Originally Posted by ahoy

Ok.. A guy loading up on what would be illegal weapons and tactical gear like he is going to war, is going to raise much more red flags. You make it sound like it would be as easy as going down to the local Walmart and finding a booth setup outside with illegal goods.

Originally Posted by Varius

I'm not a gun fan (I prefer medieval weaponry myself as a hobby) but trying to enforce new restrictions on them won't help much if at all. For such public, mass events, the killer will simply turn to items like home-made bombs (easily obtainable supplies, can cause high death tolls in enclosed areas).

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

I hate guns, but try living in a place where every rapist, common criminal, and cop has one and you will soon understand why arming yourself can feel safer than being a sitting duck.

Originally Posted by bhutocracy

My wife is sitting here watching the news with tears in her eyes...

Also, 4 pages and no false flag conspiracy theories.. thank you gfy... now in 4.. 3.. 2.. 1..

Originally Posted by CDSmith

The solution is simple. Arm all teachers. Certify them as trained marksmen. Give them the same training that border guards and immigration officers recieve. Issue them sidearms.

Then heaven help the next little fucker that wants to walk into school and start shooting.





I'm not a blame guy, I'm a solution guy. :D

Originally Posted by L-Pink

When guns are "illegal" you will be able to buy them as easily as pot, heroin or cocaine from contacts in any neighborhood in the US. Accidental killings would of course be reduced but pre-mediated killings would continue.

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

It's so tasteful to argue pro-gun agenda in such a thread.

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Pro gun has nothing to do with this.

Lets assume guns are illegal, ok? That does not mean they are not available on the black market. So anyone wanting to preform pre-mediated murder just has to buy a gun illegally and do whatever they want with it. It's that simple and that sad.

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

I hate guns, but try living in a place where every rapist, common criminal, and cop has one and you will soon understand why arming yourself can feel safer than being a sitting duck.

Originally Posted by Rochard

Massachusetts is close to Connecticut, and Romney was governor of Massachusetts. And Romney is one pissed off mother fucker because a black man beat him.

Originally Posted by Relentless

At least we have started to erode the ability of teachers to collectively bargain in the hope of cutting their pay and doing away with their benefits. Why would we want to pay a bunch of 'part timers' as if they were important to society. It's not like good teachers would create fewer crazy gun maniacs, or like quality teachers are out looking for better jobs since we devalued the teaching profession through shortsighted knee-jerk budget stupidity and a dislike of labor unions.

/Sarcasm

Lost in the unspeakable horror of this disaster is the fact that teachers actually do matter for the long term health and stability of communities... and their pay hardly compensates the good ones for the vital job that they do every day.

Originally Posted by Dirty F

It's amazing how statistics show the US has a crazy gun problem and the gun morons think the solution is more guns.
Arming every person is the most fucking retarded thing i can think of yet that's their solution.

Originally Posted by Makaveli

Something in the drinking water in the US. America is fucked up. This shit just keeps happening. Why is that??

Originally Posted by digitaldivas

start at the 9 minute mark. I totally agree with the senators. 2nd amendment will not go away, I don't want it to go away and these senators hit it right on the head!



"The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States....Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America" - (Gazette of the United States, October 14, 1789.)

"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334,[C.J.Boyd, Ed., 1950])

"The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..." (James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 [June 8, 1789])

"...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, The Federalist Papers #46 at 243-244)

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Not sure about where you live but here, and most places in the US, teachers are very well compensated.

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Wake up, you're now in the 21st century and there is at least one school getting shot up per month. How many more have to die before you get your fucking head out your ass? Who gives a shit about what some slave owners said 200 years ago? Might as well quote the bible too... oh wait.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i don't think it would be that easy. handguns are very regulated here in canada and i would have no idea where to get one illegally. though i don't know where to get coke or heroin either. the kind of people who know where to get this stuff illegally aren't typically good people to start with. and like many have said before, the people who do this psycho snapping mass killings typically have no criminal record. it seems almost like its becoming a trend to take out as many people as you can when you want to kill yourself but i can't see how making guns harder to get would make it happen more.

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

the best way is to make the guns difficult to obtain.

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

No, they'll just use ninja stars or poisoned darts!

Guns aren't the problem. If you make them illegal, they'll just go to the corner where crack and weed is sold and buy them off their local dealer, duh. I mean, everyone knows a dealer who supplies firearms, don't they?


/pro gun retards argument.

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Thank you.


Is it really that hard for you pro gun retards to see reason?

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Pro gun has nothing to do with this.

Lets assume guns are illegal, ok? That does not mean they are not available on the black market. So anyone wanting to preform pre-mediated murder just has to buy a gun illegally and do whatever they want with it. It's that simple and that sad.

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Not a retard but I do know how supply and demand works. The minute something is illegal everyone will know a guy that knows a guy that will sell you whatever is illegal.

Originally Posted by Dirty F

I rather live in a place like that than where every rapist, criminal, cop and citizen has one. As that would make things 10 times more scary.
As soon as in Holland everyone and his brother is allowed to own a gun and one can buy one on every corner i'm outta here. Thank god guns are illegal here and only criminals have one. This is also the reason why there is way less gun problems than in that third world shithole called the US.
Just keep on buying guns to protect yourself from your neighbour who also has a gun and cry about things like freedom. The rest of the world looks at you people, smiles and thinks what a backwards idiots.

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

People like you, who live where there aren't 300 million guns in the hands of rapists, murderers, and everyone else, cannot understand this. I am not some raging lunatic just because I want protection against guns that are already in the hands of dangerous people. This isn't an issue that can be solved by you sanctimonious Euros and your ideas about America, so get the fuck over yourself.

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Guns are a business, you and everyone else are simply consumers. Keep buying them if you "feel" they keep you safe. But like said, there are already 300 million guns out there, so why even try to control them? I'm pretty sure having a gun increases your chances of being fatally wounded, yet people want to believe they are a means to safety.

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

People like you, who live where there aren't 300 million guns in the hands of rapists, murderers, and everyone else, cannot understand this. I am not some raging lunatic just because I want protection against guns that are already in the hands of dangerous people. This isn't an issue that can be solved by you sanctimonious Euros and your ideas about America, so get the fuck over yourself.

Originally Posted by Dirty F

But there is no gun problem in the US right?
Anyway, in the end i don't care how many guns you idiots have and that you shoot eachother because of some road rage. It's darwinism at work. Just buy all the guns you need. Be careful not to shoot yourself in the face like many other responsible gun owners did

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

There is absolutely a gun problem in the US. I never said there wasn't. Maybe if you'd actually pay attention to things that people say, you'd have a real point to make here.

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

When you have had your home invaded and your entire family held at gunpoint, then I will listen to your opinion about how to stay safe.

Originally Posted by Eyeball

Spot the irony

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

There is no irony. Criminals have guns, you half-wit.

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

You become a criminal when you use the gun..

Originally Posted by Dirty F

It's amazing how statistics show the US has a crazy gun problem and the gun morons think the solution is more guns.
Arming every person is the most fucking retarded thing i can think of yet that's their solution.

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

People like you, who live where there aren't 300 million guns in the hands of rapists, murderers, and everyone else, cannot understand this. I am not some raging lunatic just because I want protection against guns that are already in the hands of dangerous people. This isn't an issue that can be solved by you sanctimonious Euros and your ideas about America, so get the fuck over yourself.

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

I have debated that point on facebook and twitter for days, its so funny how the "arm everybody" people have no answer for the Fort Hood shooting in 2009, 13 dead, 29 wounded. In a room full of soldiers.