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Exploiting human weakness
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(scruple) I have to let 7 employees go today. I am drinking heavily. Can I send a group text?
A major client cancelled services today. They have a new CEO and he is cutting costs so our business with them go got slashed 30% even though we are responsible for the majority of their foot traffic. I have to let 7 employees go. Not sure how to do this. I am not good at this type of thing let alone doing it with 7 people in one day. I bought an 1/8th of GodBud a bottle of Stolichnaya and some hibiscus juice from Trader Joes. At this point I am wasted but still am able to connect with reality from time to time so your opinions will be considered and welcomed.
Question: Will I be an ass if I send a group text or do I have to do this one by one? What say you citizens of Rome? |
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You need to do it either in a group meeting of all 7 or one on one with each.
By test, email or phone is bullshit. Be honest with them. just my ![]() .
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I'd text them, no big deal, just put a smiley at the end.
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Group meeting or one at a time in person...
That's a shitty situation, man, I feel for you.
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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what the hell you run? traffic company with 20+ employees ... tell them to find a real job ... with smiley at the end
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Designate one of your remaining employees as a 'Human Resources Director' and have them do it.
![]() Naw - honesty is the best policy. Take the time to explain the circumstances and the reasons for letting them go. Be generous with sympathy and apologies. Unless you can snarl like Sarah Connor, resist the urge to say, "You're terminated, fucker." |
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call them into a group meeting. Explain the situation concerning downsizing and ask them if they know a way to replace that loss of business before you terminate them.
give them a chance to save their job |
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Do like the big guys do, see how long they will work without a check.
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And if you text be sure to use at least two smilies and a wink.
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![]() If they are good employees and have transferrable skills, can't you try and find additional or different work for them (develop more clients). Have luck! ![]() ![]() ADG |
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Exploiting human weakness
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![]() They greatest minds of GFY have spoken! = group text with a
![]() I knew I could count on you guys to tell me the right way to proceed regardless if it is a potentially valuable domain name sale, who I should marry, and how to deal with hard decisions such as firing other human beings. My soul is at peace. |
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working on my tan
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Announce to every employee the problem your firm faces ….. Then call every employee in one at a time and do one of the following.
Explain why an employee is being kept and how the company must adapt for the future. This will alleviate any job security fears remaining employees will have as well as motivating them for the future. At this time you should also, one on one, lay-off those who you feel you must. Explaining nothing but the exit plan you have for each. Again, explain nothing in this meeting, keep it short and focus on the employees exit. . |
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Wait until Friday
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My bro got fired from phaurt fan recently. They called a few guys in one at a time. Made them sign some shit in shock. He didn't know wtf he signed. The story continues...
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Just announce it on GFY.
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Tell them you had to make a choice between firing them and kidnapping them one by one for the ransom money just to keep the company afloat. In the end this is the best way and saves everyone the time. They will appreciate this kind of logic.
Blackout Tip: Switch to Scotch.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Don't do the text. Very lame solution. ![]() Be a Man and do a group meeting about it. Why do you have to send 7 employees Immediately after such a thing? YOU should work on getting that client back somehow, or get other clients... I really don't wanna be an asshole, but this sounds more like your fail not theirs... ![]() Give them chance to prove they can produce value on other tasks.. 7 employees who might have experience with this or that... Could be a bad decision to send them all Right Away... ![]() Last but not least: forget weed and booze for such a case. It will only give you fucking bad lame ideas like this text. Do ACID, it will shepherd you into the right direction. Not kidding: a few years ago there was a guy working for me, and I was fucking unable to decide if he is a retard and fucks me over or he is a genius and I am a douche for not realizing this.. So one day when I was riding my bicycle on the way to my office I decided not to go there until I make my decision. After 30 minutes I thought I need to have a Different POV for real and took some Acid [yes, in the last ten years I go everywhere with a piece of Blotter for such cases - don't laugh! ![]()
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Yeah, I'd announce to everyone that you lost the huge client and the entire company is CODE RED. Even say there could have to be layoffs if a replacement isn't found ASAP. See who HUSTLES FOR YOU and who goes to the copy machine to print their resumes.
Then, wait a few days and fire whoever you have to fire. Be direct, tell them if things change you'll hire them back... and do it in person. Sucks, but a text is lame and will cause more problems than it solves.
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When I fire multiple people due to lack of work in one of my businesses, I first have a group meeting explaining the situation to ALL employees in that business/division. You never know if someone you intended to keep wants to quit. After they have had some time to digest the situation I call those I am going to let go in for individual meetings. Most my regular employees get 3 months notice before they are let go.
If you can't handle firing people with dignity then you shouldn't hire them in the first place.
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there's nothing wrong in firing the people if you can't feed them.
it's not a reason to drink hard at all, it's just about bringing some sense into your business |
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You have a team in place.. can you not offer another co your services?
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Work Work Work
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Good advice for bad times.
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Don't forget to ask the other members of staff which of their colleagues are mentally unstable.
Once you find out, check that none of those individuals are on the 'to fire' list, you don't want them coming back later in the day with an AK-47 and shooting the place up. Murica.
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Oh, and make sure you let them know it's all Obamas fault.
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Be honest, and do it in person...
Don't do it in a group - One of them will get shitty and wind up the rest of them - Don't even let them see each other after the event if you can help it..... Also, make sure the reason they are going and not another employee is acceptable... You can also use it as an opportunity to to make your other staff more positive - Tell them why they are being kept on..... |
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hahahahaha awesome !
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Get drunk and send them an email.
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And you call yourself an "exploiter of human weakness" ...
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These events are a lot easier when you do it in a group meeting.
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Was driving today and was listening radio(99.1 in CT) - story about 400 people were fired at once during phone conference. Wasn't good decision to do it over the phone.
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A few things.
Instead of going to the bottle and you should be putting your man pants on and be cold calling figuring out how to replace the client and why the sales pipeline isnt always full so this never ever happens again. Also think about the signs that were there that they were going to leave that either you didnt see or choose not to see. I had a boss who taught me something very powerful ask the questions that scare the shit out of you because those are the questions that will always bite you in the ass. You should do it face to face like a man, also if you get into sales gear you can tell them its not permanent. its a lay off or you can hide into a bottle. |
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If they are bad employees get rid of them quickly and enjoy doing it however you want.
If they are good employees how you shed them matters for a few reasons. You may want to rehire them in the future. The employees you keep will see how your company sheds people. They may have honest useful info you can learn from in an exit interview. They are good people and deserve respect... and so on... The best thing you can do is take a step toward helping them land softly. It doesn't have to be any major expense of time or money, but it does need to be more than a meaningless gesture. It shows you do actually care about your staff, even when you have to let them go. Some simple ideas... If they will qualify for unemployment many won't know how to file for it. Print up the forms and information from the .gov site and include it in a termination package for them. Offer to look over their CV for them (which also lets you see how they plan to list their time at your company). Simple stuff like that shows you put a few minutes at least into thinking of how they can transition best. I've laid off hundreds of people unfortunately during my careers. It's never as much fun as hiring people. There is no way to make firing a good employee painless, but there are easy ways to make it less painful than it could have been. ![]() |
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one by one , face to face.
noting else.
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do it face to face in a group, explain things as best you can, wish them luck and apologize for your mistakes as a manager(whether you made any or not, it makes them feel good). tell them as soon as you can afford to bring them back on staff and have new clients you will, otherwise wish them luck on their paid vacation for a few weeks.
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So Fucking What
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How much notice are you going to give them?
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Wait til Friday and be cool about it..
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Get everyone in the company to a meeting.
tell then it's bad times, you have to let go of 12 people in 30 days unless something changes. ask everyone to brainstorm what they each can do for the company to turn the boat around and that you will have individual meetings next week. you will see then who is valuable, get new input and you can be the good guy that "saved 4 positions" when you only let go of 8 instead of 12
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Give one of your remaining employees a promotion with a Human Resources prefix and have them do the firing.
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