Porn talents' rates are kinda funny, racially

[ReggieDurango]

White women make the most, White men make the least. Black Men make more than white men. White women make more than black women. Black women make more than black men, usually, but sometimes not so!

I just don't get it.

[mineistaken]

what's not to get?

[ReggieDurango]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

what's not to get?

Why do black men sometimes make more than black women?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango

Why do black men sometimes make more than black women?

Because lower end of black female pay range overlap with higher end of black male pay range.

[SilentKnight]

We're workin' on an algorithm to explain it all.

Might need crowdfunding for Windex, though.

[pornmasta]

that's wacist

[NaughtyRob]

Black women are plentiful and will work cheap in my experience.

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango

Why do black men sometimes make more than black women?

[faxxaff]

Maybe BVF can spread some insight on payment to his talent pool?

[LeRoy]

I worked with a guy who was getting 50.00 BJ's from "decent" black chicks all day long.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by LeRoy

I worked with a guy who was getting 50.00 BJ's from "decent" black chicks all day long.

Escorts (not on film)? If so, that is not that cheap, more like a normal rate for just BJ.

[CPA-Rush]

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango

White women make the most, White men make the least. Black Men make more than white men. White women make more than black women. Black women make more than black men, usually, but sometimes not so!

I just don't get it.

why ?

1.white women
2.black women
3.black men
4.white men

[2MuchMark]

Niches maybe?

[CaptainHowdy]

That's why they call them rates ...

[nikki99]

what about a black tranny

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by nikki99

what about a black tranny

[ReggieDurango]

Originally Posted by CPA-Rush

why ?

1.white women
2.black women
3.black men
4.white men

Why what? And yes, you illustrated the rankings well and succinctly.

[ilnjscb]

1. Japanese Women

[amvcdotcom]

how does the pay/ranking change for gay?

[Robbie]

Talent are paid by the worth of the content.

Interracial content is a HUGE seller. Black girls being fucked, on the other hand, is not as big compared to interracial.

Both black men and white men fantasize about white women in far more numbers than they do about Black girls or Hispanic or Asian girls. It's just the way it is.

So if you spend money shooting a scene with a white girl...you are going to make a lot more money than you will shooting another race.

Same with the black guys. An interracial scene with a black guy fucking a white girl will blow away the money made of a white guy fucking a black girl.

It's just the way that human sexuality is. Black guys fucking white women is considered "taboo" and wild. Hell, black guys fucking Asian and Hispanic women is too.
White guys fucking them...not so much. Black girls getting fucked...not so much.

Now in "real life"...that isn't true. Hot black women are very desirable and sexy. But on film...it just doesn't have as big an audience as other races for some reason.

Maybe men's cocks worldwide are "racist"? lol

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango

White women make the most, White men make the least. Black Men make more than white men.

Is that even legal?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Talent are paid by the worth of the content.

Interracial content is a HUGE seller. Black girls being fucked, on the other hand, is not as big compared to interracial.

Both black men and white men fantasize about white women in far more numbers than they do about Black girls or Hispanic or Asian girls. It's just the way it is.

So if you spend money shooting a scene with a white girl...you are going to make a lot more money than you will shooting another race.

Same with the black guys. An interracial scene with a black guy fucking a white girl will blow away the money made of a white guy fucking a black girl.

It's just the way that human sexuality is. Black guys fucking white women is considered "taboo" and wild. Hell, black guys fucking Asian and Hispanic women is too.
White guys fucking them...not so much. Black girls getting fucked...not so much.

Now in "real life"...that isn't true. Hot black women are very desirable and sexy. But on film...it just doesn't have as big an audience as other races for some reason.

Maybe men's cocks worldwide are "racist"? lol

Try this :

1. Minorities earn less in everything

2. Surfers want big cocks in porn

End.

[Mickey_]

Aren't you a producer?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Try this :

1. Minorities earn less in everything

2. Surfers want big cocks in porn

End.

1. Tell that to the NBA & the "music" industry.

2. Yep, like I said that talent's worth is in how much their scenes can generate in revenue.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by nikki99

what about a black tranny

My first thought, too.

[ReggieDurango]

Originally Posted by Mickey_

Aren't you a producer?

Yes. Yes I am.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Robbie

1. Tell that to the NBA & the "music" industry.

2. Yep, like I said that talent's worth is in how much their scenes can generate in revenue.

Good thing you named so many fields to contradict my statement.
Who owns the team and the record company bro?

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Interracial content is a HUGE seller. Black girls being fucked, on the other hand, is not as big compared to interracial.

Both black men and white men fantasize about white women in far more numbers than they do about Black girls or Hispanic or Asian girls. It's just the way it is.

So if you spend money shooting a scene with a white girl...you are going to make a lot more money than you will shooting another race.

Same with the black guys. An interracial scene with a black guy fucking a white girl will blow away the money made of a white guy fucking a black girl.

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Try this :

1. Minorities earn less in everything

2. Surfers want big cocks in porn

End.

I actually agree with both of you. In every industry the labor of Black women is devalued, but because straight dudes are so captivated by BBC their interest raises the value of Black male labor

Originally Posted by Robbie

It's just the way that human sexuality is

The thing is though, I don't think it's inherent to sexuality. Why are Black women perceived as lower-value, less interesting or 'cheap'? Bear in mind that this is played out in an identical manner in pretty much every other industry. Why are straight dudes (particularly white straight dudes) so obsessed with BBC? These are tropes that go back centuries, that have socio-political foundations in systems such as slavery. Hell, one of the arguments against abolishing the institution was the fear that Black men (with their ascribed prowess and appetite) would prey on white woman, who of course wouldn't be able to resist (gfy needs an eyeroll icon)

but yeah, the Black dick is a hugely political subject and I encounter it at least once a day on cam. I find it fascinating that it runs so deep that porn preferences are affected. Porn is definitely unique in that it's one of very few industries where Black men earn more than white men. It's not an accident, that's all I'm trying to point out.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Good thing you named so many fields to contradict my statement.
Who owns the team and the record company bro?

I ain't talking about the owners. And record company owners don't really have much anymore anyway. Most big artists make their own deals these days (some don't even bother signing with record companies and just sell their stuff direct on ITunes).

Like I said...you get paid what you're worth to make money.

If white guys could outplay black guys then it would be white guys drawing the crowds at NBA games. But they can't. So the black guys are far more VALUABLE in that instance.

It's the same with porn.

I can't speak for social injustices, discrimination, cultural problems, etc.
I'm just a guy who knows what sells in porn and why it sells.

And even in the "selling porn" side of the adult industry there is no difference in pay.
If you can sell more porn than I can...you'll make more money. Doesn't matter what color your skin is.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Is that even legal?

Isn't this racial discrimination & why's no mention of oriental pay rates?

[shimmy2]

[slapass]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

Isn't this racial discrimination & why's no mention of oriental pay rates?

It was mentioned as the highest.

[sinclair]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I ain't talking about the owners. And record company owners don't really have much anymore anyway.

I think they are doing just fine...

Richest Record Producers - TheRichest

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Good thing you named so many fields to contradict my statement.
Who owns the team and the record company bro?

You poor victim.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

You poor victim.

No truth talk here please.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by sinclair

I think they are doing just fine...

Richest Record Producers - TheRichest

Those are producers...the guys who go in the studio with a band and practically re-write the songs, oversee the recording, mixing, etc.

I was talking about the record company owners. That used to be a giant industry. It's nothing like it once was.

And even when it was big...the biggest and smartest artists always started their own record companies and had one of the big boys distribute it. Led Zeppelin had "Swan Song" records. The Beatles had "Apple Records". The Rolling Stones created "Rolling Stones Records".

And today...a lot of artists aren't even bothering with "distribution" deals. They don't have to. They have ITunes to get to the people.

Now a record PRODUCER...that's an artist in his own right. And yeah, If you want JayZ to produce your album...he's gonna charge you a ton of money.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I ain't talking about the owners. And record company owners don't really have much anymore anyway. Most big artists make their own deals these days (some don't even bother signing with record companies and just sell their stuff direct on ITunes).

Like I said...you get paid what you're worth to make money.

If white guys could outplay black guys then it would be white guys drawing the crowds at NBA games. But they can't. So the black guys are far more VALUABLE in that instance.

It's the same with porn.

I can't speak for social injustices, discrimination, cultural problems, etc.
I'm just a guy who knows what sells in porn and why it sells.

And even in the "selling porn" side of the adult industry there is no difference in pay.
If you can sell more porn than I can...you'll make more money. Doesn't matter what color your skin is.

Yeah sure, Vanilla Ice made it on his rapping skills.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

You poor victim.

Frank, you cock sucking loser; you're back!

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Yeah sure, Vanilla Ice made it on his rapping skills.

He was a one hit wonder. Compare what Vanilla Ice has in the bank to what Kanye or JayZ have in the bank.

People are paid what they are worth once you get to certain levels: The bottom (working at McDonalds) and the top (owning your own shit).

Everything in between? Then it becomes problematic for black people.

Like I said before though...in the porn industry it's all about value of the talent.

And in the business side of it, there is no difference. If you and I both sell 100 memberships online, we will both make the same amount of money.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Robbie

He was a one hit wonder. Compare what Vanilla Ice has in the bank to what Kanye or JayZ have in the bank.

People are paid what they are worth once you get to certain levels: The bottom (working at McDonalds) and the top (owning your own shit).

Everything in between? Then it becomes problematic for black people.

Like I said before though...in the porn industry it's all about value of the talent.

And in the business side of it, there is no difference. If you and I both sell 100 memberships online, we will both make the same amount of money.

I hear ya but :

Jerry Cooney vs Larry Holmes is the reality.

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[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I hear ya but :

Jerry Cooney vs Larry Holmes is the reality.

.

For the record it was Gerry Cooney vs. Larry Holmes

and one of the biggest charades in the boxing history, orchestrated mainly by nobody else but Don King in order to generate as much interest as possible and fill someone's pockets.

Someone's losses are somebody else's gains, and King, the ganef praying on many champions is a real model example of those that don't hesitate to play the race card in order to (wait for it) eventually rip off their own "brothers".

[The Porn Nerd]

This thread is rates-ist.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

For the record it was Gerry Cooney vs. Larry Holmes

and one of the biggest charades in the boxing history, orchestrated mainly by nobody else but Don King in order to generate as much interest as possible and fill someone's pockets.

Someone's losses are somebody else's gains, and King, the ganef praying on many champions is a real model example of those that don't hesitate to play the race card in order to (wait for it) eventually rip off their own "brothers".

Yeah, and look how easy the American people went along with it.
Was it King or was King just giving people what they wanted?
If you can't beat them then you join them and King just joined to get paid.

Motherfuckers held their buckets out and King just toss the fish in; everybody knew what they were catching.

But King caused all the racism because he cashed in on the racist reality right? Bullshit.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

What King illustrated is that the "reverse racism" works just as fine as an actual "racism".

In fact all those that play the race card at any given chance they get, that define their existence as "victims" (while they're very well aware they do that to benefit themselves, to give them a privilege), are just as bigoted, demagogic and pathetic as the lowest level scum white power supremacists.

Political correctness really is the worst thing that could ever happen to the community, because it enables the worst to come out, to embarrass and self destruct the community and its image to the lowest common denominator.

If we use boxing analogy it's like if you can hit low over and over and nobody can call you out on it, cause you don't have to abide the same rules and if they did call you out on it they would get disqualified. And then you get surprised the other side gets infuriated. So are you really surprised there is a tension between these two camps?

Of course it would help to stop trading low blows, so why does one still do this? because one can. Yet that still doesn't make it any less pathetic.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Yeah, and look how easy the American people went along with it.

But King caused all the racism because he cashed in on the racist reality right? Bullshit.

I didn't see that as "racism".
I just saw it as finding an opponent that they could promote to give white people the thought that "one of ours" could beat Holmes.

That's just racial pride. Not racism.

I don't think it's racist of the vast majority of black people to have all voted for Obama. They voted for him because he was black and they are proud of him.

And I'll guarantee you that every black person in the world was pulling for Larry Holmes in that Cooney fight. Why? Because he was black. They didn't want "one of theirs" to lose the title to a white guy.
That doesn't make them racist. Just makes them proud.

Nothing wrong with that.

I think maybe you are over-analyzing what porn talents are paid.
Race is a HUGE factor in what people will buy. Doesn't mean they are racists.

I don't own a black girl site. But I bet that guys that do will tell you it's mostly white guys who join. They like the taboo and exotic idea of fucking a hot black girl (so do I heh-heh).

I think you are kind of diminishing the bad reality of true racists acts in the world when you put them on the same level as what makes people's cocks hard.
And by the way...it's not just white guys who LOVE interracial sex and white women.
We are about 50% black members of Claudia Marie's site.

I guess I should tell them that they are racists?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I didn't see that as "racism".
I just saw it as finding an opponent that they could promote to give white people the thought that "one of ours" could beat Holmes.

That's just racial pride. Not racism.

I don't think it's racist of the vast majority of black people to have all voted for Obama. They voted for him because he was black and they are proud of him.

And I'll guarantee you that every black person in the world was pulling for Larry Holmes in that Cooney fight. Why? Because he was black. They didn't want "one of theirs" to lose the title to a white guy.
That doesn't make them racist. Just makes them proud.

Nothing wrong with that.

I think maybe you are over-analyzing what porn talents are paid.
Race is a HUGE factor in what people will buy. Doesn't mean they are racists.

I don't own a black girl site. But I bet that guys that do will tell you it's mostly white guys who join. They like the taboo and exotic idea of fucking a hot black girl (so do I heh-heh).

I think you are kind of diminishing the bad reality of true racists acts in the world when you put them on the same level as what makes people's cocks hard.
And by the way...it's not just white guys who LOVE interracial sex and white women.
We are about 50% black members of Claudia Marie's site.

I guess I should tell them that they are racists?

What the fuck does anything you just said have to do with you blaming it all on Don King?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

What the fuck does anything you just said have to do with you blaming it all on Don King?

I didn't blame anything on Don King. That was another person in the thread.

But if you don't agree with what I said, so be it. I just think you are way out there in your thinking.

[ReggieDurango]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

This thread is rates-ist.

Hahahahahahahahahaha niiiiiiiice!

[JustDaveXxx]

Funny thread. You can obviously see who doesn't shoot, doesn't pay for shoots or have a clue on what people get paid.


Shane Diesel, Prince, Lex and a few others are 1K per scene. Mandingo is $1200-$1400 per scenes.


Then there are a bunch of Black guys that are on all rate levels down to $300 and less.


White guys: Same thing 4 guys charge 1K per scene. One guy gets paid $1200 per scene and one guy actually makes $1500 scene (Yes $1500 per scenes and he turns work away on the daily).


And there are a list of white guys that hit every pay rate down to working for free.


Supply and demand is the name of this game. There is nothing racist about it. I want Lex or Prince in any of my scenes, I'm going to pay their rate. It really is that simple. Offering them less than their rate is a joke and an insult to them and all male performers.
All of the top males black and white are always booked out 3-6 weeks out on average.


Could you imagine; "Hey since your black, would you you drop your rate $400? Your black and Im white, you should drop your rate." I would get laughed at on the phone and stabbed at the next industry function. Sounds dumb? Of course its dumb!! High end males, Black and white all command and get paid their rates.


All the girls of all races are in the exact same boat. You want a performer with a name, your going to pay for it. You want a $50 crack head, you can find that too.

Both content products will be totally different.


The saying: "You get what you pay for" fits perfectly in this situation.


Arguing with me on this point won't make me see that talents pay reflects racisim and it most importantly it won't change anyones rates.


The laws of supply and demand is whats at play here.


Just Dave

[Robbie]

Just Dave = RACIST!

lol, just kidding. You're right on the money with your post.