Man fatally shot by Tulsa police had no gun, chief says

[brassmonkey]

TULSA, Okla. - A black man fatally shot by a white Tulsa, Oklahoma, police officer responding to a stalled vehicle had no weapon on him or in his SUV, the city's police chief said Monday.

An investigation is underway into Friday's shooting death of 40-year-old Terence Crutcher, Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan said, as the department prepared to release dashcam footage of the shooting.

"We will achieve justice in this case," Jordan said.

Meanwhile, family members and community leaders who have viewed the footage said it clearly shows that Crutcher's hands were in the air when he was shot.

"We saw that Terence did not have any weapon. Terence did not make any sudden movements. We saw that Terence was not being belligerent," one of the attorneys for the family, Damario Solomon-Simmons, said at a news conference separate from one police held.

Tulsa Police Sgt. Shane Tuell confirmed that relatives were shown the recordings Sunday ahead of the planned public release.

"We wanted them to see it before it was released so they wouldn't be blindsided by it," Tuell said. "We wanted to be able to have that intimate time with them, with their attorney, to see if they had any questions or concerns.

"With something of this magnitude, we're trying an approach that we believe is necessary to further that transparency."

About a dozen protesters gathered outside the Tulsa County courthouse on Monday morning, waving signs that read, "This Stops Now" and "Not Going, Keep Protesting." They also chanted, "Hands up, don't shoot." One protester, Tulsa resident Mark Whited, said more needed to be done to "bridge the mistrusts" between communities.

Authorities said the shooting occurred after an officer stopped to investigate a vehicle in the middle of a road. Police said Crutcher approached after officers arrived to assist. Police spokeswoman Jeanne MacKenzie has said Crutcher refused orders to put up his hands.

Police say Tulsa officer Betty Shelby fired the fatal shot, while officer Tyler Turnbough used a stun gun on Crutcher. Both officers are white, MacKenzie said Monday.

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[mineistaken]

death and evil popo copy paste 2 in 1.

[bronco67]

Another case of "Black guy! Shoot!!!"

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Another case of "Black guy! Shoot!!!"

Bronco already did his own investigation.
Dindu nuffin just like Mike Brown.

[Rochard]

Of course the family is saying he was unarmed and didn't make any sudden movements. Most likely the man didn't follow directions, put his hands in his pocket or behind his back, and the officer most likely gave him multiple warning saying he was going to be shot.

A few years ago I was with a friend who got pulled over and she did everything you shouldn't do at a traffic stop. I was a bit surprised anyone acts like that when police pull you over.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Of course the family is saying he was unarmed and didn't make any sudden movements. Most likely the man didn't follow directions, put his hands in his pocket or behind his back, and the officer most likely gave him multiple warning saying he was going to be shot.

Noooooo, haven't you read bronco's investigation conclusion? It was, obviously, because he was black!

[MiamiBoyz]

[Scott McD]

Oh great, so the "black lives matter" people in the UK (even though it has nothing to do with us) will be causing chaos again...Great!

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Of course the family is saying he was unarmed and didn't make any sudden movements. Most likely the man didn't follow directions, put his hands in his pocket or behind his back, and the officer most likely gave him multiple warning saying he was going to be shot.

A few years ago I was with a friend who got pulled over and she did everything you shouldn't do at a traffic stop. I was a bit surprised anyone acts like that when police pull you over.

have you watched the video? looked like they lined up to block the camera view it was odd. he was shot with his hands in the air. looks like there will be some more revenge dished out somewhere soon.

[bronco67]

He was guilty of being black in Whiteville, USA.

[SirDubin]

Police brutality has no limits in some cases

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

have you watched the video? looked like they lined up to block the camera view it was odd. he was shot with his hands in the air. looks like there will be some more revenge dished out somewhere soon.

I have watched the video. Did you watch the second video from the helicopter?

Terence Crutcher: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Seems to me a police officer was en-route to a call when they came across a vehicle in the middle of the road. Officer stops to investigate, finds someone who is unwilling to answer questions and unwilling to corporate, and calls for back up. The officer, partly because of drug-recognition training, believes the man (Crutcher) is on drugs, most likely PCP.

According the above linked article, "Crutcher ignored the officer?s commands several times and didn?t answer her questions and reached for his pockets several times despite Shelby telling him not to". Other officers show up, sees an officer with their firearm drawn and a suspect who is not following orders to stop, not following orders to get down on his knees or to lay down on his belly, and instead walks back to his car and puts his hands into his car.

Then he got shot.

It's pretty simple. When police say "put your hands on your head" and then "get down on your knees" you either do what you are told or you risk getting shot. If you instead walk back to your car and put your hands inside the window like you are going to pull out a fire arm, well.... Again, you risk getting shot.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I have watched the video. Did you watch the second video from the helicopter?

Terence Crutcher: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Seems to me a police officer was en-route to a call when they came across a vehicle in the middle of the road. Officer stops to investigate, finds someone who is unwilling to answer questions and unwilling to corporate, and calls for back up. The officer, partly because of drug-recognition training, believes the man (Crutcher) is on drugs, most likely PCP.

According the above linked article, "Crutcher ignored the officer’s commands several times and didn’t answer her questions and reached for his pockets several times despite Shelby telling him not to". Other officers show up, sees an officer with their firearm drawn and a suspect who is not following orders to stop, not following orders to get down on his knees or to lay down on his belly, and instead walks back to his car and puts his hands into his car.

Then he got shot.

It's pretty simple. When police say "put your hands on your head" and then "get down on your knees" you either do what you are told or you risk getting shot. If you instead walk back to your car and put your hands inside the window like you are going to pull out a fire arm, well.... Again, you risk getting shot.

Police are not supposed to shoot someone because he might have a gun. The guy had no gun.

I know police have a tough job, but they're paid to be in harm's way. A cop can't shoot a citizen because he's about to shit his pants with fear. Cops works for us. Try to remember that.

[romeo22]

crime is rising day by day.

[marlboroack]

Fuck it

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Police are not supposed to shoot someone because he might have a gun. The guy had no gun.

I know police have a tough job, but they're paid to be in harm's way. A cop can't shoot a citizen because he's about to shit his pants with fear. Cops works for us. Try to remember that.

I agree with you. But... I think you are downplaying things here. You are correct that police officers shouldn't shoot people because they are scared. But at the same time police know that someone fucked up on drugs who isn't going to obey police officers isn't going to suddenly play nice. They know that someone is going to get hurt. And they get jumpy.

We don't know if the police officer fired on him because he failed to obey directions, he moved suddenly, or they thought he had a weapon. It's entirely possible the officer fired on accident, or more likely fired after another officer has shot off their taser.

When ever a police officer has their firearm drawn it's a dangerous situation.

But don't tell me they killed him because he was black. That's just not true.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Rochard

But don't tell me they killed him because he was black. That's just not true.

and you know that's true --- why? Because all white Oklahoma police officers love black people and would treat them the same as any white citizen standing by his car that had broken down on the way home from his first night of community college?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Of course the family is saying he was unarmed and didn't make any sudden movements. Most likely the man didn't follow directions, put his hands in his pocket or behind his back, and the officer most likely gave him multiple warning saying he was going to be shot.

A few years ago I was with a friend who got pulled over and she did everything you shouldn't do at a traffic stop. I was a bit surprised anyone acts like that when police pull you over.

Did your friend get shot or was she white?

Only in a police state does not doing exactly as told, get people shot.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Did your friend get shot or was she white?

Only in a police state does not doing exactly as told, get people shot.

great example the man that followed everything the cops said and got shot. not one shot from the firearm but multiple shots. this cop is on paid leave!

[poncabare]

all blacks are good, and all whites are bad. everyone sees your mentality

[poncabare]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

TULSA, Okla. - A black man fatally shot by a white Tulsa, Oklahoma, police officer responding to a stalled vehicle had no weapon on him or in his SUV, the city's police chief said Monday.

An investigation is underway into Friday's shooting death of 40-year-old Terence Crutcher, Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan said, as the department prepared to release dashcam footage of the shooting.

"We will achieve justice in this case," Jordan said.

Meanwhile, family members and community leaders who have viewed the footage said it clearly shows that Crutcher's hands were in the air when he was shot.

"We saw that Terence did not have any weapon. Terence did not make any sudden movements. We saw that Terence was not being belligerent," one of the attorneys for the family, Damario Solomon-Simmons, said at a news conference separate from one police held.

Tulsa Police Sgt. Shane Tuell confirmed that relatives were shown the recordings Sunday ahead of the planned public release.

"We wanted them to see it before it was released so they wouldn't be blindsided by it," Tuell said. "We wanted to be able to have that intimate time with them, with their attorney, to see if they had any questions or concerns.

"With something of this magnitude, we're trying an approach that we believe is necessary to further that transparency."

About a dozen protesters gathered outside the Tulsa County courthouse on Monday morning, waving signs that read, "This Stops Now" and "Not Going, Keep Protesting." They also chanted, "Hands up, don't shoot." One protester, Tulsa resident Mark Whited, said more needed to be done to "bridge the mistrusts" between communities.

Authorities said the shooting occurred after an officer stopped to investigate a vehicle in the middle of a road. Police said Crutcher approached after officers arrived to assist. Police spokeswoman Jeanne MacKenzie has said Crutcher refused orders to put up his hands.

Police say Tulsa officer Betty Shelby fired the fatal shot, while officer Tyler Turnbough used a stun gun on Crutcher. Both officers are white, MacKenzie said Monday.

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How many blacks were shot by blacks over the weekend in Chicago? Thats not news worthy though..

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Of course the family is saying he was unarmed and didn't make any sudden movements. Most likely the man didn't follow directions, put his hands in his pocket or behind his back, and the officer most likely gave him multiple warning saying he was going to be shot.

A few years ago I was with a friend who got pulled over and she did everything you shouldn't do at a traffic stop. I was a bit surprised anyone acts like that when police pull you over.

you should watch the video .... then come back to apologize ....

[AMDWarrior]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

TULSA, Okla. - A black man fatally shot by a white Tulsa, Oklahoma, police officer responding to a stalled vehicle had no weapon on him or in his SUV, the city's police chief said Monday.

An investigation is underway into Friday's shooting death of 40-year-old Terence Crutcher, Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan said, as the department prepared to release dashcam footage of the shooting.

"We will achieve justice in this case," Jordan said.

Meanwhile, family members and community leaders who have viewed the footage said it clearly shows that Crutcher's hands were in the air when he was shot.

"We saw that Terence did not have any weapon. Terence did not make any sudden movements. We saw that Terence was not being belligerent," one of the attorneys for the family, Damario Solomon-Simmons, said at a news conference separate from one police held.

Tulsa Police Sgt. Shane Tuell confirmed that relatives were shown the recordings Sunday ahead of the planned public release.

"We wanted them to see it before it was released so they wouldn't be blindsided by it," Tuell said. "We wanted to be able to have that intimate time with them, with their attorney, to see if they had any questions or concerns.

"With something of this magnitude, we're trying an approach that we believe is necessary to further that transparency."

About a dozen protesters gathered outside the Tulsa County courthouse on Monday morning, waving signs that read, "This Stops Now" and "Not Going, Keep Protesting." They also chanted, "Hands up, don't shoot." One protester, Tulsa resident Mark Whited, said more needed to be done to "bridge the mistrusts" between communities.

Authorities said the shooting occurred after an officer stopped to investigate a vehicle in the middle of a road. Police said Crutcher approached after officers arrived to assist. Police spokeswoman Jeanne MacKenzie has said Crutcher refused orders to put up his hands.

Police say Tulsa officer Betty Shelby fired the fatal shot, while officer Tyler Turnbough used a stun gun on Crutcher. Both officers are white, MacKenzie said Monday.

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No he,reached and was shot. Don't be a dumbass you won't get shot.


But you're a dumbass racist so doesn't matter what actually happened.

[just a punk]

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by AMDWarrior

No he,reached and was shot. Don't be a dumbass you won't get shot.


But you're a dumbass racist so doesn't matter what actually happened.

yeah yeah you are right! you are the guy that surfs the internet trying to find people to attack. every time i see you that's what you are doing! every fucking time!

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

you should watch the video .... then come back to apologize ....

Allow me to repeat myself... I've watched both videos.

The video from the helicopter makes it very clear what happened - Four officers had him at gun point, he refused to obey any orders, walked away from them, and back to his car and reached in the window.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by bronco67

and you know that's true --- why? Because all white Oklahoma police officers love black people and would treat them the same as any white citizen standing by his car that had broken down on the way home from his first night of community college?

So the family says he was "on his way home from his first night at community college" and had done nothing wrong.

Meanwhile, the video footage from the helicopter shows four officers trying to take a man into custody at gun point and the man walking away from them, going back to his car, and reaching inside.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by AMDWarrior

No he,reached and was shot. Don't be a dumbass you won't get shot.


But you're a dumbass racist so doesn't matter what actually happened.

you obvioiusly did not watch it 

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So the family says he was "on his way home from his first night at community college" and had done nothing wrong.

Meanwhile, the video footage from the helicopter shows four officers trying to take a man into custody at gun point and the man walking away from them, going back to his car, and reaching inside.

Does it really show that? I don't see anything except a guy with his hands in the air.

Anyway, you still miss the point that a police officer can't just shoot someone with no gun. Reaching into a window doesn't equal pointing a gun at officers.

here....why not brush up a little on the legal definition of the use of deadly force in law enforcement situations:

-------------Deadly force is generally defined as physical force which, under the circumstances in which it is used, is readily capable of causing death or serious physical injury. In order for deadly force to be justified there must be an immediate, otherwise unavoidable threat of death or grave bodily harm to yourself or other innocents. Deadly force is that force which could reasonably be expected to cause death or grave bodily harm.----------------

A tased guy laying on the ground is an unavoidable threat of grave bodily harm? This looks like another case of scared little boys (and a girl) trying to do a man's job and failing miserably, at the expense of someone's life. Police work is a man's job and there's not many of us who could do it. Part of that job is creating a positive outcome in situations where loss of life is not necessary.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by marlboroack

Fuck it

yeah, who cares... just another fucking murder

[Axeman]

I wish more officers would use tasers first as the male officer did, when a gun or knife is not present. you suspect he is reaching for something, then taser them. If a weapon is present already, that changes it.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Does it really show that? I don't see anything except a guy with his hands in the air.

I see three or four officers with guns pointed at a suspect and him walking away from them with his hands up in the air.

Originally Posted by bronco67

Anyway, you still miss the point that a police officer can't just shoot someone with no gun. Reaching into a window doesn't equal pointing a gun at officers.

I'm sorry but... The moment a police officer pulls their firearm and pulls it on you, you risk getting shot. If a police officer has their firearm pointed at you and you fail to obey that police officer, you risk getting shot. If a police officers has their firearm pointed at you and you fail to obey that officer and instead walk back to your car, you risk getting shot.

The moment a police officer pulls their firearm out, your world stops and you had better obey them. This man didn't.

I got pulled over in a full felony stop once; I knew I had done nothing wrong and I knew the police officers were in the wrong. But I knew at that exact moment none of that mattered, and that for the next sixty seconds I was going to have to grin and bare it and do what I was told to do. I ate some gravel and it was less then pleasant. That is the ONLY way to handle that situation. Any other way, and you risk getting shot.

[shimmy2]

what an amazing free country. and this is why people go expat

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by bronco67

He was guilty of being black in Whiteville, USA.

you are guilty of having simplistic points of view spoonfed by mainstream media.



is ignorance really bliss? You of all people should be able to let us know.

[gnawledge]

Try dealing with someone fucked up on K2, PCP, cocaine, meth and see how you'd handle it. There's more to the story than hands up and then getting shot. Plus anyone who is on planet earth is on social media and should probably not act the fool and turn away from the cops and put your hands in your waistband or pockets and even reach into a vehicle when being held at gunpoint. Everyone knows how volitile situations are these days. In regards to terrorism, everyone being on edge people should just expect a little eating of a shit sandwich for a few minutes until things calm down.

Police state Paul? People who say that obviously live in a country where muslims are taking over and your government isn't doing shit about it.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

great example the man that followed everything the cops said and got shot. not one shot from the firearm but multiple shots. this cop is on paid leave!

The cop has to be treated like anyone else in the same situation.

That's establishing in a court of law if the cop feared for his life and took the appropriate actions.

When the police are given a pass to kill someone who is mouthy. WE all have a problem.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The cop has to be treated like anyone else in the same situation.

That's establishing in a court of law if the cop feared for his life and took the appropriate actions.

When the police are given a pass to kill someone who is mouthy. WE all have a problem.

If walking a defenseless man with his hands in the air to his car while pointing four guns at him make you fear for your life, then maybe you should think about another line of work. These are some pure whitebread Oklahoma police who have it in their head "it's a black guy. My daddy told me about these things. If it breathes the wrong way I'm pulling the trigger. Even if it's tazed and on the ground with no gun."

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by gnawledge

Try dealing with someone fucked up on K2, PCP, cocaine, meth and see how you'd handle it. There's more to the story than hands up and then getting shot. Plus anyone who is on planet earth is on social media and should probably not act the fool and turn away from the cops and put your hands in your waistband or pockets and even reach into a vehicle when being held at gunpoint. Everyone knows how volitile situations are these days. In regards to terrorism, everyone being on edge people should just expect a little eating of a shit sandwich for a few minutes until things calm down.

Police state Paul? People who say that obviously live in a country where muslims are taking over and your government isn't doing shit about it.

Watch the video. This was murder.

They tasered him. That was enough.

No problem with Muslims here, they don't like the benefits system so even when put here, they move to Germany.

[MrBottomTooth]

Disobeying the cops should not be a death sentence. Where else does that even make sense?

Disobey your boss on the factory line by doing something unsafe that could hurt someone? Quick, execute him! Get into a vicious fist fight on the playground at school...quick teacher...shoot that kid! Get drunk and beligerent at a bar...quick bouncers. ..shoot him before he hurts you. Nurse dealing with a dementia patient that kicks her in the throat and threatens to kill her. Quick nurse, execute that man before he hurts someone else!

These cops are just cowards that think they're cowboys.

[MrBottomTooth]

Listen to the video when she says shots fired. The woman was completely terrified and sounded like she was ready to cry. This is why women shouldn't be allowed to be police. The coward should spend the rest of her life getting fingerbanged by big, black bull dykes in prison.

[bronco67]

If this was a white guy broken down in the road, would he have four officers pointing their guns at him and a helicopter circling above with the pilot saying "he looks like a bad dude" ?????

Seriously...WTF.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by gnawledge

Try dealing with someone fucked up on K2, PCP, cocaine, meth and see how you'd handle it. There's more to the story than hands up and then getting shot. Plus anyone who is on planet earth is on social media and should probably not act the fool and turn away from the cops and put your hands in your waistband or pockets and even reach into a vehicle when being held at gunpoint. Everyone knows how volitile situations are these days. In regards to terrorism, everyone being on edge people should just expect a little eating of a shit sandwich for a few minutes until things calm down.

Police state Paul? People who say that obviously live in a country where muslims are taking over and your government isn't doing shit about it.

This is just it - People say "this shouldn't happen" but have no idea what really goes on in the real world.

Police officers have dozens of interactions a day and most of them go smoothly. Yet every day they get hit, punched, kicked, smacked, bit, hair pulled, and spit on. You have to remember police officers are dealing with the bottom 5% or 10% of society. Dealing with criminals that are strung out on drugs constantly day after day grinds you down. If you deal with this hundreds or thousands of times a year, it's only a matter of time before something goes wrong.

Is is sad, tragic, and horrible this man died? Of course it is. But if he wasn't strung out on drugs and listened to police officers, he would surely be alive today.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by bronco67

If this was a white guy broken down in the road, would he have four officers pointing their guns at him and a helicopter circling above with the pilot saying "he looks like a bad dude" ?????

Seriously...WTF.

If he was strung out on drugs and not listening to police officers, then yes.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This is just it - People say "this shouldn't happen" but have no idea what really goes on in the real world.

Police officers have dozens of interactions a day and most of them go smoothly. Yet every day they get hit, punched, kicked, smacked, bit, hair pulled, and spit on. You have to remember police officers are dealing with the bottom 5% or 10% of society. Dealing with criminals that are strung out on drugs constantly day after day grinds you down. If you deal with this hundreds or thousands of times a year, it's only a matter of time before something goes wrong.

Is is sad, tragic, and horrible this man died? Of course it is. But if he wasn't strung out on drugs and listened to police officers, he would surely be alive today.

Where in the videos of this incident did you see the victim attacking the police?

Where in the reports does it say the police had any justification to shoot the victim?

[DBS.US]

What's the real story on why so many offices called to a stalled car call?

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Allow me to repeat myself... I've watched both videos.

The video from the helicopter makes it very clear what happened - Four officers had him at gun point, he refused to obey any orders, walked away from them, and back to his car and reached in the window.

Pretty hard to reach through a closed window, but you saw it so it must be true.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

What's the real story on why so many offices called to a stalled car call?

A police officer came across a car in the middle of the street. They stopped to investigate and found on a man on drugs acting erratically. By the time more officers showed up they were trying to take the man into custody and he refused all orders, and instead retreated back to his car.

[Rochard]

According to CNN, they found PCP in his car:
Tulsa police shooting: 5 discrepancies from Terence Crutcher's death - CNN.com

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by nico-t

you are guilty of having simplistic points of view spoonfed by mainstream media.



is ignorance really bliss? You of all people should be able to let us know.

Speaking of Whiteville....What the fuck would Asshole Number One Citizen of Whiteville know about race relations in the United States?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

have you watched the video? looked like they lined up to block the camera view it was odd. he was shot with his hands in the air. looks like there will be some more revenge dished out somewhere soon.

maybe, maybe not, you going to burn your place down?