Paul Markham

Been shaving again?

The problem is you seem to be able to dish out your opinions that are based on nothing but what you THINK and to be honest you should think harder. When you are pulled up you revert to stupid jibes, calling me a no one in the porn industry is stupid not clever.

You were asked straight did you sign and you dodged the question by saying your lawers make those decisions for you. When told you could be paying more than 2% next year you said that's why you have lawyers. You also said you were getting all your aggs in a row so you can fight next year.

I suggest you get new lawyers if that is your strategy, unless you want to tell that one to a judge.

I'm more convinced now than before that you signed. If you are half as big as you make out, you should be one of those fighting this year. Not trying to bring down the two organisations that are fighting this year.

But then maybe you signed cos you're just a little webmaster with out the resources you think or just a guy who signed, not the balls to admit it and will not give to the fight.

What ever who cares, you do seem to be someone who thinks he's important. Hence you starting the post.

The bottom line is IMPA do not thinl a lot of this guy and as they are the ones bearing the brunt of the fight I will go with their assumptions.

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sorry brisk, for going off topic on your thread...

looks like the onCommand lawsuit didn't drive the rally....

i think the day traders are waiting for lawsuits go be filed in december, once the 'amnesty date' is over.


Maybe bad timing as well.. with christmas coming and an impending court date with the defendants, many may hold off investing further to ride out the holiday....so i would expect the stock to hold for a little while


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12clicks

When you've defeated acacia, you can explain how you did it and I'll keep bumping your thread for you.

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Why are you pissed off?
It seems out of your own mouth came your confession. Plus you do not have the brains to let it die, just keep posting so we can keep slapping youdown and keeping the thread at the top.

Now it is up to others to decide whther you are so clever.

Shall we start a poll?

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and the return, is WHEN the patent is invalidated, and you see that i was involved with that, then you can admit you were wrong about me.

I understand that you have your arrogance about you..you know it, everyone knows it... i don't t even fault you for trying to scrutinize me, i welcome it.. but there has to come a point when all your best efforts to discredit me fall short (like right about now) , and as I am still standing and fighting, some respect is deserved.

It's your business choice to settle.. i have talked with many webmasters who have, I have even told some that it would be in their best interest, given their specific circumstances....but they were all the 20K/year type webmasters that you look down upon (http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=198960).

How mighty one must feel when up on the rooftop.



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great post!

didn't want it to get lost for those that just jump to page 2.



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12clicks

I have a long history of being right, you have a long history of taking pictures.
There's a reason only you and you two buddies challenge me.
think about it.

incorrect. I told you I don't discuss the decisions I make with my lawyers with morons like yourself. (that may not be verbatim but that's the jist of it)
this is a lie.
do you say it because you're a liar or because english is your third language?
I'll wait for your answer.


As I've stated repeatedly, you're not bright enough to *guess* and my strategy, nor are you bright enough for me to ever talk to you about it.

it *is* easy to convince an idiot.
the lawyers hired by the businesses who are fighting acacia? I'm bringing them down? really?

keeping morons guessing is one of my fortes.

ah yes, idiots do have a hard time with my arrogance. tough shit.

they don't even have a cliche for someone who goes on others assumptions.

what time is it where you live charly, paul, or whoever you are?

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i thought it was posting one liners






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I suggest you do a search on page one of this thread.
I don't come looking for these halfwits, they come looking for me.
I forgive you for being confused on that point.
Also, point out that someone is a fool, is not a personal attack when its true.

well, sadly you're wrong.


I'm sorry. I never noticed you before. I wouldn't know whether you were stupid or a newbie.
are you?

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actually.. you were the one who fired the first (pot) shot... so since i didn't know you, of you, etc, and certainly didn't come looking for you, then that means that I am not a halfwit.

Maybe you think that i am actually a quarterwit instead?





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is following the dog with a poop scoop being involved with a dog taking a shit?
The fact is, the patent will stand or fall with or without your help.
trying to create a career for yourself by portraying yourself as *the* fighter of acacia I and many others find disingenuous.

Just in case you missed it:
The fact is, the patent will stand or fall with or without your help.
trying to create a career for yourself by portraying yourself as *the* fighter of acacia I and many others find disingenuous.

look down on? as I've asked your buddy already, I'll ask you. are you a liar or just stupid?
I've helped more 20k a year webmasters in a month than you have in a lifetime.

you'll never know. ever.

Fight the idiot [/B][/QUOTE]

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ron (12clicks)

To help webmasters get better educated, why not answering the following questions:


1) What patent attorney did you chat with about the validity of the Acacia Patent?

2) Who in the industry did you talk to helped in your decision to want to settle?

3) What evidence, facts, opinions, observations can you offer to webmasters about why you think the patent is valid?

4) Did you speak to Spike from HomeGrownVideo to get his opinion? Did you talk to any one of the 11 defendants to get their opinion?



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I dont give a shit whether 12 clicks settled or not.

Acacia's patent claims will be invalidated.

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OK so I did not quote word for word. But out of your own mouth came the truth. Do you have lawyers to not get a higher rate next year. And you are filling your war chest so that next year you can fight?

So what deal did your lawyers get you and how are you saving money and what is the fight for next year?

I hope you have not signed in the hope that next year you can not pay the license, then they might get an injuction. One year you agree and the next year you change your mind.

Starts a thread by name calling, deletes that persons response and then has the audacity to say this. Either he's an idiot or he thinks everyone else is. And as you say the truth is not a personal attack.

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oh, you mean when you were telling your betters you knew better than they did?
well, yeah. I slapped you down then.
This thread is the first time I noticed you in a while.
As long as you and your halfwit friends keep bringing up my name, I'll keep slapping you down.
you sure are a slow learner.
I've already taught you that *bad* publicity doesn't help you (you've admitted this by taking down your pledge drive)
but you refuse to learn what you're taught.
sad.

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actually, it's a hobby.....just like your hobby of trying to bash me.

Those of your friends that find my efforts "disingenuous" are most likely the ones that settled.

Of course they feel that way, they support Acacia...and my efforts to fight against patent abuse is one that affects them, especially ones that have their own patents who look to use acacia-style tactics on the adult industry.

If a patent has prior art, it's a bad patent. If there is no prior art, it's a good patent, and the patent holder has every right to profit from it, and to stop others from profitting from it.

I have done my research on this and other patents, and through EVIDENCE, i have formed my opinion that it is invalid.

What research did you do? What research did your attorneys do?

Why not share with those you seek to guide the answers to my questions above? Those questions are not attacking you, and the answers could actually be valuable insight from you, rather than name calling, one liner type responses.


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Paul Markham

I make my own mind up. And nick names are for others. I'm known in this busines as Paul Markham. Been in it shooting since 1978, how long you been at it?

Did you have some high flying job before being a traffic person?

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1) none. it wasn't necissary
2) my partner. no one else's opinion was needed. people come to us for opinions, its rare that we ever need to go to others.
3) the patent is not valid as far as I can tell.
4) their opinion doesn't matter. I didn't succeed in this business by relaying on other people's opinions.

anything else?

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I didn't bring up your name like BeetleJuice..someone else had posted that... I could have come crying to the GFY board about your posting and editing behaviors on TunaFishBitch..but i didn't.... it's your little universe of a board, play lord and dominion over it.

As far as schooling... you are in no position to be a teacher.... teachers have patience, humility, and a desire to help people better themselves.

I took down the pledge drive because i am realistic, despite my idealism..no use beating a dead horse... webmasters were not congregating to support me not because of the "bad publicity" you claim, nor my credientials or my ideas, they are apathetic in general.

IMPA has not gotten the strong support from the adult community...so i know it's not about me or my ideas.


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as posted by "charly"
that's funny.
considering *this* business is the internet, I'm pretty unconcerned about your picture taking before the internet.

yeah, but since this business is the internet, its as irrelevant as your picture taking was.

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original questions:

1) What patent attorney did you chat with about the validity of the Acacia Patent?

2) Who in the industry did you talk to helped in your decision to want to settle?

3) What evidence, facts, opinions, observations can you offer to webmasters about why you think the patent is valid?

4) Did you speak to Spike from HomeGrownVideo to get his opinion? Did you talk to any one of the 11 defendants to get their opinion?






nope, thanks for sharing.

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you're buddy posted here (completely unrelated to this thread) and then you had to get you little personal digs in.
I can't help it if I can't pass up an opportunity to slap down a mouthy nobody.

again, you imagining that you help people and imagining that I don't just doesn't hold up.

WRONG. of course, you would have to make up the "apathetic" excuse to cover your failure.

how do we know its not their support of you that turned people off to them?

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Very close to what my prediction of what your answers would have been..... but not quite.

My answers would have looked more like this....

1) none of your business
2) see #1
3) The patent is not valid in my opinion. Your idiot assumptions about my stance on the validity of the patent is also invalid.
4) see #2 and #1






People, 12clicks doesn't believe in FTP or his motives....... big deal. Get over it already.

FTP & Paul -- what exactly do you think will come from attacking ron reactively like this? Judging by his past piss threads, I can answer that for you..... nothing will come from it. You are pretty much wasting your time here, time better spent urging our fellow webmasters to DONATE. Firing accusations that are not based in unshakeable facts is an empty endeavor. You know it, I know it.

As far as I know, the only organization which is collectively and actively fighting Acacia and their bogus patent is the IMPA. I urge everyone to donate to the cause..... tgp'ers, gallery makers, designers, promoters, traffic brokers, free site webmasters, models, actors, EVERYONE.... the outcome of this issue will affect all of you. If you think otherwise then you have your head buried in the sand.

Donate, and shaddaaap with the arguing. We're all on the same side.

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I do give a shit. Because every penny that goes to Acacia is being used to fuck the rest of us.

Plus when someone is so anti the two organisations who are the only ones fighting to invalidate the patents, does not happen without a fight, then I have to question his motives.

The lawyers will not win this, they will have to be paid and instructed by people with the balls to fight. Not little board masters like 12clicks.

If we all lay down we will make Berman and Ryan very rich and a lot of us very poor. Losing the patent battle may have no effect on us what so ever except we have to give Acacia a percentagge of out turnover. Or it may change this industry totally. I'm not prepared to take the risk, are you?

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Question asked:
3) What evidence, facts, opinions, observations can you offer to webmasters about why you think the patent is valid?


Answer:
3) the patent is not valid as far as I can tell.



So now i understand why you have been bashing me... since you know the patent is invalid...all my prior art searching must be quite silly to you.... I and the defendants should have just asked you if the patent was valid.

And when i proposed to form an entity that focuses on finding prior art and invalidating patents, i can see also why you felt that it was a silly proposal....... you know what is valid or not, without any evidence or consulting with patent attorneys...

anyone who would be donating money to IMPA is truly pissing their own money down a drain.. because all we have to do is ask your opinion, and you seem to dispense it frequently and freely, and problems would be solved.


Hear that America, Acacia's patent is invalid as decreed by 12clicks. Why couldn't you have saved me all the countless hours and phone calls in trying to find prior art?

You could have just told me this in your first posting against me.. maybe something like.........

"hey assclown board whore, give up trying to find prior art, i know the patent is invalid..."


(I know that my impersonation doesn't do you justice.)


Charly, you got it all wrong.. 12clicks would not be licensing a patent that he felt was invalid... you got it all wrong.


Now that we got that cleared up, I'll let Spike and the defendants know that they can sleep better at night, knowing they have 12clicks rendering of the patent invalidity... of course it doesn't help them with the court case unless you go on the stand, and they present you as a material witness.

Hopefully you will take the leadership role of volunteering your testimony... being subpeona is so not right.



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no, your prior art searching was unnecissary. Plenty of art has been found without your help. As I've said, you're completely unneeded.

paying money to find something that's already been found for free is silly.
Pretending that other patent claims are coming and that they aren't valid either is just a cry for a job.

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If i knew "Rivux", why would i wait almost 3 weeks to do so? I have no problem starting my own threads...especially making posts that don't end up getting deleted.

And i already apologized to brisk for going off topic.

Little bit of a rally on ACTG today...gotta love the day traders getting their gambling fixes in.



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Paul Markham

My pictures will be jerked off to long after you are gone and forgotten. And I'm sorry you are in the porn business. Or are videos and magazines in the transport business because they get delivered by lorry.

Maybe that is where you are going wrong, you think it's down to programing, scripting and traffic to get a guy to jerk off.

So you did or did not sign up?

And yes your affiliates have every right to know this. They need to know if you are truthful, honest and straight, they need to know if they will be liable by driving traffic for you, they need to know if they are dealing with a company that can fight this, they need to know if you have the balls, they need to know because they are doing business with you.

And if you don't have the honesty to just come out and tell them, don't go around trying to bring down a guy who is working hard to find prior art, bringing the fight to peopels attention and an organisation who support him and led by people who do have the balls to fight this for people like you.

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You should be telling that to all the IP firms that hire "professional" prior art searchers. Attention Gregory Aharonian (http://www.bustpatents.com/).... your services are not needed (he sells prior art finds...has an Acacia prior art package..costs about $5,000).

You should tell that to the defendant's who are paying money for prior art searches.

(Now i understand another reason why you don't suport the IMPA...they are spending money in finding prior art, so since prior art is freely found, they are pissing away hard earned webmaster contributions)

I have never been paid for my efforts.. it has all been done for free.

If i was charging, then i can understand your viewpoint that i might be scamming people by packaging up "freely" available prior art and selling it to them.

And since prior art is found as easily as growing on trees...then you must think the USPTO is REALLY, REALLY stupid for granting this patent in the first place.



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12clicks

ahhhhh, the simple accomplishments of the simple mind.
If only my goals were so easily reached.

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The prior art to fight this patent was found long before you.
taking credit for it in an attempt to carve out a job for you to fight future patents fools no one.

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Great post Brandon.

12clicks what did you base your decision on the patent being ivalid, have you told the Patent Office and does judge Ware no of your momentous decision?

Unfortunately your opinions again show how arrogant and ingnorant of the situation you are. Because even though you have decreed the patent invalid there is a little thing called a court that needs to verify your decision.

YOU ARE TRYING TO UNDO THE TWO ORGANISATIONS WHO ARE WORKING TO GET THE PATENTS INVALIDATED. What do you suggest we do to get these patents turned down?

And you know for a fact that there are no other patents in line to come down on us. Where did you get this piece of information from?

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Paying someone who has a NAME in the area of finding such 'prior art' might seem frivolous but it is a wise move... professional witnesses actually DO carry more weight than some joe off the street. Whether it's in front of a jury OR just the judge.

I'm not sure what this guys prior involvement might end up doing to the case since I haven't had time to sit and read exactly what he was supposed to have done for Ac*cia. That would be the only concern to me.

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That's right dopey and if I were in court, I'd be proving it.

what two orginizations are you speaking of?
No, I just don't pay money because someone says their might be a monster.

see you asshats after lunch/.

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Update your notes.... i took down the FTPF idea.. I'm off doing my consulting and my own ventures....

Finding prior art is a hobby...one that i continue to do. Bringing awareness to other companies (adult and mainstream) is a hobby.... one that I continue to do.

I was active in bringing awareness and finding prior art, BEFORE the concept of Fight the Patent Foundation...taking down the idea, does not change what i started back on August 12th, nor my committment to IMPA and the defendants, or concerned webmasters to continue my efforts.

So all you have left to criticize is what? That i post news and info to help webmasters?


Maybe i just do queer-eye-for-the-straight-guy type posts like talking about one's house like you did in this thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=189146


Would that be better for you? I could talk about how cool my truck is.

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Round and round we go,
where this thread stops,
nobody knows.

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Hate away, but think like that,,

If (la la la) somebody bought at 1.50 and sold at 8.00 they have enough to at least fly to CA to stand at their own Court hearing

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If it were that simple a lot more would be at my level, but again you show your ignorance.

So what are your goals?

Mine are to live long enough to see my second daughter married, I'm 53 and have a young wife and young daughter. Be happy and make my wife and daughter happy.

Everything else has been accomplished.

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So why discredit those who are in court in your place?

You are so discredited.

CD Smith it stops when that fool sees sense, probably never. Cant see through the piss on his face.

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What brought them up (press, exposure) will ultimately be their downfall in my opinion.

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One of the things that Brandon has been working on. I'm going to put a button on my site to show the surfers what is happening, anyone else feel that brave?

12clicks
Well thanks for the chance to show everyone we both stand. Me I'm off home for dinner and relaxing. Will not be back to this thread tomorrow when I come back to the office.

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I wasn't aware that Brandon was in court fighting Acacia. Is he?

Seems to me you're both covered in it.



53? I thought you were....... older.

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the reference was to the 11 defendants, your peers, who are putting their own money in to defend their companies, as well as the rest of the webmasters. I am not involved in litigation.

I shutdown my (mainstream) website/service in order to become vocal. Was just about to be charging for the service (almost done with beta testing), when i read about Acacia.. and felt it was bogus since i personally downloaded audio/video fies from BBS prior to 1990.

The more research i did, the more solid i was convinced that this was a bogus patent claim.

Instead of sitting back and waiting to see if I would be targeted, i took up the activism and became vocal.

Got lots of bruises in the last 4 months from naysayers.. but I am driven by personal conviction about fighting against what is wrong. There are enough webmasters that support my efforts, that I know that I am not alone in my concerns..nor is my time wasted.


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I on the other hand, did NOT take my sites down. I continue to run my network and conduct business as usual, and continue to develop new business. What I decided to do at the onset of this patent issue was..... since I recognized Acacia's claims and attempts for what it was --- that being blatant extortion..... I donated some money to IMPA, also went somewhat vocal on the boards to support them and rally for donations, and set aside some sig space for them as well.

I will continue to do what I can, and if everything you were attempting to do was on the up-and-up I applaud you, but I just see that there is already an organization directly fighting my fight, so I chose to support them 100% instead of dividing up my allegiance.


Wipe away all the needless jabbering on this thread and what is left is the fact that the IMPA can use more donation money from webmasters. What is also left is the fact that some have bought and profited from Acacia stock. Beyond that, nothing else really matters here.

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Great! so there are no more issues with you then... i have and continue to do what i have always stated, bringing awareness and finding prior art...and I have taken down my "competing" organization (proposal).

Now that there is no "Fight the Patent Foundation" proposal, Ron, so why aren't you supporting IMPA?

Oh, sorry, forgot....you don't see a need for an organization to fight since every webmaster should take care of the issues by themselves.



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ahhh, so now brandon is not only an "orginization" he's also in court in my place"
someone should walk you away from your computer. whether its a lie or stupidity, your posts are worthless.

and the kindergarden quotes are clever for a 53 year old too.

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