JSWENSON

2)

TUBE SITE, 1 MILLION VISITORS PER DAY. BUY BANNER ADS FOR ONLY $XX PER 1000 IMPRESSIONS. SELL ANYTHING LEGAL.

There you go Paul, now you have two ways to make money in porn without buying high end content or any at all.

thommy

paul does not have the very smallest clue of internet marketing as he never did it.
he thinks 50% to an affiliate is too much - but direct buying companies are spending 70-80-90% of their revenue in ads buying.
so the 50% affiliates are actually not overpaid they got fucked because they have send the traffic on their own risk also.

if you really mean pay per sale with "PPS" 35 dollars are peanuts.
someone who can only pay this price must have a conv-rate above the moon or he can not play the traffic buying game.

that´s why you can not see classic member programs with ads because they simply can not pay the price.
whenever you see an ad of a classic membersite in a porn tube it is in exchange for content or the site is owned by the tube owner or you have such a strange location and browser fingerprint that nobody else booked it and you see simply fallback banners.


i have seen really a lot of dumbs in 23 years but paul tops them all. he seems to have a learning allergy or maybe he is really not able to count 1+1 together or he simply need to deny everything for his own ego because to admit would mean to admit that he was not more than any other fool who could make money with no skills in the first few years when internet came up.

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I used $35 because it's what programs were paying last I even looked. I am a webcam degenerate that uses Revshare only and I think the 20% there is way more than fair.

thommy

they are dominating the video search because at the end it is their chanonical that google finds in the video.
but don´t underestimate this "search tubes" with no own content - they get millions of visitors each day when they are smart onpage SEOed.

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thommy

if you work with real traffic (and this is what actually everybody should do) revshare is on the long run the most profitable.

CPA was only made for media buyers that need the return fast to invest it again and with this fast reinvest it also makes sense for them.

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I'm trying! I'm trying!

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I'm not saying ignore things like back links. I'm saying when you get a surfer the thing that keeps him is the content, the thing you sell him onto is the content, the reason he's online is the content. Next in a crowded market it comes down to the quality of the content.

And that's where most of us fell down, we thought cheap mediocre content would do the job if we got the traffic tools right. So point out the proof by showing us the badcontent sites with a lot of surfers on them because they have all the back links and other traffic tools.

I can show you the proof of my argument.

Free sites
xvideos.com
xnxx.com
pornhub.com
xhamster.com
xvideos2.com

Paysites
Brazzers
BangBros
MofosNetwork
RealityKings
Babes Network

Waiting for replies from those who insist it's more about getting the traffic when they prove it by showing the shit sites with great traffic.

We don't need to imagine it, play games with gambling that brings in average $5,000 customers, tell stories of bakers, etc. We can look at the proof and judge.

Will someone quote Thommy if he ever proves mainstream is advertising on porn sites in a bigger way than presently gambling and dating do.

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If this is the limit of what's available the answer is yes. In 1964 the hardest type of porn I could get was girls in bikinis and these.

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fuzebox

You don't think religious social standards has anything to do with that?

1964

In the 90s cable tv brought free porn to your home.

MaDalton

you have to give Paul that - nobody makes threads with more views than he does currently.

that he sacrifices whatever could have been his legacy over that is a different topic but then again: what do you care what people think about you when you are dead.

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Paul got me to post on GFY again

Jazzix

[QUOTE=JSWENSON;22574214]CAN YOU JERK OFF TO THIS?



That's actually not too bad. Brings back memories of jerking off to the bra and panties section of my mother's Simpson Sears catalogue

The Porn Nerd

Fun Fact: one of Olivia's models became the pornstar Norma Jeane, who yes resembled Marilyn Monroe. I had a MAJOR crush on this all-natural blonde back in the day. Not sure if the bottom pic is her but that's the "type".

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sadiedazzle

paul is a traffic generating machine. Always has been. And the questions and answers are always the same...for the last freeking 20 years.

I wanna know why I can't successfully post a you tube link here. I highlight the link, hit the wrap youtube tags option...and this happens. Help.

The Porn Nerd

And yet Paul claims to NOT know how to generate traffic.

Irony.

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Paul Markham

I know how to generate traffic. You submit something people want to consume, they come. What I find difficult and a poor reward versus what I did do was drive the huge numbers it takes to sell porn.

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It doesn't matter why, we still jerked off to the sexiest thing we could find. Today we are given a huge amount of porn for free, so we jerk off to it and few pay.

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People still think it's traffic that makes people buy, it just takes 10,000s to sell something.

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JSWENSON

Where would you submit that, somewhere with traffic?

And porn doesn't take huge numbers to sell. The numbers you are using are inflated by design. A banner ad on the side of a video is not targeted traffic. The end.

Paul Markham

I would love it if mainstream advertising came in and competed on price for clicks. Because if it leads to a sharp rise in the price Tubes will have to think long and hard at what they do to attract more unique surfers.

The obvious way to do that is to launch exclusive channels. The only place you can consume Mindgeek's content for free would be on a MG Tube for instance. Because MG own MG content. They would have to extend these offers to other companies, keeping their banners so keeping sign ups, and paying them more per view.

It all depends on the price people are ready to pay for clicks, at the moment it's nt enough, can it climb? Then it's down to attracting the traffic.

Once more Content drives traffic, not the other way around.

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Ah the old chicken and the dumbass conundrum.

Why in the fuck would MG want to limit the free porn they provide to one site vs thousands? The entire purpose is to get more views to find those that want to get all of their content. Limiting it to 1% of the market will do fuck all but make them less money.

And just how fucking much do you think someone should pay for a banner ad on a fucking tube site Paul? Most traffic is mobile, they won't even see the damn thing. You are focusing on one kind of traffic that is its own God damned thing and doesn't provide commentary on the industry. You can also piss away your money on banner ads on a ton of other sites that aren't porn. Banners have been shit at getting clicks compared to integration since I started in 2001. They serve an entirely different purpose for mainstream companies. You using the views / ratios of a tube site to judge the industry is so ridiculous and shortsighted that it's dumber than your usual comments.

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if you only knew a little bit about it, you wouldn't make such stupid statements and make yourself a clown.

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thommy

alone the answer "i submit to some page that KNOWS HOW TO GENERATE traffic says all what in paul´s mind is going on.

if it would be THAT easy how many other would be able to do the same and how much is left when a billion dollars is shared through 1 million uploaders ?

the old fart simply can not calculate and this is his main problem.


well we are a quite small network that works mainly in the german speaking market but I can tell you that 98% of my revenue this year was made from people that do not sell porn videos or classic member porn sites.
if i would lose this 2% the other 98% would love to buy this traffic.

only around 10% of our overall revenue is even porn (wich includes livecams, amateur and other porn related offers).

90% of the complete revenue have NOTHING to do with the income that pornsites made in the 90s and beginning 21st century.

and paul is WAITING that others than porn advertisers come to this market - what a fucking dumbnut. they are already here since more than a decade.

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Sure, I just mean that Paul has for years gone "it's converting 1 in 1000 which is terrible!!!!!!!!!!" but he's using other peoples numbers because he has none.

My iFriends ratio was 1:12 for a long time. Chaturbate might be 1:3000 if I use embeds that aren't super targeted on the side of 50k videos. Those first click popups and everything else get factored into the ratios he's using.

And he also brings up 'it takes 5000 video viewers to get _________' but of course it does. Banners have never gotten clicked on like a text link that is part of your own site content and promotion. He's comparing apples to pet rocks.

thommy

the point is that paul does not even know the difference between an impression and a click and he does not know the difference between a click from a fake banner that is used on CPM to catch as much clicks as possible and a click that comes from a banner that promotes the product.

he also don´t understand that there is nothing like a clickprice because a click on an early impression is always more expensive as a click on a late impression.

I haven´t seen conv rates on 1:5000 in my life - not even on pops.
traffic with such a conversion rate would be sold so cheap that nobody can live from it and the traffic that is made just with the advertising would cost more than the result can be.

and this is why a member porn site can not pay 0,20-0,25 for a single click. because they convert not better than 1:500 or less. and that´s why other products can pay even more for a single click because they convert better and have a much higher lifetime revenue.

i don´t know why this is so hard to understand for paul that things are automatically move to where they make more.
I have webmasters in my network that have been happy 10 years ago to make 10-15 k with affiliate marketing.
now they leave this for that ones who know what they are do and the same publishers make 50, 60 or 70 k per month because they spend all their time in traffic generation and establishing more sites.

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When they start telling you about average customers spending $5,000 and mythical bakers. They need to be removed from the conversation.

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thommy

the one that should be removed is you because of your learning allergy.

being on your block list is an award for everyone and a sign that he is able to use his brain.

you and the 2-3 brain patients, who are as unworldly as you are, should actually be given their own subforum. There you can exchange your conspiratorial ideas and find guilty people for all your misery.

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Creating unique, different content that stands out in a saturated market is hard and unless the creator is launching his own site hiring someone is expensive. No professional was interested in shooting the cheap content so many were buying. So the few who were shooting for themselves or were prepared to pay decent money were immediately separated from the rest.

Perfect Gonzo were a great example of how the content creator was what separated their site from so many others. He was offered better money by Evil Angel and changed companies.

Same traffic, lower conversion rates.

Today top porn sites are all top because their content converts better than the rest. They only get more traffic because more affiliates push them, because they earn more with them.

Yet people with content that doesn't convert nearly as well will tell you the problem is they can't find enough people to buy it and the solution is to find more people who won't buy.

Because they can only afford to push more traffic at sites that don't convert because the cost of decent content is beyond them.

High earning solo models are high earning because people will pay for them and not another girl, not because of their ability to push traffic. No matter how much traffic you push at a model or site, the last decision is down to the surfer does he get his card out or not.

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JSWENSON

Lets go sentence by sentence.

Wrong.

Wrong.

Wrong.

Wrong.

Wrong.

Wrong.

Etc.

PornDude

Why do you have this discussion?

You need to have both two elements.

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Np one is suggesting anything different but only one can be king. Will traffic gurus send their traffic to sites that don't convert or to site that do? Can people with badly converting sites afford to buy traffic?

Even today with the dominance of the industry by Tubes, the biggest content dumps ever, some idiots tell you it's all about back links, even disputing the amazing stats the major Tubes have. By drawing the parallel with non porno sites.

So the massage still hasn't got through to everyone.

Content is KING. Traffic follows content.

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If you start talking about "Traffic versus Content, which one is King?" , then you are talking about
google rankings/traffic and not paid traffic.In this case content is always king.Even if you have a shit site ,
there are people who search for it , finds it & buys this content.

If you want to promote a shit site with (in your opinion shit content) , you have to find the
right paid traffic to convert it.

There is no shit traffic besides bot traffic.
You just need the right offer/content for every traffic.

thommy

this !!!

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Dont post the entire link - Just the code at the end after the 'v=' part.

So if the full URL to my video was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDWIJ6hsWwA Id just use the CDWIJ6hsWwA part...

Highlight CDWIJ6hsWwA with the youtube tags and you'll get this...

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Paul Markham

You're talking about delivering the surfer to the site when you talk of google rankings/traffic.

This is just one step of the sales process. The ultimate on whether enough surfers buy to make the whole thing profitable depends on content, whether the surfer renews a membership depends on content, whether the surfer returns to the site to buy again depends on content, whether affiliates send traffic depends on the money they receive in return which again depends on content.

The argument that "someone will buy it if I have enough traffic", doesn't cover the cost of creating it and building a site. So if you do it as a hobby and prepared to lose money, fine by me.

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Selling anything is dominated by "will enough people like it to pay for it so I make a profit?".

Not "can I throw enough traffic at it to find someone to buy it?".

In porn that difference is finding the right models, knowing how to direct her in a scene. Even amateur needs directing if the model is doing it wrong. Then capturing the angles poses, shots that separate it from the rest of the herd. In porn that's essential even before the Internet, every editor was swamped with wannabee porn photographers work and selected only the ones who knew what they were doing.

Because the content decides on the profitability of the sites and claiming it's about traffic is false. You can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink. You can send a surfer to a site but can't make him buy. Your stats have told you that for the last 25 years. 1-50 means 49 didn't buy, weren't easily led, you weren't in control, made their own mind up.

1-10,000 means you have no control over surfers except by offering them something they want and throwing more traffic at it is not going to improve anything.

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the best is when nobody answers anymore on his crap.
then he can talk alone with the other 2 or 3 shrink brains that are on his level.

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The job of an affiliate is to attract people already looking for a product and direct them to a products seller. So far affiliates have praised their role in doing just that as if it's vitally important to the industry.

In porn without image content of some kind it's hard to to send those people onto a site unless it's a review site based on the content in the site. More often content is used to persuade the surfer to visit the site and look at what it offers and make their own mind up. Ratios tell you how good affiliates are. How many views do they need to create one sale? In the days of TGPs it was anything between 500 and 1,000 views to get a sale. So they're not in charge of anything. Today JT admitted he got 1-35,000 views to get a sale on a tube. His content is a cut above a lot of others.

Ratios won't improve by finding more surfers, they will only improve by finding better content. That's been the way of porn for decades and is still the way.

Should Thommy or JSWENSON post links to prove me wrong, be sure to quote them so I can see where I'm wrong. While they babble on I have more important things to do than read their dribble.

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Actual representation of me clicking this thread:

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Who would have though 35,000 views from people seeking out free porn would be needed to get a signup to a paysite!

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This is one of the most funny things I ever read on here...

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thommy

wich would be on a CTR of 1% already a conversion rate of 1:350.
but 1% CTR would be very high as on a regular tubesite a user sees already 6-8 banners per page - so it would need a fake banner that converts low.
but if the CTR on the banner was low (wich means it was not a fakebanner) the CTR should not be higher than 0,2% and that leads to a conversion rate of 1:70.

the old moron does not know what he is talking about as he missmatch visitors, pageviews, adviews and adclicks. for him is all the same.
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Paul: If you build it they will come.

Also Paul: Built it. Didn't come. Blamed affiliates and those smart enough to buy a good percentage of the market share.

Paul Markham

Companies like yours have benefited from the way the Internet treated the product they sold.

If better professionals had been engaged to shoot content you would never have got started. The good thing for you and companies like you is better professionals were never going to work for the price they were offered. We all earned more money elsewhere.

The few people who understood how porn online differed little from porn offline made contact with professionals who were able to build sites with their vast inventory, money and experience at doing the essential part of selling porn. The creation of a product that stood out from the content being produced by people who could never compete at a higher paying level.

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MaDalton

not sure if compliment or insult - but thank you

my flat and my investments don't care what you think - and also not my new business that I financed with the money I made from porn.

And merry christmas, Paul - enjoy it - don't waste your time on earth on a porn webmaster board.

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Paul Markham

It's a fact.

The problem was companies paying outside producers were never paying enough to get good content shot by experienced professionals. Even in the case of companies like Twistys and Sapphic Erotica they couldn't pay the price magazines were paying and certainly not the money DVD companies were paying.

They either employed or partnered with professionals, bought in for cut prices or shot it themselves. Very very few had the talent, know how, access to models to compete. How many exclusive solo girl set and videos sold for as much as they did just off your stores?

$500 for an exclusive solo girl set and video is a good price. Any set and video that didn't make more than $500 off our stores was pretty useless and the girl very poor. When they offered $1,500 for 5 set and videos I knew they were buying stuff no pro would shoot. We earned more shooting readers wives pictures.

Good luck with your new venture, most of the professionals I know are enjoying their retirement on the money we made.

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Money is still KING

Shitty content and traffic will give you Money

Awesome content and no traffic will give you a nice spank bank.

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thommy

the problem is that many from the good old days thought like paul thinks.
they are all replaced from people that understand the biz - just paul is nailed here and will deny the logic with his selfmade facts and wrong understanding til the day he dies.

but what else can he do?
trolling the boards is the cheapest way to kill time for an old loser.

asking paul how to make money is like asking a starving kid in the third world where there's the best 5-course menu.

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