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Paul Markham · 02-26-2012, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

What a good, fast way to waste $200 to $2000.

This is the problem - too many noobs would read this and think that its a crap shoot, or a "numbers game" when it doesn't have to be. There is more involved when it comes to testing traffic. Here's a slightly more complete picture of what really should be done.

My post was how to find reliable sellers of traffic and nothing more. Thank you for adding the rest that is for most a given.

Of course selling is a lot more than dumping traffic on a site. I think I might have said that before.

ilnjscb · 02-26-2012, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

What a good, fast way to waste $200 to $2000.

This is the problem - too many noobs would read this and think that its a crap shoot, or a "numbers game" when it doesn't have to be. There is more involved when it comes to testing traffic. Here's a slightly more complete picture of what really should be done.

- Choose a seller, for example, Choker.

- If your site accepts credit cards only, buy traffic only from countries that your card processor will accept.

- Make sure your banner or ad exactly matches your content. (Don't advertise Adidas if you only sell Nike). This will keep your traffic targeted and make your stats more accurate. People won't click the banner if they don't like it, and they won't buy if the product is not reflective of the banner.

- Use a referral code in your banner links. If you can't or don't have the programming skills to do this, sign up as your own affiliate using CCBill's affiliate program and set the payout at 0%, then use CCBill's reporting system to show you the performance of your ad.

- Track, track, and track everything.

- Use multiple join pages. A/B switch them if possible.

- Host your own banners. Place them on a sub domain that serves only these banners if possible. Yes this uses more bandwidth but you can then compare impressions to clicks if the seller doesn't offer this service.

- We never buy pop unders but if you must, see if you can track the pop-under load separately from the pop-under click. This will tell you if your pop unders are of any real use to you.

One you have it all setup and running, watch your Google Analytics. You'll know fast if you're getting the clicks promised, and if the quality of those clicks is what the seller promised you.

The next time you buy advertising from Choker or anyone else, try the above and if you feel like it, post screenshots of the stats in threads along with your rants and raves. Armed with real data, people will be able to offer solid advice on how to avoid the problem you are facing.

Great post.

Jack Sparrow · 02-26-2012, 03:50 AM

Choker.

Why do you keep denying that your traffic sucks major dick.
You keep boasting about selling 95% of your traffic blabla but the thing is, the traffic you seem to be selling the most is that percentage that is not bringing sales.

Could you show us that site again with the fake thumbs where you send it from?

I mean come on man. Half of those sites you are rehashing that traffic through are your own. And they are really shitty. I took you up on the offer in your signature and posted stats off your traffic before, but then you asked the mods here to ban me for it and demanded i leave you alone which i did.

Man up.

Nothing personal off course.

If someone wants real traffic hit me up. I will show you some brokers and plugsellers that sell you REAL traffic. Not traffic send through 10 sites with fake thumbs and dozens of popups before they get to your site and are frustrated to hell and back.

AllAboutCams · 02-26-2012, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

Choker.

Why do you keep denying that your traffic sucks major dick.
You keep boasting about selling 95% of your traffic blabla but the thing is, the traffic you seem to be selling the most is that percentage that is not bringing sales.

Could you show us that site again with the fake thumbs where you send it from?

I mean come on man. Half of those sites you are rehashing that traffic through are your own. And they are really shitty. I took you up on the offer in your signature and posted stats off your traffic before, but then you asked the mods here to ban me for it and demanded i leave you alone which i did.

Man up.

Nothing personal off course.

If someone wants real traffic hit me up. I will show you some brokers and plugsellers that sell you REAL traffic. Not traffic send through 10 sites with fake thumbs and dozens of popups before they get to your site and are frustrated to hell and back.

were is a good place to buy us popups?

Trade_Monkey · 02-26-2012, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SAC

NOBODY sells productive traffic.

Bullshit ...

When I can squeeze out $1000 out of a bannerspot then you can always buy the spot for $1200.

Always remember that program owners have more profit from a sale then affiliates.
So yea, productive traffic is for sale, .... BUT ... "not cheap".

If you can make 20 a 25% profit from advertisement spots then in my eyes it's ok. But most webmasters and program owners like to double their investment (at least).

Rothstein · 02-26-2012, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

In case it isn't obvious..

Um, this person has zero to do with me moron. I don't know why he's using my name in his sig, must be a fan.

Jakez · 02-29-2012, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rothstein

Um, this person has zero to do with me moron. I don't know why he's using my name in his sig, must be a fan.

Not sure why I'm a moron, but I was just pointing out to Choker that the guy is obviously trolling.

DEA · 02-29-2012, 08:26 PM

Choker sells traffic not sales.

as far as i know chocker has never advetised or made claims or any sales ratios to any of the traffic he sells...

in laymans terms look at it like a highway :

just because 100,000 people drivredown that highway everyday doesnt mean your halfass tuneup tire shop is going to get customers...all he is providing is the cars driving down the road..not the suckers who stop and buy your overpiced used tires.

nuf-sad.

bean-aid · 02-29-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FORGOTMYSCREENNAME

Choker sells traffic not sales.

as far as i know chocker has never advetised or made claims or any sales ratios to any of the traffic he sells...

in laymans terms look at it like a highway :

just because 100,000 people drivredown that highway everyday doesnt mean your halfass tuneup tire shop is going to get customers...all he is providing is the cars driving down the road..not the suckers who stop and buy your overpiced used tires.

nuf-sad.

Maybe choker should make available the sites sending traffic. Shit, you don't even need to upload a banner.

The traffic is shit, I know it, so does most others. If there is an extra secret password to the real traffic, please let me know.

I could send 100K purchased traffic to my tour with tons of hd trailer vids and my bandwidth wouldn't even go up.

That's how bad his traffic is, and many others

AllAboutCams · 02-29-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

Maybe choker should make available the sites sending traffic. Shit, you don't even need to upload a banner.

The traffic is shit, I know it, so does most others. If there is an extra secret password to the real traffic, please let me know.

I could send 100K purchased traffic to my tour with tons of hd trailer vids and my bandwidth wouldn't even go up.

That's how bad his traffic is, and many others

easy way to see were the traffic is cumming from is use Google analytics's live you can see the sites there

bean-aid · 02-29-2012, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxupdate

easy way to see were the traffic is cumming from is use Google analytics's live you can see the sites there

The traffic is bad. Like I said, maybe there is a secret password link to *real* traffic. Straight up buying from choker is pissing money away... the same goes for a lot of traffic buys

Jakez · 02-29-2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

The traffic is bad. Like I said, maybe there is a secret password link to *real* traffic. Straight up buying from choker is pissing money away... the same goes for a lot of traffic buys

The good shit is probably already sold to long time repeat buyers before it even arrives. The 'newbies' get the leftover.

Other than that.. there's always a way to turn a profit from it and that's up to the buyer. There are people with credit cards on your site, make them buy something. The only difference between good and shit US traffic is the way it's delivered, but they are still US traffic and you have to consider how they made it to your site and prepare for that.

Choker · 03-01-2012, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by beaner

Maybe choker should make available the sites sending traffic. Shit, you don't even need to upload a banner.

The traffic is shit, I know it, so does most others. If there is an extra secret password to the real traffic, please let me know.

I could send 100K purchased traffic to my tour with tons of hd trailer vids and my bandwidth wouldn't even go up.

That's how bad his traffic is, and many others

For 5 years now I have told people NOT to buy traffic from any broker and send to a porn paysite. Cam sites dating and tubes. I know of no porn paysites that can make money buying skimmed traffic, not even brazzers. That's exactly why the big programs have made thier own tube sites and buy to them instead. They accumulate bookies that they can sell their porn paysites and dating and cam sites.

Don't say anyones traffic to your porn paysite is shit man. Try doing what all the big guys do now instead. Sending traffic directly to porn paysites died 5 years ago if not 7.

bean-aid · 03-01-2012, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker

For 5 years now I have told people NOT to buy traffic from any broker and send to a porn paysite. Cam sites dating and tubes. I know of no porn paysites that can make money buying skimmed traffic, not even brazzers. That's exactly why the big programs have made thier own tube sites and buy to them instead. They accumulate bookies that they can sell their porn paysites and dating and cam sites.

Don't say anyones traffic to your porn paysite is shit man. Try doing what all the big guys do now instead. Sending traffic directly to porn paysites died 5 years ago if not 7.

Not a blip in bandwidth. Please, it is garbage beyond belief. I tested on a free join site and not a free signup when I tested.

Its total and complete shit and you need to rethink your strategy before you are out of biz. 2cent

Choker · 03-01-2012, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by beaner

Not a blip in bandwidth. Please, it is garbage beyond belief. I tested on a free join site and not a free signup when I tested.

Its total and complete shit and you need to rethink your strategy before you are out of biz. 2cent

What's your account name lets see what is what.

bean-aid · 03-01-2012, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker

What's your account name lets see what is what.

Do you want to do this test? I signed up months ago, if not over a year, bought I think 100K traffic. The free site was mine, it converts surfer to pay at about 1:35 or so.

Your traffic showed people on my site, but nobody signed up. I have a new free tour with about 12 HD promo vids on it.

I will show bw stats for last 7 days, then have someone you don't know buy 100K traffic onto same tour. Bw should quadrouple, I say it won't go up at all.

If you want to do that test, let me know.

Choker · 03-01-2012, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by beaner

Do you want to do this test? I signed up months ago, if not over a year, bought I think 100K traffic. The free site was mine, it converts surfer to pay at about 1:35 or so.

Your traffic showed people on my site, but nobody signed up. I have a new free tour with about 12 HD promo vids on it.

I will show bw stats for last 7 days, then have someone you don't know buy 100K traffic onto same tour. Bw should quadrouple, I say it won't go up at all.

If you want to do that test, let me know.

Again, what is your account name? Why answer my question with another question? I really want to see this free site that converts 1:35 of every surfer that goes to it.

bean-aid · 03-01-2012, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker

Again, what is your account name? Why answer my question with another question? I really want to see this free site that converts 1:35 of every surfer that goes to it.

it is surfer to free join... Not paid. My bad.

Either way, I'm not telling you my account from past I am asking you to put your money where your mouth is. If your traffic lands on my pages, which are awesome, and I don't see a blip of additional bw, what would that tell you?

If your traffic is actually real people I will bite my tongue and apologize to you.

I have a really, really good site right now to test this.

Choker · 03-01-2012, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by beaner

it is surfer to free join... Not paid. My bad.

Either way, I'm not telling you my account from past I am asking you to put your money where your mouth is. If your traffic lands on my pages, which are awesome, and I don't see a blip of additional bw, what would that tell you?

If your traffic is actually real people I will bite my tongue and apologize to you.

I have a really, really good site right now to test this.

Then why don't you post your account name? You claim you bought 100k traffic from me and it was shit , yet you offer no proof of this. Are your sites so bad that you are ashamed of them? You make allegations like this you need to be prepared to back up your words. And I am really looking forward to seeing this magical free site that converts 1:35. Hell man you have accomplished what nobody since 1996 has been able to do.

Choker · 03-01-2012, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by beaner

it is surfer to free join... Not paid. My bad.

.

Ah so now you change your story. So now you are saying that instead of 1:35 visitors converting to paid that 1:35 are converting to free? Hell that's still better than anyone else on this board. If I could make a free site that converts 1 out of every 35 visitors to it into a free join I would be retired in a month. Why don't you post the url of this incredible site so we can all learn something.

bean-aid · 03-01-2012, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker

Then why don't you post your account name? You claim you bought 100k traffic from me and it was shit , yet you offer no proof of this. Are your sites so bad that you are ashamed of them? You make allegations like this you need to be prepared to back up your words. And I am really looking forward to seeing this magical free site that converts 1:35. Hell man you have accomplished what nobody since 1996 has been able to do.

I made an offer. Prove your traffic is worthy or stfu

Your choice

Choker · 03-01-2012, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by beaner

I made an offer. Prove your traffic is worthy or stfu

Your choice

You made a accusation against me WITHOUT PROOF and you are refusing to post any proof. You need to read the rules before you get your ass handed to you. You've already backtracked once and changed your story. Don't try to turn this around like a punk bitch. Last time I'm gonna ask this. What is your account name. Your sites must really suck if you are so ashamed of them that you don't want anyone to know what they are. And I'm still looking forward to seeing this magical 1:35 free site you own.

I think you are full of shit about everything you have posted.

Paul Markham · 03-01-2012, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by anexsia

Very nice post

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Great post.

And now shared with 100s of others.

This is business, his post is like me giving out the list of all the editors and paysites I sell to. Or a sponsor giving out his list of affiliates, Some advice is best not given out.

2MuchMark · 03-01-2012, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker

For 5 years now I have told people NOT to buy traffic from any broker and send to a porn paysite. Cam sites dating and tubes. I know of no porn paysites that can make money buying skimmed traffic, not even brazzers. That's exactly why the big programs have made thier own tube sites and buy to them instead. They accumulate bookies that they can sell their porn paysites and dating and cam sites.

Don't say anyones traffic to your porn paysite is shit man. Try doing what all the big guys do now instead. Sending traffic directly to porn paysites died 5 years ago if not 7.

What? Woah... what?

Choker, listen. I have alot of trouble using your site or any site that lets me pick my own traffic. I prefer using a broker any day than doing it myself.

A good broker has my interests in mind, especially if he or she gets a commission on my sale. If he or she helps me buy good traffic, I will be back to buy more.

I used to buy tons from Traffic Brokers back in the day, as well as Wildline when they had Yahoo paid inclusions, and others. These days Judy at EroAdvertising helps shape our traffic into bite-sized affordable chunks and she has earned my repeat business.

anexsia · 03-01-2012, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And now shared with 100s of others.

This is business, his post is like me giving out the list of all the editors and paysites I sell to. Or a sponsor giving out his list of affiliates, Some advice is best not given out.

True, good point...but it was just nice to see an informative post.

Paul Markham · 03-01-2012, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by anexsia

True, good point...but it was just nice to see an informative post.

Giving out free information allows the less skilled to use it and take your business. Still it shows clearly there's so much more to selling than traffic.

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What a good, fast way to waste $200 to $2000.

This is the problem - too many noobs would read this and think that its a crap shoot, or a "numbers game" when it doesn't have to be. There is more involved when it comes to testing traffic. Here's a slightly more complete picture of what really should be done.

So telling people traffic is king isn't really a help.

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- Choose a seller, for example, Choker.

Without finding out how good his product is?

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- Make sure your banner or ad exactly matches your content. (Don't advertise Adidas if you only sell Nike). This will keep your traffic targeted and make your stats more accurate. People won't click the banner if they don't like it, and they won't buy if the product is not reflective of the banner.

Yes, now you have the traffic the content of the site takes over.

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- Use a referral code in your banner links. If you can't or don't have the programming skills to do this, sign up as your own affiliate using CCBill's affiliate program and set the payout at 0%, then use CCBill's reporting system to show you the performance of your ad.

- Track, track, and track everything.

- Use multiple join pages. A/B switch them if possible.

- Host your own banners. Place them on a sub domain that serves only these banners if possible. Yes this uses more bandwidth but you can then compare impressions to clicks if the seller doesn't offer this service.

- We never buy pop unders but if you must, see if you can track the pop-under load separately from the pop-under click. This will tell you if your pop unders are of any real use to you.

One you have it all setup and running, watch your Google Analytics. You'll know fast if you're getting the clicks promised, and if the quality of those clicks is what the seller promised you.

The next time you buy advertising from Choker or anyone else, try the above and if you feel like it, post screenshots of the stats in threads along with your rants and raves. Armed with real data, people will be able to offer solid advice on how to avoid the problem you are facing.

The rest is "An idiots guide to webmastering". Ultimately the success of an industry selling a high repeat bought product is customer satisfaction, then the amount of competitors in that sector, then the number of people doing the same as the affiliate. There's so much more to selling than "traffic".

This is business. Better to let the newbie fail and not teach him how to take money out of your business.

I still say the only way to test traffic sellers is the same way you test sites, banners, etc. Test them against each other using the same testing. Of course the quality of the test will bring different results, still the same testing will produce who supplies the best traffic. And I don't see anyone doing this.

Maybe a few should try that and tell everyone the results.

adultmobile · 03-01-2012, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker

For 5 years now I have told people NOT to buy traffic from any broker and send to a porn paysite. Cam sites dating and tubes. I know of no porn paysites that can make money buying skimmed traffic, not even brazzers. That's exactly why the big programs have made thier own tube sites and buy to them instead. They accumulate bookies that they can sell their porn paysites and dating and cam sites.

Don't say anyones traffic to your porn paysite is shit man. Try doing what all the big guys do now instead. Sending traffic directly to porn paysites died 5 years ago if not 7.

It is true skimmed should be never sent to a pay page, but, you can send to those free or fake free sites, and it may work on long term. From skimmed traffic I got a few signups of guys who spent since some thousand dollars, I was checking now for curiosity one spent $10,000 from may 2011, and few others $2k to $5k since few months. However, it required several $10k's of skimmed to get them, so I can't say it is a break even yet, mostly it was branding. I sent to tubecamgirl home page, chocker you may remember I purchased a fwe thousand dollars of your traffic past year too (for real LOL).
Still YES it is cheaper to have own tube and use the unsold ads of your tube, then buy it from someone else, just not everyone have own tubes, or they may wish get more traffic.

bean-aid · 03-01-2012, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker

Ah so now you change your story. So now you are saying that instead of 1:35 visitors converting to paid that 1:35 are converting to free? Hell that's still better than anyone else on this board. If I could make a free site that converts 1 out of every 35 visitors to it into a free join I would be retired in a month. Why don't you post the url of this incredible site so we can all learn something.

Listen, the traffic available to the average joe that buys it sucks. It is complete garbage.

I won't post my account name I used.

Go cry to the mods.

DEA · 03-01-2012, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by beaner

Listen, the traffic available to the average joe that buys it sucks. It is complete garbage.

I won't post my account name I used.

Go cry to the mods.

man you have said the same thing a dozen times in this thread..either do something about it other than post on gfy where nobody really gives a shit or stfu

Alex From San Diego · 03-01-2012, 07:13 AM

Same shit different year...some things never change. People have been bitching about Choker's traffic since 1999 if I remember correctly. I have never bought his traffic so I can't say either way. However, what I can say, he has been around for 13 years now. He obviously has been doing something right and providing a valuable service to some.

I will say there is a way to use his traffic that will benefit you. You just have to be creative.

brassmonkey · 03-11-2012, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

Listen, the traffic available to the average joe that buys it sucks. It is complete garbage.

I won't post my account name I used.

Go cry to the mods.

oh come on!

03-01-2012, 07:13 AM	#280
Alex From San Diego Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,642	Same shit different year...some things never change. People have been bitching about Choker's traffic since 1999 if I remember correctly. I have never bought his traffic so I can't say either way. However, what I can say, he has been around for 13 years now. He obviously has been doing something right and providing a valuable service to some. I will say there is a way to use his traffic that will benefit you. You just have to be creative. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do.-Aristotle

02-26-2012, 03:50 AM	#253
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	Choker. Why do you keep denying that your traffic sucks major dick. You keep boasting about selling 95% of your traffic blabla but the thing is, the traffic you seem to be selling the most is that percentage that is not bringing sales. Could you show us that site again with the fake thumbs where you send it from? I mean come on man. Half of those sites you are rehashing that traffic through are your own. And they are really shitty. I took you up on the offer in your signature and posted stats off your traffic before, but then you asked the mods here to ban me for it and demanded i leave you alone which i did. Man up. Nothing personal off course. If someone wants real traffic hit me up. I will show you some brokers and plugsellers that sell you REAL traffic. Not traffic send through 10 sites with fake thumbs and dozens of popups before they get to your site and are frustrated to hell and back.

02-29-2012, 08:26 PM	#258
DEA So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Online Posts: 627	Choker sells traffic not sales. as far as i know chocker has never advetised or made claims or any sales ratios to any of the traffic he sells... in laymans terms look at it like a highway : just because 100,000 people drivredown that highway everyday doesnt mean your halfass tuneup tire shop is going to get customers...all he is providing is the cars driving down the road..not the suckers who stop and buy your overpiced used tires. nuf-sad.