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Old 02-23-2005, 10:23 PM   #201
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First year of shooting, never again, after her parents found out.
I was going to mention that set as well. They actually had sex if I remember right. I've seen a few sites using those images to suggest that tawneestone.com is filled to the brim with that sort of content. Hello, my name's Chargeback.

Just checked the LS hotshots demo and it's still one of the most popular sets... along with the lesbian one. No surprises there.



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Old 02-23-2005, 10:26 PM   #202
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Sorry I'm not being precise enough, but fuck off, I'm not going to post my financials here. Lightspeedcash pays millions to affiliates yearly, plus has a long list of other operational and marketing expenses.

She has been compensated more than fairly, there is no one that will dispute that.

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I didnt ask you to post financials but your the one who feels the need to swing his dick saying millions over and over. Millions puts you in a very small group and when there are articlies about sites and companies that generate that kind of cash I have never seen lightspeed mentioned. Your funny you start this thread and then tell me its not my business. THen keep it to your self lol
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:26 PM   #203
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Your lawyer is wrong click the link in the post above about Terry Weigel . I think Playboy has alittle more lawyer power and they lost. Also test the waters we are only basing it on what your telling us but I have a longer memory than most and I remember Nina . So who knows whats really happening and Tawnee doesnt have a voice on here.
Terry Weigel.....I'm guessing that must be her real name? I didn't read the article. Tawnee Stone is a created name, it is a brand. It can be owned.
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:27 PM   #204
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uhmmmm......no. you make no sense at all. Tawnee Stone is not her legal name, she has no rights to it.

the name is locked down by lightspeed. not going to happen.
I'm not going to argue because it's not worth it. From my experience, I'm telling you that she can if she really wants to.
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And according to my attorney, she won't be able to touch the name Tawnee Stone without permission, it is a registered trademark of Lightspeed Media.

Steve Lightspeed

Steve, read the case I posted. While I agree she can?t directly promote herself as Tawnee Stone (I believe) she can use the name in a biographical sense and because of that she will be able to cash in on some of that goodwill from that name. I know Playboy has some expensive lawyers.
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Your lawyer is wrong click the link in the post above about Terry Weigel . I think Playboy has alittle more lawyer power and they lost. Also test the waters we are only basing it on what your telling us but I have a longer memory than most and I remember Nina . So who knows whats really happening and Tawnee doesnt have a voice on here.
You remember Nina? Jesus, wait while I fall out of my chair laughing. I gave her every chance in the world, she left anyway, and now she's GONE

I posted Tawnee's story here, and she will be contacting webmasters very soon on her own.

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I stand corrected.

So what makes Chyna unable to use the Chyna name outside of wrestling?
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:29 PM   #208
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Wow, I knew someone in the industry was going to pull a Latrell Sprewell. "I cannot feed my kids with $14 million."
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:29 PM   #209
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I posted this here to test the waters, and see if maybe I'm too close to the issue and not seeing things clearly. But the responses here have helped me conclude that I'm not being unfair to her here.

And according to my attorney, she won't be able to touch the name Tawnee Stone without permission, it is a registered trademark of Lightspeed Media.

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Tell your lawyer to check out August Storck K.G. v. Nabisco, Inc., 59 F.3d 616 (7th Cir. 1995).
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You seem like a nice guy , after reading your interview I had a new respect for you . You have hot girls , a good program. Why talk about this here, from what I hear your much more professional then that.If you think talking about it will turn webmasters off to her. It wont happen the smell of money will be too strong.
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:31 PM   #211
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She's cute, I'll give her that... but, I do not think she is as gorgeous as she thinks she is. After she finds out you posted her shit here, she'll feel pretty lame. Nobody is going to pay her more, nobody. Who needs a model with that kind of attitude? Fuck her! I would. lol
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:32 PM   #212
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I think it doesnt help when you talk about making millions on this board . It tends to make people feel like they are being slighted even if they are not .
good call Tony

kind of like Pro athletes vs owners
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:33 PM   #213
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Let her go you own everything you have no use for her anymore, she wants to leave and think she can start over again let her try
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:33 PM   #214
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Sorry Steve I like you, your a great guy, she deserves more IMHO.
2K a month?

Dont take my opinon as harsh,I have heard nothing but great stuff about your operation, you do awesome stuff.

Tawny deserves more though bud.
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:34 PM   #215
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I have been thinking , exclusive that means I guess to work for no one . 24k is kind of tight to live on if you have a house payment.
Tony, this does not mean that she cannot work, there are many 22 year old university students that have jobs other than being an internet model.
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At the same time... no sponsor wants to lose his MAIN CHICK that made him a few million dollars or whatever.

Your call dude, I just think you're making a mistake by talking (crying) about it here... if she's a bitch like it sound... let her go with no regret. Say, well thank you for the money you made me while we worked together. Sorry it didn't work out for a longer period of time, but oh well. Lots more fish in the sea my friend.
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:35 PM   #217
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You can't expect Tawnee to keep you guys on top forever. It's time to find another lightspeed girl and show the world why you (and your team) are the best at what you do. All these "young-girl" sites that are popping up are trying to copy your success and most fall on their faces. It's takes skill to do what you have done with Tawnee - believe me....you did it once - you can do it again
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So what makes Chyna unable to use the Chyna name outside of wrestling?
She doesn't. She goes by China Doll or some crap like that.
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:36 PM   #219
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Its not what you make, its what you keep. Does everyone expect me to promote Tawnee and give her ALL the profits? How much should the thousands of hours of work me and my staff have spent promoting her be worth?

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Exactly. Steve is the one who created the whole Tawnee frenzy through his marketing skills. If it weren?t for him she would just be another unknown solo girl.
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You remember Nina? Jesus, wait while I fall out of my chair laughing. I gave her every chance in the world, she left anyway, and now she's GONE

I posted Tawnee's story here, and she will be contacting webmasters very soon on her own.

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Tony, this does not mean that she cannot work, there are many 22 year old university students that have jobs other than being an internet model.
Your kidding right ? This is what she does softcore nude modeling, why should she have to work at the Gap? ALso she has a house and expenses.That would be like if you couldnt what you do for a year and but had the option to go work at starbucks. Not saying its worng or right but its not cut and dry.
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I didnt ask you to post financials but your the one who feels the need to swing his dick saying millions over and over. Millions puts you in a very small group and when there are articlies about sites and companies that generate that kind of cash I have never seen lightspeed mentioned. Your funny you start this thread and then tell me its not my business. THen keep it to your self lol
Millions does not put him in a small group of high level affiliate programs.

I know several "small" programs that spend over a quarter of a million dollars every year on CONTENT alone. Marketing, promotions, and affiliate pay is that quarter million several times over.

Steve saying he's spent millions of dollars on this girl is no exaggeration. I'm sure he could pull up a spread sheet that states EXACTLY how much has been spent on marketing Tawnee. Good products are nothing without good marketing. Of course, good products with good marketing create something stellar.
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Sorry Steve I like you, your a great guy, she deserves more IMHO.
2K a month?

Dont take my opinon as harsh,I have heard nothing but great stuff about your operation, you do awesome stuff.

Tawny deserves more though bud.
he is offering her a severance.

For god sakes she takes her clothes off. Shes not a brain surgeon. Cut her loose.

You'll figure it out . good luck.
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I stand corrected.

So what makes Chyna unable to use the Chyna name outside of wrestling?

Its a WWE trademark. When Sable left, she tried to use the name 'Sable', but got sued by the WWE. Anyway, we all know she went back to the WWE and probably got paid less than what she was making before.
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Sorry Steve I like you, your a great guy, she deserves more IMHO.
2K a month?

Dont take my opinon as harsh,I have heard nothing but great stuff about your operation, you do awesome stuff.

Tawny deserves more though bud.
I asked for opinions, yours is welcomed.

The question now is what is the FAIR solution to everyone? Hopefully this post will reveal the perfect answer before damage is done.

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Exactly. Steve is the one who created the whole Tawnee frenzy through his marketing skills. If it weren?t for him she would just be another unknown solo girl.
You cant create a frenzy unless people are attracted to the product and want to see it and pay for it.
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Couple side notes

1) I didn't renew her contract because she refuses to do anything but softcore, for any price. I offered her $25k for a one-hour POV that she refused.

2) I own the trademark to the name Tawnee Stone, she can't use it when she leaves.

3) She is now 4 years older, and not the 18 year old star that she was.

4) She causes a lot of drama in my studio with our other models, constantly reminding them that she is the #1 girl.
Seems like it's time to let her go.. she had a good run and you have paid her a lot more than anyone else would have. People seem to think the grass is always greener on the other side, she will find out soon enough.

From your other posts seems you have some new girls, so losing her will be a blow, but if you already have content screw it. Just push the new girls that much harder and make a new star.

I just set up a deal tonight for my first single girl site. There are plenty of hot girls out there that can and will want to take her place. Wish her the best of luck and just find a new girl.
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You can't expect Tawnee to keep you guys on top forever. It's time to find another lightspeed girl and show the world why you (and your team) are the best at what you do. All these "young-girl" sites that are popping up are trying to copy your success and most fall on their faces. It's takes skill to do what you have done with Tawnee - believe me....you did it once - you can do it again

well said.

it ain't the girl, it's the hustle.

and every fuckin' second there's a fresh 18 year old willing to spread for the green.
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Your kidding right ? This is what she does softcore nude modeling, why should she have to work at the Gap? ALso she has a house and expenses.That would be like if you couldnt what you do for a year and but had the option to go work at starbucks. Not saying its worng or right but its not cut and dry.
I think she should have to work at the Gap to learn a lesson about money management. Her house must cost a fortune if she can't pay the mortage with 2k a month.
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Sorry, but you're wrong.

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Tell her like this you will always have a place to come back to but things will never be the same have fun! Somebody will pick her up but she wont convert with a new site she will be back!
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there are cuter girls doing hardcore

a softcore/solo replacement that will do the occasional POV won't be hard to find. with your marketing money behind a new girl you'll have another hit.
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Tell your lawyer to check out August Storck K.G. v. Nabisco, Inc., 59 F.3d 616 (7th Cir. 1995).
Steve, I found an article that mentioned this case: http://articles.corporate.findlaw.co...09/009818.html

"Under certain conditions, use of a competitor's trademark in your advertising is legal in the United States."

Don't be surprised if you see "I used to be Tawnee Stone but I grew up". It's legal and any good lawyer will tell you that
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Tell her "good luck" emailing the other Website owners. I hope she goes on to be a success, good for her... but she's obviously not right for your budget (or is she?). You seem to think you pay her enough for the type of poses she does, FUCKING LET HER GO SHOOT SOFTCORE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE AND MAKE $160k or $120k, whatever.
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Nina wanted complete control over her website, and to keep all the income for herself. She felt she had all the skills to do it all without help.

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Well first step to a fair solution is seeing what she wants and what your willing to give and see if you can come to the middle .Remembering you had a young girl come into a agreement that will effect the rest of her life. Jobs she wont get and oportunities that will be missed because she was the webgirl.So you have a responbility and remember Karma can be a bitch.
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Tony,

I do agree with you about the Karma, but
at the same time... there are still MILLIONS
of people who have never heard of TAWNEE
STONE.

WAY MORE HAVEN'T HEARD OF HER THAN HAVE!
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Sorry, but you're wrong.

Good marketers can sell ice cream to an eskimo.
IF you ever were in sales you would no thats a myth. If the product is not strong it wont work. How many movies have you seen they spend a tons of money on and it bombs. I think the level of marketers in the movie business is pretty high.
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130k last year & she's probably broke isnt she? sheesh...

good riddance steve, i know the kind of girls you can find, ive seen it first hand. tawnee served her purpose & helped get u where u are today, now its time to find someone hotter & less conceited, and she's out there trust me.
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Your kidding right ? This is what she does softcore nude modeling, why should she have to work at the Gap? ALso she has a house and expenses.That would be like if you couldnt what you do for a year and but had the option to go work at starbucks. Not saying its worng or right but its not cut and dry.
its an option that he put on the table for her, she can take it if she wants to or take her chances with somebody else

is it fair? at 22, i was making $7 an hour working at a gift shop, living with 2 roomates, going to asu full time, paying my own way...would have been nice having a 2k subsidy

you almost make it sound like he is throwing her out on the street hungry, the man is not a charity
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Their is one way she can make it big still! TawneeCash.com Their you go if she is reading this you better pick that up and start your own shit!
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:49 PM   #243
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Well first step to a fair solution is seeing what she wants and what your willing to give and see if you can come to the middle .Remembering you had a young girl come into a agreement that will effect the rest of her life. Jobs she wont get and oportunities that will be missed because she was the webgirl.So you have a responbility and remember Karma can be a bitch.
Of course you must realize that I've already exhausted myself trying to compromise with her. She wants all the profits from her website. Period. I didn't renew her contract because her demands were excessive.

You should have seen me shaking my head when I met super hot Columbian whores willing to do anything for 60 bucks a day. Tawnee priced herself out of the game.

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Old 02-23-2005, 10:49 PM   #244
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all of "you people" who are urging steve to come to a middle ground are doing so because tammy is not fucking with your money.

if you were in the drivers seat and invested all this time and money into this little brat you'd be singing a different tune. steve is not obliged to sign her to a new contract...he is being a great guy buy offering her 2k a month for nothing. drop her.

this should been a poll.
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:51 PM   #245
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Tony,

I do agree with you about the Karma, but
at the same time... there are still MILLIONS
of people who have never heard of TAWNEE
STONE.

WAY MORE HAVEN'T HEARD OF HER THAN HAVE!
You never know a friend of mine his wife used to be a model, she did clothes and some very very soft nudes. THis was 4 yrs ago , now she gets a job selling very high line cars. Her nude pic and its a cheesecake pretty girl pic is found by a fellow worker and she is fired. THe site was so small and obscure it would be like finding a needle in a hay stack but it happens.
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:53 PM   #246
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You never know a friend of mine his wife used to be a model, she did clothes and some very very soft nudes. THis was 4 yrs ago , now she gets a job selling very high line cars. Her nude pic and its a cheesecake pretty girl pic is found by a fellow worker and she is fired. THe site was so small and obscure it would be like finding a needle in a hay stack but it happens.
so is he now required to take care of her for the forseeable future because of a decision she made at the legal age of 18? oh boy....
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Of course you must realize that I've already exhausted myself trying to compromise with her. She wants all the profits from her website. Period. I didn't renew her contract because her demands were excessive.

You should have seen me shaking my head when I met super hot Columbian whores willing to do anything for 60 bucks a day. Tawnee priced herself out of the game.

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All the money thats tough and working with models is tough. I give you credit. Thats why Im glad our star is my wife
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I asked for opinions, yours is welcomed.

The question now is what is the FAIR solution to everyone? Hopefully this post will reveal the perfect answer before damage is done.

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Unfortunately, there may be no fair solution. You have to remember a lot of times when somebody has had a lot of success at a very young age that is all they know, and they assume it will always be that easy. Maybe the only way Tawnee can grow up is too see how hard it is in the real world.
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Old 02-23-2005, 11:03 PM   #249
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My thoughts...

Offer her 3-4k a month for 6 more months. Get 2 years more worth of content out of her and make sure you leave tons of brownies and fatty foods around the studio when you shoot. In 6 months the porker will be 200lbs and no one will hire her. LOL!

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damn, she made good amount of money there for just taking softcore pics...
and like wise for both parties
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