanded from Israel.
Rather, they are demanding a state so that they can more effectively and efficiently pursue their war against Israel.

If they were to use their resources to resettle immigrants, to build a viable economy, to create employment for the supposed millions of “Palestinians” who will presumably return joyously from exile and flock to their newly recognized homeland, to construct housing projects, schools, hospitals, infrastructure, etc., there might then be fewer resources to devote to their endless, relentless war against Israel: The political war in the UN, the violent terror war, the PR war in the world’s media, the legal war of lawfare in the West, and the academicians’ war played out on college campuses. The repatriated “refugees” would be a distraction.

If they were to drain the refugee camps of their “refugees” and resettle them and offer them the opportunities for constructive work and education and a normal life, they would soon have fewer desperately poor oppressed people from whom to recruit their suicide bombers and terrorist operatives; and they would lose the PR value of the heart-rending and gut-wrenching image of the hopeless, hapless, helpless, homeless refugee languishing in the “Palestinian Diaspora,” longing desperately for his ancient homeland. The rehabilitated “refugees” would become a PR liability.

Lastly, when one considers the resources available to the nascent “Palestinian state” from Arab oil-rich countries, it is obvious that these “Palestinian state” allies ought to be happy to offer aid and loans and political and economic cooperation to the new brethren Muslim Arab state in order to make sure that its launch is successful and that it has the resources needed to solve its “refugee problem” – if they really cared a whit about the “refugees.” Yet no one has reacted to this astonishingly hypocritical rejection of citizenship for the “refugees.” How could this be, unless these Arab states share the same goal of continued conflict until victory, and victory means the destruction of Israel?

And indeed, it seems very likely that the reason for these seemingly contradictory statements, these hypocritical pronouncements, is because Palestinian Authority leadership recognizes the need to reassure its allies in the Arab and broader Muslim world that Palestinian statehood will not mean accommodation with the accursed Zionists. No, statehood will merely make the implementation of the great final jihad more efficient, and thus bring nearer the day when Israel can be wiped off the face of the earth.

What better reason to deny statehood than the recognition that such status for the PLO/Fatah/Hamas, the leaders of the future state, will actually contribute to continued war and terrorism and suffering, and will assist these terrorists to achieve their goal of genocide?

This admission clarifies beyond rational doubt that support for a Palestinian state is support for the destruction of Israel and the genocide of its Jews.



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Just Alex

Never ending excuse for you and your people. Oh Dennis Prager guy isn't Jewish by any chance? Shocker!

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...And that's all you got out of that article???





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Rochard

But it's not Israel that's holding them down. Seems to me the entire Arab world has no desire to see them do well either. The Palestinians need to create a government, create a country, and then start acting like a country. Then they need to pray that Israel will accept them and knock off their shit.


I don't think a war with Israel will solve anything. Israel, and more specifically the Jewish race, is one of the few races in the world that was faced with extinction. They take their defense very, very seriously. They've bitch smacked the entire Middle East more than once.

I think Israel will cease to be a Jewish state in the future. The Muslim population there is rising, and soon there will be more Muslims living in Israel than Jews. One fourth of Israel is not Jewish, and that percentage is growing.

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Just Alex

Lets put it this way, I didn't learn anything new. Hearing this BS from you or original author - David Meir-Levi, is like listening to David Duke about "racial misconceptions" and taking it seriously and "objectively".

Oh BTW, here's some good reading for you.

http://iamthewitness.com/listeners/J...e.NEWS-WHY.htm

And speaking of David Duke.

http://www.davidduke.com/general/jew...-rug_3721.html

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This debate gives both sides of the story

Cross CrossTalk: Finkelstein vs Morris

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Right, that's why there weren't any jews in nazi Germany or Soviet Union or pretty much any other country in the world. Funny how it's the same old song to win world's sympathy. I mean come on, for thousands of years Jews have been driving force of commerce in pretty much every country they set their feet on. What kind of extinction is that? Yes, Germans did horrible things to them, but not only Jews who suffered. Gypsies, Poles, Russians - Millions of people died in concentration camps, not just jews.

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EddyTheDog

Read what I said again. A war would be a disaster for everyone...

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If you found the middle east conflict video interesting and informative, this video will explain the world economy in under 1 minute

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mafia_man

Good clip.

Much better than the first one.

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moeloubani

funny how Michael Sperber, a confessed goyim, still pretends to be Jewish

and as you can expect a goyim like Sperber would do a copy and paste because he himself has no idea what to say/do and just relies on being a pretend Jew and just regurgitating what someone else says

so it is no surprise that what he posts is full of lies and misinformation, things like talking about the Palestinians as if they are waging a war on Israel when the reality is the Palestinians are defending themselves against Israeli oppression and brutality that makes the Holocaust look like child's play in comparison

like I said in my earlier post all the Palestinians want is equality and Israel doesn't see non-Jews as equal (they would laugh at your marriage, Sperber and spit on that non-Jewish wife of yours as they tell you how your kids aren't really Jewish)

but last of all I find it funny how the writer says that all Palestinians want is to continue their genocide on the Israeli people when earlier in the post he actually makes a reference to the truth - that the Palestinian people want to use the UN and democracy and diplomacy to deal with the Israel problem

it is Israel who kills and ignores diplomacy, not Palestine.

sperbonzo

I said nothing in my post about being Jewish, so what made you bring it up?

You know nothing about me, my history, my beliefs, my wife, or my son. You are a pathetic weakling hiding behind a keyboard, throwing personal insults since you can do nothing but rant your revisionist history.

Are you going to be in Vegas in Jan? Does your mom let you go out of town by yourself? I would really love to meet you and discuss my wife and child with you face to face. I wonder if you have the balls, Mr "Keyboard Warrior"...




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...and silence. That's what I thought. You're brave enough to talk shit about a man's wife and child when you are safe a few thousand miles away, but that's about it...


You're a pathetic little turd, and I hope someone scrapes you off of the bottom of their shoe and puts you back in the toilet where you came from.




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moeloubani

awwww is somebody angry? can't handle the truth? sorry i was out doing real life things while you were sitting in front of the computer grinding your teeth at some guy 'a few thousands of miles away'

unlike you sperber i have a mind that can deal with my problems

the only time i would get violent is when i am defending myself, but you are a great example of your average Israeli supporter who can't handle the truth so instead turns to violence

you are sooo cool and tough dude, calling me a keyboard warrior for just typing some things out while you threaten physical violence on me while you are thousands of miles away

who is the 'keyboard warrior'?

heres a tip so you don't sound like a little bitch all the time: don't threaten physical violence on someone over the internet, it makes you look like an idiot little kid.

dont know why youre mad at me for your kids and wife not being Jewish, you should be mad at the Israelis that make it that way

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Grow up.....

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moeloubani

and funny how you mention silence, i do recall a time when you called me out on something thinking you were about to embarrass me just to have your ass handed to you and run away like the little bitch goyim you are

is that why you're going to the physical violence? ive already beat you when it comes to smarts? what a goyim lol

edit: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1023437

Last line in that:

6 months later and no reply from you and you want to talk about silence when i dont answer a message for 20 minutes? LOL damn youre dumb