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disinfected · 12-04-2014, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

To be 100% honest here: I use YNOT mail to email ex-Members. Last month I sent out an email to 25K people and got.....1 sale.

!!!!!

Man, that is horrible.

I collect emails first before I present any packages. Collecting about 150 or so new each day. I send an automated email every 2 weeks, from my server (shows latest updates).

Cost to do so = $0. And works very well.

I tried some pay services and nothing but problems. If my IP get's blacklisted, I just will get a new one

Elli · 12-04-2014, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by seeric

Yep.

You are the whole brand, the whole product. Very highly targeted.

For what most of us are referencing is general porn surfers, qualified to porn.

If I had an 1 million fresh email list of people that are just seeking Tranny BDSM with big tits, then well you're still going to be able to make great money.

We're talking about lists that are more or less people who join normal general pay sites.

You are the exact person that email marketing does benefit.

Your experience does not translate to every application, that I can assure.

Excellent point.

I didn't know you were talking about more general lists. Rather, I didn't want someone with less experience reading the thread and thinking email was a complete waste of time. I was just adding some balance.

The Porn Nerd · 12-04-2014, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Elli

Excellent point.

I didn't know you were talking about more general lists. Rather, I didn't want someone with less experience reading the thread and thinking email was a complete waste of time. I was just adding some balance.

Also, this thread is about paysites. Is that what you were sending emails on or was it AFF? Because if it's Adult Friend Finder then that's a completely different thing.

Emails are not a total waste of time I am learning, rather just another (important?) tool in your marketing toolbox. Of course, I do not even know how to use a hammer so I am fucked.

LAJ · 12-04-2014, 10:14 PM

Hey Porn Nerd... work with Rochard on improvement. Chances are possible your message needs to be fixed and freshened up.

sojproductions · 12-05-2014, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Also, this thread is about paysites.

We have a similar list to you, 35k from ex members the past few years. I don't use Ynot, I use phplist on my server so the setup is different but the situation is the same and I was in the same boat.

I have had a few shocking mailouts where we have had 1 sale per 10,000, but i've also had them as good as 1 sale for 250. When I first started, straight up 'click for a discount' emails did the trick, over time they just stopped working and cost us to send. So we went back to the drawing board and after a few hours of brainstorming me and my team had a list of ideas, some worked better than others, for example, our most successful mailout this year was a benefits and how to get the most out of the site guide email - listing all the download / stream options formats, how vids can be played on smart tvs, what interaction etc.

Other ideas included snippets of good reviews with links to the full review site so they can see it is honest. We also did a 'way back when' campaign and showed the progression of the material and quality across the years. We still do discounts, last week was black friday and was very successful but discounts are now much rarer.

It's not easy thinking of new ideas over and over, in fact its bloody hard but with a good idea we do find the rewards are still there.

sojproductions · 12-05-2014, 02:55 AM

In response to the original post, 2014 has been ok, we have far less affiliate sales now than we ever had (40% of total sales down to around 15% now over the past 2 years), so total sales revenue is down around $100k, but direct 100% sales are way up so net total is almost on par with last year, hopefully more direct sales next year will give our net profit a boost.

Elli · 12-05-2014, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Also, this thread is about paysites. Is that what you were sending emails on or was it AFF? Because if it's Adult Friend Finder then that's a completely different thing.

Emails are not a total waste of time I am learning, rather just another (important?) tool in your marketing toolbox. Of course, I do not even know how to use a hammer so I am fucked.

Yes, I was referring to my own site, which is a solo amateur paysite.

pornomatxxx · 12-05-2014, 09:32 AM

It works. Every year the same. Could be better.

The Porn Nerd · 12-05-2014, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sojproductions

We have a similar list to you, 35k from ex members the past few years. I don't use Ynot, I use phplist on my server so the setup is different but the situation is the same and I was in the same boat.

I have had a few shocking mailouts where we have had 1 sale per 10,000, but i've also had them as good as 1 sale for 250. When I first started, straight up 'click for a discount' emails did the trick, over time they just stopped working and cost us to send. So we went back to the drawing board and after a few hours of brainstorming me and my team had a list of ideas, some worked better than others, for example, our most successful mailout this year was a benefits and how to get the most out of the site guide email - listing all the download / stream options formats, how vids can be played on smart tvs, what interaction etc.

Other ideas included snippets of good reviews with links to the full review site so they can see it is honest. We also did a 'way back when' campaign and showed the progression of the material and quality across the years. We still do discounts, last week was black friday and was very successful but discounts are now much rarer.

It's not easy thinking of new ideas over and over, in fact its bloody hard but with a good idea we do find the rewards are still there.

Some great points here thank you!!

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Originally Posted by sojproductions

In response to the original post, 2014 has been ok, we have far less affiliate sales now than we ever had (40% of total sales down to around 15% now over the past 2 years), so total sales revenue is down around $100k, but direct 100% sales are way up so net total is almost on par with last year, hopefully more direct sales next year will give our net profit a boost.

This situation I see a lot as well - less affiliate sales, more direct sales. That's a sad situation when it comes to affiliates but, at the end of the day, if the profits are steady and revenue steady then this bodes well for your company's future. NOT for the future of affiliates tho.

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Originally Posted by Elli

Yes, I was referring to my own site, which is a solo amateur paysite.

Ah ok! Well, as stated, individual paysites with unique amateur models is still a good way to go with emails etc.

AmeliaG · 12-10-2014, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Elli

For my own site: I send a weekly email that consistently gets 20% "open" rates. It gets 4-8% "click" rates. Obviously that's not a huge money maker, but it keeps my brand front-of-mind for expired members and members-to-be, so I find the 30 minutes it takes to write it as time well spent. I don't think the value of email can be quantified only with sales numbers. Just my

What are you using to do this?

I use Phplist and SMTP.com. A bit of a hassle, but I found email much more effective some time back, so I'm unconvinced it is still worth the hassle.

The Porn Nerd · 12-11-2014, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

What are you using to do this?

I use Phplist and SMTP.com. A bit of a hassle, but I found email much more effective some time back, so I'm unconvinced it is still worth the hassle.

This is my thinking as well but I am open to some expert tweaking.

NemesisEnforcer · 12-11-2014, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

What are you using to do this?

I use Phplist and SMTP.com. A bit of a hassle, but I found email much more effective some time back, so I'm unconvinced it is still worth the hassle.

Yes, I also find that email is very effective.

AmeliaG · 12-11-2014, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

Yes, I also find that email is very effective.

What do you like to use for this?

NemesisEnforcer · 12-11-2014, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

What do you like to use for this?

I'm using PHPList as well as did the compliance, DNS, bulk mail guidelines, etc. stuff to ensure delivery. I can't say enough about email marketing. The message gets to the customer when I want it to rather than waiting for them to visit.

The Porn Nerd · 12-11-2014, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

I'm using PHPList as well as did the compliance, DNS, bulk mail guidelines, etc. stuff to ensure delivery. I can't say enough about email marketing. The message gets to the customer when I want it to rather than waiting for them to visit.

Yes but many in this thread and elsewhere are less high on email lists. So I think AmeliaG was asking for the secret(s) of your "success" and obvious satisfaction.

Maybe it all comes down to niches and which ones do the best with email marketing.

makeabuck · 12-11-2014, 12:37 PM

The more niche we get the more sales we make. That's a pattern I've noticed.

nikki99 · 12-11-2014, 12:44 PM

this year for me was better than ever since the crisis 2008

sinclair · 12-11-2014, 12:57 PM

Slow growth..painfully slow. But I will take growth, and am optimistic about signs of life from recent changes we put in play. Here's to a prosperous New Year for all!

Elli · 12-11-2014, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

What are you using to do this?

I use Phplist and SMTP.com. A bit of a hassle, but I found email much more effective some time back, so I'm unconvinced it is still worth the hassle.

I use PhpList and play with the settings quite a bit. I manually groom my bounces almost daily to make sure I'm not sending to ISPs that think I'm spammy and I play with the delay between messages a lot until I find what works. A few months ago I rewrote the template to be more mobile friendly, and just doing that increased my open rate by 4%.

Sid70 · 12-11-2014, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

As another year in the Adult Industry comes to an end it is time to reflect, and prepare year-end reports. What a wonderful (or horrific) opportunity to go through the year, month-by-month, and see whether you are making more sales now in December then you did in January.

Fun times? Or a sobering cocktail of disgust and confusion?

Perhaps your sales remained "steady" but not improving? What then? There are several ways to look at your stats but the most important thing to remember is the current state of the Adult Industry overall and factor that into your numbers. In other words, if your sales are "steady" then maybe that's really a triumph, especially if so many other companies are struggling or going out of business. Perhaps treading water is a kind of victory in itself?

Production is down, traffic is harder to get, Google keeps messing with their algorithms...where are we all headed for 2015? I feel things have stabilized somewhat but, as always, something will happen to shake things up in unexpected ways. So are you, as a Paysite Owner, hopeful for the future or concerned? I am, in fact, both and it's a weird feeling.

Have a great 2015 everyone.

Let the music play on!

With this said I saw a NatGeo's show recently where they hunt tunas down, a crew makes up to 200k for the season, assume it pays McDoalds rate after expenses, boat and equipment lease, insurance and so on... so just an alternative for the bravest here.

NemesisEnforcer · 12-11-2014, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Yes but many in this thread and elsewhere are less high on email lists. So I think AmeliaG was asking for the secret(s) of your "success" and obvious satisfaction.

Maybe it all comes down to niches and which ones do the best with email marketing.

No secret at all, someone previously mentioned test, test and test.

Yes, for me, I find that niches/interest works best. My lists are segmented by niche/interest as well as by gender. My buy rate is much higher by niche.

thecatwrites · 12-12-2014, 03:34 AM

Not a paysite owner but I would say competition definitely got stronger which I think is a good thing as everyone is working hard to make their service and product better.

AmeliaG · 12-29-2014, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by thecatwrites

Not a paysite owner but I would say competition definitely got stronger which I think is a good thing as everyone is working hard to make their service and product better.

I see a lot of sites cutting costs and not updating, rather than improving with fewer resources. Tons of companies and sites went out of business, so I'd think of that as a decrease in competition for those left standing. How are you thinking competition could be increasing?

fappingJack · 12-29-2014, 07:47 PM

Happy new year everyone! Goodluck on your sales nexr year

Relentless · 12-29-2014, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I see a lot of sites cutting costs and not updating, rather than improving with fewer resources. Tons of companies and sites went out of business, so I'd think of that as a decrease in competition for those left standing. How are you thinking competition could be increasing?

Number of competitors is definitely decreasing. However, the number of asshats without a clue trying to make a go of it is decreasing even faster. So in a way, competition is actually increasing, because the smaller group of people who are still in the pool are all pretty damn good swimmers. That gets back to Yanks Todd's point... turning competitors into your strategic partners will be an even more valuable move in 2015.

Happy New Year all...

Roald · 12-30-2014, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

Number of competitors is definitely decreasing. However, the number of asshats without a clue trying to make a go of it is decreasing even faster. So in a way, competition is actually increasing, because the smaller group of people who are still in the pool are all pretty damn good swimmers. That gets back to Yanks Todd's point... turning competitors into your strategic partners will be an even more valuable move in 2015.

Happy New Year all...

....

Roald · 12-30-2014, 01:23 AM

Oh and 2014 was a great year. Sales and revenue are both up to the level of where we were January 2012. At the beginning of 2014 I made a projection for the year and I am happy to see that we made the predictions in terms of numbers.

2015 will be an intersting year for sure.

Happy new year all!

disinfected · 12-30-2014, 01:42 AM

Making deals with the most unlikely people for sure.

This year's going to be on fire... I can't remember yesterday... let alone an entire year. 2015 is going to be my fucking year though... Cheers all... hope the best for your biz as well.

CaptainHowdy · 12-30-2014, 07:06 AM

I'm not a program owner but a lot of them haggling service providers for a few bucks so it's not a good sign ...

AmeliaG · 03-07-2019, 02:30 AM

This seems like an interesting thread to revisit. How was 2018?

celandina · 03-07-2019, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

This seems like an interesting thread to revisit. How was 2018?

Better then 2014

not as good as 2006

NemesisEnforcer · 03-07-2019, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

This seems like an interesting thread to revisit. How was 2018?

Short by 11% of our projected target but that was our fault. Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward.

loveinallitsforms69 · 02-26-2023, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

2007 was the 'golden age' of online porn. Maybe the waning days but still great. OH how I WISH I had started my crazy business just five years earlier. LOL

Hi. Yes, I think the core Golden Age of online porn was 2000-2005.
We went from 240 resolution to HD 720. Fun to watch the evolution.
Similarly, the extended Golden Age of 2000-2010.
By 2010, many sites offered Full HD 1080.
Brazzers had those amazing 12 Mbps videos.

And viewers actually bought the material! And could keep it!

And no trimming away of the supposedly PC sketchy stuff yet.

GirlsGoneGyno · 03-26-2023, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by loveinallitsforms69

Hi. Yes, I think the core Golden Age of online porn was 2000-2005.
We went from 240 resolution to HD 720. Fun to watch the evolution.
Similarly, the extended Golden Age of 2000-2010.
By 2010, many sites offered Full HD 1080.
Brazzers had those amazing 12 Mbps videos.

And viewers actually bought the material! And could keep it!

And no trimming away of the supposedly PC sketchy stuff yet.

Yeah I miss the old days before porn started to become PC...

12-04-2014, 10:14 PM	#54
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12-05-2014, 02:55 AM	#56
sojproductions Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,160	In response to the original post, 2014 has been ok, we have far less affiliate sales now than we ever had (40% of total sales down to around 15% now over the past 2 years), so total sales revenue is down around $100k, but direct 100% sales are way up so net total is almost on par with last year, hopefully more direct sales next year will give our net profit a boost. __________________ ICQ: 404-159-022 Blue Pixels Profits - Uk Solo Tranny sites & Crossdressing! Filthy Profits - Uk MILF Solo Sites

12-11-2014, 12:44 PM	#67
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12-11-2014, 12:57 PM	#68
sinclair Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,431	Slow growth..painfully slow. But I will take growth, and am optimistic about signs of life from recent changes we put in play. Here's to a prosperous New Year for all! __________________ -- skype:vmgsinclair "Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human sex."

12-30-2014, 01:23 AM	#77
Roald SecretFriends.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: IMC Headquarters Posts: 27,880	Oh and 2014 was a great year. Sales and revenue are both up to the level of where we were January 2012. At the beginning of 2014 I made a projection for the year and I am happy to see that we made the predictions in terms of numbers. 2015 will be an intersting year for sure. Happy new year all! __________________ WE ARE BUYING PAY SITES! CONTACT ME ClubSweethearts \| ManUpFilms \| SinfulXXX \| HOT * AdultPrime * HOT Paying webmasters since 1996! Contact: r.riepen @ sansylgroup.com \| skype:roaldr \| icq:

12-05-2014, 09:32 AM	#58
pornomatxxx Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 38	It works. Every year the same. Could be better.

12-11-2014, 12:37 PM	#66
makeabuck Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 629	The more niche we get the more sales we make. That's a pattern I've noticed.

12-12-2014, 03:34 AM	#72
thecatwrites Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 418	Not a paysite owner but I would say competition definitely got stronger which I think is a good thing as everyone is working hard to make their service and product better.

12-29-2014, 07:47 PM	#74
fappingJack So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: somewhere down the road Posts: 2,172	Happy new year everyone! Goodluck on your sales nexr year

12-30-2014, 01:42 AM	#78
disinfected So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 332	Making deals with the most unlikely people for sure. This year's going to be on fire... I can't remember yesterday... let alone an entire year. 2015 is going to be my fucking year though... Cheers all... hope the best for your biz as well.

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