Texas AG ignores Supreme Court ruling

[Rochard]

Seems like the Texas Attorney General seems to think it's possible for him to not obey the recent Supreme Court ruling about gay marriage.

Texas AG: State workers can deny marriage licenses to gay couples - Hanna Trudo - POLITICO

I find this utterly amazing. It's just amazing that any government official anywhere feels they can ignore a ruling by the highest court of the law because it fails to adhere to their personal beliefs.

Just fucking stunning.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Seems like the Texas Attorney General seems to think it's possible for him to not obey the recent Supreme Court ruling about gay marriage.

Texas AG: State workers can deny marriage licenses to gay couples - Hanna Trudo - POLITICO

I find this utterly amazing. It's just amazing that any government official anywhere feels they can ignore a ruling by the highest court of the law because it fails to adhere to their personal beliefs.

Just fucking stunning.

I predict 7 to 9 years before every State actually does issue marriage licenses to gay couples seeking one. Look at school desegregation in the South after Brown v Board of Education ruling. The President had to actually send in armed troops to enforce the SCOTUS ruling so that black students could physically enter the previous all white highschools.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Seems like the Texas Attorney General seems to think it's possible for him to not obey the recent Supreme Court ruling about gay marriage.

Texas AG: State workers can deny marriage licenses to gay couples - Hanna Trudo - POLITICO

I find this utterly amazing. It's just amazing that any government official anywhere feels they can ignore a ruling by the highest court of the law because it fails to adhere to their personal beliefs.

Just fucking stunning.

Yeah, stop and frisk yourself then.

[Milfer]

this is pure ignorance, why are people against gay community is beyond my understanding, it is same as blaming someone for being black

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Milfer

this is pure ignorance, why are people against gay community is beyond my understanding, it is same as blaming someone for being black

Stop attaching gay rights to slavery, civil war, Jim Crow, lynchings, police brutality and racial profiling.

Just say it's discrimination; don't try to equate it with being black.

[AdultB2B]

Well it didn’t take the pigheads in this world long to react.

IT’S THEIR JOB! IF THEY DON’T DO THEIR JOB THEY SHOULD BE DISMISSED!

Same sex marriage is now the law of the land. It is now the duty of each state and municipality to uphold it or they will face Federal consequences.

I wonder how fast guys like this will change their tune if the Federal government starts threatening to deny the state Federal funding if they don’t respect the court’s decision?

[clickhappy]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

slavery, civil war, Jim Crow, lynchings, police brutality and racial profiling.

yeah, none of that ever happens to gay people









That last one he's being kidnapped by skinheads who were stalking him

[kane]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Seems like the Texas Attorney General seems to think it's possible for him to not obey the recent Supreme Court ruling about gay marriage.

Texas AG: State workers can deny marriage licenses to gay couples - Hanna Trudo - POLITICO

I find this utterly amazing. It's just amazing that any government official anywhere feels they can ignore a ruling by the highest court of the law because it fails to adhere to their personal beliefs.

Just fucking stunning.

The legal fights are coming. In one city in Louisiana they are trying to argue that giving out gay marriage licenses is against their religion and therefore they shouldn't have to do it. In another city (I think in Texas, but that might not be correct) they have just stopped giving out all marriages licenses.

People don't get their way and they throw a tantrum.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Milfer

this is pure ignorance, why are people against gay community is beyond my understanding, it is same as blaming someone for being black

Because it was written in a book.

[TisMe]

Texas is special.

As in short bus special.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by clickhappy

yeah, none of that ever happens to gay people









That last one he's being kidnapped by skinheads who were stalking him

Comparing that to 300 years of American slavery is why some people just think your cause is a joke.
Stick to the fucking country we are in; because if you think blacks would be doing better in "AssFuckistan" then you're crazy.

[clickhappy]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Comparing that to 300 years of American slavery

I'm sorry, how long were you a slave?

Im Sicilian, we were considered “black” in the South and were subjected to the Jim Crow laws of segregation. We weren’t allowed to marry “whites.” .
We were designated as “black” on census forms if we lived in the South and that is because the majority of us were dark-skinned Sicilians.

Mass lynchings happened to them often. One of the biggest mass lynchings happened to Italians in New Orleans when they thought that a Italian immigrant had killed a “white” police officer.

. Do you know how much time I spend thinking about it or taking about it? 0. I wasn't even born yet.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by clickhappy

How long were you a slave?

Im Sicilian, we've been conquered and enslaved by different governments for generations. Do you know how much time I spend thinking about it or taking about it? 0

Stop stealing from black oppression to fight your fight of which hole to put your dick in.

Black guy gets murder and "black lives matter" is coined by blacks and then come the gays to
steal the phrase as "gay lives matter" then try to over shadow the black tragedy.

Nine people get murdered in the church this week just for being black but gays are dancing in the streets because
they can get a marriage certificate.

I agree with the right of gays to marry by the way.

Just stop trying to be Rachel Dolezal.
You're not black just because you had a problem.

[clickhappy]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Stop stealing from black oppression to fight you fight of which hole to put your dick in.

Black guy gets murder and "black lives matter" is coined by blacks and then come the gays to
steal the phrase as "gay lives matter" then try to over shadow the black tragedy.

Nine people get murdered in the church this week just for being black but gays are dancing in the streets because
they can get a marriage certificate.

I agree with the right of gays to marry by the way.

Just stop trying to be Rachel Dolezal.
You're not black just because you had a problem.

I said youre right, gay people dont get killed or attacked or harassed today at all.

btw did you have to marry someone you didnt want to and be trapped in a life you didnt want for years because you are black?
Did you have to keep being black a secret from your family or risk being thrown out?
Did you have to keep it a secret at work or you might get fired? How did it feel holding a huge secret like that inside, constantly on guard not to let people know?
that must have sucked especially since its just about what hole you put your dick in.

[dyna mo]

it's cute how adults like rochard are "fucking stunned" by how the real world works.

heads-up

the SC does not make or write laws.

Their job is to interpret laws and ensure the laws are constitutional.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by clickhappy

I said youre right, gay people dont get killed or attacked or harassed today at all.

1. btw did you have to marry someone you didnt want to and be trapped in a life you didnt want for years because you are black?

2. Did you have to keep being black a secret from your family or risk being thrown out?

3. Did you have to keep it a secret at work or you might get fired? How did it feel holding a huge secret like that inside, constantly on guard not to let people know?
that must have sucked especially since its just about what hole you put your dick in.

1. Yes, I was in love with a white chick who couldn't marry me because I was black, so ended up with a black bitch I can't stand.

2. Yes, the white chick had to keep the secret that I was black or get kicked out of her family and my house burned down.

3. Yes, my boss didn't believe in interracial dating and openly stated so.
Terrible, and yeah, finally decided to put my dick in a dark colored hole.


Fucking idiot.

[blackmonsters]

I left out the 's because they cluttered up the post.

[j3rkules]

Religious belief has no bearing on government workers who work for a gov't where there is separation of church and state. If those workers want to lose their jobs and give them to others, then move over. The law is the law, that's how the constitution works.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I find this utterly amazing. It's just amazing that any government official anywhere feels they can ignore a ruling by the highest court of the law because it fails to adhere to their personal beliefs.

Said the guy who thinks it's OK to stomp all over the 2nd Amendment.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Seems like the Texas Attorney General seems to think it's possible for him to not obey the recent Supreme Court ruling about gay marriage.

Texas AG: State workers can deny marriage licenses to gay couples - Hanna Trudo - POLITICO

I find this utterly amazing. It's just amazing that any government official anywhere feels they can ignore a ruling by the highest court of the law because it fails to adhere to their personal beliefs.

Just fucking stunning.

a judge over turned popular vote due to personal beliefs so what's the difference? does our vote matter any longer? this is the part where I remind you in 2002 California VOTED not to extend benefits too ILLEGAL aliens and the courts dumped the vote just like California VOTED AGAINST gay marriage and a judge dumped the vote...

it's a state issue NOT a federal issue

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

I predict 7 to 9 years before every State actually does issue marriage licenses to gay couples seeking one. Look at school desegregation in the South after Brown v Board of Education ruling. The President had to actually send in armed troops to enforce the SCOTUS ruling so that black students could physically enter the previous all white highschools.

a REPUBLICAN pres BTW

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Milfer

this is pure ignorance, why are people against gay community is beyond my understanding, it is same as blaming someone for being black

why people eat shit and suck dicks is amazing to me BUT that's their belief...personally I'm against any community that is loud and obnoxious ...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by kane

People don't get their way and they throw a tantrum.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Stop stealing from black oppression to fight your fight of which hole to put your dick in.

Black guy gets murder and "black lives matter" is coined by blacks and then come the gays to
steal the phrase as "gay lives matter" then try to over shadow the black tragedy.

Nine people get murdered in the church this week just for being black but gays are dancing in the streets because
they can get a marriage certificate.

I agree with the right of gays to marry by the way.

Just stop trying to be Rachel Dolezal.
You're not black just because you had a problem.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

a judge over turned popular vote due to personal beliefs so what's the difference? does our vote matter any longer? this is the part where I remind you in 2002 California VOTED not to extend benefits too ILLEGAL aliens and the courts dumped the vote just like California VOTED AGAINST gay marriage and a judge dumped the vote...

it's a state issue NOT a federal issue

1. Just because people vote for something does not necessarily make it constitutionally valid.

2. Marriage is a state power, but it still must comply with 14th Amendment Equal Protection requirements.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by AdultB2B

Well it didn?t take the pigheads in this world long to react.

IT?S THEIR JOB! IF THEY DON?T DO THEIR JOB THEY SHOULD BE DISMISSED!

Same sex marriage is now the law of the land. It is now the duty of each state and municipality to uphold it or they will face Federal consequences.

I wonder how fast guys like this will change their tune if the Federal government starts threatening to deny the state Federal funding if they don?t respect the court?s decision?

I agree. Religious beliefs play no role in creating or enforcing law.

[Barry-xlovecam]

''States Rights''

Gays and lesbians are now a 'sex[ual orientation]' entitled to rights and the 14th Amendment would apply ...

Get over it ...

[TCLGirls]

I wonder what gun nuts would say if there was a sheriff who said "issuing concealed carry permits is against my religion, thus I am expressing my freedom of religion when I deny all concealed carry permit applications."

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

1. Just because people vote for something does not necessarily make it constitutionally valid.

2. Marriage is a state power, but it still must comply with 14th Amendment Equal Protection requirements.

pls explain how illegal aliens have the constitutional right to welfare benefits...

not a lawyer however I'm willing to state the 14th amendment relates to jobs, education and personal safety, not marriage... if the 14th did apply to marriage this would have been a very vocal argument a long time ago...

this is clearly a case of federal intervention into state matters and states rights are protected under the constitution are they not?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

I wonder what gun nuts would say if there was a sheriff who said "issuing concealed carry permits is against my religion, thus I am expressing my freedom of religion when I deny all concealed carry permit applications."

probably the same thing you would say if a judge said gay marriage is against my personal and religious beliefs I deny all gay marriages... seriously that's a fucking lame effort on your part

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

pls explain how illegal aliens have the constitutional right to welfare benefits...

not a lawyer however I'm willing to state the 14th amendment relates to jobs, education and personal safety, not marriage... if the 14th did apply to marriage this would have been a very vocal argument a long time ago...

this is clearly a case of federal intervention into state matters and states rights are protected under the constitution are they not?

I never said I agreed with any ruling granting welfare benefits for illegal aliens.

Now if you are talking about welfare funds given to support anchor babies, then that is a different story. Anchor babies deserve the same rights as afforded to any other US born citizen.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

not a lawyer however I'm willing to state the 14th amendment relates to jobs, education and personal safety, not marriage... if the 14th did apply to marriage this would have been a very vocal argument a long time ago...

The SCOTUS can only rule on issues that people bring before the court.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by kane

The legal fights are coming. In one city in Louisiana they are trying to argue that giving out gay marriage licenses is against their religion and therefore they shouldn't have to do it. In another city (I think in Texas, but that might not be correct) they have just stopped giving out all marriages licenses.

People don't get their way and they throw a tantrum.

There is a separation of church and state for a reason. Their argument is ended before if started. If they don't like doing their job, because of religious beliefs then they can get a new job outside the govt.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Seems like the Texas Attorney General seems to think it's possible for him to not obey the recent Supreme Court ruling about gay marriage.

Texas AG: State workers can deny marriage licenses to gay couples - Hanna Trudo - POLITICO

I find this utterly amazing. It's just amazing that any government official anywhere feels they can ignore a ruling by the highest court of the law because it fails to adhere to their personal beliefs.

Just fucking stunning.

I would love to see this guy arrested for disobeying the supreme court.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

probably the same thing you would say if a judge said gay marriage is against my personal and religious beliefs I deny all gay marriages... seriously that's a fucking lame effort on your part

Of course I would say it's wrong in both instances...now whether the gun nut would say it's wrong for the judge to deny same sex wedding applications based on religious belief is questionable.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

I wonder what gun nuts would say if there was a sheriff who said "issuing concealed carry permits is against my religion, thus I am expressing my freedom of religion when I deny all concealed carry permit applications."

They would probably point out something like this:

Bearing ArmsSCOTUS Ruling On Same-Sex Marriage Mandates Nationwide Concealed Carry Reciprocity - Bearing Arms

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

I would love to see this guy arrested for disobeying the supreme court.

that's not how it works. the SC simply renders opinions on the constitionality of a law as it applies to a specific case. you can't "disobey" the SC.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

pls explain how illegal aliens have the constitutional right to welfare benefits...

They shouldn't have the constitutional right to welfare benefits... However, if the Supreme Court rules they do the local county clerk (or whomever) does not have to the right to obey or disobey the Supreme Court and it's ruling.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by **********

I would love to see this guy arrested for disobeying the supreme court.

I wonder if that could happen. Sure would be interesting to see.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by AaronM

They would probably point out something like this:

Bearing ArmsSCOTUS Ruling On Same-Sex Marriage Mandates Nationwide Concealed Carry Reciprocity - Bearing Arms

That's actually not quiet analogous. The author claims the 14th Amendment now requires his North Carolina CCP to be honored in every state. But that assumes that all the states that do not honor his CCP are necessarily in violation of the 14th Amendment...hey has not proven that yet. It is entirely possible that CA law (which would might not recognize his CCP) is still in compliance with the 14th Amendment.

It's just like if a state did not recognize marriage whatsoever...that would be legal since marriage power is reserved for the States. And thus that state would not have to recognize same sex marriage. It's only if the State chooses to recognize marriage, then it must recognize both gay and straight marriage.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by **********

I would love to see this guy arrested for disobeying the supreme court.

That would be AWESOME! Then we could start arresting all the politicians who break their oaths of office by shredding our Constitution.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by AaronM

That would be AWESOME! Then we could start arresting all the politicians who break their oaths of office by shredding our Constitution.

Difference is SCOTUS opinion carries the force of law. Popular opinion does not.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

That's actually not quiet analogous. The author claims the 14th Amendment now requires his North Carolina CCP to be honored in every state. But that assumes that all the states that do not honor his CCP are necessarily in violation of the 14th Amendment...hey has not proven that yet. It is entirely possible that CA law (which would might not recognize his CCP) is still in compliance with the 14th Amendment.

It's just like if a state did not recognize marriage whatsoever...that would be legal since marriage power is reserved for the States. And thus that state would not have to recognize same sex marriage. It's only if the State chooses to recognize marriage, then it must recognize both gay and straight marriage.

Any state that requires a conceal carry permit is already in violation of the 2nd and 14th.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Difference is SCOTUS opinion carries the force of law. Popular opinion does not.

Popular opinion has nothing to do with this. Anything that goes against the U.S. Constitution is considered treason. 200 years ago, these crooked politicians would already be hanging from a tree. Thanks to "popular opinion", this country has become pussified. Politicians are rarely held accountable for the damage they cause and/or the lies they tell.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Any state that requires a conceal carry permit is already in violation of the 2nd and 14th.

Like I said previously, the SCOTUS opinion carries the force of law...popular opinion, and unpopular opinion (like yours), does not.

Originally Posted by AaronM

Popular opinion has nothing to do with this. Anything that goes against the U.S. Constitution is considered treason.

And those specific things that you think are going against the Constitution? Yup, that's your opinion.

Originally Posted by AaronM

200 years ago, these crooked politicians would already be hanging from a tree. Thanks to "popular opinion", this country has become pussified. Politicians are rarely held accountable for the damage they cause and/or the lies they tell.

That's why we have the rule of law in this country...as opposed to the rule of a mob, which you seem to be advocating for.

[dyna mo]

as per usual, the op got it wrong.

the Texas AG didn't ignore the ruling, he defined it for his employees, like any good employer would do.

and he got it right.

Paxton individually addressed two sets of people in his Sunday opinion: county clerks and their deputies, who issue licenses, and those who can perform marriages.

He said his office believed state religious freedom laws would allow clerks to refuse to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have sincerely held beliefs that prohibit them from doing so, and if there was someone else present - like a deputy - who would be willing to service the couple.

Judges and justices of the peace, however, should be able to refuse to marry these couples without finding an alternative, said Paxton, because there are others endowed with the ability to perform marriages, like members of the clergy.


"So long as other authorized individuals are willing to conduct same-sex wedding ceremonies, these statutory provisions demonstrate the practical reality that a refusal by a religiously objecting justice of the peace or judge cannot prevent a same-sex couple from participating in a wedding ceremony contemplated by state law," wrote Paxton.

06-28-2015 Paxton SSM Opinion

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

I never said I agreed with any ruling granting welfare benefits for illegal aliens.

Now if you are talking about welfare funds given to support anchor babies, then that is a different story. Anchor babies deserve the same rights as afforded to any other US born citizen.

you like to research legal stuff right? you know why peeps born here get citizenship? you'll find the answer interesting... and cally VOTED not to extend welfare to illegal aliens... the vote was over turned by a judge

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Of course I would say it's wrong in both instances...now whether the gun nut would say it's wrong for the judge to deny same sex wedding applications based on religious belief is questionable.

so by your definition you're a gay nut then?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Popular opinion has nothing to do with this. Anything that goes against the U.S. Constitution is considered treason. 200 years ago, these crooked politicians would already be hanging from a tree. Thanks to "popular opinion", this country has become pussified. Politicians are rarely held accountable for the damage they cause and/or the lies they tell.

or liberal intellectuals...

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Milfer

this is pure ignorance, why are people against gay community is beyond my understanding, it is same as blaming someone for being black

People are against gay marriage, not against gays.
Have partnerships with the same legal binding, just don't call it marriage.

Respect Texas for standing to this bulshit agenda.