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Old 04-01-2021, 05:27 PM   #1
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When Can We Travel Again?

Amazingly 80% of domestic flights in the United States are already full! Most airlines have stopped the every-other-seat-is-empty policy. But is it really safe to get on a plane and sit RIGHT NEXT TO SOMEONE for hours in a flying metal torpedo??

You still have to quarantine for two weeks if you come to America from another country (Eddie Murphy not withstanding). But even when these restrictions are lifted would you feel entirely safe to take advantage of the "new normal" and start flying around the world like you did pre-2020?

And what about the European shows in the Fall (Amsterdam, Prague, etc)? Are we still going to have them or will we need to wait another year until 2022? I, for one, am sick and tired of talking to people in boxes on screens.

When will life get back to normal? Will "normal" ever be here again? Will I ever be able to fuck a whore in the Red Light District without wearing a mask??

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I'm going to have to say "I don't Know" to all of your questions.
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I am seeing covid cases going UP while millions of people are being vaccinated daily. So a few weeks ago I would have said we would be past the worst of it by May-June. But now?
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Hehehehehe NEW LOCKDOWN iN EUROPE and france have closed EVERYTHING ;)

new version of covi19 detected due this reason count another Year wasted expect if your fly attendent

FUCK This pandamic will make People Suffer either rich or poor
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Essential restricted travel , second part 2021

Free non restricted travel like before covid19 showed up , end 2022 early 2023

No shows for 2021 is my wild guess, Czech Republic is a cluster fuck at the moment with covid19. France just entered total lockdown and Germany looks like will follow.
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Essential restricted travel , second part 2021

Free non restricted travel like before covid19 showed up , end 2022 early 2023

No shows for 2021 is my wild guess, Czech Republic is a cluster fuck at the moment with covid19. France just entered total lockdown and Germany looks like will follow.
This shit will last for Long Years as it was already confirmed by so many experts but noone care of thier talks and now we seeing how things goes, each month new version and new year new virus
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Damn! I thought with all this vaccination things would be getting better! But apparently not.
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Essential restricted travel , second part 2021

Free non restricted travel like before covid19 showed up , end 2022 early 2023

No shows for 2021 is my wild guess, Czech Republic is a cluster fuck at the moment with covid19. France just entered total lockdown and Germany looks like will follow.
Actually numbers in CZ are finally going down, if it continue as this i predict how lockdown will be lifted in may.
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Damn! I thought with all this vaccination things would be getting better! But apparently not.
It will..... but in year 2025
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It will..... but in year 2025
But will Show Park be around in 2025??

You see THIS is how I will know when it is ok to travel: when I can pay 80 euro for a 24 hour pass to Show Park and get my freak on with Romanian and Estonian sluts.

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Amazingly 80% of domestic flights in the United States are already full! Most airlines have stopped the every-other-seat-is-empty policy. But is it really safe to get on a plane and sit RIGHT NEXT TO SOMEONE for hours in a flying metal torpedo??

You still have to quarantine for two weeks if you come to America from another country (Eddie Murphy not withstanding). But even when these restrictions are lifted would you feel entirely safe to take advantage of the "new normal" and start flying around the world like you did pre-2020?

And what about the European shows in the Fall (Amsterdam, Prague, etc)? Are we still going to have them or will we need to wait another year until 2022? I, for one, am sick and tired of talking to people in boxes on screens.

When will life get back to normal? Will "normal" ever be here again? Will I ever be able to fuck a whore in the Red Light District without wearing a mask??

- Coffeeshops will be closed for tourist and red light district will be gone. Has to do with the political party's in Amsterdam, not with corona. They don't want stoned tourist in a red light district. Only visit the museums.

- Everywhere Americans here on holiday in Mexico. And many Canadians that stayed cause they couldn't get a flight home. That is possible, but than first fly to the USA. (that is how it works, cut direct flights so people have to travel more).

- They want to let people wear mask for some more years and stop events. So i guess the next even better be held outside Europe? There could also be corona test, also anal available when you don't want to get something in your nose.

- Life will be normal when everybody thinks, we have enough of it, and just ignore every rule.
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So are you now going to get rid of the rose colored glasses?
They are slowly turning into brown-colored shit-stained spectacles.

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- Coffeeshops will be closed for tourist and red light district will be gone. Has to do with the political party's in Amsterdam, not with corona. They don't want stoned tourist in a red light district. Only visit the museums.
Without coffee shops and Red Light Amsterdam will lose 85% of tourists and then the Dutch will start advertising sex clubs at bus stops like Praha does.

Besides, museums are all in the outer ring. City centrum will be a ghost town, Dam Square empty and Centraal Station a little tram stop. PLEASE smart Dutchies don't be idiots here! Think of the e-u-r-o-s lost!!

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- Life will be normal when everybody things, we have enough of it, and just ignore every rule.
So like end of May? LOL
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They are slowly turning into brown-colored shit-stained spectacles.
Unfortunately there are many of us that are now
paying the price for your rose colored glasses.

We've had our lives screwed over not because
of politicians but because of the mindless drones
that obeyed them without question.

Now it wouldn't be so bad except that we had
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Congratulations, this is the new normal and it's
not going back to the way things used to be.
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Without coffee shops and Red Light Amsterdam will lose 85% of tourists and then the Dutch will start advertising sex clubs at bus stops like Praha does.

Besides, museums are all in the outer ring. City centrum will be a ghost town, Dam Square empty and Centraal Station a little tram stop. PLEASE smart Dutchies don't be idiots here! Think of the e-u-r-o-s lost!!



So like end of May? LOL
Yes, end of may if they allow international travel within Europe. Germany is in lockdown now, even the hotels are closed. So many went to Mallorca.

The clue is, they don't want more tourist in Amsterdam. They have enough. So the political party's try to stop it, also by banning airbnb. And than they want the group of museum and culture lovers instead of the red light and coffeeshop visitors.
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Travel is fine. You just die sooner. Coronaviruses are not new and won't be the last just like the last few got extra attention.
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The problem is...

1 Covid cases go down...
2 Restrictions loosen...
3 Covid cases start to rise....

This is like the 3rd or 4th time they did this.... every time they loosen restrictions, cases increase. But getting back to business is more important than our health so....

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But will Show Park be around in 2025??

You see THIS is how I will know when it is ok to travel: when I can pay 80 euro for a 24 hour pass to Show Park and get my freak on with Romanian and Estonian sluts.

(Fuck Club Darling btw.)
Show park ? That is tourist trap
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Here in Greece from this Monday (5/4) will open the small shops again for click away or appointment to buy something but u have 3 hours per day to do your shopping like this (clothes, electronics, etc).

Also SMS to go out (for the doctor, work, personal workout, supermarket shopping, etc) for 2 hours stills.

Tourism will open this summer from May and I think if u want to work in the tourism industry or food & drink industry u must vaccinate.

Here every day we have about 3000 cases and 40-70 deaths.

Till now about 1.135.593 people took 1 dose and 641.909 the second.

But opened new mega vaccination centers for more people take the dose every day.
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Yes, end of may if they allow international travel within Europe. Germany is in lockdown now, even the hotels are closed. So many went to Mallorca.

The clue is, they don't want more tourist in Amsterdam. They have enough. So the political party's try to stop it, also by banning airbnb. And than they want the group of museum and culture lovers instead of the red light and coffeeshop visitors.
Yes I understand what they want to do but it will not be successful and will cost the Dutch Government billions of dollars. People want sex and drugs more than they want to look at a Chagall painting or see the tiny room where Anne Frank lived.

Nederlanders love money more than they love museums, politics or anything else and when the Red Light/coffee shops go away watch what happens to the country.


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No I thought Club Darling was the tourist trap! Show Park seemed to be more for locals. PM me the places I should go when CZ opens up again please!
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Yes I understand what they want to do but it will not be successful and will cost the Dutch Government billions of dollars. People want sex and drugs more than they want to look at a Chagall painting or see the tiny room where Anne Frank lived.

Nederlanders love money more than they love museums, politics or anything else and when the Red Light/coffee shops go away watch what happens to the country.
They didnt get rid of the RLD, they are just moving it to a more hotel like setting outside the city. Tourists will still find their way there.

I agree that the Dutch dont really want stoned/drunk horny tourists but they really dont want them in the center of Amsterdam. I think this is more of a land grab than anything else. The De Wallen has very expensive property, and they dont want prostitutes and drug dealers owning it. This is basically gentrification.

Unless Europe gets its act together, I doubt there will be shows in Europe in 2021. I dont think travel to the EU will be all that possible. I live in the NL and we are being told (lied to) that everyone will be vaccinated by July.

I got my first shot last week and I am high risk (cancer/kidney issues). I dont even have an appt for the 2nd jab. I simply dont see how any EU country can get to herd immunity through vaccination any earlier than Fall 2021.
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We are not allowed to travel.. I live in country with huge number of active cases so ther will be no vacation for as this summer
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They didnt get rid of the RLD, they are just moving it to a more hotel like setting outside the city. Tourists will still find their way there.

I agree that the Dutch dont really want stoned/drunk horny tourists but they really dont want them in the center of Amsterdam. I think this is more of a land grab than anything else. The De Wallen has very expensive property, and they dont want prostitutes and drug dealers owning it. This is basically gentrification.

Unless Europe gets its act together, I doubt there will be shows in Europe in 2021. I dont think travel to the EU will be all that possible. I live in the NL and we are being told (lied to) that everyone will be vaccinated by July.

I got my first shot last week and I am high risk (cancer/kidney issues). I dont even have an appt for the 2nd jab. I simply dont see how any EU country can get to herd immunity through vaccination any earlier than Fall 2021.
I have to reach out to you and touch base. Sorry I have been so absent (you will understand why when we speak). I understand why the Dutch are gentrifying the centrum but they will see a dip in revenue that will be alarming. Sure tourists will go to the outer rim and beyond for sex & drugs but not enough to replace the constant flow of Centraal Station tourists who pop in for a debaucherous weekend.

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We can travel as long as you have your shots and you don't mind spending the first two weeks of your trip in an often overpriced quarantine.

Now as far as fucking ho's goes without a mask... that all depends where you want to go

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Yes I understand what they want to do but it will not be successful and will cost the Dutch Government billions of dollars. People want sex and drugs more than they want to look at a Chagall painting or see the tiny room where Anne Frank lived.

Nederlanders love money more than they love museums, politics or anything else and when the Red Light/coffee shops go away watch what happens to the country.
Then you go to Den Haag, Rotterdam or Haarlem.
If you know Amsterdam you avoid any Coffeeshops there, they are all full of chemical, non-flushed buds everywhere.
Even the so-called Top 10 Shops are selling stuff you never should inhale.
People use Telegram nowadays, because for 400 Euros you get 100 grams excellent weed of quality you wouldn´t find in any Amsterdam Coffeeshop

Also tell me any real sex club in Amsterdam... They do not really exist....
The list was getting smaller and smaller since 2007 and most of the few ones are not really like a real sex club. You even can´t take a shower there, except for Prive 42.
Salon Bali sux balls, because those shabby housewife chix offering there service without condom.
Meanwhile there are private pages, so you would visit a hobby prostitute at home directly.

Amsterdam and sex is so overrated and the redlight window area always has been fucked up and never had the level of real German redlight area or sex club, man!
It´s just good for a short 50 Euro suck and fuck, that´s all....

Amsterdam was so great before 2010, but a lot has changed! It´s not the same city anymore since a long time already.
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- Life will be normal when everybody thinks, we have enough of it, and just ignore every rule.


for me its already normal...
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Here's an idea... move out of shit hole places like NYC and go to a state not run by tyrants
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Here's an idea... move out of shit hole places like NYC and go to a state not run by tyrants
Like Texas or Florida?

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Some experts say it will take years since this crisis is much more serious than the one in 2008. The airport numbers will pick up during the summer, for sure. When it comes to the 'normal' life - it looks like covid is here to stay, but we'll get used to it.
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Like Texas or Florida?

You're laughing but last weekend I was out partying at a
club filled with people. There wasn't a single mask on
premises and everyone was having a great time.

It's your life and you can chose to either live it or not.


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Some experts say it will take years since this crisis is much more serious than the one in 2008. The airport numbers will pick up during the summer, for sure. When it comes to the 'normal' life - it looks like covid is here to stay, but we'll get used to it.
Many of the same people that hid in their homes because
of a virus are now rushing to get an experimental vaccine
injected in their veins and their governments aren't even
guaranteeing them they'll prevent them from catching the
Coronavirus or that life will ever return to normal.
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I still see LOTS of plague rats where I live - easily 20%. Stopped in a gas station the other night and a maskless beast asked "why is everyone wearing a mask?" Obviously she thought she was being cute, but it just highlighted her ignorance.

There's no point in even arguing with these morons, they continue to remain purposefully ignorant of the most basic of concepts that have been laid out time and time again.

Personally, I had my first shot on Friday, and my 2nd is scheduled for the 30th. I realize I will still be able to catch it and spread it despite being vaccinated, but will benefit from drastically reduced severity and duration - just like with the flu-shot.
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There's hope here for a NZ-Aus travel bubble opening this week.

Most testing with planes was done with the old easy to manage covid19, but those easy days are over we're now dealing with variants that within just 12 months they've become 2.3X more spreadable and certainly affecting younger age groups.

We have studied the flu for over a 100 years and its never done anything remotely like this.

Unless an area is Covid free, all flying will achieve is spreading it from one place to another place. We're in a sprint not a marathon.
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As people seem to both issue and follow or ignore guidance based on their politics and not on science, it is hard to tell either what should be done or what will be done.

While cases may be on a mild uptick, a heartening stat is that severe cases appear to be down 40%, which seems like a success to me:

This site crunches the official data. Yes, I've heard all the assertions about which states try to skew their data one way or another, but a quantitative analysis is still much more accurate than clickbait headlines.
https://www.thecovid19dashboard.com/country-trends.htm
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There is no proof that mask work as they are meant to be.
meaning= IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU AND OTHERS SAFE

its a psy op:
a) politicians have "peace of mind" - hey, we did something to stop this terrible virus
b) stupid people have peace of mind - "hey, with mask i'm safe, so all people should wear it and we will be safe". So why all countries that mandate masks 24/7 have sky rocketing infection numbers? Because what? 5 % dont wear masks ?
c) it allows to stigmatize and "select" people, like a mark. small psyop for a vaccination
d) I dont think that wearing anything on your mouth and nose, that blocks respiration for PROLONGED periods of time, is actually healthy. But what do I know! dont worry, you will be offered some cool medicines $$$ soon for symptoms of this

You want to wear a mask that works, fine, go dress in a hazmat suit, wash it every time you take it off in a special anti-contamination room.
want to live like in laboratory?

"trust the science", the same science that created this genie in laboratory and let it out
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gnore guidance based on their politics and not on science
I'm not trying to troll you but can you kindly explain
the science to me? (Very sincere request)
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As people seem to both issue and follow or ignore guidance based on their politics and not on science, it is hard to tell either what should be done or what will be done.

While cases may be on a mild uptick, a heartening stat is that severe cases appear to be down 40%, which seems like a success to me:

This site crunches the official data. Yes, I've heard all the assertions about which states try to skew their data one way or another, but a quantitative analysis is still much more accurate than clickbait headlines.
https://www.thecovid19dashboard.com/country-trends.htm
Hello Amelia,

Your sites are broken because flash has ended. There is no corona virus flu.

Carry on
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Aus/ NZ Travel bubble opens, other nations with controlled covid entering bubble soon.
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The problem is...

1 Covid cases go down...
2 Restrictions loosen...
3 Covid cases start to rise....
Sorry no.

Cases go up and down at will and it has nothing to do with restrictions. It appears that way in some cases, meaning sometimes the government will shut down an area and cases go down and people say, "Look, see! We shut down and cases went down."

But then they don't want to look at all of the other areas where government shut down and either nothing happened or cases even went up.

We don't have control over this but we like to pretend we do. It makes us feel better/safer and it also makes us feel accepted to have the same opinion as the dominant narrative - part of the group instead of being an outcast in other's eyes.
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Probably after the majority get vaccinated and the people start taking it seriously and listen to science instead of fake reports found on tiktok and facebook.
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... and the people start taking it seriously and listen to science instead of fake reports found on tiktok and facebook.
Most of the people that I know and read about online get their science from top epidemiologists.

Most of the people that take on your view of this pandemic (pro lockdown/masks) get their science from government doctors (aka politicians).

I would say you are emotionally involved rather than thinking factually.
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