EddyTheDog

Hillary Clinton declares 2016 Democratic presidential bid - BBC News

If Jeb decides to go for it as well...

Deja Vu anyone?....

MaDalton

looking forward to the GOP freak show..

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mineistaken

looking forward to leftard freak show..

dyna mo

Not looking forward to the freak show..

EddyTheDog

Same - However, as a stats nut I love that side of it...

dyna mo

i hear ya, there are some pretty wild statistics already associated with the 2016 election. from that angle it is extremely fascinating.

2MuchMark

If Jeb is the nominee, Hillary will have a tough fight. If anyone else ends up being the rep nonimee, Hillary will waltz right.

Ah, what am I saying? Hillary will win no matter what. Even republicans know that republicans are a joke now. "Vote for me..... abortion is evil... gays are evil....alternative energy is evil.... global warming is fake... buy more guns.... Benghazi...praise-a jeee-zuz!"

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MiamiBoyz

Fuck them both!

pornmasta

kennedy !

bronco67

Seriously. We should put all the people who would vote for those things in Texas and build 100 ft walls around it, let them all open carry fully automatic weapons and let nature take its course.

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mineistaken

Funny how leftards emphasize least important things when most important thing when voting is economical views. Quality encouraging (you get what you deserve/earn) right view or welfare (rip of the rich, "redistribute" to poor) encouraging left view.
Seriously, you must be fucked in the head if you decide what to vote based on an "important" thing such as abortion or gays...

EddyTheDog

You are 'Fucked In The Head' if you think there is more to life than money?..

That's pretty sad.....

mineistaken

Of course there is. My point is that when you vote for government you are primarily voting for the ones who would lead a country, and that is mainly about growing the economy, providing jobs (=food for peoples families) etc etc.

oppoten

There will probably be successive generations of Clinton vs Bush

And them...

Rochard

Jeb is in. He's been spending the past year positioning himself for a run.

I don't see this as working. Jeb is a former Governor of Florida and for most of us he has zero track record. For most Americans all they know about him is that he was Governor and related to the other Bushes - the one that killed our economy.

Hillary on the other hand has a long, detailed, and very public history. More importantly, the majority of Americans know her history. We saw her as first lady when Bill was in the White House, then Senator, then Secretary of State. She's spent the past ten years working towards this moment today. She's also made out of teflon - No matter how the Republicans try to pin Benghazi on her, nothing was done wrong (no matter how many investigations they have). This email thing is silly too.

I think it's going to be Hillary in the White House. I'm disappointed; I never liked her.

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Rochard

This is what kills me about politics - people pick one side or the other, and vote however that party tells them how to vote. You vote for the right person, not that right party.

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dyna mo

hillary couldn't beat BO in the demotard primary, BO couldn't beat romney in the president's race without the black popular vote. most Americans do not approve of BO and even more Americans are dissatisfied with the status-quo paralysis inside the beltway and want change. Hillary has spent the last several years of her political career attending to BO's failed foreign policy.

combined with history being against her, her permanently deleting emails, her ties to Wall Street, etc, et al, on&on, and more = hillary loses.

Joshua G

how fast you forget she couldnt even beat a junior senator from chicago with no record. but of course she will breeze to the white house. LOL.

actually the lack of competition, & her nonstop attentionwhoring going on 3 straight years might sink her ass from a lack of excitement behind her campaign. everybody has known who she is for 23 years. just like 2008 her smug sense of entitlement will cause her to miscalculate, lending to a close race.

PS - Jeb is nearly a lock. & he has the record on immigration to beat hillary with latinos. he can speak spanish, she cant.

crockett

Oh that's not even true.. It wasn't even close between BO & Romney. They only tried to make it "seem" close so lazy people would still go vote.

The Electoral vote Obama 332 Romney 206 That was an ass stomping..

kane

There are millions and millions of voters who will vote based on one thing and that one thing will have nothing to do with economy or jobs.

I remember seeing an interview during the Obama/McCain election with a couple from Ohio. They were asked who they thought would be the better president and both agreed that Obama was the better option and likely would be the better president. When asked if they would be voting for Obama they replied, "No, we can't vote for anyone who is pro-choice."

Millions will vote based on abortion, guns, religion, race, gender, gay marriage ect.

I predict the republicans will double down on the culture war this election. They likely can't win over young people and minorities so they will need to make certain they get every single one of their base voters out and there is no better way to do that than to try to convince them that the liberals will take their guns then once they are unarmed they will rape their daughters then force them to have abortions that are carried out by a man who is married to another man.

dyna mo

Are you not aware of the popular vote? You might want to google it and educate yourself on it, because I specifically stated popular vote. And the fact is the electoral college aligns with the popular vote unless there is a serious issue.

And "they" skewed the data to make it appear close to rally more votes? Lolz.

ManPuppy

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Biden still hasn't decided whether he's running.

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Only in America....

crockett

It was 51% to 47% with only 58% of eligible voters voting. That wasn't even really that close and the right has a much higher turn out percentage than the left. Meaning had more eligible voters showed up it would have been skewed even further in Obama's favor and this was in a "re-election" not even the first ass stomping he gave McCain well after his "fresh appeal" had worn off. The right was very motivated to show up at the polls to oust Obama, the left wasn't as motivated and he still won by a very large margin.

bronco67

Jeb Bush says he's his own man, but 19 out of 21 of the people on his team are former associates of....guess who.

Jeb Bush’s foreign policy team is eerily familiar, in one Venn diagram - The Washington Post

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crockett

Jeb Bush = just another neo-con whom will be a war monger, because he will surround himself with the same ass-hats whom have been running the republican show since Reagan.

dyna mo

You've gone on a tangent from my point. And you are completely discounting the black voter turnout.

Again, and back to my original point, Hillary lost to BO who only beat Romney in the popular vote by a few per entages and that's primarily due to black voters. The same republitards who voted against BO will also be voting against Hillary. If she even gets the nod. She was the shoein before and lost to BO.

directfiesta

obviously, you are missing the big picture here .... which is all those debated by a dozen or so republicans on a stage ... going more crazy to the right to please the so-called basis ...

bronco67

if there's going to be any Republican elected, I'd hope it's Rand Paul, but only because he seems to want to stay out of the business of policing the world.

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kane

To be fair it was all around minority voters and young voters.

If we go back to 2004 John Kerry got 88% of the black vote while Bush got 11%.
Kerry got 53% of Hispanic voters and Bush got 44%.
Kerry got 56% of voters age 18-29. Bush got 43%

Now we jump forward to 2012.

Obama got 93% of black vote. Romney got 6%
Obama got 71% of the Hispanic vote. Romney got 27%
Obama got 60% of the 18-29 vote and Romney got 37%

In all three of those areas Romney did worse, in some cases much worse, than did Bush.

That's the difference in the election. Most of the other major categories of these two elections look very similar.

So it wasn't just black people that put Obama in office. It was minorities in general and young voters. Both of those demographics will be larger in 2016 than they were in 2012. Whoever can win those demographics over likely will win the white house.

Sly

Biden and Kerry.

For the?

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Axeman

As with all elections, it comes down to the swing states. Romney didn't inspire the base, and they stayed home. He got 81k fewer votes in Ohio than even McCain did.

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Horatio Caine

Final score Clinton 432 - Bush 106

EddyTheDog

Really? - I thought you swung more to the right?..

dyna mo

numbers don't lie. going on the numbers you cite, specifically Bush garnering more of the minority vote than Romney suggests that those votes can and will be gained back by Jeb Bush.

But i certainly recall reading that BO increased black voter enthusiasm and consequently, black voter turnout. I would figure those people are not going to be at all excited about Hillary. Heck, even BO won't say anything too positive re: Hillary right now. She has a very tough road to ho.

kane

Average African American voter turnout in the two election prior to 2008 was around 58% (right in line with the general nationwide average) those numbers increased to 60% and then 62% in 2008 and 2012 respectively. So, yes, Obama did increase the number of black voters that turned out. But that is nationwide. How many of those people lived in states that were actually battleground states?

I don't doubt that it had an impact. I am simply saying there is a lot more to it.

Hillary will get the black vote. Every democrat can count on that. Every democrat gets at least 84-90% of the black vote without even courting them. Bush spoke Spanish and actively courted the Hispanic voters and he had a history of having Hispanics on his cabinet and in positions of power when he was Governor or Texas. You can say a lot about Bush, but he wasn't a racist and didn't come off like one in the least and that helped him.

Things have changed in the last two election cycles. The democrats are actively trying to bring about immigration reform knowing that if they can pull it off it will guarantee them the Hispanic vote for decades to come. Republicans are having to walk a tightrope. They too want those voters, but their base is very much against most immigration reform.

Can Jeb get more Hispanic voters and young voters? Anything is possible. Jeb also speaks Spanish and his wife was born in Mexico. In Florida he did well with Hispanic and young voters when he was running for Governor. To me here is the big question. If it comes down to Hillary V. Bush the big fight will be for those votes. Bill Clinton won Hispanic voters in a landslide. Young people seem to like Hillary and the Clintons in general. So there will be a big fight for these votes. Can Jeb do what it takes to pull them from Hillary while not pissing off his base. Without the base he can't win. Without the minorities and young voters he can't win (the same goes for Hillary) the contest could be determined by who walks that tightrope better. Hillary likely has the advantage because she can push for big immigration reforms and not piss off her base.

Of course Hillary also has the problem of getting her base to the polls. The liberals are notorious for staying home on election day.

Axeman

Hillary or the Dem candidate will win 85-90% of the A.A vote, but what will the turnout be. Obama levels, or back to normal levels? Less turnout, and less % of that vote, could be important here.

According to Census.gov, the following number of votes were cast by A.A's rounded.

2000 - 12,917,000
2004 - 14,016,000
2008 - 16,133,000
2012 - 17,813,000 (record level of 66.2% of the eligible voters)

So you have about 3 million or so voters that may or may not vote in an normal election. Plus its unlikely Hillary is able to get 93-97% of that vote like Obama did.

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Axeman

Oh and Bloomberg did a poll this week that found that 42% of independent an republicans would never ever vote for Bush. He has an extremely hard road to the Republican nomination.

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EddyTheDog

Hillary Clinton: 'I'm running for president' - BBC News

That's the announcement video - It's slick - Looks a a bit strange to us Brits, but OK - I still like her...

dyna mo

i would not be surprised if that NY TImes piece revealing Jeb Bush counted himself hispanic on his voter id card wasn't a story planted by his camp to spread the word that he is pro-hispanic.

dyna mo

that's substantial, ~5-6% of the vote for BO

Vendzilla

The Hillary Machine has been spending their time since 2008 getting ready for this, the amount of money they will be collecting will be staggering. Readyforhillary.com alone has been collecting donors that will out spend anything the Republicans have. Idiots on this forum that keep bitching about the Koch Brothers should know they are nothing compared to the unions that give to the democratic machine. This time around the Democrats are just more organized this time around. I'm getting involved myself. Tell you about it soon!

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clinton v bush II: the straight to dvd sequel

dyna mo

don't forget Wall Street! The Clinton's campaign donation rolodex is full of hotshots at big banks. some of whom are not very upstanding citizens either.

EliteWebmaster

Personally myself, I would sleep better at night knowing a "war monger" president like Jeb in the white house rather than a pacifist Hillary. Our country has been seen as being weak since the Democrats and Obama took office. That gave rise to terrorists like ISIS being more brazen and scumbag China has become more of a bully and defying us more and more in recent years.

We need a "war monger" president again. The world will be a safer place as well.

kane

You don't think having a "war monger" in office who invades a country that did not attack us thus sending that country (Iraq) spiraling into chaos and unrest and bringing about large scale unrest in the entire Middle East had nothing to do with ISIS forming?

Horatio Caine

Why? because I value and tolerate other people's opinions and refuse to be narrow minded idiot and pick one side just because it fits my personal beliefs? Like those who call themselves Pro-file and automatically vote republican regardless of 1000's of other issues they might not agree with.

ManPuppy

My thoughts exactly. I'd bet anything there will be a decrease in black turnout. However, don't you think it would be mitigated by an increase (and probable landslide) in women voters' turnout?

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GregE

Pacifist?

Are you kidding??

If Hillary had her way, we'd be knee deep in the Syrian civil war by now. Worse still, we'd have only discovered that we were fighting on the same side as ISIS after it was too late.

Having said that, McCain called for the same and in all likelihood had Romney won the last election he would have done the deed too. He was certainly making public pronouncements to that effect last fall.

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GregE

Bush - Clinton

24 years after this first family match up, this is the best we can come up with? Really??

It doesn't get more pathetic than this

Problem is, aside from Christie (who's mired in scandal), Bush is the only sane contender that the Republicans have.

As for the Democrats.. 2016 is more about a coronation than a primary.

Beyond sad. Way, waaay beyond sad.

Given this all but certain anemic choice come election day, I'll nonetheless vote against the party that literally revels in demonizing the unemployed.

Your mileage may vary.

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