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Old 07-21-2012, 06:18 PM   #101
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I'm going to be straight honest with you.

You arent American, you dont live here, you arent running shit here, and we dont really give a fuck about your opinion on anything.

And thats being nice about it.

Have a nice day.
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Old 07-21-2012, 06:26 PM   #102
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I'm going to be straight honest with you.

You arent American, you dont live here, you arent running shit here, and we dont really give a fuck about your opinion on anything.

And thats being nice about it.

Have a nice day.
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:30 PM   #103
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We should just ban "bans." Make everything legal and let chaos reign.
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:32 PM   #104
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And for all you posters that chime in from other countries against the US guns laws. I'm sorry your government doesn't trust you with guns!
and i am very sorry for you that you feel the need to have guns to protect yourself. try living in a country for a while where this is not necessary and you might be surprised how relieving that is...
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:33 PM   #105
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:40 PM   #106
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Pearl Harbor

Do those words mean anything to you?





en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
You weren't even in the picture until the German U-Boats started sinking your ships off you very own coast. You were neutral for a long time. Pearl Harbour 1941 was the excact point in time you joined the fight. If it wasn't for the Japanese, you would have never even been included.

And Russia? HAHAHAFUCKINGHA!

August 23, 1939 - Nazis and Soviets sign Pact.

Yeah Russia was a huge help.
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:41 PM   #107
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:48 PM   #108
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Saying that banning guns would stop killings is like saying that banning pencils would stop bad spelling.
True... This is why I do not understang the USA fixation of prohibiting a nuclear bomb to Iran ...


Bombs don`t kill people ... people do ...
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:51 PM   #109
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True... This is why I do not understang the USA fixation of prohibiting a nuclear bomb to Iran ...


Bombs don`t kill people ... people do ...
I see what you did there ................... lol
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the key thing pro-gun control people always forget is that people who want to do bad things can always find ways to get guns. i understand and respect where they are coming from, but it's just not realistic.
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Some simple to understand facts for you Europeans to get the "big" picture.

An average of 12,500 homicide firearm deaths a year in America. This figure excludes suicides, but does include justifiable defensive shootings by both police and citizens and accidental firearms discharges. This next figure will be on the high side, but let's say it's an accurate figure for the last 100 years? = 1,250,000

European Gun (or lack of) deaths in the last 100 years.

WWI-
21,228,813
WW2- 55,000,000

I can go on and add figures from the Russian revolution or the purges, Finnish winter war, or even Slobodan Milo?ević. But why?

The truth is when you Europeans fuck yourselves, you always call in Americans to un-fuck you, oh with our guns. So when you preach this rhetoric we want to send you a gun and a calculator.
yep Americans came in with their own personal hand guns that's what saved the days...
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man you couldn't even buy a clue.......
Right... landing crafts, bombers or even leadership and tactics had nothing to do with it, it's the gun grandma keeps under the mattress that won it. I get you.
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The point was if Europeans armed themselves like we Americans did in the last one hundred years? - 80 million of them wouldn't of died,

Got it?
In those days most Europeans where armed, what good does that do against MG42s?

Britain started preparing for war building up the RAF as early as 1933, every other European did the same.

This is like 5th grade all over again...

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"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44:
Wow, this quote needs to be shown to every dumbass American who thinks we should give up our guns.... history always repeats itself...
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"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44:
Read what you just posted, try to comprehend it this time.

In times of war the state will happily provide you with military grade weaponry no need to buy your own. Nowhere does Hitler suggest handguns will stop Luftwaffe bombers or Panzer tanks, only that once conquered "conquered races" "subject races" should be disarmed. In this case Russia, which he never managed to conquer...
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:04 PM   #118
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Damn that's a lot of retarded bullshit you just said, you do know that legal gun owners aren't action movie stars, right? The guy threw tear gas, had a vest and there were tons of people running for their lives and it was dark. You think they all could have shot him? You live in a fantasy world.
I guess you're under the impression that we never turn out the lights at the ranges. Most instructors do that day one to show students what a real life scenario is likely to be like. Our advanced courses, for which I run the servers, include smoke machines, loud poppers strobes, and effects that would make Hollywood drool to more accurately simulate real life scenarios. Since you're obviously an anti-gun nut and therefore would never take any training, how about just admit to yourself that you have no clue what any of the courses are like?

I guarantee you at ten yards I can put a double shot to the head in the dark if the perp stops to reload with his back to me, and I SUCK compared to most people I've shot with. Many, many people could run that drill at 25 yards or more without a problem. If the seven licensed people in the theatre all BARELY passed their competency test, the first guy might not do it, the second one might not, but one of the seven would.

You've decided the bad guy IS an action star. You realize you're assuming that no trained, licensed person is any match at all for the psycho who has stopped to reload and has his back to them. The bad guy had no trouble shooting anyone who tried to run. Exactly why do you think that one guy can shoot 40 people, many of them running, but seven guys can't shoot the one who us standing still? See how that makes no sense?

Stop for a minute and think. Your politics is asking you to believe that one bad guy automatically beats seven good guys. Think that through for a minute. I'm all for a strenous debate, but when you realize that arguing your position requires you to assert that one bad guy always beats seven good guys, it's time to pause and consider whether you're arguing for a belief that's based on actual experience and knowledge about the subject, or whether what Comedy Central told you to think just might be wrong.
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All decent citizens should own a gun not just Americans. I feel discriminated against that i am not allowed to defend myself and my family just because i live in Europe and not in USA.
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All decent citizens should own a gun not just Americans. I feel discriminated against that i am not allowed to defend myself and my family just because i live in Europe and not in USA.
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Agree or disagree?

Also I am sick of those few Americans that keep saying they are entitled to own a gun, this is 2012 not 1939!
I agree. Times are very different now. How often do we hear of a fire arm being used for good and not murder? I cant recall any.. Every time i hear of it it is always a crazy person that has no business owning any kind of device that can cause harm to others randomly murdering innocent people. Al of those voting to not band guns would feel a little different if it was there loved one laying there dead just because some freak has a messed up mind.
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Anyway a society deserves what it creates.
It is just a right to defend yourself.

The problem is elsewhere.
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I agree. Times are very different now. How often do we hear of a fire arm being used for good and not murder? I cant recall any.. Every time i hear of it it is always a crazy person that has no business owning any kind of device that can cause harm to others randomly murdering innocent people. Al of those voting to not band guns would feel a little different if it was there loved one laying there dead just because some freak has a messed up mind.
News doesn't report good things, it would be boring.
I can promise you, more good things than bad happen.
You just don't hear about all the street justice, or bad things that did NOT happen because of a gun.
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Ideally yes. But it wouldn't be practical given how many guns are already on the market. I live in a country where guns are banned, where not even the cops carry guns. And like CamTraffic quoted from Matthey Chapman. Not having guns floating around gives you a freedom from fear. People don't go around being afraid that perhaps around the next corner some nutjob is waiting with a gun.
you can't compare Norway and US. There is gap of at least several centuries between people there (in civilization level and way of thinking). It is just incredible what kind of stupidity I am reading here by most of people, really incredible.....but explains a lot.
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More 5th grade history? There were these little guys wearing sandals, pajamas, with AK47's just a few 100 miles east of you who kicked the shit out of the largest mechanized army in the world.

or

Then there are these illiterate guys riding Chinese dirt bikes who've tied down the largest military in the world with cowshit, diesel fuel, shaved aluminum, and a battery for the last decade.

The point is you can NEVER stop a movement no matter how superior the weapons. Americans weapons are "just" a tangible reminder of a past movement and hope we label freedom.
Better post.

In Afghanistan, like Hitler's talk, it's a governance problem "maintaining law and order". Had your original point been "I want to keep guns to protect myself against the Government" I would have been in total agreement.

It's your argument that it would prevent conflicts altogether that is flawed. As your Vietnam example shows once a conflict starts who wants to be armed is armed. prior ownership has little incidence.
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News doesn't report good things, it would be boring.
I can promise you, more good things than bad happen.
You just don't hear about all the street justice, or bad things that did NOT happen because of a gun.
I never looked at it that way. Don't get me wrong im not saying NO ONE should be able to carry a fire. Just saying that there should be more precautions set in place to prevent them from falling into the wrong hand. How ever as stated in my last post it is 2012 and times have changed and it is impossible to control how the ones that are permitted to own a fire arm handle the responsibility so i guess this is a tough question to make a call on. One thing is for sure in going to think twice before letting my daughter go to the movies with her friends.
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How often do we hear of a fire arm being used for good and not murder? I cant recall any.
News like that doesnt attact the kind of people that like looking at train wrecks. Try using google.
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I agree. Times are very different now. How often do we hear of a fire arm being used for good and not murder? I cant recall any.. Every time i hear of it it is always a crazy person that has no business owning any kind of device that can cause harm to others randomly murdering innocent people. Al of those voting to not band guns would feel a little different if it was there loved one laying there dead just because some freak has a messed up mind.
You can not find what you are not looking for.

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Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day.1 This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.2

* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.3

* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.4

* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.5

* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).6 And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."7

* Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year.8 Many of these self-defense handguns could be labeled as "Saturday Night Specials."
* States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rate by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%;10 and
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Last week, the FBI issued its preliminary 2009 crime report, showing that the number of murders in the first half of 2009 decreased 10 percent compared to the first half of 2008. If the trend holds for the remainder of 2009, it will be the single greatest one-year decrease in the number of murders since at least 1960, the earliest year for which national data are available through the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Also, the per capita murder rate for 2009 will be 51 percent lower than the all-time high recorded in 1991, and it will be the lowest rate since 1963?a 46-year low. Final figures for 2009 will be released by the FBI next year.


According to gun control supporter dogma??more guns means more crime??the number of privately owned firearms must have decreased 10 percent in 2009. To the contrary, however, the number rose between 1.5 and 2 percent, to an all-time high. For the better part of the last 15 months, firearms, ammunition, and ?large? ammunition magazines have been sold in what appear to be record quantities. And, the firearms that were most commonly purchased in 2009 are those that gun control supporters most want to be banned?AR-15s, similar semi-automatic rifles, and handguns designed for defense. The National Shooting Sports Foundation already estimates record ammunition sales in 2009, dominated by .223 Remington, 7.62x39mm, 9mm and other calibers widely favored for defensive purposes.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...estion-801143/


FACT: 0.1% of all deaths for children between the ages 0-14 are from firearms, 0.6% are from motor vehicles, 5.3% are from being struck in beatings or bludgeoning, 6.0% from poisoning, and 42.6% from suffocation.

* 1997 National Center for Health Statistics National Vital Statistics Report

FACT: 18-20 year olds commit over 23% of all gun murders. None of these criminals are allowed to purchase a handgun due to their age under current law.

* U.S. Treasury and Justice Dept. Report, 1999

FACT: 90% of all violent crime in the U.S. does not involve any gun of any type.

* 1998 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms

FACT: Two-thirds of the people that die each year from gunfire are criminals shooting other criminals.

* FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, 1994



FACT: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 per day.

* Gary Kleck, Criminologist, Florida State Univ.

Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminals) is shed.

FACT: Every day, 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes per day are prevented just by showing a handgun. In less than 0.9% of the time is the gun ever actually ever fired.

* Gary Kleck, Criminologist, Florida State Univ.

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By the way the cinema where this happened was a GUN FREE ZONE.
The people who restricted the right of the visitors to defend themselves with a gun are the real criminals here.
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[QUOTE=DWB;19072332]No, and here is why:

1) Banning guns does not take them away from criminals, which is exactly why you should be allowed to have one.

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But it does, in a country where guns are illegal the Police finding a gun can arrest the criminals on the spot. Anybody carrying a gun - arrested, found in your house - arrested, somebody sees a gun in your house and tells the police - arrested.

Criminals with guns go to prison for longer.

The European system works.
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LOL I laugh at the surrender monkey French. They are so fierce it only took the Germans 43 days to get them to say uncle.
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Seriously, you know little about our culture and you've obviously NEVER been to the South. If those guys in the South were ever truly challenged on their 2nd amendment beliefs, they'd make the IRA look like fucking pussies.
I know plenty of those guys, some who seriously believe the war between the states is not over but currently under cease fire. They would NEVER give up a firearm under any circumstances. "From my cold dead hand" mean exactly that in the south.
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BTW you CAN own a weapon in Europe well eastern Europe anyway. I have one along with a carry permit and pack each time I collect cash from the bank.
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Old 07-22-2012, 08:13 AM   #134
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BTW you CAN own a weapon in Europe well eastern Europe anyway. I have one along with a carry permit and pack each time I collect cash from the bank.
like i said earlier - CZ has similar gun laws as the US.

i just dont know anyone that owns a gun
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LOL I laugh at the surrender monkey French. They are so fierce it only took the Germans 43 days to get them to say uncle.
To be fair to the French they also won one of the most brutal battles in the history of humanity in Verdun WW1 .
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like i said earlier - CZ has similar gun laws as the US.

i just dont know anyone that owns a gun
As long as your crime rate remains low it'll no doubt stay that way.
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Old 07-22-2012, 08:54 AM   #137
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To be fair to the French they also won one of the most brutal battles in the history of humanity in Verdun WW1 .
I don't think anyone won anything in WWI, it was simply a bloodbath of monumental proportions for all sides. I think the French lost more in that single war though, than the USA has lost in all wars ever, including the Civil War.

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As long as your crime rate remains low it'll no doubt stay that way.
in CZ you find crime mostly in Prague and it involves tourists: pickpocketing, overcharging cab drivers, fake money exchange

without doubt some places are not pretty, mostly border towns with gypsy ghettos.

but in general this place is amazingly safe, things like home invasions simply dont happen

much safer than Germany for sure, there i really sometimes didnt feel too good
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To be fair to the French they also won one of the most brutal battles in the history of humanity in Verdun WW1 .
I cant recall anything after Marne and Verdun?
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and i am very sorry for you that you feel the need to have guns to protect yourself. try living in a country for a while where this is not necessary and you might be surprised how relieving that is...
Having lived in El Salvador, Paraguay and Columbia I illegally carried a weapon to assure our safety. I dont worry about sane people with guns, its the fruitcakes and halfwits who have them and that is usually the criminal element.
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Having lived in El Salvador, Paraguay and Columbia I illegally carried a weapon to assure our safety. I dont worry about sane people with guns, its the fruitcakes and halfwits who have them and that is usually the criminal element.
3 countries that are not on my vacation list

like the whole continent of Africa
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I cant recall anything after Marne and Verdun?
The be fair they stopped Mussolini cold in 1940.

Of course, they were fighting the Italian army in that battle
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in CZ you find crime mostly in Prague and it involves tourists: pickpocketing, overcharging cab drivers, fake money exchange

without doubt some places are not pretty, mostly border towns with gypsy ghettos.

but in general this place is amazingly safe, things like home invasions simply dont happen

much safer than Germany for sure, there i really sometimes didnt feel too good
Hope things stay that way in CZ.

Over here, home invasions and carjackings were the biggest deal changers. When people no longer feel safe within their own space, they quite predictably feel compelled to arm themselves to the teeth.
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Instead of banning guns, knives, clubs, chainsaws, etc, I have a solution to make all you pacifist Canadians and Europeans happy.

Lets just ban murder! Problem solved, quit your fucking crying now.
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Instead of banning guns, knives, clubs, chainsaws, etc, I have a solution to make all you pacifist Canadians and Europeans happy.

Lets just ban murder! Problem solved, quit your fucking crying now.
you use "pacifist" as if that was something bad...
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Everyone here has a better chance of having someone they know die or become seriously hurt by an automobile driven by someone working their cell phone/texting than by gunshot. Where is the outrage? 20 years ago cell phones/texting didn't really exist, obviously we can do without them while driving. Again where is the outrage?

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you use "pacifist" as if that was something bad...
It is what it is. I'd rather only be around the kind of people that take their personal safety as their personal responsibility. The kind of people that refuse to be crime victims.

Those people are not pacifists.
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you use "pacifist" as if that was something bad...
In certain circumstances it is not something good.
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