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Black All Through · 03-01-2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

it's the same guys you see here posting daily getting praises and bro drinks

BFT3K · 03-01-2013, 09:11 AM

Tube sites + card scams + piracy + free porn = great sales!

PR_Glen · 03-01-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Tube sites + card scams + piracy + free porn = great sales!

no tube sites bring in lots of sales, they just don't bring you sales apparently...

Mutt · 03-01-2013, 09:19 AM

Here are some highlights, they purport these to be direct translations from the ancient books

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

anyway, all three major monotheist religions - Judaism,Christianity and Islam - should be thrown on the scrap heap of history as we evolve to something better than the savages, lunatics and ignorant from whom all this nonsense was hallucinated.

stever · 03-01-2013, 09:24 AM

damn shady billing meets jew bibles
this is a strange thread

lucas131 · 03-01-2013, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I am shocked and appalled. My people will be getting to the bottom of this.
meanwhile, finish cleaning your mothers' basement.

fuck off you piece of scumbag thief!

MrDeiz · 03-01-2013, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Here are some highlights, they purport these to be direct translations from the ancient books...

download, print and read The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
one of my best reading. ever.
once leaked a hundred of years ago it explains a lot what's happening now.

Traffic Guru · 03-01-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Looks like someone is trying to hide it but you can see a copy of blastedhardcore.com from jan 2013 here and it shows the webmaster link to 12clickscash.com

http://web.archive.org/web/201301170...dhardcore.com/

Now its just "No site configured at this address"

Running for the hills.

Traffic Guru · 03-01-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I am shocked and appalled. My people will be getting to the bottom of this.
meanwhile, finish cleaning your mothers' basement.

Your people?

You do not have any people. Stop saying that.
BTW, how's fire sale going? I hear you ebaying a bunch of shit. Car, couple of watches.
Broke? IRS?

Far-L · 03-01-2013, 11:15 AM

Once the lambs had been slaughtered, and their entrails burned, the high priest whose face had four eyes, no nose, and spoke from two mouths, one with a snake's tongue and the other fanged, collected the wool and dressed the wolves whose mouths dripped blood so to make them as sheep that they might more easily prey upon the herd. He bid them to go, and to bring with them four curses, impotence, impatience, impracticality, and impossibility, and to carry salt instead of seed for the fields of pasture.

Tom_PM · 03-01-2013, 11:45 AM

ManuteBol · 03-01-2013, 01:59 PM

So take porn deviants with bad credit and cross sale them to little girls playing video games online at agamegirlz.com ? Seems like a great match.

I hope there is a chat room!

Konda · 03-01-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ManuteBol

So take porn deviants with bad credit and cross sale them to little girls playing video games online at agamegirlz.com ? Seems like a great match.

I hope there is a chat room!

They sell the declined xsales to agamegirlz.com
since it's a non adult merchant the card might be accepted there if it get's declined for the porn xsales

Pretty smart but very shady.

alias · 03-01-2013, 07:57 PM

Le sketch.

tfs · 03-01-2013, 07:58 PM

Blame Google. They only list shit videos now. You don't even have to host the videos tourself for Google to give you a good ranking. You can actually have a shit video, surround it with a hundred Plugrush thumbnails, and outrank a site that uses WORDS!

BradShaw · 03-01-2013, 07:59 PM

Allah Akbar

Konda · 03-01-2013, 08:01 PM

Top notch !

lucas131 · 03-01-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Konda

Top notch !

his team is working on it

EddyTheDog · 03-01-2013, 09:10 PM

That agamegirlz.com shit is pretty out there - The name even sounds like it should be an adult site....

That's close to being the worst scam I have seen in adult - I have seen nickel and dime stuff that is worse but this is seriously big and they will get away with it.

Refund every complaint and you have zero CBs - The banks are none the wiser - Amazing really.

lucas131 · 03-01-2013, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

That agamegirlz.com shit is pretty out there - The name even sounds like it should be an adult site....

That's close to being the worst scam I have seen in adult - I have seen nickel and dime stuff that is worse but this is seriously big and they will get away with it.

Refund every complaint and you have zero CBs - The banks are none the wiser - Amazing really.

somebody have been working hard on it, serious thievery from the beginning

candidpro · 03-01-2013, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ahoy

They buy up an insane amount of tube banner spots, easily $xx, xxx /day in ad spend. Always thought crak had something to do with it. I checked out the "members" area awhile back. Seemed like premier passport was shitty adult centro feeds, and you get access to a tube style site with just old shitty content.

how can they afford that??? that means they make more than $10,000 a day?? that would be insane, is that even possible???

EddyTheDog · 03-01-2013, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by candidpro

how can they afford that??? that means they make more than $10,000 a day?? that would be insane, is that even possible???

lol - and the rest....

Traffic Guru · 03-01-2013, 10:15 PM

So the way this scumbag operates now is bogus mainstream sites as if someone really buys membership to play old flash games or membership to "elite" shopping service.

Here is more crap from 12 dicks

www.agamegirlz.com
www.elitepersonalshopping.com
www.elitesalefinders.com
www.fictionforher.com
www.nobelshoppers.com
www.personaleliteshoppers.com
www.personalshoppingelite.com
www.ratedearcade.com
www.topchoiceshoppers.com
www.wanderingstories.com
www.familygamesite.com

Matt 26z · 03-01-2013, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

The banks are none the wiser

Someone should report it.

But first make sure there's room in Sleazy's trailer park for 12clicks.

Matt 26z · 03-01-2013, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Traffic Guru

www.familygamesite.com

If there is any doubt in 12clicks involvement by anyone, click on "members list" and his username 12clicks is listed on page 1.

EddyTheDog · 03-01-2013, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Someone should report it.

But first make sure there's room in Sleazy's trailer park for 12clicks.

If you take it to the bank and all they do is ask 'Have you asked the merchant if they can help?' - You say no and they wont touch it until you do - They instantly do a refund and then you have nothing to complain about.....

The banks have their asses covered - That's the end of it....

lucas131 · 03-01-2013, 10:37 PM

and there is still cecash unlimited lifetime crap, dont forget to make deals they are active and waiting at webmaster shows. i always admire every work, but not scam on people

pr0phet · 03-02-2013, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda

They sell the declined xsales to agamegirlz.com
since it's a non adult merchant the card might be accepted there if it get's declined for the porn xsales

Pretty smart but very shady.

That is pretty much genius.

Is it legal according to Visa rules?

Supz · 03-02-2013, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0phet

That is pretty much genius.

Is it legal according to Visa rules?

If it is legal to cross sale porn. not sure why mainstream wouldnt be legal.

topnotch, standup guy · 03-02-2013, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

no tube sites bring in lots of sales, they just don't bring you sales apparently...

Hey Tube Boy

And eat some lizard shit while you're at it.
.

Mutt · 03-02-2013, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I'm not an expert on Judaism but I don't think this is actually true.

http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/three.html

read the whole website and it's credible - the wording is horrible in the Talmud, taken at face value it's a field day for those who like to demonize Jews. they won't be interested in reading the context those controversial statements belong to.

OldJeff · 03-02-2013, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by candidpro

how can they afford that??? that means they make more than $10,000 a day?? that would be insane, is that even possible???

It is actually pretty common, and in quite a few cases, add a zero

Matt 26z · 03-02-2013, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Supz

If it is legal to cross sale porn. not sure why mainstream wouldnt be legal.

Cross selling a kids game site with a porn membership? It's one of those things where something is legal, but everyone knows it's a bad thing. Kind of like a drug dealer selling a new kind of street drug that the government hasn't outlawed yet.

It would be nice if Visa/MC would prohibit cross sales of any kind where porn is involved. I think we all agree that while cross sales are legitimate if used responsibly, they are an overall black stain on the industry.

Matt 26z · 03-02-2013, 06:08 AM

It's easy to think this doesn't affect you and just look the other way, but consider the following.

If your traffic was 1:400 several years ago and it's 1:700 today (figures vary, but everyone is significantly worse off), how much of that is aggressive billing practices? I'm not saying the +300 in this example is entirely cross sales. It's a combination of cross sales, piracy and the economy.

So let's just say hypothetically speaking that 25 of the +300 was caused by aggressive billing. That means the industry snakes have cost the average webmaster thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars. Remember that each time you see their names. They have cost you money.

They aren't just some entertaining forum screen name that you love to hate. These guys have taken money away from you and it hasn't been in a legitimate manner.

If a site has cross sales, don't promote it. If someone wants to buy traffic for a site with cross sales, don't sell them the traffic. Treat cross sales as if you were sending your traffic to a site with a virus. It could be years before Visa/MC or the government puts and end to high risk merchant account cross sales. It will happen eventually, but god only knows what our ratios will be come then.

signupdamnit · 03-02-2013, 06:33 AM

http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/contact.shtm

slapass · 03-02-2013, 07:16 AM

Who would have thought it?

On the other hand, I doubt this is as successful as it sounds as most people won't recognize the name of the game site so they will claim their card was stolen. Add in that they will refund to protect their visa/mc account and I wonder if they do that well?

Slappin Fish · 03-02-2013, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

Who would have thought it?

On the other hand, I doubt this is as successful as it sounds as most people won't recognize the name of the game site so they will claim their card was stolen. Add in that they will refund to protect their visa/mc account and I wonder if they do that well?

They don't need to protect their visa/mc accounts they've got hundreds on hand.

slapass · 03-02-2013, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

They don't need to protect their visa/mc accounts they've got hundreds on hand.

Gotcha, there are probably tons of details I do not know.

It has always amazed me that this is tolerated at all by Visa. Can you imagine checking out at Walmart and they throw some extra stuff in your bag and unless you bring it back, they charge you. This never made sense.

anexsia · 03-02-2013, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Cross selling a kids game site with a porn membership? It's one of those things where something is legal, but everyone knows it's a bad thing. Kind of like a drug dealer selling a new kind of street drug that the government hasn't outlawed yet.

It would be nice if Visa/MC would prohibit cross sales of any kind where porn is involved. I think we all agree that while cross sales are legitimate if used responsibly, they are an overall black stain on the industry.

Not only is cross-selling a "family friendly" game site with a porn site a scumbag move...but anyone with a brain can clearly see what the object of all those bogus mainstream sites are and it's pretty fucked up.

Bryan G · 03-02-2013, 08:01 AM

If you guys knew how to do what 12clicks and others were doing you would be doing it to.

signupdamnit · 03-02-2013, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

If you guys knew how to do what 12clicks and others were doing you would be doing it to.

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in prison. All it would take is two or three people he pissed off in the past to fill out the FTC form or make a few complaints to VISA and he will be in a world of hurt one way or another. Hell even Gawker or The Consumerist might cover something like this because it's that outrageous.

Matt 26z · 03-02-2013, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

If you guys knew how to do what 12clicks and others were doing you would be doing it to.

Translation: 12clicks or those involved in this ring buys traffic from us, so I better get in here and stick up for him.

Right?

Bryan G · 03-02-2013, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Translation: 12clicks or those involved in this ring buys traffic from us, so I better get in here and stick up for him.

Right?

Nope you're actually wrong. If you've seen any posts between 12clicks and me in the past you'll understand we don't like each other. The biggest players in the xsale game have never bought ads from me.

Matt, if you could make 10k a day you're telling me you would not do it too?

Anyone of these surfers can do a chargeback on their cards. I'm not saying this is 100% legit but it is what it is.

lucas131 · 03-02-2013, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

If you guys knew how to do what 12clicks and others were doing you would be doing it to.

i know how to break into the house through broken window, am i doing it? you are piece of idiot

Supz · 03-02-2013, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Cross selling a kids game site with a porn membership? It's one of those things where something is legal, but everyone knows it's a bad thing. Kind of like a drug dealer selling a new kind of street drug that the government hasn't outlawed yet.

It would be nice if Visa/MC would prohibit cross sales of any kind where porn is involved. I think we all agree that while cross sales are legitimate if used responsibly, they are an overall black stain on the industry.

I dont disagree with you on the ethics point, especially in the way it is being done just. Cross sales in general mainstream or porn should be shut down. You cant do this in a retail store. "oh you baught thise sneakers, you get to try these 2 tshirts out, if you dont bring them back we will charge you $45 dollars a month and send you 2 new tshirts a month'. Department stores would love that.

It opens too many doors for shady business.

Bryan G · 03-02-2013, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by lucas131

i know how to break into the house through broken window, am i doing it? you are piece of idiot

I'm a piece of idiot? Lol. I just explained that anyone can charge these back. Like I said you're just pissed off because its not you making the money.

Matt 26z · 03-02-2013, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

Matt, if you could make 10k a day you're telling me you would not do it too?

Many people reading this thread could set up a similar system, but will never do it. Why do you think that is?

DamianJ · 03-02-2013, 09:20 AM

12clicks has gone oddly quiet in this thread

Supz · 03-02-2013, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

12clicks has gone oddly quiet in this thread

Hes busy nailiing in shingles

BlackCrayon · 03-02-2013, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

I'm a piece of idiot? Lol. I just explained that anyone can charge these back. Like I said you're just pissed off because its not you making the money.

there are legal ways to rip off all kinds of people. typically the majority of people who employ such tactics are sociopaths.

03-01-2013, 09:19 AM	#54
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Here are some highlights, they purport these to be direct translations from the ancient books Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work. Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep. Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile. anyway, all three major monotheist religions - Judaism,Christianity and Islam - should be thrown on the scrap heap of history as we evolve to something better than the savages, lunatics and ignorant from whom all this nonsense was hallucinated. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-01-2013, 09:24 AM	#55
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03-01-2013, 11:15 AM	#60
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,065	Once the lambs had been slaughtered, and their entrails burned, the high priest whose face had four eyes, no nose, and spoke from two mouths, one with a snake's tongue and the other fanged, collected the wool and dressed the wolves whose mouths dripped blood so to make them as sheep that they might more easily prey upon the herd. He bid them to go, and to bring with them four curses, impotence, impatience, impracticality, and impossibility, and to carry salt instead of seed for the fields of pasture. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

03-01-2013, 11:45 AM	#61
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03-01-2013, 07:57 PM	#64
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	Le sketch. __________________ https://porncorporation.com

03-01-2013, 09:11 AM	#52
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Tube sites + card scams + piracy + free porn = great sales!

03-01-2013, 01:59 PM	#62
ManuteBol Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 640	So take porn deviants with bad credit and cross sale them to little girls playing video games online at agamegirlz.com ? Seems like a great match. I hope there is a chat room!

03-01-2013, 07:58 PM	#65
tfs Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 624	Blame Google. They only list shit videos now. You don't even have to host the videos tourself for Google to give you a good ranking. You can actually have a shit video, surround it with a hundred Plugrush thumbnails, and outrank a site that uses WORDS!

03-01-2013, 07:59 PM	#66
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03-01-2013, 08:01 PM	#67
Konda ... Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,280	Top notch ! Last edited by Konda; 03-01-2013 at 08:06 PM..

03-01-2013, 09:10 PM	#69
EddyTheDog Just Doing My Own Thing Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: London, Spain, New Zealand, GFY - Not Croydon... Posts: 25,038	That agamegirlz.com shit is pretty out there - The name even sounds like it should be an adult site.... That's close to being the worst scam I have seen in adult - I have seen nickel and dime stuff that is worse but this is seriously big and they will get away with it. Refund every complaint and you have zero CBs - The banks are none the wiser - Amazing really. __________________ - Chaturbate Script - https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...er-issues.html - Now supports White Labels Last edited by EddyTheDog; 03-01-2013 at 09:11 PM..

03-01-2013, 10:15 PM	#73
Traffic Guru Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 357	So the way this scumbag operates now is bogus mainstream sites as if someone really buys membership to play old flash games or membership to "elite" shopping service. Here is more crap from 12 dicks www.agamegirlz.com www.elitepersonalshopping.com www.elitesalefinders.com www.fictionforher.com www.nobelshoppers.com www.personaleliteshoppers.com www.personalshoppingelite.com www.ratedearcade.com www.topchoiceshoppers.com www.wanderingstories.com www.familygamesite.com

03-01-2013, 10:37 PM	#77
lucas131 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,475	and there is still cecash unlimited lifetime crap, dont forget to make deals they are active and waiting at webmaster shows. i always admire every work, but not scam on people

03-02-2013, 06:08 AM	#84
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	It's easy to think this doesn't affect you and just look the other way, but consider the following. If your traffic was 1:400 several years ago and it's 1:700 today (figures vary, but everyone is significantly worse off), how much of that is aggressive billing practices? I'm not saying the +300 in this example is entirely cross sales. It's a combination of cross sales, piracy and the economy. So let's just say hypothetically speaking that 25 of the +300 was caused by aggressive billing. That means the industry snakes have cost the average webmaster thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars. Remember that each time you see their names. They have cost you money. They aren't just some entertaining forum screen name that you love to hate. These guys have taken money away from you and it hasn't been in a legitimate manner. If a site has cross sales, don't promote it. If someone wants to buy traffic for a site with cross sales, don't sell them the traffic. Treat cross sales as if you were sending your traffic to a site with a virus. It could be years before Visa/MC or the government puts and end to high risk merchant account cross sales. It will happen eventually, but god only knows what our ratios will be come then.

03-02-2013, 06:33 AM	#85
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/contact.shtm __________________ You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

03-02-2013, 07:16 AM	#86
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	Who would have thought it? On the other hand, I doubt this is as successful as it sounds as most people won't recognize the name of the game site so they will claim their card was stolen. Add in that they will refund to protect their visa/mc account and I wonder if they do that well?

03-02-2013, 08:01 AM	#90
Bryan G Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,338	If you guys knew how to do what 12clicks and others were doing you would be doing it to. __________________ Bryan skype: bryan.glass3 \| ICQ 302999591

03-02-2013, 09:20 AM	#98
DamianJ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land Posts: 15,808	12clicks has gone oddly quiet in this thread