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Fiddy porn filters

Barry-xlovecam

I am more interested if Google is disappointing the user and was the user will do in reaction. In other words; What will the user do as an alternative to Google (if he does that) and where might he go to find his porn?

Obviously. you would want to be in that place to present your offers to the user (outside of the Google *economy*) in this event (if it will happen).

klinton

right on comrade, why greed at all
enough is enough !

Klen

Despite popular believe, PORN keyword is not that profitable.

cybermike

Google Passion Hd.. used to have a nice position and now its filled with unrelated shit like fireworks.. same now for x art , filled with crap!

Hell search for emily grey.. its filled now with furniture !!

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femdomdestiny

I've just searched for the passion HD and got this

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3xmedia

returns porn sites (mostly tubes).

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j3rkules

That is right. Also got porn sites as results.

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cybermike

Well page 2 for that keyword is the junk.. anyway I was dropped from page 1 to page 2 so thats why I noticed

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tfto

Question for everyone. Have you noticed that your Google search results are different when you search for your sites from different locations?. At home, my search results show some of my sites on the top of page 1. When I search from another location, they are on page 2. Weird to say the least.

Denny

Yes, noticed... a few years ago.

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Big Data -- the CTR rate of the SERPs from different geo-locations influences the the *secret* Google SEO algorithm.

It's a CONSPIRACY!!!

rowan

As well as location there's also the filter bubble effect, where Google will show you more of the results it thinks you want to see, based on your past responses to searches.

The Porn Nerd

Yes this why I think porn webmasters will see porn results. It's not just based on your searches but also your browsing behavior.

Try doing searches for porn via a proxy and see what you get.

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cordoba

LOL, a lot of porn webmasters probably browse less porn than the average guy.

The Porn Nerd

LOL So true!

But I know I do a lot of checking on my own sites so maybe that's a factor?
When I do simple searches like 'MILFs' and 'blowjobs' I get 85% porn results from my own machine.

When I do the same searches via a proxy I get wild results, anywhere from 40% to 5% porn results.

Definitely less than what I get from my machine in my office.

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wankawonk

You can bypass personalized search results by opening a private browsing window. When I'm checking SERPs I do this because otherwise my sites rank higher than they should because Google thinks I like them cuz I check them all the time.

This won't remove location- and device-specific behavior, however.

Cyber Fucker

It's been like this for a few years now, that you have to use very specific adult keyword in many searched phrases to get an adult results.

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Speak for yourself please

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ianmoone332000

Yeah using google.co.uk for words like porn and i think the first porn site you see is actually position 8 wtf. The big tubes that were strong enough to be on the first page for single words like "porn" must be taking a hit traffic wise.

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thommy

no they do not want to disappoint but want to teach them how google works.

this semantic thing is years old and it became a bigger and bigger issue. but the users learned with the time how to get what they want by defining their searches.

if you look now in example in the video search (where it is clear what you want when you search for porn) you will see that it did not effect the video searches.
but here the big tubes with the embed videos will be the winner and not the crappy sites what just embed content from 3rd party.

content is still king - and not the content from a 3rd source - the OWN content.

why should google list 100.000 embed tubes before the original ?

99% of adult internet sites are copies or affiliate sites what are promoting others. why should google show the way from los angeles to new your by going over paris?

google looks more and more on the value for the user and they started that LONG ago while the industry still was discussing SEO fairytales they got the important information already from the user himself.

this will not be the end of porn but low quality will have no longterm chance in that game.

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thommy

but also this happend before.

what do you think showed up 15 years ago on the search "livecams" ?

and this is just one of the phrases what is gone over the years.

porn is a big key but it generates just 20% of the existing porn traffic.

extend it with whatever second key and you see the porn results again - do you think users will not find that out ?

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windstorm

I don't get what value user gets from Google books in adult search terms? I have posted in the original message what it shows for pure adult term search:

imgur.com/a/986ej

Yes, semantics has changed, you need to refine searches now to get actual adult content, but where's the quality when after big tubes, you get sites redirecting, Google books and news sites?

For my own site, if I search for domain key(pure adult term, unique made), after my site I see 3-4 results in top 10 with Google Books.

bns666

yeah way too many google books results for various terms

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Barry-xlovecam

'porn' as a freestanding word is a lousy keyword.
Most of my searches today are long tail but they are for things not related to the adult segment -- technical things usually (coding and software). But even on those type (SFW) searches I often get useless Google Books SERPs on the first page --Why?

If I can't copy and paste the important ideas or code snippits as my 'research' notes what good is the website?

Bottom line I refine my search terms to use more specific phraseology.

Same is true about porn -- you have to clarify your intent. Vicarious v. Moral or Legal Issues mostly. that is why the single keyword porn is bad for search. Adapt or die.

Google is brain dead these days.

windstorm

On the other hand, speaking of adult niche, if Google makes the search impossible for adult keys, then I prefer to go to Bing. Sure, Bing isn't perfect too, but makes life easier to find what I want.
From what I searched in past Google updates, there was at some point a period when Google Books were in top of searches, because they had few backlinks and Google was pushing them up in top along with low quality sites in order to filter them afterwards.

This is the usual practice, I've seen in many updates, low quality/bad sites etc pushed up between good sites in order to get filtered with next update. But I see now that update is kept on waiting list. That's the only explanation I have, otherwise that would be completely stupid from Google to do so. Google Books have zero value, that's clear.

Barry-xlovecam

As webmasters, I think we are a bit subjective about the quality of our own work. Google has always huffed and puffed but gets gamed constantly for years.

I see what you are talking about as being a disruption pain point in *searchengineland* and an opening for disruptive innovators.

If there was a good quality adult explicit interest search engine, one that was impartial and not some affiliate advertising crap, I think it could gain traction.

However, adult explicit interest is a relatively small market segment and one that VC's are not interested in as an adult explicit interest platform is not going to garner any real IPO payoff. It would be a straight equity ownership (private stock) investment from the start.

Bing is not really the solution but if Bing gets more porn traffic it is a good thing for now.

windstorm

There is also another issue noticed: porn monopoly. For many keys that I have searched, the big tubes are shown on first page, but from 2d page and so on, 90% shown are sfw results or random crap(as always Google books etc).

If Google only knows to show the big tubes, what's the point in using it for that? Just make a bookmark list of all the big tubes and that's it, all tubes have search tool inside. It ceases to be a helpful tool for what user wants. People tend to get bored of repetitive content, they will want something more special. Tubes can't offer that, they offer only amounts.

In the end, me like other webmasters, will adapt to situation. The goal is to offer quality content and more unique to surfers. We will adapt with traffic from Bing, duckduckgo etc, at least there is more stability there at the moment.

thommy

the point is that google reacts on usage and this is not a new issue it is just not blown out loud from the SEO bizzers because that means that you do not need them anymore.

on top of that google is showing individual results since YEARS (must be at least 10) what you simply can check by makeing a search, after that close the browser, delete all cookies from google and related (or better ALL) then open a private browser window and do the same search again and you will be astonished what you see than.

I was investigating this issue for years and could see how much more importance google gave on indivisual searches, holding time, pages viewed, jump off rate, links followed and all that stuff. additionally google is a machine and have to understand the logic of a page and it´s structure.
if i see how many pornsites still have tags like "grandma" or "socks" i don´t know how few knowledge about search engines is really around.

i really know many webmasters and their work but I can tell you that only this 0,01% of them who really did understand the thinking of google are the ones what make still A LOT of money. in fact those guys make MUCH more now as in the time when it was easier to fool google with links and other stuff what used the weakness of the algorythm.

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windstorm

Interesting that all big tubes gained huge in October, right after mid September update. For example, pornhub went from 2B to 3.4B visits / month (according to Similar Web). Huge! So again, if I am searching from a product in Google and all I get in G is amazon links in top 10, where is the point of G then?

I am pretty sure if Facebook/Amazon made own search engine, Google would be fucked big time. Google made deals with Apple, Mozilla and others to use by default their search engine. That means they are not that sure users would follow Google that much.

freek01

I now search for porn on google like this :
the keyword -xvideos -xhamster -pornhub
it is the only way to find other porn on google

PornDiscounts-V

Think of it this way... Google is now about intent.

So go after intent.

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it is very logic - because those are brands

but if someone is just searching for the key "porn" he does not say that he wants porn videos or porn pictures - he even did not say that he wants porn at all.
in such cases google MUST show him nonadult results because if not they will get under fire from the youth protectors.

UNWANTED CONFRONATION is the magic word and google needs arguments that they do all to prevent it. if not they would collide with nearly EVERY law in the world.
that have nothing to do with freedom of speech because every freedom ends where it
effects the freedom of others.

in that case we are talking about children who not even have this right to decide what they want to see. the parents have this right and they are the problem.

imagine you are the judge here and someone would work with the following argument:

if a 10 year old boy or girl have heard the word porn and want to know what it is - should the be porn movies as a first result or a word definition?

if google does not change it´s semantic they will be blocked soon in every country in the world - and that would be the end of google.

so to complain it is not the solution. you have to swim with the stream and the circumstances because users who WANT porn will always find it.

not one government in the world and no childprotector is so stupid to make the darknet famous by making it the one and only place to get porn. the problem there would be a MUCH bigger one.

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Klen

OR they could simply turn on SFW search by default unless declared otherwise.

thommy

save search is automaticly on since a long time and you can not switch it off when you are not logged into google.
but a google account is not an AVS.

if parents would be familar with all what is possible the problem would not exist but you can not force them to be professionals in computer sience just to "save" their kids from unwanted confrontation with porn.

I mean we do not have to complain the circumstances and we can not change them.
If an action makes sense or not, does not depend on our individual point of view.

I was fighting so many years in Germany against this dumb rules and what I have learned from it is that you can not discuss that issue with people who do not have the knowledge (and politicians are not computer specialists and even if they would be they would react that the dumbest voter will understand it).

our complete world is actually on the way to radical solutions, dictatorship and destroying individual freedom.

If you ever made a research about the position of porn in any kind of dictatorship you will understand that porn is on the way to be witch hunted.

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ianmoone332000

Fucking BBC in first position for the word porn

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It should be BBW, but Google fucked up,again

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Tubevideditor

Whats with all the book results on Google these days?
Pretty much any search i do ends up with book results on page 2

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Google has the best stats and they see how many people are stupid, so they decided to make people read more

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ianmoone332000

It would never happen but all the biggest porn sites should put something about using bing instead of google for porn right bang on there homepage

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Klen

Why? They still rank pretty good on google and getting decent traffic. They would do such thing only if google would ban them, and that probably would never happen.

oppoten

No, they hate white people.

mikeet

what........ wait? i dont get it??

mikeet

Stupid people just blow bye genius

ruff

Bing is porns best search engine. If the entire porn industry started promoted and mentioning Bing to members and surfers they would start a seismic shift away from Google and that would get their attention quickly.

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Klen

Except entire porn industry is not against it, so that wont work.

mopek1

Google is pretending to be moral by pushing porn aside (sfw search terms) and making public statements about how they don't like it etc...

But they're not taking it away completely because they would lose money. So, instead they push it further and further away and then test to see if they lost any traffic to bing/yahoo/duckduckgo and then if they do, adjust. They're pushing it right to the line and one day they may have people fed up and looking for a pure porn SE so that it doesn't take time to find what they want.

windstorm

Well yes, that is an interesting take about what Google is trying to do. But as I said before, what I dislike the most is that for clear adult terms, they show adult results mixed with shit (Google Books etc.)

If surfer is very specific about what kind of adult content wants to see, why not show more diverse adult results. What for to put that shit which has no value. It's almost like putting pure doorway sites there, garbage.

For the non specific adult terms like porn, sex, interracial etc I understand the mixing with non adult, but for the refined searches, give the damn good results.

Just tried again the combination "wife interracial fuck" and page 2 is still filled with Google Books shit. It is clear this has nothing to do with adult filtering, because Page 1 that gets the most of traffic is only filled with adult sites.

In present times, I feel more hate towards Google than ever before, maybe only surpassed by the infamous updates Penguin, Panda etc. In non adult there are many webmasters unhappy with Google's work and the bad communication from Google's part. Time will tell who is right. Sometimes I miss Matt Cutts )

mopek1

As soon as people or organizations CAN do whatever they want - through monopoly, no competition, getting very big etc. - then they generally do push their interests as far as they can regardless of what their users or the community wants, or, what is best for the users/public.

The entity will proclaim that they are doing everything to create a good USER EXPERIENCE, but that's just PR crap.

What Google (or should I say WE) need is competition for Google. With competition entities start to try to "please" users as much as possible by giving them what they want.

Ex: Tubes - giving content away free.

windstorm

So I search for long tailed keywords and the first 3 results are xvideos, which are actually searches within xvideos website.

What kind of shit is Google trying to show? It has become a bitch of xnxx, xvideos and pornhub lately. It's like they paid money to Google to be in top everywhere in adult.

Why would I need 3 results showing same content from xvideos? I could just search exact phrase in xvideos, why do I need Google for. And then lower on page you have 4 results of pornhub, 1 result xhamster, 1 xnxx and another one which is not a big tube like the others.

Great fucking quality from Google BullshitBrain AI. Right now it looks that all it needs is to spam hard with 1 million pages of titles and that's it, take hits from everywhere. I think it is more lucrative so, at least you cash money fast, get banned, make new sites and so on. Google's AI will never beat that.