Russia didn't invade Ukraine

[Emma]

Putin sent troops in Crimea to protect their interests and the Russian speaking population.

Facts you need to know about Crimea

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

exactly

[wehateporn]

Russia cares for their neighbors, they want to help out during difficult times, that is a good thing

[Markul]

This thread is funny

[seeandsee]

russia will send army and get everything she can, she will not look back...

[JockoHomo]

[Emma]

Most Americans can't find Ukraine on a map, but they're all experts in the geopolitics of the region, because they've watched the American news channels and heard their leadership's version of events.

[Kolargol]

Originally Posted by Emma

Putin sent troops in Crimea to protect their interests and the Russian speaking population.

Facts you need to know about Crimea

So did Hitler in 1938 - to protect Germans from those violent Czechs.
BTW, how many Russians were murdered in antirussian riots in Crimea recently? 10? 100? or ZERO?

[AndrewX]

Originally Posted by Kolargol

So did Hitler in 1938 - to protect Germans from those violent Czechs.
BTW, how many Russians were murdered in antirussian riots in Crimea recently? 10? 100? or ZERO?

Don't answer questions with questions. You made your point. Russia made sure it will not happen. Those terrorists put a democratically elected president aside and expect the world to help them with their criminal acts.

[Kolargol]

Originally Posted by AndrewX

Don't answer questions with questions. You made your point. Russia made sure it will not happen. Those terrorists put a democratically elected president aside and expect the world to help them with their criminal acts.

I think all they expect is to sort their own country without russian invasion.

[femdomdestiny]

I don't get it where is problem now? When NATO attack and took over sovereign territory (Kosovo), against all international rules and by completely avoiding UN. Then it was ok and it was some other's problem, i guess.

Russians told back then that Pandora's box is opened and that what just happened will start happening all around globe. And this is just the begining and similar scenarios we will watrch in incoming days.Yes there are many serious countries or countries that are NATO members like Spain, Greece, or Slovakia that won't recognize this fake terrorist NATO creation in the middle of Europe, since they know what that means, but also,tons of puppet regimes and governments did it and there was no such problem like it is now when Russians are doing it without bullet fired. Double standards, or what? It is always dangerous not to follow rules or change them when you like it.

Mustafa Cemilev, the Chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People declared that he supported the right of self-determination for every nation, including Kosovo.[490] He also added that the Crimean Tatars will not start a secession process from Ukraine if their rights are respected. Cemilev stated that he believes the motive for the Kosovars to declare independence was the anti-Albanian situation in Kosovo

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by AndrewX

Don't answer questions with questions. You made your point. Russia made sure it will not happen. Those terrorists put a democratically elected president aside and expect the world to help them with their criminal acts.

The President was ripping them off - They got rid of a thief...

Sounds like a good plan to me.....

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

I don't get it where is problem now? When NATO attack and took over sovereign territory (Kosovo), against all international rules and by completely avoiding UN. Then it was ok and it was some other's problem, i guess.

Russians told back then that Pandora's box is opened and that what just happened will start happening all around globe. And this is just the begining and similar scenarios we will watrch in incoming days.Yes there are many serious countries or countries that are NATO members like Spain, Greece, or Slovakia that won't recognize this fake terrorist NATO creation in the middle of Europe, since they know what that means, but also,tons of puppet regimes and governments did it and there was no such problem like it is now when Russians are doing it without bullet fired. Double standards, or what? It is always dangerous not to follow rules or change them when you like it.

Mustafa Cemilev, the Chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People declared that he supported the right of self-determination for every nation, including Kosovo.[490] He also added that the Crimean Tatars will not start a secession process from Ukraine if their rights are respected. Cemilev stated that he believes the motive for the Kosovars to declare independence was the anti-Albanian situation in Kosovo

You are just trolling through history looking for mistakes to justify what is happening today...

Learn from the mistakes of the past - Don't use them as an excuse to repeat them.....

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Emma

Putin sent troops in Crimea to protect their interests and the Russian speaking population.

But why?

There wasn't any protesting or rioting going on in Crimea. The government removed it's president, which them fled to Russia. There was no danger to anyone at all until the Russians invaded.

This is like Congress removing Obama from office, and Mexico invading Texas to protect Spanish speaking people.

The ONLY danger to the people in Crimea is the fact that Russian troops have invaded.

[wehateporn]

Ukraine has been taken over by unelected bloodthirsty radicals funded by George Soros, the citizens are crying out for Russia to help them restore peace and democracy

Originally Posted by Rochard

But why?

There wasn't any protesting or rioting going on in Crimea. The government removed it's president, which them fled to Russia. There was no danger to anyone at all until the Russians invaded.

This is like Congress removing Obama from office, and Mexico invading Texas to protect Spanish speaking people.

The ONLY danger to the people in Crimea is the fact that Russian troops have invaded.

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by Emma

Putin sent troops in Crimea to protect their interests and the Russian speaking population.

Hitler sent troops in Czechoslovakia to protect their interests and the German speaking population.

[klinton]

Originally Posted by Antonio

whole CzechoSlovakia is not Crimea...and Crimea is just a part of Ukraine

[Emma]

People hold flags during a pro-Russian rally outside the Crimean parliament building. So, as long as Russian troops don't move further than they're welcomed by the locals, no shots will be fired.

The referendum of the status of the autonomous republic of Crimea will be held on March 30.

58.3 percent of the population are Russians,so guess what will happen.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

You are just trolling through history looking for mistakes to justify what is happening today...

Learn from the mistakes of the past - Don't use them as an excuse to repeat them.....

LOL.Mistake?? It was planned and organized action for years where consequences were consciously ignored because there were no fear for a side that is doing it and with a clear goals. It was not a mistake, people running countries and military armadas are not idiots or amateurs that decide to do something just like that. Again, how mistake can be made if more then half of world in that moment are not agreeing on that and saying they don't support it?

It is clear arrogance, force, and economic and political interest,and not a mistake. You don't buy a dinner by mistake but you can avoid UN and give country to armed Muslims terrorists and nazi followers (by mistake?): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Wa..._(1st_Albanian)

[Markul]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

I don't get it where is problem now? When NATO attack and took over sovereign territory (Kosovo), against all international rules and by completely avoiding UN. Then it was ok and it was some other's problem, i guess.

Russians told back then that Pandora's box is opened and that what just happened will start happening all around globe. And this is just the begining and similar scenarios we will watrch in incoming days.Yes there are many serious countries or countries that are NATO members like Spain, Greece, or Slovakia that won't recognize this fake terrorist NATO creation in the middle of Europe, since they know what that means, but also,tons of puppet regimes and governments did it and there was no such problem like it is now when Russians are doing it without bullet fired. Double standards, or what? It is always dangerous not to follow rules or change them when you like it.

Mustafa Cemilev, the Chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People declared that he supported the right of self-determination for every nation, including Kosovo.[490] He also added that the Crimean Tatars will not start a secession process from Ukraine if their rights are respected. Cemilev stated that he believes the motive for the Kosovars to declare independence was the anti-Albanian situation in Kosovo

I remember when that happened, they even wanted to ship me there to help make it happen. I had just returned from a tour in Bosnia. That was the day I left the army.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Kolargol

I think all they expect is to sort their own country without russian invasion.

No money? Don't wanna work? Do a revolution then!

[oppoten]

MSNBC graphic...looks like the Czechs have invaded Slovakia while the world isn't looking...

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

The President was ripping them off - They got rid of a thief...

Winch one? Please give me a name of the Ukrainian president who hasn't been a thief.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Winch one? Please give me a name of the Ukrainian president who hasn't been a thief.

I don't know what they are moaning about then - They should be used to it...

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Rochard

There wasn't any protesting or rioting going on in Crimea.

Do you always post first and think second? Just curious...

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

I don't know what they are moaning about then - They should be used to it...

And they are. The name of the next president of Ukraine will be (sorry for bringing here facts from the future) Timoshenko. A woman who was already been prosecuted for economical crimes (theft) long before all those Yushenko and Yanukovich. She also was a prime minister of Ukraine. Did she stop stealing? No she didn't. So why the Ukrainians are so sure that she won't be doing in future? Yes, Yanukovish was a thief but Timoshonko is a thief too. About 100 Ukrainian citizens were killed just to replace one shit with another. I really don't understand them

[klinton]

Originally Posted by oppoten

MSNBC graphic...looks like the Czechs have invaded Slovakia while the world isn't looking...

they reunited again

[Kolargol]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

And they are. The name of the next president of Ukraine will be (sorry for bringing here facts from the future) Timoshenko. A woman who was already been prosecuted for economical crimes (theft) long before all those Yushenko and Yanukovich. She also was a prime minister of Ukraine. Did she stop stealing? No she didn't. So why the Ukrainians are so sure that she won't be doing in future? Yes, Yanukovish was a thief but Timoshonko is a thief too. About 100 Ukrainian citizens were killed just to replace one shit with another. I really don't understand them

Does it give you right to invade their country? Will Russia invade mine if Putin decides he doesnt like my president or the way we might get rid of him?

[Sly]

I like watching Russians justifying Russian actions after years of listening to them bitch and moan about American actions. It's entertaining.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Sly

I like watching Russians justifying Russian actions after years of listening to them bitch and moan about American actions. It's entertaining.

.. and vice versa ....

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Kolargol

Does it give you right to invade their country? Will Russia invade mine if Putin decides he doesnt like my president or the way we might get rid of him?

... no

but watch out for the USA ... they invade far away from home

[Emma]

Originally Posted by Kolargol

Does it give you right to invade their country? Will Russia invade mine if Putin decides he doesnt like my president or the way we might get rid of him?

The Crimea was historically part of Russia until 1954 when Khrushchev assigned it to Ukraine for contemporary internal USSR reasons.

[mineistaken]

So why did they invade Crimea? Did Ukrainians plan to kill Russian people there?
Crimea was part of Ukraine and is the same part of Ukraine after the revolution. Nothing changed, why invade?

Seems that Russian propaganda really gets to some people.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Emma

The Crimea was historically part of Russia until 1954 when Khrushchev assigned it to Ukraine for contemporary internal USSR reasons.

Many of those claiming Russian as foreign language claims themselves as Ukrainians.
Posting these stats based on language is tampering with the whole picture.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by oppoten

MSNBC graphic...looks like the Czechs have invaded Slovakia while the world isn't looking...

How dumb should people working there be not to at least think "hmm, Checoslovakia, isn't it a country anymore" ?

[Emma]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Many of those claiming Russian as foreign language claims themselves as Ukrainians.
Posting these stats based on language is tampering with the whole picture.

We will see. A referendum on the Crimean autonomy status will be held in Crimea on March 30th.

Also,Putin must protect his Baltic Fleet. This is where their submarine fleet has been since the Soviet days, there are marines and troops there to protect it. Ukraine cannot expect Russia to leave its base vulnerable, they clearly made agreements to it staying there after the fall of the Soviet Union. Russia is doing only what any country would do when one of its bases is at risk.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Emma

Also,Putin must protect his Baltic Fleet.

How is Crimea related to Baltic fleet?

[Emma]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

How is Crimea related to Baltic fleet?

My mistake. I mean Black Sea Fleet.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

So why did they invade Crimea? Did Ukrainians plan to kill Russian people there?
Crimea was part of Ukraine and is the same part of Ukraine after the revolution. Nothing changed, why invade?

Seems that Russian propaganda really gets to some people.

This is what I don't understand. The only threat to Crimea seems to be the Russian invasion.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

And they are. The name of the next president of Ukraine will be (sorry for bringing here facts from the future) Timoshenko. A woman who was already been prosecuted for economical crimes (theft) long before all those Yushenko and Yanukovich. She also was a prime minister of Ukraine. Did she stop stealing? No she didn't. So why the Ukrainians are so sure that she won't be doing in future? Yes, Yanukovish was a thief but Timoshonko is a thief too. About 100 Ukrainian citizens were killed just to replace one shit with another. I really don't understand them

One question: How many troops Russia can have there regarding agreemend about renting Sevastopol base?

If I heard good, 13k marines, 1k ground troops, 110 transporters, and 30 artilery systems. Is that true?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

One question: How many troops Russia can have there regarding agreemend about renting Sevastopol base?

If I heard good, 13k marines, 1k ground troops, 110 transporters, and 30 artilery systems. Is that true?

A better question to him would be "how did Putin amass a multi-billion dollar fortune as a public servant"

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by oppoten

MSNBC graphic...looks like the Czechs have invaded Slovakia while the world isn't looking...

we have Schengen and half of Slovakian population is in CZ anyways - doesnt make a big difference

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Kolargol

Does it give you right to invade their country?

Are you an idiot? I'm sitting in front of my computer in Moscow right now. How can I invade anything except my fridge?

Originally Posted by Kolargol

Will Russia invade mine if Putin decides he doesnt like my president or the way we might get rid of him?

Ask Putin.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

A better question to him would be "how did Putin amass a multi-billion dollar fortune as a public servant"

Putin has a special speaking-head for that. Ask him. Why do you ask me?

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by AndrewX

Don't answer questions with questions. You made your point. Russia made sure it will not happen. Those terrorists put a democratically elected president aside and expect the world to help them with their criminal acts.

I can't keep off answering this insane fucker with ADG style.

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

And they are. The name of the next president of Ukraine will be (sorry for bringing here facts from the future) Timoshenko. A woman who was already been prosecuted for economical crimes (theft) long before all those Yushenko and Yanukovich. She also was a prime minister of Ukraine. Did she stop stealing? No she didn't. So why the Ukrainians are so sure that she won't be doing in future? Yes, Yanukovish was a thief but Timoshonko is a thief too. About 100 Ukrainian citizens were killed just to replace one shit with another. I really don't understand them

At times enough is enough. The nation takes a chance to change things. If you do nothing it will remain the same.

[mineistaken]

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1134948 applies to the OP who believes in Russian propaganda about saving Russian people.

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

we have Schengen and half of Slovakian population is in CZ anyways - doesnt make a big difference

Yeah, i was in Slovakia recently, was wondering about where all the folks did go, i loved it out there, fresh air and stuff.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Sid70

At times enough is enough. The nation takes a chance to change things. If you do nothing it will remain the same.

Once again: they (Ukrainians) have replaced one thief with another (ok, almost replaced because Timoshenko is not a president yet but she will be). So what will change there? Will she stop stealing?

Another problem is that revolution will never help to the economics. "Enough is enough" was when Ukrainians did this to Kuchma. Another "enough is enough" was then Ukrainians did this to Yanukovich (for a first time in 2004). Now here we go: a new "enough is enough"? 22 years of living for revolution, maybe it would be better if Ukrainian people start work instead of overthrowing the government? The Ukrainian economics is totally devastated (according to Yatsenuk, there are no money left). So what's next?

[just a punk]

Кстати, по поводу революций. Их всегда начинают идеалисты (интеллигенция), а заканчивают отморозки. Так ведь было уже в 1917. Вроде бы мирно свергли царя в феврале, поставили временное буржуазное правительство (ничего не напоминает?), но шариковы и швондеры (парни типа вашего Музычко и ему подобных) не захотели на этом останавливаться и случился еще один переворот, уже в октябре. Результаты этого переворота тебе известны ничуть не меньше, чем мне.

На Украине сейчас ровно такая же ситуация. Вмененное правительство по сути нифига не контролирует страну. Общая мобилизация провалилась. Силовики покидают посты, или вообще и переходят на сторону противников новой власти. По улицам Киева шарахаются кучи вооруженных революционеров (им бы еще черные кожанки раздать и маузеры - просто картина маслом). Лидер местных нациков (назовем его батькой Махно) создает собственную армию (по сути, вооруженное бандформирование), органы правопорядка не работают. Экономика в жопе. Ну и чем все это закончится? Я не Нострадамус, но берусь предсказать, что закончится очередным военным переворотом и к власти придут настоящие отморозки. Будет свой 1917 на Украине. Это конечно, если российские войска не будут вмешиваться, чего лично мне действительно не хотелось бы. Ибо решайте свои дела сами, нефиг русским парням умирать из-за амбиций бабы с косой и нашего впадающего в боевой маразм президента.