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k0nr4d · 08-17-2015, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hentaiwebmaster

I should of course cancel my CC , But I just forgot

still think that forcing you into 13 months cycle and bearing it deep into terms and condition is no difference then a scam.

I completely disagree with you here. It's not a scam... I would say as a courtesy they should have given you notice some 2 months before that your contract will auto-renew, but a hosting contract is no different then any other contract... If you hired someone to build a house you'd read through the whole thing. When taking out a bank loan, you read through the whole thing, etc...

MetaMan · 08-17-2015, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

I completely disagree with you here. It's not a scam... I would say as a courtesy they should have given you notice some 2 months before that your contract will auto-renew, but a hosting contract is no different then any other contract... If you hired someone to build a house you'd read through the whole thing. When taking out a bank loan, you read through the whole thing, etc...

Visa and MC do not take kindly to auto rebilling unless the pricing is extremely clear. Especially to lock someone into a full year auto renew. That's ridiculous.

After all the diet pill rebills "scams" visa and mastercard have been forced to tightened up by the ftc. He will win the chargeback i can almost guarantee it.

hentaiwebmaster · 08-17-2015, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

I completely disagree with you here. It's not a scam... I would say as a courtesy they should have given you notice some 2 months before that your contract will auto-renew, but a hosting contract is no different then any other contract... If you hired someone to build a house you'd read through the whole thing. When taking out a bank loan, you read through the whole thing, etc...

When I joined their service it was 2010 , So I guess I should have read their terms and conditions again once they updated it.

plaster · 08-17-2015, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

Visa and MC do not take kindly to auto rebilling unless the pricing is extremely clear. Especially to lock someone into a full year auto renew. That's ridiculous.

After all the diet pill rebills "scams" visa and mastercard have been forced to tightened up by the ftc. He will win the chargeback i can almost guarantee it.

Banks also do not like it when it is most obvious the service was not used and the charges were not authorized (they simply don't even care that much about the terms). A second chargeback by Visa (called arbitration apparently), will say from issuing bank:

"Ch bank has reviewed & maintains unauthorized. For a non face-to-face sale, the only Visa approved remedy to a c/b for CH did not authorize, is to prove sale was Verified by Visa."

It may take a second chargeback, but he will win. That is unless he doesn't chargeback and emails choopa a few more times. And I think the time frame from filing initial chargeback to date of sale is 120 days. So 4 months back from date of filing is typically the accepted term, however those dates seem to change depending on the issuing bank.

hentaiwebmaster · 08-17-2015, 03:48 PM

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j3rkules · 08-17-2015, 03:58 PM

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Your Account, 9075, has been closed down. If you feel there has been an error and this account has been incorrectly closed down, please contact us immediately at [email protected].

We hope you have enjoyed the Choopa.com network and that you will be back soon. If you wish to reactivate this account, please contact us at [email protected] at any time!

Good for you.

fris · 08-18-2015, 03:58 AM

most people i know have moved away from choopa years ago cause of problems

hentaiwebmaster · 08-18-2015, 04:56 PM

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most people i know have moved away from choopa years ago cause of problems

Shady company?

Sid70 · 08-18-2015, 05:07 PM

AMDWarrior · 08-18-2015, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hentaiwebmaster

Shady company?

LOL
Idiot

j3rkules · 08-18-2015, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hentaiwebmaster

Shady company?

If natural selection was fair, you'd be dead by now.

Major (Tom) · 08-18-2015, 05:32 PM

I got ddos'd by a choopa ip. I sent to gucker but nada.
It is what it is
Ds

hentaiwebmaster · 08-31-2015, 04:48 PM

Got back 3000$ chargeback allready. Not sure where the other 1500$ are but I will contact the CC again.

brassmonkey · 08-31-2015, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hentaiwebmaster

Got back 3000$ chargeback allready. Not sure where the other 1500$ are but I will contact the CC again.

xXXtesy10 · 08-31-2015, 05:33 PM

what a bunch of assholes

j3rkules · 09-01-2015, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hentaiwebmaster

Got back 3000$ chargeback allready. Not sure where the other 1500$ are but I will contact the CC again.

I hope you learnt your lesson.

AmeliaG · 09-01-2015, 02:08 AM

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I'm always a guy to argue for personal accountability but to me, his situation goes beyond contract terms.

We all sign contracts without reading them. We all accept terms and conditions (often many times a day) without reading them. We all make assumptions as to what is reasonable, fair and ethical and we all enter into agreements in good faith that we'll be treated fairly. We do not expect someone to hide shitty clauses designed solely to cause needless financial harm to a customer.

It's not like he got a great deal on servers and Choopa went deep into their own pockets upfront. The ass raping of their own customer by Choopa started on day one and they simply try to continue it because some ass clown who clearly wasn't an attorney added some greedy "fuck you" language to the agreement.

As I've read (skimmed) it, basically choopa is banging his card under the premise of the contract auto-renewing should he fail to contact them within a very narrow window as if it was a $29.95 gym membership. First, I am lot an expert in contract law but I've never seen a contract which "renewed" at the time of its expiration, which wasn't on a month to month basis. The only real reason to do that in the business world is to ensure there is an agreement in place or which remains in force no matter what. It's not a way to sucker idiots into a second commitment of the same term as the first. I would guess that provision is neither legal not enforceable. Just because two jerkoffs agree to stab each other in the face with a knife, that does not mean the agreement is legal. This also all crosses into a large body of US law relating to unfair business practices.

He should have known what he was signing.

He should have done his homework and shopped around for servers.

I seriously doubt that clauses is legally enforceable or even compliant with Visa/MC merchant requirements.

I'd take it to my bank and let them decide... then I'd accept the decision.

This is still nothing more than cunty behavior from a cunty hosting company. It's not a way to conduct business by anyone's standards... Particularly in such a competitive space.

This post rules

I want you to be my attorney.

plaster · 09-01-2015, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by hentaiwebmaster

Got back 3000$ chargeback allready. Not sure where the other 1500$ are but I will contact the CC again.

They didn't give you back March and April because it was past the 120 day window. You won, choopa only sucked 2 months out of you, and they got hit with an additional $100 in chargeback fees.

oh... keep a lookout for a possible reversal of that chargeback. If that happens, demand your bank submit second chargeback/pre-arbitration notice stating what I said above:

Did not authorize and prove service was being used.

That will again reverse the charges in your favor and hit choopa with another $100 in fees.

Nicky · 09-01-2015, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

Just sayin', Mojohost's dedicated servers are by far the best I've used so far. Kinda expensive, though, but cheaper than what the OP is paying..

I'm paying $70 a month for a better server and 250mb/s of unrestricted BW. It has been solid as a rock for 1+ year now. Managed servers are so not worth it.

xXXtesy10 · 09-01-2015, 01:55 PM

fuck choopa Choopa mi verga!

pr0phet · 09-01-2015, 09:55 PM

Who is the best host now for adult?

AdultKing · 09-01-2015, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0phet

Who is the best host now for adult?

OVH is very good, if you can manage your own servers.

NewNick · 09-02-2015, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

OVH is very good, if you can manage your own servers.

+1

Google Expert · 09-02-2015, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by plaster

Banks also do not like it when it is most obvious the service was not used and the charges were not authorized (they simply don't even care that much about the terms). A second chargeback by Visa (called arbitration apparently).

This is correct. You should post more often.

Google Expert · 09-02-2015, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0phet

Who is the best host now for adult?

Check out https://quadranet.com/

We've had a got a couple unmanaged servers with them for 3 years. Service is very good.

MetaMan · 09-02-2015, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by plaster

Banks also do not like it when it is most obvious the service was not used and the charges were not authorized (they simply don't even care that much about the terms). A second chargeback by Visa (called arbitration apparently), will say from issuing bank:

"Ch bank has reviewed & maintains unauthorized. For a non face-to-face sale, the only Visa approved remedy to a c/b for CH did not authorize, is to prove sale was Verified by Visa."

It may take a second chargeback, but he will win. That is unless he doesn't chargeback and emails choopa a few more times. And I think the time frame from filing initial chargeback to date of sale is 120 days. So 4 months back from date of filing is typically the accepted term, however those dates seem to change depending on the issuing bank.

Yes agreed, i pointed out the part about useage earlier in the thread. was just going on multiple points.

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That's not what honest and reputable companies do. Especially with something like hosting that useage is so easy to prove.
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hentaiwebmaster Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 67	Got back 3000$ chargeback allready. Not sure where the other 1500$ are but I will contact the CC again.

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