DTK

100 let's shoot the messenger because he happens to be canadian...even though he makes a good point

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madm1k3

Wow what an intelligent arguement, shut me up.

So basically you are against me because I want the USA to clean up thier retarded drug laws because it affects my country? And it irritates you when I respond to ignorant statements about closing the bording, pointing out the fact that it would have a major adverse effect on the US economy?

I like when you say your an independant and anti government when you spew the talking points of Fox News and the useless US congress.

You made one good point in ten posts when you brought up the connection between anti depressants and mass shootings. Unfortunatley for you the prescription drug lobby owns the republican party, they will tell you to get mad at something else, and you will because its your identity.

It's OK for all of you "Independants" to come out of the closet and admit your a full out flaming republican!

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rebel23

Many Republican's aren't really conservatives. It's a different side of the same coin.

No true conservative supported Bush creating the Dept. of Homeland Security, TSA, Medicare Part D or doubling the size of the Dept of Education.

Both these parties are statist and it's more like fascism than socialism.

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rebel23

it's not socialism, it's generally facism or corporatism (look the terms up) both parties are engaged in, many right wingers including myself hated Bush and his expansionist government policies and wars and I hate Obama's too.

Quit thinking in terms of the parties, they're both essentially the same at the leadership level.

Republicans have been selling out conservatives for as long as I can remember and they hold the House of Representatives which means they can stop Obama and shut down the government tomorrow if they wanted but they won't because they're bought off by the same interests.

Do you see how it works now?

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DTK

We have a winner!

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DTK

Ummm yeah. I've made that point over and over and over. In fact, see sig

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rebel23

Sorry I couldn't see sigs when logged in...

Yes, you're right but at least in the GOP there are some people trying to make a difference and many conservative activists mostly Ron Paul supporters are engaged in making a difference through the primary process i.e dumping Richard Lugar, Bob Bennett from Utah and others who have sold conservatives out. They're not a critical mass yet but it's an anti-establishment movement that is expanding. The Democrat Party is completely gone I'm afraid.

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DTK

There are a tiny % of legislators in both parties that aren't completely corrupt and are trying to make a difference. Like 1-2%

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rebel23

I don't believe there are any Democrats, the last good Democrat was Larry McDonald and they shot down his plane !

From the GOP I like the following:

Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI)
- This guy posts every vote on facebook with an explanation and only votes in line with the constitution
http://www.facebook.com/repjustinamash/
Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY)
Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (R-MI)
Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA)
Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID)
Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX)

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY)
Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT)

There are some others too who are serious about cutting spending and who are not board with the Boehner-McConnell-Pelosi-Obama lie machine.

Former Gov. Mark Sanford (R-SC) is running again for congress in SC's 1st district due to Tim Scott being appointed to Senate
http://www.marksanford.com/

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rebel23

Out of all those Sen. Rand Paul is likely to run for president in 2016 so at least I will have a horse in the race.

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kyro

you are canadian, you need to shut the fuck up.

learn your place in the world, eh?

Americans
Europeans
africans
mexicans
indians
canadians

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Vendzilla

I slammed you because you are talking out your ass, stating I'm a republican because I don't like the present administration is like talking shit about the US when you live in Canada.

First off SHIT FOR BRAINS

Obama killed a proposal that would have brought down drug costs, The pharmaceutical companies promised 80 billion dollars to help with Obamacare, it was more important than cutting cost for seniors I guess. The Congressional Budget Office estimated in 2009 that reimportation would save the government $19 billion over 10 years.

The second time it was a bill, it failed in the SENATE, you Canadian moron and was authored by John McCain, you do know what party he's in right? And the Democrat heavy Senate shot it down!

?In a normal world this would probably require a voice vote. But what we?re about to see is the incredible influence of the special interests, particularly PhRMA,? McCain said. ?What you?re about to see is the reason for the cynicism that the American people have about the way we do business here in Washington. PhRMA, one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington, will exert its influence again at the expense of low-income Americans who will again have to choose between medication and eating.? [...]

Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ), who opposed the bill, contested McCain?s premise.

?It is not the special interests that has caused the Senate countless times to reject this policy,? Menendez said on the floor. He argued that the amendment ?puts Americans at risk, undermines the FDA?s authority, has a devastating ripple effect throughout the country?s drug supply by allowing foreign pharmaceuticals into the country.?

Where the fuck do you get your news? Cracker Jacks?
Dude, you're embarrassing!

If you ever get a clue, bronze it and hang it from your rear view mirror.


In conclusion, I bash the left because they ( Lead by Barry ) are not looking out for the good of the people, (Passing a healthcare bill without reading it) I don't bash the right because of people like you that resemble a zombie cult jacking off to MSNBC are too comical to join in with.

Yeah, Barry can't lower the cost of prescription drugs my ass, he can't balance a budget in 4 years, now 1.1 trillion in the red, but he can attack the 2nd in less than a month spending 500 million restricting a gun that wasn't used in the shooting
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/3020...town-shooting/

You want me to go on, because I'm having fun showing your faults here

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pornsprite

Which radio talk show host that discusses porn is talking about over throwing the government? Which radio talk show host has it listeners foaming at the mouth about made up conspiracies and willing to take up arms over those imaginary conspiracies?

On an Intellectual level I agree with your point, but life is not an academic theory and folks are not being killed by porn mags, vcr's, dvd's or internet porn.

The First Amendment will have backers from both sides of the aisles. Fox, CNN, MSNBC and even LINK will all be on board backing the First Amendment forever.

rebel23

Jefferson and Washington overthrew a government.

The Declaration of Independence SAYS once a government goes beyond its legitimate bounds the people have the right to overthrow it and institute a new government.

Taxes were 3% in the 1780's, they fought a war and overthrew a government over 3% tax levy by the King!

They're now 50%.

Democracy within the Republic has legitimized theft. No King would get away with 50% taxes.

States should secede from the criminals in Washington D.C, it's a perfectly legitimate right recognized by the founders and even the UN (self-determination)

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Vendzilla

It's not the plan, it was the way it was implemented, 2000 page law approved without reading it, a deal with the Pharmaceutical companies to keep the cost of drugs high to keep from re-importation , I'm for heath-care for everyone, but this is plain wrong. I also wish Obama would have spent the time he spent on Obamacare to use to find jobs for people.

Obamacare according to the CBO will generate in 2014 7 billion in fines by those that opt out of it, you really think this is right?

Ok, let's look at some other numbers
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...eEstimates.pdf

50 million uninsured
after Obamacare 30 million, 6 million paying fines to generate 7 billion
cost of Obamacare is 1.168 Trillion, so 20 million more people is costing the taxpayers 58,400 per person, you understand math correct?

End result, I don't give a rats ass who wrote the fucking thing, it's a bad law, fuck, saying it's ok because the GOP wrote it is pretty fucking lame.

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think about that

Shotsie

According to the Connecticut State Police the bushmaster was the primary weapon used inside the school. It was a shotgun in the trunk.

Adam Lanza brought three weapons inside Sandy Hook Elementary school on December 14 and left a fourth in his car, police said. Those weapons were a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle and two handguns -- a Glock 10 mm and a Sig Sauer 9 mm.
In the car he left a shotgun, about which police have offered no details. Lanza used one of the handguns to take his own life, although police haven't said whether the gun was the Glock or the Sig Sauer.

The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon," said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/con...uns/index.html

Nikki_Licks

Now you're talking.......it's way past time to kick all of these corrupt filthy thieves in the government to the curb. I would love nothing more then to see people dragging these assholes into he street and........

This government has created a powder keg and it's only a matter of time before before everything blows......there is only so much shit citizens can take and the bucket is about to overflow.

Next time you vote, vote these Washington DC shit bags out of office.......there are all corrupt! And nothing will change until we change it ourselves......

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Vendzilla

There seems to be conflicting stories about this all over the place. I saw the video where the cops pulled a rifle of some sorts out of the trunk of a car, but at this point, don't know if I want to believe anyone.

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think about that

DTK

Where exactly did i say it's ok? Nowhere. I didn't.

In general, i was pointing out the hilarity of right-wingers shitting on the "commie" obama for pushing a right-wing plan.

In fact, it was the same plan his election opponent instituted in MA....not that the right-wing tv/radio screamers mentioned that lol. They just pretended it never happened, like they've done with a lot of things.

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rebel23

Playing devils advocate here but under the 10th amendment states have the power to do what they want so Romney as governor implementing healthcare is different to a president imposing it on the entire country and the states themselves.

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DTK

yeah, i knew someone was going to mention that.

once again, republicans (led by Bob Dole) proposed the same thing on a national level in '93

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rebel23

Well he shouldn't because it's not constitutional and I don't care what that weak Chief Justice Roberts says, health care is not an enumerated power.

It's going to be painful for the Obama voters when their hours are reduced from 45 to 29 by their employer so they can get round Obamacare and for those left who have full time jobs will see their premiums go up 30% to cover the new mandates for pre-existing conditions and coverage of kids up to the age of 26 (!!!).

Total madness and will cause unbelievable chaos in the economy and most of it is coming this year and in 2014 when the waivers for Obama's corporate donors expire so we'll see how these idiots feel then and that's before the Feds have managed to setup the exchanges which 30 states have decided not to do I'm sure they're going to do a great job of that massive IT project... what could possibly go wrong.

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Vendzilla

You implied it was ok to me by calling reference to what the GOP thought up, I don't give a shit who wrote it, it's shit. What Bob Dole wrote has many differences as I explained before. And spending 58,000 per person for healthcare is wasteful and that's figuring in the tax or fine that Obamacare puts on people that DON'T want in it!

So much for a free country, do people that believe in holistic medicine get fined? Who's going to pay for the 58,000 cost per person?
What about all the people with good insurance that will have to pay extra and what about the companies that have received waivers from it?
Some people just don't like doctors, what happens to them?

Oh well, at least the Pharmaceutical Companies don't lose the money they are making and the FDA keeps getting that money from them because of those prices, I'm sure the shooter in Newtown cherished those anti-depressants he was on

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think about that

DTK

1) That wasn't my implication. I described what i was talking about in my last response to you.

2) That's exactly the thing VZ, this plan has been a sloppy wet kiss to Big Pharma from the day Heritage wrote it. But yet, if you listen to the right-wing screamers (and their dupes), Obama's some radical socialist who thought this whole thing up himself.

Anyone who can dispassionately look at Obama's real record (not the one the right wing machine invented) will see just another business-friendly centrist ho. He's about as radical as chocolate chip ice cream.

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Vendzilla

I never called him a radical and saying the GOP thought it likes it's ok is bullshit, I don't give a fuck about the parties.

The GOP and a few democrats thought up the re implementation act and Obama said no, That's his REAL RECORD

http://pharmacycheckerblog.com/rxrights-mccain-franken

Fuck Obama's REAL RECORD

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think about that

DTK

Just to be 100% clear, i wasn't pointing my comments directly at you VZ.

What started this exchange between us was you responding to a comment of mine that wasn't directed at anyone.

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Vendzilla

Just anytime people defend Obama, they like to bring up what Bush did or what the GOP did like that makes it ok, it doesn't and don't buy into it, the left and the right are putting everyone against each other, there are no moderates left and it's sad people are falling for it.

Every time someone complains about Obama not getting anything done, people blame the GOP, a good president brings the parties together, Reagan did it and Clinton did it, Obama doesn't want that. It's by separating everyone that he can get people to not pay attention for the short comings of his presidency.

Unemployment is a joke and the budget is a joke and because of his separating everyone, no one cares

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think about that

sandman!

wont happen

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DTK

this is where you start getting very one-sided. republicans in congress have been as obstructionist as any i can remember.

unless you'd like to continue, i'll leave it at that

this country needs a massive political enema

see sig

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The minority party is always obstructionists (if they are smart).

That's part of why the founding fathers made 3 branches of govt., so that a President couldn't act like a "king". But I don't think they ever foresaw parties voting in blocks like this.

Having two political parties always in power is what has fucked everything up.

There should be NO political party with a majority in the House or Senate. And every Senator or Representative should be voting according to what serves his constituency at home.

NOT party line voting to either say "yes" or "no" to everything the President wants.

It's supposed to be hard to pass new laws and legislation. The govt. should never be in a position to be so powerful that it needs to act quickly on anything except declaring war if we are attacked. (last time Congress declared war was 70 years ago...all the other wars we've been in have never been declared, and are probably illegal)

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Vendzilla

The republicans are NOT Obstructionist, Barry can't get his own party to play ball on what he wants, remember the hassle he had passing the healthcare shit law? All the deals he had to make to pass a law that no one read? Democrats had control of the House, Senate and the presidency, and still the unemployment numbers were in the toilet. If there was a better economy, more people would be working, more people would have health insurance. That would have hurt Obama getting Obamacare passed

I'm one sided alright, I'm on the peoples side

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think about that

DTK

I was trying to take you seriously, then ^^this^^ happened. OMFingG

Carry on dude

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Vendzilla

Keep drinking the cool aid I guess, or you could read and educate yourself, choice is yours, I don't believe anything the government says about the other side!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/09/us...pagewanted=all

You seem to be very gullible if you are on one side blaming it all on the other side. I got news for you, it's both sides!

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think about that

_Richard_

glad you know your place in yours

DTK

I've only been saying that over and over and over and over and over.

You totally missed the point of my comment that began this exchange. Let's just leave it.

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Vendzilla

You blame only the GOP and say it's both sides?

Think about it

Democrats are pissy because the GOP is not letting them do what they want to do?
SERIOUSLY?
So in your mind unless the Democrats are allowed to do what they want, they are blocking, are you serious?

Hell when they had control they still couldn't do anything.



Here's what I hate

Democrat or Republican

A bill comes up that's good

It's stuffed with pork, one side says no to it because of it and they are made out to be the bad guys, the bad guys are the ones stuffing with pork

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think about that

DTK

Yep, you completely missed the point

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Damn, how long will you argue with that brainwashed ... ????

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DTK

I know, right? I'm done

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DTK

I'd already seen enough of his posts in other threads to know (despite his protestations in this one) that he's just another right-wing dupe.

Shame on me for being sucked in, but when i respond to people like this, i'm not 100% responding to the person in question. I mean what's the point of talking to a brick wall?

I'm putting ideas out there to people who might be open-minded enough to check out of the left v right/dem v rep charade.


see mah muthafuckin' sig!

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Marion Lynn aka SallyRand, fuck off and die you little creep

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