Probilling and Verotel, here to stay? - GoFuckYourself.com

Daymare · 07-30-2003, 09:06 AM

http://www.theadultpress.com/articles.php?show=3

I would like to hear some feedback about this issue. I have done some research on the topic and although things seem to be ok with these 2 companies, so did everything with Globill and they hit the water like a ton of bricks.

I'm going to be writing a follow up story on these once I hear back from the companies after emailing them to let everyone know. I know a lot of webmasters would like to know since I know lots of you use these processors.

Thanks

Snailey · 07-30-2003, 09:25 AM

I got no reply from them since yesterday

SENSEX · 07-30-2003, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Snailey
I got no reply from them since yesterday

No reply from who? Verotel or Probilling?

Got this from Verotel today:

Dear Johnny,

I understand your concern, but Verotel is in no trouble at all.
Dutchbilling had
to cease their operations because of the nature of the content they were
processing
for. Verotel has a very strict rule on accepting certain content and we
fully comply
with the rules and regulations of our own merchant banks and VISA and
Mastercard
International.

Thank you for your email and if you have any further questions, please let
me know!

Best regards,

Marcel Trik
Financial Controller
Verotel Merchant Services BV

>>Subject: question
>>
>>Hi PJ,
>>
>>I just heard Dutchbilling is ceasing operations, is Verotel safe? 3
>>processors in one week cant be good.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Johnny

Bear · 07-30-2003, 09:44 AM

But why content? Rape?

Daymare · 07-30-2003, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bear
But why content? Rape?

Dutch billing has been known to process for bestiality sites.

ibs · 07-30-2003, 02:35 PM

In a way this situation with the 3rd party proccessors is good or at least has a silver lining for some.

I was in the business from 1987 to 1992 and we only accepted cash through snail mail (until you experience this you can't possibbly know how much fun it is) or through our own merchant accounts which only a couple of banks would touch and they set severe limits on our monthly sales.

So all the fair weather adult webmasters will fall and the non ethical proccessors then the pie will have less eaters and we that remain will increase our income decrease our expenses and have more profits and more girls to work with.

Remember you cant charge back a money order or cashed check!

Just this newbie's

I would never trust any of these processors to reply to an email asking their health with a reply that said they were going offline tomorrow. Huh what?

Snailey · 07-30-2003, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SENSEX

No reply from who? Verotel or Probilling?

Both ,
I was looking for new processor yesterday and emailed them asking a simple question .

Still no reply .

giverespect · 07-30-2003, 02:54 PM

If you need a processor who is going to be around for a while and who is secure in their position and does not have the $750 VISA fee then check out my site and click the link there to sign up for a free Merchant Account.

http://www.sHiBe.com

If you need help with set-up just let us know and send an email...
Good Luck!!!

Centurion · 07-30-2003, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by giverespect
If you need a processor who is going to be around for a while and who is secure in their position and does not have the $750 VISA fee then check out my site and click the link there to sign up for a free Merchant Account.

http://www.sHiBe.com

If you need help with set-up just let us know and send an email...
Good Luck!!!

Damn Verotel Spammer!

steffie · 07-30-2003, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ibs

I was in the business from 1987 to 1992 and we only accepted cash through snail mail (until you experience this you can't possibbly know how much fun it is) or through our own merchant accounts which only a couple of banks would touch and they set severe limits on our monthly sales.

We also only took Cash or Checks when we first started (its a headage), we choose to start a Merchant Account and had a hell of a time to get one in 96 when we went with Lancelot.

Than Ibill (their Pincodes was a nightmare and I had to pay 800 bucks for the setup)

When CCbill came around we were in heaven, no setup fee, no pincodes we jumped on them like crazy and dropped Ibill, I still had recurrend members when we opt out on ibill when the 750 fee came around and stayed with PSW as second biller instead and paid them.

Now Dutchbilling, Globill, and others are going down the drain quickly. We do have Verotel as back-backup and always our Merchant Account (I really don't want to use it), but lots of companies we have dealt with in the past or still dealing with are removing Adult from their billing.

This is quite interesting and I bet many sit back and wait to see what is going on, paying their fees and hoping for the best, or setting up European Companies so they won't loose their Offshore accounts (like Multicards or Verotel) when the shit hits the fan and they only take European Clients.

Yikes, it will be an interesting year. Were going to the Vegas Convention, lets see how many billers will still be around than (Multicards is no longer taking adult sites starting this month)

urgh!

KRL · 07-30-2003, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ibs
In a way this situation with the 3rd party proccessors is good or at least has a silver lining for some.

I was in the business from 1987 to 1992 and we only accepted cash through snail mail (until you experience this you can't possibbly know how much fun it is)

rowan · 07-30-2003, 04:31 PM

I don't know about Probilling, but the only thing thing that Verotel seem to have over Globill is that they are an established EU company. Globill moved offshore specifically to thwart the Visa USA rules, and they^H^H^H^Hwe paid for it.

PSW tried a similar trick and again several webmasters got fucked. At least they are still in business, just pulled into line by Visa. Of course that doesn't bring back the Visa rebills I lost, or the costs of providing members a months free access while PSW continued to promise that Visa would be processing again soon.

As an Australian webmaster I have very little choice in third party processors that will accept me, and right now none of them have an Australian presence, so I'm pretty much up shit creek unless I set up a EU or USA corp.

If - after seeing globill and acpay go down - you still choose a processor based on their 'feature' of not charging you the $750 fee... then you've got to be fucking crazy.

skitten · 07-30-2003, 04:40 PM

That is interesting what you said regarding AC Pay - in that they were pulled in line by Visa. Being one of many recently screwed by Glo-Bill (and with them prior to the whole Visa fee thing) I truly believed that they were a secure company. At worst, I figured that the shit may hit the fan one day and we would have to cough up the Visa fees. I'm wondering why AC Pay wasn't hit as hard. It makes me wonder if perhaps Glo-Bill was processing some sites with questionable content...

inthestars · 07-30-2003, 04:59 PM

Alot of webmasters left Globill in the past two years. Last summer, they sent me an email asking why I stopped using them.

ibs · 07-30-2003, 05:12 PM

I bank offshore and it is a breeze (though a little expensive)

What we should do is create an offshore co-op bank and then use Loyds or B of A to process our transactions

This only works if you move your company's base (mailing address/servers) offshore too.

Butt in the long run and for those of us in it for the long run it should turn out to be a profitable option

Not to mention any individual tax advantages this might gain for us (see a tax attorney as to possible benefits)

Snailey · 07-30-2003, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by skitten
That is interesting what you said regarding AC Pay - in that they were pulled in line by Visa. Being one of many recently screwed by Glo-Bill (and with them prior to the whole Visa fee thing) I truly believed that they were a secure company. At worst, I figured that the shit may hit the fan one day and we would have to cough up the Visa fees. I'm wondering why AC Pay wasn't hit as hard. It makes me wonder if perhaps Glo-Bill was processing some sites with questionable content...

Being hit by ACPAY as a prim and Globill as a back on the same day I don't agree with your optimism .
Man , you're making a 3 day vacations and your fan is full of shit the day you're back . I just wish I knew 3 weeks ago when they stopped processing (ACPay).

DTK · 07-30-2003, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ibs
What we should do is create an offshore co-op bank and then use Loyds or B of A to process our transactions

Not sure I agree about the whole co-op bank thing, but you make a good point about Lloyd's. They'll take on any risk if the price is right.

Webby · 07-30-2003, 09:05 PM

ibs:

Quote:

What we should do is create an offshore co-op bank and then use Loyds or B of A to process our transactions

This only works if you move your company's base (mailing address/servers) offshore too.

Butt in the long run and for those of us in it for the long run it should turn out to be a profitable option

Not to mention any individual tax advantages this might gain for us (see a tax attorney as to possible benefits)

Hi Steven... yea, it may come to that yet! Not that anyone wants to be forced into "having" to set this up.

We are just sitting on the fence and looking at the moment - I have a feeling very shortly there will be more news forthcoming - and can't say that it will be good news, - what's new?

07-30-2003, 09:06 AM	#1
Daymare Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,674	Probilling and Verotel, here to stay? http://www.theadultpress.com/articles.php?show=3 I would like to hear some feedback about this issue. I have done some research on the topic and although things seem to be ok with these 2 companies, so did everything with Globill and they hit the water like a ton of bricks. I'm going to be writing a follow up story on these once I hear back from the companies after emailing them to let everyone know. I know a lot of webmasters would like to know since I know lots of you use these processors. Thanks

07-30-2003, 09:25 AM	#2
Snailey Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: by the beach Posts: 29	I got no reply from them since yesterday __________________ See the <a href="http://adultpaymaster.com/re_15943_G"> Adult Pay Master </a><br>

07-30-2003, 02:35 PM	#6
ibs Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: yahoo id internetbroadcasting Posts: 277	In a way this situation with the 3rd party proccessors is good or at least has a silver lining for some. I was in the business from 1987 to 1992 and we only accepted cash through snail mail (until you experience this you can't possibbly know how much fun it is) or through our own merchant accounts which only a couple of banks would touch and they set severe limits on our monthly sales. So all the fair weather adult webmasters will fall and the non ethical proccessors then the pie will have less eaters and we that remain will increase our income decrease our expenses and have more profits and more girls to work with. Remember you cant charge back a money order or cashed check! Just this newbie's I would never trust any of these processors to reply to an email asking their health with a reply that said they were going offline tomorrow. Huh what? __________________ ibs

07-30-2003, 05:12 PM	#15
ibs Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: yahoo id internetbroadcasting Posts: 277	I bank offshore and it is a breeze (though a little expensive) What we should do is create an offshore co-op bank and then use Loyds or B of A to process our transactions This only works if you move your company's base (mailing address/servers) offshore too. Butt in the long run and for those of us in it for the long run it should turn out to be a profitable option Not to mention any individual tax advantages this might gain for us (see a tax attorney as to possible benefits) __________________ ibs

07-30-2003, 09:44 AM	#4
Bear Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 261	But why content? Rape?

07-30-2003, 02:54 PM	#8
giverespect Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Amsterdamned Posts: 19	If you need a processor who is going to be around for a while and who is secure in their position and does not have the $750 VISA fee then check out my site and click the link there to sign up for a free Merchant Account. http://www.sHiBe.com If you need help with set-up just let us know and send an email... Good Luck!!!

07-30-2003, 04:31 PM	#12
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	I don't know about Probilling, but the only thing thing that Verotel seem to have over Globill is that they are an established EU company. Globill moved offshore specifically to thwart the Visa USA rules, and they^H^H^H^Hwe paid for it. PSW tried a similar trick and again several webmasters got fucked. At least they are still in business, just pulled into line by Visa. Of course that doesn't bring back the Visa rebills I lost, or the costs of providing members a months free access while PSW continued to promise that Visa would be processing again soon. As an Australian webmaster I have very little choice in third party processors that will accept me, and right now none of them have an Australian presence, so I'm pretty much up shit creek unless I set up a EU or USA corp. If - after seeing globill and acpay go down - you still choose a processor based on their 'feature' of not charging you the $750 fee... then you've got to be fucking crazy.

07-30-2003, 04:40 PM	#13
skitten Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 217	That is interesting what you said regarding AC Pay - in that they were pulled in line by Visa. Being one of many recently screwed by Glo-Bill (and with them prior to the whole Visa fee thing) I truly believed that they were a secure company. At worst, I figured that the shit may hit the fan one day and we would have to cough up the Visa fees. I'm wondering why AC Pay wasn't hit as hard. It makes me wonder if perhaps Glo-Bill was processing some sites with questionable content...

07-30-2003, 04:59 PM	#14
inthestars Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 2,021	Alot of webmasters left Globill in the past two years. Last summer, they sent me an email asking why I stopped using them.