Who are the big internet marketing gurus ?

[jay23]

The guys who train others on how to market on the net. For example I have been a big fan of Glazer-Kennedy , any others ?

Jay

[LAJ]

Beware of anyone calling themselves a guru or being referred to as one. Cuz most of the time they are anything but.

[fris]

most of them peddle shit that they rely on gullable people to buy, the information is often free or invalid.

warriorforums is a very good example.

[2ndxachrm]

all these gurus are just marketing fakes. they have spent thousands building huge mailing list and writing professional add copy to get people to buy their stuff. they pray on people who want the easy life and dont want to work for it. Nothing can be done for an hour a day at first.

[CurrentlySober]

I wouldn't use the word 'Guru' but I'd certainly hit up Damian...

He has some REALLY GOOD ideas...

(100% Unsolicited Recommendation...)

[WiredGuy]

If you need to advertise yourself as a guru, you probably aren't one...
WG

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

I wouldn't use the word 'Guru' but I'd certainly hit up Damian...

He has some REALLY GOOD ideas...

(100% Unsolicited Recommendation...)

Thanks man. Appreciate that.

But heck, I'm no guru. I just help people come up with creative ideas to make more money online.

If the OP is after real experts in online, I'd read Seth Godin's blog. He gets it.

[BareBacked]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

If you need to advertise yourself as a guru, you probably aren't one...
WG

It sells ebooks
makes money thats the bottom line

richjerk

[DamageX]

Oldschool:

Dan Kennedy & Bill Glazer (you already mentioned them)
Jay Abraham
John Carlton
Gary Halbert (RIP)

Younger guys:

Frank Kern
Eben Pagan
Mike Filsaime (former used-car salesman, he'll spam you to death )
Jeff Johnson
Jeff Walker
Rich Scheffren

Probably a whole bunch more, both oldschool and younger ones I can't remember right off the bat. But many will just regurgitate what the above have to say, albeit with a twist on it.

If you want more pointers on whom to check out first and what to look for, feel free to hit me up on ICQ (1566665).

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Seth Godin's blog. He gets it.

Seth Godin's primarily a theorist. Sure, he may have some real-world experience, but primarily from writing books. The guys I mentioned would wipe the floor with him any day of the week, when it comes to making money first-hand from marketing.

[B.Barnato]

This guy is probably the one I look up to the most:

http://www.prfire.co.uk/uncategorize...oax-15351.html

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

If you need to advertise yourself as a guru, you probably aren't one...
WG

[2intense]

@2intense

[Supz]

Originally Posted by fris

most of them peddle shit that they rely on gullable people to buy, the information is often free or invalid.

warriorforums is a very good example.

If you can find a million stupid people to buy something for a dollar. You are a guru.

[clicker]

Originally Posted by Supz

If you can find a million stupid people to buy something for a dollar. You are a guru.

What if you educated a million people on how not to get scamed for a dollar on the internet. Wouldnt that be the best dollar they ever spent?

[clicker]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

If you need to advertise yourself as a guru, you probably aren't one...
WG

Guru alert!!!

[jay23]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Thanks man. Appreciate that.

But heck, I'm no guru. I just help people come up with creative ideas to make more money online.

If the OP is after real experts in online, I'd read Seth Godin's blog. He gets it.

Yep, Seths blog is good, also his book

Jay

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by clicker

What if you educated a million people on how not to get scamed for a dollar on the internet. Wouldnt that be the best dollar they ever spent?

Selling something to stupid people is much easier than educating them.

[baryl]

The ones that making their money and not trying to sell a 9.99 e-book

[jay23]

Originally Posted by DamageX

Oldschool:

Dan Kennedy & Bill Glazer (you already mentioned them)
Jay Abraham
John Carlton
Gary Halbert (RIP)

Younger guys:

Frank Kern
Eben Pagan
Mike Filsaime (former used-car salesman, he'll spam you to death )
Jeff Johnson
Jeff Walker
Rich Scheffren

Probably a whole bunch more, both oldschool and younger ones I can't remember right off the bat. But many will just regurgitate what the above have to say, albeit with a twist on it.

If you want more pointers on whom to check out first and what to look for, feel free to hit me up on ICQ (1566665).

Thanks for this list, will hit you up on ICQ.

[Cherry7]

Just watch all episodes od"Mad Men", you'll get the general idea and be entertained at the same time.

[beks001]

Originally Posted by baryl

The ones that making their money and not trying to sell a 9.99 e-book

Some of those ebook guys make what I would love to only dream about making...so I hear. Some of them must be. Someone has to be making money in ebooks.

[lagcam]

i think it depends what you are selling and who you want to sell it to.

There is no easy "Read what this guy says and be an expert" solution.

[AdultKing]

There are more people in the world spending money on learning Internet Marketing than making money from Internet Marketing.

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by DamageX

Seth Godin's primarily a theorist. Sure, he may have some real-world experience, but primarily from writing books. The guys I mentioned would wipe the floor with him any day of the week, when it comes to making money first-hand from marketing.

Theory is the fishing pole.

[porno jew]

such depressing low grade garbage fuck that shit.

[chucklesnorris]

Originally Posted by DamageX

Oldschool:

Dan Kennedy & Bill Glazer (you already mentioned them)
Jay Abraham
John Carlton
Gary Halbert (RIP)

Younger guys:

Frank Kern
Eben Pagan
Mike Filsaime (former used-car salesman, he'll spam you to death )
Jeff Johnson
Jeff Walker
Rich Scheffren

Probably a whole bunch more, both oldschool and younger ones I can't remember right off the bat. But many will just regurgitate what the above have to say, albeit with a twist on it.

If you want more pointers on whom to check out first and what to look for, feel free to hit me up on ICQ (1566665).

Nice list. Can't stand Mike Filsaime though.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by jimmycooper

Theory is the fishing pole.

Normally I would agree with you. But not in this case.

See, by the time it occured to Seth that there's such a thing as "permission marketing", people like Gary Halbert and Dan Kennedy had already been doing it practically for decades. Not only them, but others before them had been doing it for decades. AND it had already been written about countless times.

Then, one day (in our time) along comes Seth Godin and it FINALLY occurs to him: "Shit, if I got their permission to sell to them, I'd sell more! What a nifty concept!" But instead of actually trying it out, he decides to write a book about it and let the publisher market and sell it.

[trevesty]

The only person I'd call a "guru" doesn't spam his mailing list and other avenues.

He's more of a media buyer these days, though.

There's a good chance he's behind a lot of the dieting/fitness ads you see on Facebook.

[DamageX]

[QUOTE=trevesty;18680172]The only person I'd call a "guru" doesn't spam his mailing list and other avenues. [QUOTE=trevesty;18680172]

You mean someone who likes leaving money on the table?

What is your understanding of "spamming" your e-mail list? Sending mails daily, twice a week, weekly? What if the list you have actually WANTS your "spam"? If it really were "spam" then you'd see a shitload of people opting out. The REAL "gurus" split-test this continually, and come up with the most profitable balance between unsubscribing and sales volume.

Originally Posted by trevesty

He's more of a media buyer these days, though.

Yes, to increase his list.

Originally Posted by trevesty

There's a good chance he's behind a lot of the dieting/fitness ads you see on Facebook.

Yes, to increase his list.

[rock-reed]

Chris Pirrilo.

[travs]

self-proclaimed gurus mostly sell dreams as the saying goes...those who can't, teach.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by travs

self-proclaimed gurus mostly sell dreams as the saying goes...those who can't, teach.

Or they can, but they choose to teach instead, because it's a lot more profitable.

[Why]

anyone sharing their great secret, has already used it all up, beat it to death and is now selling it to the next idiot, while they wait for their next big scheme to pop into their heads.

if any one truly knew an easy way to get rich they would drive it like the own it, not share it with a bunch of uncreative people on the internet.

[AmeliaG]

The good gurus are not sharing "secrets", they are teaching good business practices.

[EroTechnology]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Odd you don't see any Russians on that list..

I have known a number of Eastern Europeans who had some mad skills when it comes to marketing (particularly with their Black Hat on).

[clicker]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

The good gurus are not sharing "secrets", they are teaching good business practices.

Building wealth takes along a time and getting rich quick involves a huge amount of luck.

[maxjohan]

Originally Posted by beks001

Some of those ebook guys make what I would love to only dream about making...so I hear. Some of them must be. Someone has to be making money in ebooks.

This guy makes a good income from ebooks.
http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog...bs-mike-geary/

Good read

[chaze]

If you are that good at marketing you would not be selling your skills you would be making money from them.

Your best bet is to find someone pretty good that can show you past results.

[trevesty]

[QUOTE=DamageX;18680308][QUOTE=trevesty;18680172]The only person I'd call a "guru" doesn't spam his mailing list and other avenues.

Originally Posted by trevesty

You mean someone who likes leaving money on the table?

What is your understanding of "spamming" your e-mail list? Sending mails daily, twice a week, weekly? What if the list you have actually WANTS your "spam"? If it really were "spam" then you'd see a shitload of people opting out. The REAL "gurus" split-test this continually, and come up with the most profitable balance between unsubscribing and sales volume.



Yes, to increase his list.



Yes, to increase his list.

He has his own website where he does all of "that"... the typical John Chow stuff. I believe he sends an e-mail out every 2 weeks or so... and yes, he makes more than most just from that. IIRC, he started doing that at the recommendation of John Chow.


Doing media buys to landing pages with the offers ONLY to increase his mailing list?

I understand you're describing 99% of the mainstream marketers out there who make bank, but this guy makes enough money without that that it's really not necessary or worth his time. He's mastered the art of media buying.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Doing media buys to landing pages with the offers ONLY to increase his mailing list?

I understand you're describing 99% of the mainstream marketers out there who make bank, but this guy makes enough money without that that it's really not necessary or worth his time. He's mastered the art of media buying.

You're apparently too retarded to understand this. Relying on media buying alone is a dangerous strategy. The traffic can dry up at any time, competitors can bid up the prices, the traffic can stop converting, you name it. Once any of these happen, you're up shit creek without a paddle. Having a solid list, on the other hand, allows you to keep selling even without an infusion of outside traffic.

Anyone doing media buys and NOT increasing their list (with or without selling something at the same time) is exposing themselves to more risk then necessary AND leaving long-term money on the table. Sure, you can argue some media buyers do really well, for the time being, and they need not build a list. But that doesn't negate the fact that they could be making much more, for a much longer time, if they were to keep building their list at the same time.

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by DamageX

Normally I would agree with you. But not in this case.

See, by the time it occured to Seth that there's such a thing as "permission marketing", people like Gary Halbert and Dan Kennedy had already been doing it practically for decades. Not only them, but others before them had been doing it for decades. AND it had already been written about countless times.

Then, one day (in our time) along comes Seth Godin and it FINALLY occurs to him: "Shit, if I got their permission to sell to them, I'd sell more! What a nifty concept!" But instead of actually trying it out, he decides to write a book about it and let the publisher market and sell it.

lol. Here's a good old school book.

http://www.amazon.com/Ogilvy-Adverti...dp/039472903X/

Originally Posted by chaze

If you are that good at marketing you would not be selling your skills you would be making money from them.

I've found that it's really difficult to truly know what is going on in everyone's lives which makes really hard to know exactly why it is that people are doing what they're doing.