That's pretty much what I got out of it. But that doesn't square real well with the interview he gave back at the beginning of this mess.

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So from what I read in the letters he wrote he is saying that it is all pretty much bullshit, made up stuff. But in the interview he sounds pretty clear that at least that part really happened.

What a fucking mess.

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Great quote if it's yours 'The innocent deny. Liars explain'. I think this is pretty true and you see it with criminals and even little kids. Over answering when accused is a pretty good tell that somebody is guilty of something. But if I was accused of some serious crime that I knew I was innocent of of course my first reaction would be 'Oh my god, this is crazy, I did not do this!' Then I would feel the need to explain how it was that I couldn't have done the crime.

I read a book a while back where a journalist spend a full year in a Baltimore homicide division and followed the detectives on their cases. One of them explained to him that for the most part someone who is innocent and is arrested freaks out when they get in the interrogation room because they are innocent and are shitting themselves about being accused of something they didn't do. Meanwhile, a guilty person is usually calm and has an explanation for everything.

Not mine. I am not sure where I heard it. But it springs to mind often as I watch someone give me a long winded explanation as to their innocence.

I would look at it more like Kane is saying. You'd eventually be trying to explain how it wasn't you... but how would you do it? You wouldn't have anything more than a few short answers. "I was at XZY watching the game... if you don't believe me, you can call them". You wouldn't have much more than that. When people are lying, they take things many many many times further and the answer is almost never "uh... i have absolutely no clue, how could i possibly know that?"

I forgot about that, he is such a sociopath. I said it at the time he gave that interview, no accused should be speaking to anybody but their lawyer, but he is under the delusion that he is smarter than everybody else and can defend himself masterfully. If he had kept his mouth shut, not been interviewed, and now not replied to Johnny Loads, his concocted story of the captain's daughter fabricating stories because she was mad at her father may have been believable to some, but now has a giant gaping hole in it - Donny backing up her story that the father was a creep who wanted to watch his own daughter have sex with Donny. And as I asked back then, when a friend of yours asks you to have sex with his underage daughter isn't the first thing you do IF you're a person who cares about the welfare of children is going to the authorities?

I don't doubt these girls are fucked up and capable of what his letter claims - look at the cretins who've raised them.

Incredible, he voluntarily ruined his own defense. His defense as laid out in his letter to Johnny Loads is that his own 'daughter' simply patterned her false accusation against him after her friend successfully blackmailed her father the sheriff's captain with a story. But Donny will of course say that in McElfresh's case the daughter's story is believable but in his own case absolutely not.

This whole thing would be more delicious if Donny's story was close to the truth.

I love the part in the letter where he includes that he and McElfresh had discussions, as concerned parents LOL, about the effects of marijuana on the still developing brains of adolescents. This is of course him already building himself a case of plausible denial, imagining that one day if these girls narc him and McElfresh out that they can rely on studies on marijuana and the teenaged brain to discredit the girls.

Somebody has to be writing a movie of this.

My favourite part of the letter was him talking about how close he is to AaronM and Baddog, and how AaronM wishes he'd have accepted his Skype call

Interesting stuff.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't he once say that McElfresh asked him to have sex with his daughter while he watched and Donny turned him down? Not it sounds like he is saying that never really happened, but McElfresh's daughter was threatening to say it did.

Donny can try to spin this any way he wants. He tries to play this off as if it's one victim. It seems there are two victims, PLUS an entire second case being filled against him with multiple other victims.

Yes that's what Sarrettah pointed out - this is what happens when you lie a lot, you forget exactly what you've lied about before and your new lies inevitably contradict the old lies ending up with nobody, other than your mother possibly, having any reason to believe anything you say.

Donny told the TV reporter unequivocally that McElfresh asked him to have sex with McElfresh's daughter in front of him. Now here he is today saying that McElfresh's daughter 'claimed' that her father had Donny have sex with her in front of him.

Now that I read it again I can foresee what Donny's rebuttal to this will be, he will maintain that the daughter's claim that Donny had sex with her is a lie, which lets him stick to the story that the father did ask him to have sex with her but he refused. He uses the word 'claim', implying she was telling a lie, only with respect to him having sex with the girl, not that there wasn't a proposition made to him by the father.

So riddle me this - how in the world after Donny rejects the idea of fucking the daughter does the daughter come up with this same exact scenario to tell the police? There's only two reasonable possibilities -

1) the captain told her he wanted to watch her have sex with Donny before asking Donny, she was up for it, but Donny rejected the offer

OR

2) she's not lying, she did have sex with Donny while the father watched and masturbated

"When he (the bf) finally got out of jail, she took him to talk to her dad. He (the bf) recorded a conversation where she claimed several threatening things, including the claim that he (the captain/dad) had me have sex with her while he (the captain/dad) watched and masturbated.She definitely slept with a lot of people while her boyfriend was in jail, but I was not one of them. However, Captain McElfresh was petrified of being accused of such charges so he gave her what she wanted and let her and her boyfriend do whatever they wished."


I believe it's the second but with the trash involved in this story who knows. McElfresh is guilty, both the daughter and Donny have fingered him as the orchestrator of at minimum the proposition that Donny have sex with his 16 year old daughter in front of him.

'The innocent deny. Liars explain'. that sums it up for sure....

He's getting exactly what he wants, being talked about on GFY.

could Donnys version be the truth? Why not.

it would demonstrate an insane amount of naivety though

but the real irony here is that one religious maniac is eventually thrown under the bus by two other religious maniacs - and all that in a civilized western society

^^^^^^^ And never underestimate the persuasive power of the penis.

have no idea what the motive would be for the second victim - the sheriff's daughter i assume - to accuse him of things that lead to charges like "four counts of having sex with a minor; one count of having sex with a minor while employed as a public official; one count of oral copulation with a minor; one count of first-degree burglary; one count of meeting a minor with sexual intent; and one count of molesting a minor."

i might have missed it, but was that explained?

innocent bill clinton, because he's denying, not explaining.





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Could Donny's version be the truth? Of course. Anything is possible. It's entirely possible that eight minors could all be telling lies about having a sexual relationship with Donny. Possible, but highly unlikely.

Generally speaking the American public seems to think our law enforcement is utterly stupid and incapable. I think Donny believes this also. However, I think nothing could be further from the truth. Even more so with today's technology - every phone call he ever made will be tracked, every text and message will be read; Every photo he ever uploaded will be looked at. That is going to be a massive amount of evidence.

where did you take that number from?

so far there is his "daughter" and her friend, the sheriffs daughter...

there is another article which states 8 more girls are being interviewed / investigated.

well - that is not the same as 8 more girls that accused him?

i see it this way:

if he did it - lock him away

but the way information gets screwed here on GFY alone - and how someone is considered guilty before there was even a trial - makes me shudder when i think that someone might really be innocent and end up in a situation like this.

and i don't need to type 1000 word psychological evaluations to come to the conclusion that no one here knows what really happened and that no one here is in the position to pass a judgement.

and ps: i really despise Donnys religious bullcrap but once again - if he's guilty or not no one here knows.

You are in danger of being kicked off the bandwagon with talk like that. :2 cents:

That is from the first case.

There is a second case pending that involves six other minors from another county. We believe this is from the original case where Donny was arrested a few years back.

The only people that really know for certain what happened are Donny and the others actually involved in the case.

Could Donny's version of the story be correct? Anything is possible. The problem is that he continues to talk and now his statements seem to be contradicting themselves. You would think his lawyer would tell him to shut up and not talk to anyone, but Donny seems ready and willing to talk to anyone that will listen. If he is inconsistent in what he says that likely will come back to bite him in the ass.

I still have a feeling we will never know exactly what went down. I think once the actual trial arrives and Donny realizes how much jail time he faces if he loses he will cut a deal. But maybe not.

No, no one knows if Donny is innocent or guilty. Only Donny really knows. Eventually it will be decided by trial.

But at a certain point in time the evidence is just overwhelming. We have multiple victims in two different areas with no connection to each other that are telling the same exact story.

My guess is Donny is guilty as sin. I'm just reporting on the news. I can't wait for the trail really.

Donny also had a hearing on Friday.

Pornographer-turned-pastor Donny Pauling Jr. and Sutter County sheriff's Capt. Lewis McElfresh Jr., both charged with child sex crimes, made brief appearances in separate courtrooms on Friday.

McElfresh, 57, is accused of watching Pauling have sex with a minor. He appeared in Sutter County Superior Court, but the hearings were continued. He has yet to enter a plea.

His attorney, Jesse Santana, filed a motion to oppose the district attorney's attempts to subpoena medical records for the minor. The hearing and arraignment are scheduled for March 6.

Pauling is accused of unlawful sex with two minors.

He appeared in court briefly, but his court hearing was continued and reset for March 13.
District Attorney Amanda Hopper applied for and received a criminal protective order barring Pauling from contacting the minor involved in both cases.

Hopper said the request was a response to "Facebook contact."

"we believe" - i rest in my case

This is life right? You see a girl at 2am that looks like a hooker, dressed like a hooker, talking like a hooker, walks like a hooker and is approaching cars like a hooker... you don't need to see $50.00 change hands and witness the blow job in the dark alley to by 99% certain as to what is going on when you see her get into the car and watch it drive away.

What is a trial? Its nothing more than present those similar facts.

i am happy you guys have figured all out - and even more happy that you guys chose to do porn for a living and not decided to become judges

My response was perfectly reasonable. People aren't just making something up out of thin air and randomly judging him for no reason. There is a massive amount of information about him to base opinions on. In addition to all the facts of the case, the charges, multiple people coming forward (8 victims now??), his own partial admission to being invited to being a party sexual assault on a minor and then making up a whole new version, his creepy videos of him frolicking with underage girls and so on,... there are other facts. There is Donny... the guy is a known liar and lunatic. he's imploded here many times. He's had a few full blown emotional meltdowns here showing his true personality (mental issues). He's fully admitted BEFORE the fact that he was going to stage an elaborate ruse to pretend to "be saved" by God, find religion and then bilk religious people out of their money by becoming a public speaker, speaking out against pornographers and pornography and the list goes on and on and on... then he actually fucking did it. Only a really sick person would announce it and then do it. A more healthy minded individual would understand the need to keep that intention and master plan quiet... and not create a public record and document a con on a public forum. But he's a very sick and clearly mentally ill person. At what point do you say "something is seriously wrong with this person and he's a habitual liar and serial manipulator and quite capable of anything and cannot be believed in anything he says"?

And if you can't deny the above facts... then why is it hard to believe he molested a bunch of young girls after all of the other manipulative, exploitative and predatory things he's done, when the facts are presented?

LOL. This is why I am not a judge.

I just believe where there is smoke there is fire, and here we have lots of smoke - in two different counties. I can see one or two people making up lies to get someone in trouble, but local law enforcement would see through this quickly.

On top of this, what we are seeing right now is only the tip of the ice burg. We only know a handful of facts. All we know is what the DA is telling the judge in hearings, which are nothing more than short and basic arguments. The DA is talking about Donny buying these girls lingerie and him uploading pictures to reddit.

What little we have at this point screams he is guilty - and I am guessing we don't know one tenth of what the DA will present in trial.

I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Donny takes a plea bargin.

it is not about whether I (or you) believe it or not, it is up to a court to believe it or not

it says "innocent until proven guilty", not "innocent until The Squealer on GFY decided guilty"

as far as i know at least.

and in case you noticed my previous post: i said IF guilty then lock him away.

but i do not posses your superior wisdom to skip trial and sentence him based on newspaper reports and GFY posting history

I cannot say he is guilty to the charges filed against him or that they will be successfully proven in court. I don't recall ever saying that. I was just challenging your challenging of peoples opinions and judgement and their right to either. The Criminal Justice system says "innocent until proven guilty". Not GFY forum rules. And that fact, doesn't mean people aren't entitled to opinions or to make judgements when hearing all or some of the evidence... and no one is suggesting he's not entitled to a fair trial. When a serial killer like Jeffrey Dahmer is arrested with 1/2 eaten body parts in his refrigerator, eye witness accounts and so on, you're entitled to make some assumptions and have some opinions. It's not fair to pretend people aren't entitled to or to pretend they're somehow acting irrationally for having an opinion.

The other side of "innocent until proven guilty" is that people that actually committed the crime go free all the time, often on a silly technicality regarding the chain of evidence or simple procedural issues. That doesn't mean they didn't do it. The US criminal justice system as with those is most developed countries is heavily weighted towards the benefit of the accused, not the accuser.

Also, "guilty" in the US criminal justice system means "proven beyond a reasonable doubt"... not "proven 100% to be unassailable and incontrovertible fact". Basically, a guilty verdict is an opinion rendered after hearing the evidence and arguments of both sides. The verdict is just the opinions of jurors. We also see evidence, we also see his behavior and his actions and we also have opinions about Donny and his capacity for doing what he's accused of.

then i guess we can agree that you made up your mind while I'll wait what the court says.

I haven't said he was guilty. I've said its 100% who he is and who he has presented himself as on this forum. There is a massive pile of evidence on this forum and elsewhere that suggests he is perfectly capable of doing what he is accused of. It's not like he's a dirt poor pediatric cancer researcher, donating all his income and who has devoted his life to helping and healing others. He's a self confessed, manipulative predator. He's made that very clear on this very forum, in his speaking career and in his dealings with webmasters here.

His past behavior, his immediate TV interview after his arrest, his glib and flippant attitude after a life ending arrest, his complete and total lack of any sort of remorse, his manipulation of others, his attempt to take everyone down around him, his blaming of every other person involved, his predatory behavior, his changing stories both in writing or a TV interview, his many page reply and its content and even the very fact that he responded in writing, which will obviously become evidence against him - a fact which doesn't seem to concern him in the least, also suggests a high degree of psychopathy on his part.

Can i say he is "guilty" of the charges? Obviously not. Would i allow him in my life or around my children? FUCK NO! You would, I guess... after all, being the superior human being, there'll be no judgements from you ;)

well - that was not the point of discussion and nothing but a cheap shot

guess we'll leave it at that

Of course. And you sarcastically saying that "in your uperior wisdom, you'd skip a trial" wasn't?. What an easy way sidestep every point made.

You guys, stop talking about the crimes.

Donny probably wants us to talk about how he has lost 20 lbs. He's down to 485 lbs.

Donny's not worth the last posts ..........


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I bet baddog would judging by his posts in this thread


Hey baddog.. I wonder what bikers think of child molesters.. He may not legally convicted, but it's pretty obvious he's guilty. The bikers whos bikes you wash every weekend in your tight jean shorts.. would they be okay with you being friends with someone like that?

Are they cutoff jean shorts?

I bet baddog can rock a pair of cutoffs.

Almost as well as Joe Biden.

Donny ripped me of for 5K just before he met JC...did the same exact thing when I called him on at the board.... wall of text explaining..... I got the same thing from GFY "well there is no proof, we don't know who's telling the truth blah blah blah..." I did the funds back eventually but he never paid the others he owed :2 cents:

I believe it is.

I believe it all needs to be said over and over and over again.

"This is exactly what 'crazy' looks like".
"This is how 'crazy' masks itself".
"This is how 'crazy' hides in plain sight".
"This is exactly how 'crazy' acts".
"This is exactly how 'crazy' hurts others".
"This is exactly how 'crazy' can eventually hurt you and why you won't likely even see it coming".

I believe it's important to recognize "crazy" and call it what it is.

It is peoples failure to identify and call these behaviors out that hurts people as well. Not doing so, is what allows someone like Donny to exploit, manipulate, take advantage of and flat out lie to and abuse others... and to DO IT ALL in plain site. And even more perversely, to do it with others defending him in the process in spite of a massive mountain of evidence that shows he's got serious mental issues and that he's exactly what he is.

Among other things, he came here and said to all "i'm going to lie to and fuck people over in a con that only a seriously disturbed person could pull off. A person without a conscience. A person without any capacity at all for shame, or guilt or remorse or empathy for those I lie to. I'm going to lie for a living." and he said "Here is exactly how i am going to do it... and i'm going to do it as I try to destroy YOU in the process".

Then he did it.

Practically no one raised an eyebrow.

He continued to manipulate.
He continued to exploit.
He continued to hurt.
He lied to and abused and took advantage of people right in front of everyone.

He said in advance that he was going to do it... then he did it.

He was on his way to becoming a pastor. Why? I would suggest given his behavior, that it was to make the ruse more believable. To command greater speaking fees. To give himself more credibility as he continues his con. That's what predators like him do. It was an attempt by a sick con artist to put himself beyond reproach in the eyes of the people he was conning.

As to his guilt of each of the current XX and ever increasing number of charges he's facing... I don't know. That will be argued in court, but I don't think you need a crystal ball to see that he's a troubled person that is now going away for a long time.

Is he clearly a dangerous person?
Yes. Of course.
He is a very dangerous person.

These people go through their lives with the singular purpose of leaving a wake of pain and suffering and shattered lives.

Amazing .... :2 cents:

Donny is innocent until proven guilty. However, he shouldn't consider dropping the soap until that has been decided.

Interesting article just turned up in my feed....

AP EXCLUSIVE: MANY SEX OFFENDERS KILLED IN CALIFORNIA PRISON

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Shortly after 2 a.m. on April 6, 2010, a guard at Salinas Valley State Prison noticed Alan Ager's cellmate trying to stuff something under a mattress. It was Ager, blood trickling from his mouth and a cloth noose tied around his neck.

The convicted child molester died 10 days later without regaining consciousness, his death earning his cellmate a second life sentence.

California state prisoners are killed at a rate that is double the national average - and sex offenders like Ager account for a disproportionate number of victims, according to an Associated Press analysis of corrections records.

For his sake I hope he is innocent.

News from The Associated Press

My girl had one go down two weeks back, where she works. Got beaten to death by two guys who knew what he'd be previously convicted for.

1200 It wasn't me

Did you also believe OJ was innocent?

I know what you are trying to say but when somebody finds himself in that situation once, then again three years later, and again with another girl people are allowed to start finding it strange and form their own opinion :2 cents: