Bulk Mailing Service for Adult

[zishy]

Does anyone have a recommendation for a service like Constant Contact that will accept an adult client like myself? Seems they stay away from anything in our realm.

I want to send weekly emails to my big list and don't want to break the bank, yet also want to avoid the Spam folder.

Thanks!

[Phoenix]

how big is your list??

[Pseudonymous]

Theres many companies who would be interested. Gamma, Ynotmail (used them once), etc

I expect you to get many people contacting you

[Rochard]

YNOT Mail can handle any sized list... And has the best customer service in the world.

I've sent you an email. Love your content too btw.

[zishy]

list is about 5k right now, but unscrubbed. how did you like ynot, pseudo? are newsletters still effective these days?

[Konda]

https://www.netatlantic.com/ allows adult

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by zishy

list is about 5k right now, but unscrubbed. how did you like ynot, pseudo? are newsletters still effective these days?

Well I am a one man operation so I have to use my time where its best served, it definitely wasn't in mailing. Thats my experience. But it definitely depends on what you are selling them and if you can spare the time.

The odd time I will email my ex + current members about a new launch, about it. It brings in some sales, but worth it to spam the rest? Thats up to you to decide.

If you were to try to sell them on something more risque, like selling softcore members something a little more graphic, i think you might see better conversions, etc

Not sure 5k is considered that large, but if i were to give an opinion on what to expect, i'd say dont expect much.

If youre thinking about regular newsletters, I surely hope they signed up for this after joining your website/s or else youre going to have some pissed off customers/ex customers. The vast majority of members do not want signed up to any type of newsletter.. IMO

[LAJ]

Yup ... hit up rochard at ynot dot com for http://www.ynotmail.com

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Well I am a one man operation so I have to use my time where its best served, it definitely wasn't in mailing. Thats my experience. But it definitely depends on what you are selling them and if you can spare the time.

The odd time I will email my ex + current members about a new launch, about it. It brings in some sales, but worth it to spam the rest? Thats up to you to decide.

If you were to try to sell them on something more risque, like selling softcore members something a little more graphic, i think you might see better conversions, etc

Not sure 5k is considered that large, but if i were to give an opinion on what to expect, i'd say dont expect much.

If youre thinking about regular newsletters, I surely hope they signed up for this after joining your website/s or else youre going to have some pissed off customers/ex customers. The vast majority of members do not want signed up to any type of newsletter.. IMO

I don't think most will mind... just make sure to have a working opt out at the bottom.

But weekly, I think you are right, too much. Once a month.

"Just a friendly reminder for the zishy fans... we've added blah, blah this past month and it is worth noting that getting content for so and so was quite fun... in fact... blah blah"

only send emails to expired members ;) If they are paying already and active... well, you get the point.

[globofun]

I would have used ynotmail, but changed my mind since the rep doesn't like french-canadians

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Well I am a one man operation so I have to use my time where its best served, it definitely wasn't in mailing. Thats my experience. But it definitely depends on what you are selling them and if you can spare the time.

The odd time I will email my ex + current members about a new launch, about it. It brings in some sales, but worth it to spam the rest? Thats up to you to decide.

If you were to try to sell them on something more risque, like selling softcore members something a little more graphic, i think you might see better conversions, etc

Not sure 5k is considered that large, but if i were to give an opinion on what to expect, i'd say dont expect much.

If youre thinking about regular newsletters, I surely hope they signed up for this after joining your website/s or else youre going to have some pissed off customers/ex customers. The vast majority of members do not want signed up to any type of newsletter.. IMO

Mailing is an art. Don't bother your current members, but entice old ones to come back. Or present them something they can't refuse.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by epitome

Mailing is an art. Don't bother your current members, but entice old ones to come back. Or present them something they can't refuse.

Well you say don't bother your current members but if a high (higher than average) percentage of your sales come from ex members, you might as well be bothering current members.

Which is the case for solo girl sites which have a good solid following who signup, cancel and signup again in a few months.

It is definitely an art and its not something thats in the best interest of everybody.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Well you say don't bother your current members but if a high (higher than average) percentage of your sales come from ex members, you might as well be bothering current members.

Which is the case for solo girl sites which have a good solid following who signup, cancel and signup again in a few months.

It is definitely an art and its not something thats in the best interest of everybody.

I'm fairly certain he meant *active* current members. Those already going to rebill. Same thing I said.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by beaner

I'm fairly certain he meant *active* current members. Those already going to rebill. Same thing I said.

Members cancel, become inactive and they signup again in the near future. Extremely common and a higher percentage of your sales than one would initially think if they haven't looked into it

If you are emailing them inbetween them canceling and signing up again with newsletter blasts, its not a whole lot different than 'bothering' current members.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Members cancel, become inactive and they signup again in the near future. Extremely common

I hear you... yes, have found the same. I'm sticking to my 1 month recommendation... do not think overly intrusive and can be done in a way that shows class, humor, reality, etc.

[Markul]

+1 on Ynot Mail, I use it and love it.

[venus]

do it yourself, that's what we do.
get you a dedicated server at like leaseweb, put a mail server on it (we use icewarp.com), get you some mailing list software like subscribeme and your all set...oh ya, get a DNS server, you want to make sure you use dkim and SPF, keep your list clean, double optin, single opt out..your list is so small you don't need much

Originally Posted by zishy

Does anyone have a recommendation for a service like Constant Contact that will accept an adult client like myself? Seems they stay away from anything in our realm.

I want to send weekly emails to my big list and don't want to break the bank, yet also want to avoid the Spam folder.

Thanks!

[Sam - Mr. Skin]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Members cancel, become inactive and they signup again in the near future. Extremely common and a higher percentage of your sales than one would initially think if they haven't looked into it

If you are emailing them inbetween them canceling and signing up again with newsletter blasts, its not a whole lot different than 'bothering' current members.

It is WAY different. Let a sleeping dog lie.

[96ukssob]

with companies like ConstantContact, iContact, MailChimp, etc., you need to VALIDATE any list you import.

we spent a ton of time getting people registered on our site and had over 5,000, but when we loaded them into mailchimp, they told us we had to go through their validation, which means it sends an email to everyone asking if they would like to be mailed - double or even triple opt-in at this point.

rather, we just setup an account on smtp.com and worked fine. i dont know if they have anything with adult, but worth looking into.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Well I am a one man operation so I have to use my time where its best served, it definitely wasn't in mailing.

Then you're not doing it right.

You can easily make $15-50k a month in email marketing with a small to middle of the road operation. That would mean you're running clean data lists, mainstream affiliate offers, and effectively managing your IP space without a ton of complaints. I would bet that 99% of GFY is not making $15,000.00 a month profit, much less $50k consistently.

There is a huge difference between effective email marketing and spamming and jamming FYI. But it's going to be much better ROI of time and money for both the short and long term based on adult industry circa 2013. You do not have to abandon adult, but you if you think emailing is not worth your time, whether on a small or large scale, then you're misguided.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by zishy

Does anyone have a recommendation for a service like Constant Contact that will accept an adult client like myself?

Originally Posted by globofun

I would have used ynotmail, but changed my mind since the rep doesn't like french-canadians

I would advise you to talk to DamainJ.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by Sam - Mr. Skin

It is WAY different. Let a sleeping dog lie.

I do understand its different, but you are bothering both people. I do agree not to bother your current members (was never suggesting you should btw) but to say you aren't potentially pissing off people that will most likely be members again and that theres nothing to lose by email ex members with newsletters, well thats wrong, thats all i was saying.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Then you're not doing it right.

You can easily make $15-50k a month in email marketing with a small to middle of the road operation. That would mean you're running clean data lists, mainstream affiliate offers, and effectively managing your IP space without a ton of complaints. I would bet that 99% of GFY is not making $15,000.00 a month profit, much less $50k consistently.

There is a huge difference between effective email marketing and spamming and jamming FYI. But it's going to be much better ROI of time and money for both the short and long term based on adult industry circa 2013. You do not have to abandon adult, but you if you think emailing is not worth your time, whether on a small or large scale, then you're misguided.

I am not going to debate how much money you can make in email marketing with a 5,000 email database but I will leave it with saying, there is nothing this guy can do to make 15,000-50,000/month off of that list.

Secondly, I am not doing it wrong. My time is better spent in paysites. Each of my paysites makes between 5-10k a month after paying out (NET) and its a business model that can be repeated nonstop and the profits only pile on one another.It won't be long until my business is netting more than 50k/month.

Email marketing is not my business, lots of people who make money know there is money to be had outside of their business, you can't be involved in all fields/industries. To say im not doing it right because im not investing my time into email marketing is silly. Especially when even your inflated numbers do not match mine.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by globofun

I would have used ynotmail, but changed my mind since the rep doesn't like french-canadians

Rumors, lies, and half truths! He likes everyone! (Did you know he used to live outside of Montreal?)

Never ever loose your sense of humor. (And never believe anything I say in jest on a message board!)

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by bossku69

with companies like ConstantContact, iContact, MailChimp, etc., you need to VALIDATE any list you import.

we spent a ton of time getting people registered on our site and had over 5,000, but when we loaded them into mailchimp, they told us we had to go through their validation, which means it sends an email to everyone asking if they would like to be mailed - double or even triple opt-in at this point.

YNOT Mail doesn't have such restrictions. You are required to be Spam compliant, and we trust that you are. To date we've only had one person that hasn't been and he was quickly down.

Originally Posted by bossku69

rather, we just setup an account on smtp.com and worked fine. i dont know if they have anything with adult, but worth looking into.

This is always an option, but this assumes you want to invest the money into a sever and then time into setting it up AND investing the time into researching how to do it properly. Make a mistake and suddenly your IP is black listed and everything goes to spam. With YNOT Mail you can just say "This email went to spam, tell me why" and we will try to trouble shoot it for you.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I am not going to debate how much money you can make in email marketing

Indeed.

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Secondly, I am not doing it wrong. My time is better spent in paysites. Each of my paysites makes between 5-10k a month after paying out (NET)

If you say so.

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Email marketing is not my business, lots of people who make money know there is money to be had outside of their business, you can't be involved in all fields/industries. To say im not doing it right because im not investing my time into email marketing is silly.

You missed the point, but based on the rest of your reply and ignorance, I should say I am not surprised. I'll concede the point that you would rather talk than listen, and that's fine.

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Especially when even your inflated numbers do not match mine.

When you're ready to post up some numbers from your infamous paysites and ironclad business model versus mailing let me know. We'll see what grosses more and the net pay out once the dust has cleared at the end of the month.

All this said, if you would have stuck to the point instead of getting your tender feelings flying around in this bullshit reply, then you would have caught the underlying point in the value of email marketing and it's impact on your bottom line even with a small list. You need to keep your members, past and present, engaged and if used correctly, you can make some recurring revenue off that list whether adult or mainstream.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I do understand its different, but you are bothering both people. .

Are you a businessman or a hobbyist?

[Pseudonymous]

LOL you come into the thread and tell me I am doing it wrong if my time is better spent somewhere else and then give me numbers and given I know my numbers. I simply say, infact, my time is better spent elsewhere and somehow I am the ignorant one with a bullshit response.

And im not sure what in my post suggests I took your post personal. I provided my numbers to back why I disagree *shrug* But okay

[alias]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Rumors, lies, and half truths! He likes everyone! (Did you know he used to live outside of Montreal?)

How do you feel about poutine?

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I simply say, infact, my time is better spent elsewhere

Fair enough.

[Tom_PM]

It's a shame that even though there is a law about being compliant that there is still discrimination. I suppose adult is still high risk no matter what, whether it's processing or email marketing.

edit: was only referring to so-called "mainstream" mailing services which really means "no adult allowed"

1 vote here for YNot.

[Stinger]

Originally Posted by zishy

Does anyone have a recommendation for a service like Constant Contact that will accept an adult client like myself? Seems they stay away from anything in our realm.

I want to send weekly emails to my big list and don't want to break the bank, yet also want to avoid the Spam folder.

Thanks!

Sent you an Email Mate !

Cheers !

[cybermike]

So what do people actually mail their ex members? During the holidays I usually send a mailing to ex members with a big discount to try to get them to come back

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by alias

How do you feel about poutine?

Count me in! All the way!

[venus]

for about the last 15 years we have been mailing once a week..just a news letter with that weeks updates and free pictures in it

Originally Posted by cybermike

So what do people actually mail their ex members? During the holidays I usually send a mailing to ex members with a big discount to try to get them to come back

[zishy]

my immediate intention is to email both active and non-active members and tell them that i'll be raising my prices and to join now before they go up on a certain date in the near future. and if they're members, i'm hoping they'll be smart enough to realize that it might be best for them to stay subscribed at their current price level.