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Good to know when you are brought up on charges you won't mind a prosecutor directing the FBI to raid your attorneys office.

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I wonder if this is much bigger than we think.

It seems the largest donation to the Trump Foundation was made by Victor Pinchuk, a Ukrainian, in 2015. Documents reveal this "donation" was for a "twenty minute video appearance". It seems a lot like someone from Russia was trying to buy influence from a Presidential candidate. (Yeah, perhaps you didn't notice this in the news tonight. Look it up. LOL.)

Then let's connect the dots.

Let's say Mueller found this payment, and is trying to tie it into the Stormy Daniels investigation. One hundred and fifty thousand dollars is a large donation, and very similar to the one hundred and thirty thousand dollar payoff to keep a porn star quiet. Mueller passes this information over to the FBI in NY and they start a new investigation, which resulted in the raid today.

Even if Trump fires Mueller, there is already a second investigation started.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/u...r-pinchuk.html

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beerptrol

If my attorney is dirty like Chump, then I don't mind.
Cohen wasn't raided just because he's Chump's attorney. He's just as dirty as Chump!

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Rochard

Do you understand exactly what the "deep state" is?

The "deep state" is the government employees who put their country, the law, and the entire US justice system above politics. They might not like who is in office, but they still have to do their jobs and do it properly. These are the people running the investigation right now, not like the bullshit completely partisan investigations Congress ran against Hillary.

This is fun to watch. Drip. Drip. Drip.

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Acepimp

Rosenstein better have a good lawyer. Searching for records about the payment to a porn star has nothing to do with Russia "collusion"

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The people involved from prosecutor to the judge are republicans. so suck it chumpanzees

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kane

My understanding is that Mueller found some information pertaining to Cohen and a possible crime during the course of his investigation and he turned it over to the FBI who then ran with it. Mueller and his team appear to have nothing to do with this, at least at the moment.

SuckOnThis

I have not seen Trump more unhinged and running scared as he was today. Guilt and fear is protruding out of every cell of his body.

beerptrol

Keep deflecting, there is more to it than that. Most likely bank fraud to start with. But you keep deflecting with your bullshit

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SuckOnThis

Your knowledge about this investigation is about as weak as your defense of child molesters.

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He may be mad but he knows what's next. And so do they, that's why they pulled this last desperate act. They don't have shit on Trump so they hoped to find it at his lawyers office. One additional crime isn't going to matter to them now. Either they find something HUGE on Trump or they all go down real soon.

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I think we all know what's next. Trump and his kids are all going to get gang raped in prison.

kane

I thought Mueller and the whole team were actually investigating Hillary and Obama. Why would they give information about a Trump associate to the FBI?

Acepimp

What bank fraud? You know that it's legal to pay someone for a NDA, right?

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It was announced several weeks ago that Mueller was now investigating the Donald's finances, business as well as personal. A Special Prosecutor is not limited as to what he may investigate as the past history of Special Prosecutors has demonstrated. Rosenstein by the way will not need a lawyer either good or bad.

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30 year friend of Jeff Sessions, Mark Levin calls for him to resign. https://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/n...ons-to-resign/

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Steve Rupe

I don't think the nut case is pushing that line of his delusions anymore.

BaldBastard

Exactly! nothing illegal in that, of course it would depend on where the money came from ;)

Anyone on this porn board could of predicted Trumps reaction this even Markham, so we can certainly say Mueller would do as well

You don't go get a warrant on a presidents good friend and personal lawyer who has offices at the presidents home address, unless your ass is double lead covered and you have something with certainty beyond a doubt.

Everybody at each step, was well aware their jobs and future were on the line when making any decisions to issue a warrant and go in.

What ever they have on Cohen he's certainly fucked, Trump is Cohen's only client.

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You lefties need to jump in a praise Sessions for the good job he's doing. If his friend of 30 years is calling for him to step down he needs your support now more than ever.

"The referral to the U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York was approved by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-mueller-probe

Looking forward to what you have to say after the bombs are dropped

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astronaut x

He is also going after weed and prostitution. You seem to have a habit of not understanding basic political and social definitions.

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You seem to have a habit of not understanding reverse psychology.

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Rochard

This is the "deep state". Career law enforcement officials who follow the leads no matter were they go.

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Rochard

Not at all. If a NDA violates the law, it's not legal at all.

In this case, if Candidate Trump made a payment via his attorney it might be perfectly legal. However, if Candidate Trump's attorney made the payment out of his own pocket to benefit the candidate, that is considered an political contribution, which is in fact illegal. Of course, then the attorney has violated the law as well as Trump (lol don't tell me Trump didn't know about a $130k payoff).

Now... If it turns out the payment did not come from the attorney's pocket and instead came from a foreign country, that too is in violation of the law.

Then again if the NDA is an attempt to cover up some other illegal act - such as adultery - well that might make it illegal too.

No matter what happened, laws were broken.

It doesn't really matter. Now a second investigation has been officially opened up into Trump.

Drip. Drip. Drip.

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Rochard

You know they have something on Cohen. They wouldn't be raiding an Trump's attorney's office unless they had something big. It's very rare that they do this - they don't do it while "looking" for information.

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So what would Trump be charged with that Bill Clinton was not? You are aware there were MANY payoffs to women he raped right?

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Acepimp

^^^ Rochard thinks paying some chick for a NDA is the same as donating to the campaign! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not a campaign contribution.

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Steve Rupe

Judge Nap says that it is. Where is your law degree dumb ass?

Rochard

A) No, I wasn't aware of any payoffs made by President Clinton.

B) What does President Clinton have to do with any of this? Why is the standard defacto Republican defense always "Bill Clinton" or Hillary Clinton"?

Benghazi!

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GAMEFINEST

Cohen fucked up, He knew he fucked up when he was paying of stormy daniels. He almost got away with it.

Now he will be the Fall Guy.

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Pointing out your double standard?

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My bet is Rosenstein will be fired. Many will cry foul and then the IG report drops implicating him in the "Russia collusion" scam. It was Rosenstein who signed the last FISA app. He's also the one who advised Trump to fire Comey and then is supposedly investigating it. His wife represented Obama. Clinton, Comey, Mueller and others over the years.

Game is over, Trump has already won. The losers are flipping over them game board and will scream "cheater"

Lynch just tossed Comey under the bus.

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astronaut x

Yes, keep thinking that.

Same reason Hillary lost the last election.

Rochard

What double standard? I don't remember what Clinton did in office, and I don't care. Did he do anything wrong? Did he do anything illegal? Seems not.

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INever

This is just 7 months of the Clinton haul while she was Secretary of State.

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GAMEFINEST

Fbi spent hours at cohen hotel room.

Cohen better become a witness or enjoy retiring soon in lawsuits

Good luck!

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Ok, let's go with Clinton did no wrong. So what has Trump done that's illegal? Let me guess? You don't know and maybe we'll find out from the raid on his lawyers office? What part of there never was a crime being investigated to begin with do you not understand? "Collusion" isn't a crime. It's always been about investigating to uncover a crime. They have to find something on Trump or they are going to be tried for treason.

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Steve Rupe

Collusion is just a simplified speak for a crime as explained by Judge Nap. "They have to find something on Trump or they are going to be tried for treason" Another one of your delusions.

Acepimp

Collusion is not a crime. And you are the delusional one here. Rosenstein and the FISA abuse actors are guilty of serious crimes.

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Let's break down Poltico's explanation of that.


"For example, if Donald Trump Jr. sought “dirt” on Hillary Clinton from the Russians, he might be charged with conspiring to violate the election laws of the United States, which prohibit foreign nationals from contributing any “thing of value” to an electoral campaign."

So Hillary paying for "dirt" and her conspirators using said dirt to obtain a FISA warrant isn't a crime. But DT Jr possibly seeking it is...

"The opposition dirt is at least plausibly a thing of value. And to the extent that the Trump campaign aided, abetted or advised the Russians (or any other hackers) about what would be most useful to steal from the Democrats or how best to enhance the impact of their release, they may well have violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. "

Grasping at straws

"Of course, none of this excuses the apparent cover-up, which is often as bad as the original crime. Lying to the federal government in your registration forms or your security application is a false statement."

Lying to obtain a FISA warrant?

"Using the wires to perpetrate your crime is often wire fraud."

LOL

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...llusion-215366

You can't start an investigation to discover a crime. You have to have a crime and then the investigation.

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Chumpanzees are out in full force deflecting and spinning.

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Now he'll fire sessions, rosenstein, and start the process. Repubs won't remove him, then blue house will impeach, repubs won't remove him, then he'll either be voted out in 2020 or have 4 more years.

Mueller is gone; and the dogs of war are among us.

2MuchMark

From what I've read the raid is unrelated.

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It's an investigation into possible bank fraud. The news is reporting that a Delaware company was setup and funds were transferred from it the next day just before the election. Something about it raised a ref flag at the bank apparently. This and maybe other things like this is what started the investigation.

..but it might be. Trump didn't pay her - his lawyer did, and did so right before the election, hence, and investigation. You don't have to hand cash to Trump or his campaign for it to be a contribution. Let the investigation take place and let's see what happens.

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Matt-ADX

So we talked about Russia Russia Russia for 2 straight years, looks like thats dead now. So what straws are we going to grasp at for the next 2 years?