Shotsie

Ironically, the same people that point this out are also usually the same people who are the first to cry about "white privilege".

Seriously, though, it IS white people's fault blacks are so fucked up. Maybe not you, or anybody related to you; but whites in general. They don't value education because up until the 70's it didn't pay for them to get an education - nobody was gonna hire their asses, anyway. 150 years of slavery and then another 100 years of institutionalized racism and you expect them to get their shit together overnight? The chickens have come home to roost.

shimmy2

WHOA! where do you find black girls who accept checks?!????

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BigChad

Your retarded. Blacks only make up 13% of the total population jack ass. Of course there would be more whites on welfare on an overall statistic, being that whites are 73% of the population. Now go back and check those figures, it means probably close to 60 - 70 % of blacks are on welfare.

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Matt 26z

Bottom line: When you raise your kids to act like apes, people of positive influence want nothing to do with them.

Look at the Chicago public school system. They spend more money per student than anywhere in the country. Their teachers even average about $75,000 per year, which is insane for a public school teacher. Yet good teachers (of any race) can't be coaxed away from their much lower paying positions at white schools because they don't want to deal with students from the ghetto.

_Richard_

goes on to state that the biggest welfare recipients are in red states

if the 13% population makes up 30% of the prison population.. in FEDERAL prisons lol.. what does all this mean, logically?

do you enjoy being a 'white'?

Shotsie

Did you grow up in the ghetto? No. Then shut the fuck up, because you have no idea what kind of obstacles those kids have to face on a daily basis.

http://www.amazon.com/Two-Nations-Se.../dp/0743238249
http://www.amazon.com/There-Are-No-C.../dp/0385265565
http://www.amazon.com/Corner-Year-Li.../dp/0767900316

These are books. It's pretty clear from your post that you live in one America and think that what greets you when you step out your door every morning is universal. But truly, there is another America, and it's completely devoid of the circumstances and resources you take for granted as you maneveur through your bubble.

I'm not saying that someone needs to throw your ass out of a moving car on the corner of, say, Kensington and Allegheny in North Philly and make you actually talk to other human beings and begin the honest process of acquiring the truth about what this other, actual America accords those who are born into it. No, that would be rude. But at least read a fucking book or two.

tony286

Actually Blacks were slaves in this country for over 200 yrs and after the civil war things really werent much better. Things really didnt become vaguely equal until the sixties. Thats not that long ago.

_Richard_

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italians!

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Latinos belong in Latin America, Africans belong in Africa. Problem solved.

kane

There is a documentary I watched a few years ago called Gang War: Bangin' in Little Rock. The movie is about a guy who was a gangster and went to jail for about 12 years. When he got out he decided to work to try to get other kids out of gangs and off the streets. The movie focuses on these gang members and almost all of them have this attitude like they are born to die. One of them talked about how the reality was by the time he is in his mid or late 20's he will most likely be dead or in jail so he is going to enjoy his life now and having extra money from selling drugs lets him do that. There was zero hope, zero role models and the idea of leaving the gang or the city or even the state and starting a normal, good life where they got a job etc was not even considered.

They did a sequel to it when they went back and revisited the same people 10 years later. Most of them were either dead or in jail, but those that weren't were still living the gangster life. The guy trying to get kids out was making some headway and showing results, but he said getting funding of any kind for his community center and his programs was nearly impossible because the politicians and those with money that would normally donate to a charity just wanted to pretend like this problem didn't exist.

It was fascinating and infuriating seeing the loser/lost mindset of the people.

pornsprite

Fathers raising their kids and kids going to school and getting a good educational foundation and then going on to higher education will cure a lot of ill.


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Matt 26z

What if I were to point out white people "completely devoid of the circumstances and resources" of this bubble you speak of?

Do we expect them to fall into a life of violent crime?

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kane

I see those pictures and I see a lot of people who either have been or will be in jail or who are living on the system. I grew up in it. As a kid I lived in a little redneck town filled with white trash. While there wasn't a ton of drug activity (although there was some) there was plenty of other crimes. Most of them were actually sexual in nature and were fathers diddling their daughters or women getting attacked by drunk guys. There was also a ton of domestic violence. There were plenty of people in that town that got arrested on a regular basis and many of them got government assistance of some form or another.

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eroticsexxx

Proper parenting goes a long way into raising future generations of children right.

Glad my parents took the time to whoop my ass and keep me focused on my education.

Then again, my street cred has suffered a bit because of it.

Two degrees, several businesses, a beautiful wife and a kid later I wouldn't want to change a thing though.

And yes, Bill Cosby is on point with most of his rants. A surprising number of blacks do embrace ignorance as a badge of honor. Not all of us do, but some of these motherfuckers...

tonyparra

this thread will go down in history....

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yes i hear you all talking about that and its a dam shame that your mind sets are fucked up but the truth of the matter is what the fuck is wrong with white people too dont leave your so called perfect selves out the equation blowing up children's hospitals animal sex which pays pretty good i might add but still sick and disgusting. eating shit wow killing baby children in a fucking school, colombine high lynching hanging rape murder disease starters aids. taking the land from the Indians killing them off with disease what the fuck is wrong with white people you should be more like the blacks of ancient times when there was unity and a since of fucking family in the land. blacks should be more like themselves family oriented like they used to be but since the introduction of white global supremacy rules it will never be that way. fuck each and every one of you racist bitches.

Mutt

sadly dumbness/poverty is passed on generation by generation and has nothing to do with color or ethnicity - trailer trash begats more trailer trash and hoodrats begat more hoodrats.

we know what happened with the black male, 400 hundred years of enslavement, racism and bigotry and this is the result.

BUT liberals as usual are delusional, they've thrown billions at the problem and it doesn't work, the ONLY people who will help blacks rise beyond their present situation are blacks themselves, just like every other group. every liberal should be forced to adopt a black child and raise him/her. THAT will make a difference. But the vast majority of liberals always want somebody else to do the hard work.

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I point to the influx of 'minorities' into main stream culture. if you'll look to the direction of popular culture though media you'll see 'lawyers/civil rights activist/celebrity activist' all beating the 'it's whiteys fault', 'it's not fair' drum loud and clear. the generations coming of age have no sense of personal responsibility having been taught from an early age that responsibility/blame is assigned to others... just like the generations coming of age now are taught the respect is demanded, not earned...

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Grapesoda

bad news for you: I'm not fascinated/obsessed with black people

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TheSquealer

I listed to Adam and Dr Dru this morning on my way to the gym and they replayed the part that started this conversation.

As Adam was commenting on parents needing to be more involved in their kids lives, their educations, need to keep families together, put an emphasis on saving money for bad times etc - Gavin interrupted by saying specifically that "50% of blacks and latinos have no access to checking accounts".

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TheSquealer

Of course, thats a very comforting message. Who wants to hear "look, some of you guys need to get your shit together. Stop shitting out kids. Start parenting. Start emphasizing education, preach hard work and success!"? These are not things that either get politicians elected and certainly don't get them re-elected. What sells is "its not your fault, the system is against you, the system is broken and i'll fix it for you.... and once again, its not your fault" God forbid people actually start accepting responsibility for themselves for a change.

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eightmotives

You say billions have been thrown at this problem, but where did the money go? I can tell you a large chunk has gone into feeding the prison industrial complex.

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Funny how this picture was utilized in this thread, when we are talking about Blacks here in America.

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I don't think he was asking you to be obsessed. I'm pretty sure he was providing you with resources to help educate yourself, if you so choose to do so. Being free to make opinionated statements in this country is one of the things I love about it, but making statements with a bias perspective spreads misinformation and keeps people ignorant.

Hopefully you find fascination elsewhere and are obsessed with a subject matter that will help influence people, whomever they may be, in a positive manner.

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kane

About them not having access to checking accounts.

This, to me, means they are either here illegally (and even then they might be able to get a checking account. In some states you can get a drivers license even if you are illegal) or you have such a terrible banking history that the banks won't give you an account because they know you will just overdraw it.

I would like to hear from him exactly why these people don't have access to a checking account. Even if they have a horrible credit history and terrible banking history they should be able to get a savings account which would allow them to deposit money then get money orders/cashiers checks to pay bills or even get a debit card to use to pay for things.

The other day I saw Russell Simmons hawking some new debit card that allowed you to direct deposit paychecks into it and accept money with it. It sounds like it worked basically like a paypal account.

TrashyGirl

+1

...worse for black families or other families in poverty / low income situations including Latino, Indigenous (Native Americans) et al

crockett

Morons are still wearing their pants around their ankles and trying to run from cops.. Do you really need any clarification that being smart isn't really a top priority in the whole gettho thug life scene?

The sad part is this kind of dumb spreads cross culture, so as we see dumb rich or better off kids, trying to be "cool" and doing the same stupid shit as the ghetto gangsters.. Meaning over time the self fulfilling dumbing down of the population, progresses faster and faster because it's cool to be ghetto thug with no life goals.

I mean really.. if this isn't proof that the dumbing down isn't advancing at the speed of a bullet train I dunno what is..

crockett

Actually I will argue against that.. I used to do contractor work and I've worked in a lot of black neighborhoods. I've been in a lot of black families homes and I will be the first to say that blacks often have much more close-nit communities. (I'm not talking hardcore ghetto, but your average black across the tracks neighborhoods that you will see in the average US city)

Blacks do have a issue with deadbeat dads or parents with kid that aren't the same fathers but, whites have the same problems. Black family structures are usually ok and not that indifferent from your average white family.

I can't say I have the same first hand experience with hispanics but from what I've seen I can't say that they are in any different situation as a group than blacks or whites.

In fact I'd almost go as far to say that both Blacks & hispanics might have closer family structure with their grandparents and so on as they often live together.

I think it's stupid to use family structure as reason some groups of people do better than others. IMO I tend to think it's just a simple fact that they don't seem to share the same goals or mentality as people that tend to be successful.

This also is seen in whites as myself being a white male I'm not even going to pretend that somehow that makes me any better than anyone else and I've seen more than my fair share of useless white people, it's just that there tends to be a lesser percentage of hispanics & blacks that become what many of us consider "successful".

In my opinion, this isn't a race issue but it's a issue of people having the wrong types of goals or simply having the wrong attitude and not understanding how to fix or improve their situation.

I know a guy Puerto Rican for example that has a decent blue collar job. He's making enough to not be in poverty, he has 3 kids and is married. He told me he got 5 grand back on his taxes this year so whats he do? Buys some piece of shit car and some other dumb as shit and blows it all.

Now this is a guy that works a job, has a so so income and if he would work on getting some credit he could easily buy a modest house and improve his situation. Yet instead of doing that he just wastes his money.

This is a problem with lower income families. It's not just a Black or a Hispanic thing but it is very prevalent in their cultures with-in the US. Now days this is also becoming more prevalent among White families as well, so unless we start really spending money on education in this country we are going to be having worse problems 50 years from now and it's not going to be a race thing, but a uneducated/unmotivated thing.

crockett

Ricky is definitely trailer park Gangster. If he would just get his grade 11 education I'm sure he could fix his problems..

kane

Money management among the poor is such a terrible problem that I think they should make personal finance and basic money management classes mandatory for anyone on government assistance and they should make them free to anyone who wants to take them.

So often you see people get any kind of extra money and blow it when they could use it to better their lives. I have a friend that is always broke. He makes an average salary, but he has so much debt and credit he spends every cent he makes. If he were to get a raise and start bringing in $200 more per month he would go out and buy something that cost him $200 per month. I have harped on him non stop telling him that it is okay if he actually has a couple of dollars in his savings account, but he doesn't seem to care.

The worst I ever saw was my brother's brother in law. He and his wife (they have two kids as well) were so far behind their house was about to be foreclosed on and their car was about to get repo'd. They went to his mom and asked to borrow $5,000. She gave them the money knowing full well they would never pay her back (they never do pay them back). Instead of paying things down and getting caught up they paid just enough on the house and car to stop the legal action and then took a vacation to Hawaii. Fucking ridiculous.

Like you say, so many people also get a big tax return and just blow it. I worked in retail many years ago and tax time rocked because people would come in and buy big ticket items. That is the perfect type of money to use on savings and investments because it has already been taken out of your check. You have lived the full year without it so you don't miss it. Get it back and immediately put it something that can make you more money. But people don't do that. The allure of the big screen or the trip or the car or whatever is more important.

Another thing I have noticed is that it seems like many poor people have the best fucking cell phones. They have nothing, but they do have an IPhone which you know they are likely paying around $100 per month for. Not to mention many of them smoke and drink regularly.

TheSquealer

From what i heard, he was just saying popular, San Francisco, Liberal Democrat things because he's used to talking in sound bites, which is fine and expected as every politician is going to pander to their voters and do the same thing. He just happened to say something that would have went over well in San Fran and got the crowd on their feet cheering without anyone really asking "huh, why is that?"

That is the whole point of the controversy. He said the typical "it's not their fault thing" - but by the original statement is also stating there is a really big problem in 2 communities. The remaining 20 minutes was basically Carolla trying to get him to answer the simple questions "why did you mention those two groups" and "why are they the ones with the problem" and he wouldn't give any answer at all.

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Carolla's who thing, which i agree with 100% is that politicians are not about "fixing problems", though they are more than happy to tell you about the problems, discuss the magnitude of the problems and point fingers at others for causing those "problems", no one is going to say the hard to hear things or take the tough actions to start to right the ship and actually fix those problems.

So when you say "50% of blacks and latino's have no access to checking accounts" as a direct, feel good response to defend their inability to save money for a rainy day - it sounds wonderful to blacks and latinos as their out renting 24" spinners and paying for their Cricket phones and are ultimately going to vote for him - but when it comes down to "ok, we all agree there's a problem so - 1) why does this problem exist and 2) what are we going to do to fix it" - suddenly everyone goes full retard and just talks in circles as if English is their 3rd language, try to avoid offending their own voters.

As he said, the single greatest problem with politicians is that they aren't in politics to do anything much beyond getting re-elected.

"I want everyone to plan. Look down the road six months," said Carolla. "Yes they foreclosed on your home. That's why you need to have a network, a community, friends, family members, money put away. Don't have the kids."

"Think about it, Adam," challenged Newsom. "Half of African Americans in the state of California, and roughly half of Latino families, have no access to a checking account or an ATM."

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Bryan G

So I guess White "Americans" belong in Europe?

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Grapesoda

I agree and I'm almost positive I researched the subject much more in depth and hopefully you'll find this fascinating

BTW mr genius, using 'but' in a sentence negates every statement before the insertion of 'but'

and I'm still not obsessed with black people or red people, or brown people or even white people though I have studied the migration of cultures across geographic boundaries due to commerce, war and natural disasters because people don't really take on a large migrations with out negative motivation.

TheSquealer

You and _Richard_ get are the Gay Canadian equivalents of Baddog.

Belt out a few obvious 1 liners, ask a few safe rhetorical questions, act real pompous and then strut around for most of the day, patting yourself on the back for being so clever.

It makes great sense for you guys though. After all, why go through all the trouble of actually making a point and defending with with well reasoned discourse, when using more than a few words, when it means being risking being exposed for being a complete moron? I can understand why you wouldn't want to risk that. Thats also the brilliance of being you three. You have so little to work with intellectually, but you've figured out how to milk every little bit of value out of it.

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Please don't ever compare me to baddog for the love of god lol. I might make a few comments like the one above but I am no where in the same realm as that old bitch.

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crockett

Yea I know.. when I was doing the contracting work, it seemed like every low income house I went in had a big screen TV. This was back when they were still well over $500 or more. Not to mention I dunno how many Rent a Center PC's I saw.

This is why I say it's really not a "race" issue or a "lazy" issue. It is usually a higher percentage with-in the Latino & Black groups but whites are just as bad. It really is just an issue of irresponsibility, lack of planning and education.

TheSquealer

It's about values (or the lack thereof).

A Jewish family is not constantly sending the message to their kids "hey man, a big gold grill and rented wheels is success". A typical Asian family is not telling their kids "hey man, why you be tryin' to be smart readin' books n' shit?". They are involved. They demand a lot. And when a lot is demanded of someone... surprise! They rise up to meet those expectations.

At the end of the day, cultures that place a high emphasis on family, education and success tend to be more successful. Go into any hood and all you see is a bunch of kids modeling themselves after a horrible rap artist. Where else do you see that?. The black community was the first to lose any sense of values - family, being a good parent, emphasizing education, doing the right thing, being a good citizen, bettering yourself etc. All ethnic groups have problems, but theirs run far and deep and people shouldn't be worried about being labeled a racist to talk about the problems and to talk about solutions to the problems. It can't be denied that on the whole, black families are broken and a hugely disproportionate number of black males are in prison.

I think the issues in all cultures are different. Latinos clearly place a much bigger emphasis on family and hard work... but almost zero emphasis on success and building a financial future. Every Mexican i ever lived with or worked around was VERY hard working. In fact, they usually measured their worth as human beings by how many hours a week they worked. How much of that money went into the bank? How much went to a new house and car? How much went to an education and building a better future? None. I don't think that's an atypical experience.

What amazed me about that interview was that a politician says point blank "blacks and latinos do not have access to checking accounts" as if that somehow made sense... and the guy who asks "why is that?" gets labeled the racist in the media. And at the same time, the only questions that matter "why is that" and "what are we going to do to fix it" never get answered.

All that said, i can't imagine how that's possibly true that certain ethnic groups (or specifically blacks and latinos) can't get a checking account or "don't have access...". That in itself, is ironically, a wildly racist thing to say.

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eroticsexxx

Point made.

Yes, I was raised in The Bahamas (Caribbean) and found out that I did have a different outlook regarding my potential for success than most of my Black American counterparts that I attended US university with.

A vast majority of my Bahamian friends from high school who attended US universities are still in the US and are doing very well for themselves. Assimilation was effortless and none of them have the typical hangups about race or the perception of the opportunities that the US provides for anyone who is willing to sacrifice and work for their success.

I still maintain that social conditioning plays an important role in what is happening in American black culture. What's even more interesting is that as of late there has been a noticeable rise in crime and other instances of social dysfunction in the islands as folks begin to adopt and copycat the nuances of American black culture that trickle into island society.

My generation caught the beginning of it, so we also were influenced by hip hop and gangster rap culture, but the difference is that we had Caribbean parents who didn't hesitate to put a foot up our asses if we began to act that stuff out publicly. The line between what was entertainment and what was deemed proper for potential success was clearly defined.

Black American culture overall needs a reboot. Self responsibility and accountability for one's actions need to be instilled in upcoming generations across the board. Unfortunately, self esteem within the black populous in the US still remains at a low level, so it's no wonder fingers get pointed at others (in particular whites). It's far easier to blame someone else for your mistakes than to deal with the fact that one has the ability to steer their path into some semblance of stability.

There are pockets within US Black communities who are turning the tide and making sensible lives for themselves, but no one is paying attention to them. Only the negative gets highlighted and is given all of the attention. At the same time, those negative segments of the Black community are the ones having all of the children and passing the trend onto upcoming generations. Some are trying to make their way out of the mess, but if all that one hears is that they are fuck-ups, eventually that's what they subscribe to (self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts).

crockett

Yea, I'd have to agree that's is definitely something in the American culture.

My mother's neighbor is from Trinidad and when coming to the US he saw it as opportunity. He sold furniture in New York city, did very well for himself and retired early down in FL. This guy is a very smart man and has an excellent grasp of the English language, so I can tell why he did good at selling.

Meanwhile his son whom was born here has obviously suffered from the "bling, bling" generation and seems to be more worried about pimping out his car than anything else. Even though his dad is pretty strict with him you can still see the peer pressure has made it's dominating mark..

The kid could go to college and make a pretty good future for himself as he certainly has the backing from his parents, but he's just working some shitty job and hanging out with his friends, wasting the opportunity he was born into.