My Take On President Bush

[eroswebmaster]

I am a Texan born and raised. I did not vote for Bush and won't vote for him come re-election time. Too much history here in Texas to try and explain it here.

As I sit here watching his televised speech again I am bothered by the attempt to be "presidential." It was too rehearsed, and in my opinion poorly written.

However when he appeared before the cameras at the school early this morning I caught a glimpse of a man who could truly be a leader. He spoke very few words but there seemed to be real emotion behind them. I actually liked him if even for a brief moment.

I pray it is the real man I saw this morning who leads this country through this horrible ordeal and not the shell of a character he attempted to play on television tonight.

I don't mean to write this to incense anyone, I am behind this guy 100% and support our leaders 100% in order to get this resolved.

I guess I would just like to see someone get on television and read the bullshit speeches that shitty speech writers give them to read and then before the camera is turned off to rise from their chair. Walk around the desk directly towards the camera and look straight into it, into the eyes of the perpetrators who are undoubtedly watching and just tell them in no uncertain terms that we are going to fuck them up.

As I sit here and watch the recap of the whole day, including new footage of the Trade Center area I don't know whether to cry, or to destroy something.

eros

[drumsicle]

I think Bush is a bad actor and that's it. When it comes to taking care of business and doing what's right for the country, my money is on him. IMHO it is a lot better that this happened on his watch as opposed to pure sellouts who are better actors, like Clinton.

In my opinion, Bush differs from Clinton or Gore in that he truly cares about God, country and family, as well as people in general.

Ask anyone in the know, Clinton did more to hurt and demoralize our military than any President in history. For example, when the people who actually do the fighting for us must get welfare checks to be able to support their families, there is something terribly wrong.

[RedShoe]

Personally, I think he's white trash, HOWEVER when push comes to shove, my money is one Bush.

He's one crazy fucker. Why? Because he doesn't fuck around. He is wreckless, and he doesn't care. That said, I think we're going to see some nasty fighting over the next year.

Sure his speeches seem faked, that's because they are. Notice how all great presidents before him "pause for celebration" during a speech when they've said something motivational. Bush "pauses" when he gets through a difficult part without stuttering. That is indeed a fact. That's why they seem faked, it's because the pacing of the speeches are all off.

I wouldn't doubt if he were a bit racist. I think he's been waiting for an excuse to go to war, unfortunately it had to come to this.


This was just sent to me. It's the tail end of Michael Moore's newsletter.

...A key ingredient in
getting Americans whipped into a frenzy against a new enemy is the
all-important race card. It?s much easier to get us to hate when the object
of our hatred doesn?t look like us.

Congressmen and Senators spent the day calling for more money for the
military; one Senator on CNN even said he didn?t want to hear any more talk
about more money for education or health care -- we should have only one
priority: our self-defense.

Will we ever get to the point that we realize we will be more secure when
the rest of the world isn?t living in poverty so we can have nice running
shoes?

In just 8 months, Bush gets the whole world back to hating us again. He
withdraws from the Kyoto agreement, walks us out of the Durban conference
on racism, insists on restarting the arms race -- you name it, and Baby
Bush has blown it all.

The Senators and Congressmen tonight broke out in a spontaneous version of
?God Bless America.? They?re not a bad group of singers!

Yes, God, please do bless us.

Many families have been devastated tonight. This just is not right. They
did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they
did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New
York, DC, and the planes? destination of California -- these were places
that voted AGAINST Bush!

Why kill them? Why kill anyone? Such insanity?

Let?s mourn, let?s grieve, and when it?s appropriate let?s examine our
contribution to the unsafe world we live in.

It doesn?t have to be like this?

Yours,

Michael Moore
[email protected]
The Aweful Truth





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[eroswebmaster]

Thanks for sharing that redshoe I have been a big fan of Michael Moore's for many years now and will definitely go and sign up for his newsletter.

Drumsicle I appreciate the comments and don't really want to debate morals of presidents at this point but I did want to point out that military personnel getting welfare checks didn't begin with Clinton and won't end there either.

My first eye opener was after the gulf war during that recession I became a "dislocated worker" according to the U.S. government. I earned a little extra cash when I moved to Colorado Springs donating plasma. I never saw more broke military families in my life than when I was sitting there in the waiting room for my turn.

I truly found it sad that men and women who were putting their lives in danger for our freedom were sitting their with their families waiting their turn so they could supplement their food stamps and whatever else government aid they were receiving.

Papa Bush was still president.

Edited to add that with the selection of Dick Cheney as vide president one of the biggest proponents of base closures in the 90's did not help the moral of the military. And guess what ol' Dickie boy was discussing with Congress just this last week. How wee need to close more bases. I wonder if he still feels that way now.

I guess the point of my post was more or less that I wish for once a leader would just get up and without cue cards speak his mind...not just Bush...any leader.

eros



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[12clicks]

Originally posted by RedShoe:
Personally, I think he's white trash,

that's quite a statement coming from you.

I truly found it sad that men and women who were putting their lives in danger for our freedom were sitting their with their families waiting their turn so they could supplement their food stamps and whatever else government aid they were receiving.

I guess getting a job was not an option?


If junior is 1/10 the man his father was we'll be fine.

oh, I don't mean to incense anyone.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by 12clicks:


I guess getting a job was not an option?


If junior is 1/10 the man his father was we'll be fine.

oh, I don't mean to incense anyone.

12clicks these people already had a job...defending our country. Did you not get that part.

And oh...if your 1/10 the man your mother was you might be fine.

eros

[mailman]

what you need to look at is that this is a true america under all your standears BUST is a man he fought in the war, well clinton got his cock sucked under the dask. I being Canadian would rather have BUSH as my leader the Clinton or you and your ass.

[12clicks]

yikes eros, I guess the truth hurts.

I understand how your kind wouldn't like the bushes. They weren't big on handouts.

[eroswebmaster]

12 Clicks you didn't speak the truth.

Everyone was there donating plasma for "extra cash." I had a job. They had a job defending the US government...they were the ones who were supplementing their foodstamps, and welfare not I.

But if you feel that it's okay that our military personnel should have to donate plasma, and live off of welfare then by god I guess you're a better American than me.

Read before you respond.

eros



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[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by mailman:
BUST is a man he fought in the war,.

Well Bush never fought in the war and for those who would really like to know Bush's military record here you go: http://www.tompaine.com/opinion/2000/09/27/



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[12clicks]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster:
they were the ones who were supplementing their foodstamps, and welfare not I.

I earned a little extra cash when I moved to Colorado Springs donating plasma.

I read it.

Look easy pickin's, I don't like assholes who at a time of national crisis picks this moment to make negative comments about our leadership.

you're an embarrassment to your fellow Americans.

[eroswebmaster]

Yes and and mamas boy where did it say I didn't have a job. "Extra cash" implies I already had some now doesn't it.

Still can't read can you?


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[12clicks]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster:
Yes and mamas boy where did it say I didn't have a job.
Still can't read can you?

simple simon let me quote you from above:
"My first eye opener was after the gulf war during that recession I became a "dislocated worker" according to the U.S. government."

hmm, "dislocated worker" sure sounds like jobless to me.
you gotta quit this or at least let me let a 5yr old take over for me because you're not bright enough to keep up your end of this deal.

[eroswebmaster]

LOL...I've been waiting for you. I guess you need for me to break it down chronologically for you, my God I didn't know I would have to elaborate on such a simple post to the point that I would have to explain my entire work history to you...lol.

Here is one definition of a disloacted worker:
The term "dislocated worker" means an individual who:

1. has been terminated or laid off, or who has received a notice of termination or layoff, from employment,
3. is unlikely to return to a previous industry or occupation;

"Dislocated worker." The term dislocated worker is what was given to me by the US government due to the fact that both #1 and #3 applied.

#1 because of the recession I was laid off from my job in Los Angeles in the film industry.
#3 because I worked in the film industry and moved to Colorado I would more than likely not be returning to my "previous industry or occupation." I became a resteraunt manager.

My use of the term was being facetious, I love it when people give you titles to make things sound better than they are...like custodial engineer=custodian.

Anyway I moved to Colorado because of the low cost of living and a job opportunity.

Now that I've given you some of my employment history let's move on and talk about the handouts that the Bush's don't give.

You honestly don't know shit about this country you think I'm an embarassment to.

When I became this "dislocated worker," I was offered 6 months of unemployment insurance to help during the time that I wasn't working. But I didn't need that. I moved to Colorado Springs for gainful employement where I stated I donated plasma for "extra cash," a phrase you can't seem to understand. If I were unemployed and not making much money...it wouldn't be "extra cash" now would it...it would just be cash.

The reason it was "extra cash" (there's that tricky phrase again) is because I wasn't making as much money as when I was living in LA. That extra $40-$50 a week wasn't making or breaking me...it was "EXTRA CASH."

Anyway, the Bush that doesn't give handouts ended up extending those benefits to a year due to the recession...and as his favor rating dropped and the recession continued he extended it for another 6 months. But I guess since you didn't follow the news on t.v. or read the paper you didn't know anything about this.

That handout allowed people to live off of unemployement for a total of 1 1/2 years...pretty big hand out to me...or was that a buy out for the presidencey which of course failed. Because those of us who actually know our history know Clinton was elected. And if it makes you feel any better, I didn't vote for Clinton.

Now let's get onto other things.

I don't like assholes who at a time of national crisis picks this moment to make negative comments about our leadership.
you're an embarrassment to your fellow Americans.

First of all in my first post I didn't make any real "negative comments" about our leadership. I stated that I hoped he would show us more of what I saw earlier in the day.

But what I can't believe the most...me this embarassment to my fellow americans is that you an adult webmaster who's business is built on the foundations of the first amendment don't want me making my "negative comments" about our leadership.

What a fucking hypocrite you are. Freedom of speech is not limited to whenever you or anyone else feel it is appropriate. If it was then this business would not exist because there's a lot of people who would never find this appropriate.

My initial post was not an attack on Bush and/or any other leadership...it was a simple rambling I wrote early this morning after spending the entire day like everyone else glued to their t.v.s in shock over what happened.

Now my response where I brought up "extra cash" was a different matter. I made the comments because I am not like some who follow their leaders blindly (not meant to imply that drumcicle does) democrat or republican...and I don't like blanket statements being made either way. I vote my conscience...and am truly bipartisan let me break that down for you. My voting record was Reagan-Reagan-Bush-Perot-Clinton-Gore.
However I would have voted McCain if I were given the chance.

And now my responses to you are based on the fact that you gave a typical response where it didn't apply. "I guess getting a job was not an option?"

Such a typical response that usually comes from those who think they have it all and can't lose it.

But don't come here and attack me and tell me I'm an embarrasment to my country because I express my anger that people who put their lives on the line for this country as a duty and a job have to do things like donate plasma, and accept welfare just to keep food on their tables or Christmas gifts from Santa under the tree for their kids and spout off unoriginal shit like "I guess getting a job was not an option?"

Because they have a job more important than putting fuck pix up on the web like us.

eros

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How is it a donation if you're getting "extra cash" out of it?

I thought donations were supposed to be free....well except for that nice tax deduction I get of course!



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[drumsicle]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster:
Thanks for sharing that redshoe I have been a big fan of Michael Moore's for many years now and will definitely go and sign up for his newsletter.

Drumsicle I appreciate the comments and don't really want to debate morals of presidents at this point but I did want to point out that military personnel getting welfare checks didn't begin with Clinton and won't end there either.

My first eye opener was after the gulf war during that recession I became a "dislocated worker" according to the U.S. government. I earned a little extra cash when I moved to Colorado Springs donating plasma. I never saw more broke military families in my life than when I was sitting there in the waiting room for my turn.

I truly found it sad that men and women who were putting their lives in danger for our freedom were sitting their with their families waiting their turn so they could supplement their food stamps and whatever else government aid they were receiving.

Papa Bush was still president.

Edited to add that with the selection of Dick Cheney as vide president one of the biggest proponents of base closures in the 90's did not help the moral of the military. And guess what ol' Dickie boy was discussing with Congress just this last week. How wee need to close more bases. I wonder if he still feels that way now.

I guess the point of my post was more or less that I wish for once a leader would just get up and without cue cards speak his mind...not just Bush...any leader.

eros

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I'm not saying that it necessarily started with Clinton...but he did have 8 years to do something about it.

Anyway I was just using that as an example. I think if you look at the military in terms of MORALE, capability and readiness during Clinton's tenure, there can be no denying that he was no friend to the military and in fact did quite a bit of damage to it.. That's just the way I see it.

[Balljoints]

My Father in law was in Korea, and I have more than a handfull of friends that were full time military in the Gulf War. And another "hand full plus" that were in Vietnam! Why do they ALL now have full time jobs and were NEVER "forced" to recieve food stamps etc! They saw combat, and the 1's from Vietnam saw MANY MANY more dead friends and comrads than those from DS. I even have a friend that worked in Vietnam on a ship that worked on the cooling for a barge that held the dead patriots! He saw 10's of thousands dead. He did 13 months in Vietnam! Yet he took his experience and is now set for life because of that experience, he built a successful heating and cooling company because of it! While I am sure there are mental images that still haunt them, they know what they did was right. And are getting on with their lives. Which includes getting a job and supporting themselves and their families.

Our Veterans are the greatest Americans! And I personally have never met a Veteran that would trade what they did for the Country even if it ment getting rid of their pain or things they saw!

GOD BLESS AMERICA AND OUR VETERANS!

Oh, BTW, how did I watch a documentary on Discovery channel about how bush was in a plane that was shot down in Vietnam?

Balljoints

Sorry for the edit, I just had to edit to apologize for typing errors, and if I offended veterans that actually saw combat. I am just seeing red right now as to how some people are typing shit negative to the US govt. I personally like Bush, but even if someone doesnt, there is no need to type negative shit during this crisis.

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[eroswebmaster]

Bush Jr. wasn't shot down in an airplane...that is who we were talking about.

Plus the military personnel I was discussing that were receiving food stamps and other government aid were still active duty and this was in the 90's.

If you think they don't exist now or didn't exist then your patriotism is blinding your sight.

You also might want to reread everything I have written here nowhere did I state that I do not support our leaders, then or now...this all began with me wanting to see our president show me more of what I saw during that first speech in front of the school children before he left for Louisiana.

Instead that first night he practiced and rehearsed a speech written in my opinion by shitty speech writers...now over the past couple of days he once again has spoken HIS mind in HIS words and this is what we need.

We do not need statements written for posterity and history books, but statements that will inspire, motivate, comfort, and rally our people...and now this is what he is beginning to do.

And I will say this once again...we live in a country and work in a business that is based and built upon our first amendment...and no crisis...especially one that has already crippled this nation and it's way of life will dictate mine.

Where does it end, and where does it begin.

Have you ever watched the movied "The Seige."

The entire point of the movie was not that hostages were creating havoc in New York...but it was how we allowed an atmosphere of anger, mistrust, etc. to put us under "seige." And by that, martial law was declared...constitutional rights were violated...certain freedoms were suspended.

So tell me I have no right to speak my mind...especially during this time and in my opinion that is more damaging, and more telling than me saying I want to see some real emotion from our president.

eros