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woj · 06-02-2005, 03:04 PM

50........

pornguy · 06-02-2005, 03:08 PM

Thanks for putting that Joan.

The really sad thing that I see, is the the government, in all the efforts to stop child pornography, is doing thier best to get rid of the watch dogs that do help them, and that is us.

I have no problem having the 2257 in order, but the government is trying to make 2257 into something that it should not be. And that is a tool to get rid of legal porn.

Joan · 06-02-2005, 03:09 PM

[QUOTE=JPeterman]who serves on the ASACP committe.

This information is on the ASACP site - http://www.asacp.org/aboutus.php

Joan · 06-02-2005, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor

Jknowing that you are getting funding from ICM for every domain name sold?

IFFOR will contribute to various child protection associations, not just ASACP.

tony286 · 06-02-2005, 03:15 PM

[QUOTE=Joan]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Will ASACP take a stand against a mandatory move to the .xxx domain?

ASACP does not ?approve? or ?disapprove? .xxx. Democrat Joe Lieberman had already proposed .xxx legislation. ASACP does not lobby, that?s what FSC does. But personally I would not support mandatory .xxx.

How can you say that when you wrote yourself :

ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online
Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing
reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary
monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography.

I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and
technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their
proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
and Numbers (ICANN).

Now Im not the smartest guy in the world but I applaud sounds like support. lol

Connor · 06-02-2005, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPeterman

If you don't approve of ASACP, then stop giving them your money and support. Joan will wither away (even more than she has already).

She has proved to me and many others that she does NOT have this industries best interests at heart. Watch out for any self-appointed "industry watchdogs" -- remember that NO ONE VOTED or HAD ANY SAY AT ALL into who serves on the ASACP committe. Who is watching the watchers?

I'm not against everything ASACP has done... the premise is solid. Fighting child porn is a solid goal. Many people in this industry want a mechanism for helping in that fight. When it sticks to fignting child porn and to an honest approach, ASACP can accomplish some good things.

But in this case all good sense was stragely set aside. In this case of .XXX it doesn't matter who's on the Advisory Council because it seems they weren't the ones who made the decision on Dot XXX, and Joan hasn't said otherwise. If that's not right and the Council voted then PLEASE tell us! So who made the decision? Why wasn't the Advistory Council asked to vote before that letter was sent to ICANN and funding was accepted?

Now we're going to see attempts to make this mandatory... apparently Senator Lieberman has already lined up to make the push, if Joan is right. The fact that making it mandatory would only HELP increase what ASACP gets in funds (since the Xbiz stoy says they cut a cut of every domain name) raises a serious "conflict of interest" concern.

JPeterman · 06-02-2005, 03:22 PM

[QUOTE=Joan]

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPeterman

who serves on the ASACP committe.

This information is on the ASACP site - http://www.asacp.org/aboutus.php

Hey, way to take a piece of a sentence out of context and answer a question that was never asked.

Let me ask another. Does ASACP still take XXL-Cash's sponsor money, even after XXL-Cash's processing was terminated by CCbill for direct links to child porn? The ASACP banner flying on the XXL-Cash site is proof of your ineffectiveness and incompetence. And how does getting sloppy drunk at tradeshows fit into ASACP's mission statement? We've all seen you!

Kimmykim · 06-02-2005, 03:24 PM

Damn, Joan, you must have said you don't like SUVs at some time, so the government raised the price of gas to try and get them off the road.

Personally I see the .xxx as someone's idea of a way to make money. From that standpoint, I'm sorry I didn't think of the idea myself and figure out how to get a cut off every one of the registrations. When .xxx becomes a fact, what registrars will handle it? The same ones that handle .com, .net, .biz, etc? If so, I guess quite a few people stand to make some money on it.

To the industry, it's a fucking joke. Child pornographers don't care about .xxx, they don't care about .com, they don't care about anything. The vast majority of them aren't in the US would be my guess.

The government is going to do everything it can in the next few years to cripple this industry. I think that so many people's time could be so much better spent figuring out how to keep their legs under them than bickering with every other segment of this industry.

I'd use my herding cats statement but that one's been appropriated over the years by so many other people I don't like the taste of it in my mouth any more.

rankscom · 06-02-2005, 03:26 PM

Is it true that ASACP benefits with funding (percent or per domain) in direct proportion to the number of .xxx domains that will be sold?

If ASACP is benefitting from .xxx directly or indirectly, is the funding used for any other purpose other than to fight child porn? (misc business expenses, salaries, etc)

Although I highly respect Connor, I'm looking at Joan's statement and don't see it as an endorsement for .xxx:

"I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and
technology of finding and reporting child pornography"...

It's almost like Joan is looking to exploit any opportunity to fight child pornography, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. She doesn't seem to be looking to take a bias either way, she's just saying hey thanks for considering ASACP. That's how I read it at least. My honest take so far, but I reserve my final judgement until more questions are answered.

It's hard to go against ASACP since they've done a lot of good for this industry. If any type of organization should be given the benefit of the doubt, it seems this would be one.

p.s. I'm strongly against the .xxx domain extension.

Connor · 06-02-2005, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joan

IFFOR will contribute to various child protection associations, not just ASACP.

ASACP was started by and funded by the ADULT industry. And as such, it was in a position to act as a representative of the ADULT industry during the comment period. Other "various child protection associations" were NOT in that position... ASACP is unique in that regard. So I really don't see how it matters if other child protection groups are getting money. Had ASACP not offered that letter of support and ICM just offered some money because they liked ASACP that would be one thing. But that letter of support is there, on the record.

abyss_al · 06-02-2005, 03:26 PM

good stuff joan

tony286 · 06-02-2005, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Damn, Joan, you must have said you don't like SUVs at some time, so the government raised the price of gas to try and get them off the road.

Personally I see the .xxx as someone's idea of a way to make money. From that standpoint, I'm sorry I didn't think of the idea myself and figure out how to get a cut off every one of the registrations. When .xxx becomes a fact, what registrars will handle it? The same ones that handle .com, .net, .biz, etc? If so, I guess quite a few people stand to make some money on it.

To the industry, it's a fucking joke. Child pornographers don't care about .xxx, they don't care about .com, they don't care about anything. The vast majority of them aren't in the US would be my guess.

The government is going to do everything it can in the next few years to cripple this industry. I think that so many people's time could be so much better spent figuring out how to keep their legs under them than bickering with every other segment of this industry.

I'd use my herding cats statement but that one's been appropriated over the years by so many other people I don't like the taste of it in my mouth any more.

I agree with most of what you said but to just let off the people that helped this process go forward and endorse it for money. This will ruin careers of hard working good people who make a ok living in adult is not acceptable. This also effects consultants as website owners as well.

Mr.Fiction · 06-02-2005, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPeterman

Who is watching the watchers?

That's a good question to ask in most situations. Especially one like this where a lot of money is involved.

tony286 · 06-02-2005, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankscom

Is it true that ASACP benefits with funding (percent or per domain) in direct proportion to the number of .xxx domains that will be sold?

If ASACP is benefitting from .xxx directly or indirectly, is the funding used for any other purpose other than to fight child porn? (misc business expenses, salaries, etc)

Although I highly respect Connor, I'm looking at Joan's statement and don't see it as an endorsement for .xxx:

"I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and
technology of finding and reporting child pornography"...

It's almost like Joan is looking to exploit any opportunity to fight child pornography, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. She doesn't seem to be looking to take a bias either way, she's just saying hey thanks for considering ASACP. That's how I read it at least. My honest take so far, but I reserve my final judgement until more questions are answered.

It's hard to go against ASACP since they've done a lot of good for this industry. If any type of organization should be given the benefit of the doubt, it seems this would be one.

p.s. I'm strongly against the .xxx domain extension.

How can you not see that as a endorsement are you kidding me, its a positive letter about the icm written by the head of a child protection org. If they truly had no postion they would said nothing.

Choker · 06-02-2005, 03:35 PM

The only question I have is does asacp get a cut from every xxx name sold or not? Please answer yes or no Joan. thanks

Connor · 06-02-2005, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankscom

I'm looking at Joan's statement and don't see it as an endorsement for .xxx:

Do you REALLY think that's how ICANN would view it? As a generic, general, neutral message that is neither for nor against dot xxx? Or do you think they'd check that one off as support? Put yourself in ICANN's position and read it again. Not the words "support" and "applaud" in there. I make a living with written words, and I don't view those words and neutral.

There are plenty of ways to fight child porn without the entire adult industry being put in this awful position. I've been in this industry for a long time now... when it was just forming AS an industry. I think this industry is unlike any other, and for the most part I love its culture. It disturbs me to see people from INSIDE the industry put it at this kind of risk voluntarily.

Connor · 06-02-2005, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

How can you not see that as a endorsement are you kidding me, its a positive letter about the icm written by the head of a child protection org. If they truly had no postion they would said nothing.

Bingo. Agreed.

Connor · 06-02-2005, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker

The only question I have is does asacp get a cut from every xxx name sold or not? Please answer yes or no Joan. thanks

From the XBiz article:

"While the selling price for .XXX domains has not yet been determined, Jason Hendeles, ICM Registry vice president, said that $10 of each domain sale will be designated to IFFOR to contribute to issues facing the online adult industry, and of those proceeds, a percentage will be donated to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection and the battle against child pornography."

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?i...archstring=xxx

SteveLightspeed · 06-02-2005, 03:48 PM

I do not support Joan or the ASACP. That is well documented. But in this case my "give someone enough rope and they'll hang themselves" position seems to be holding true.

Back-peddle all you want Joan, you are only digging the hole deeper for yourself and ASACP.

Steve Lightspeed

rankscom · 06-02-2005, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor

Do you REALLY think that's how ICANN would view it? As a generic, general, neutral message that is neither for nor against dot xxx? Or do you think they'd check that one off as support? Put yourself in ICANN's position and read it again. Not the words "support" and "applaud" in there. I make a living with written words, and I don't view those words and neutral.

There are plenty of ways to fight child porn without the entire adult industry being put in this awful position. I've been in this industry for a long time now... when it was just forming AS an industry. I think this industry is unlike any other, and for the most part I love its culture. It disturbs me to see people from INSIDE the industry put it at this kind of risk voluntarily.

Just my opinion. But you're right, the government may look at that as a form of endorsement, even though she isn't giving direct support to .xxx as an official ICANN domain. My only point is her "intentions" and that's what I'm trying to figure out here. It appears like she made very bad judgement, but everyone appears to be hanging her and ASACP on a tight noose for her death which might be a little pre-mature at this point. This is why I asked some other questions, it's important we know all the facts here. I don't think this letter alone proves enough evil intent on Joan's part.

Dirty Dane · 06-02-2005, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPeterman

Let me ask another. Does ASACP still take XXL-Cash's sponsor money, even after XXL-Cash's processing was terminated by CCbill for direct links to child porn? The ASACP banner flying on the XXL-Cash site is proof of your ineffectiveness and incompetence.

You're kidding, right?

Mr.Fiction · 06-02-2005, 03:49 PM

In the future, ASACP may be the hammer that the government uses to beat the adult industry with.

Doesn't ASACP's letter of support of .XXX tell the government that the adult industry believes that .xxx is a valid way to fight child porn?

Imagine Lieberman talking about how even the adult industry anti-child porn group supports .xxx - only those who support child porn in the adult industry must be against .xxx!

rankscom · 06-02-2005, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor

From the XBiz article:

"While the selling price for .XXX domains has not yet been determined, Jason Hendeles, ICM Registry vice president, said that $10 of each domain sale will be designated to IFFOR to contribute to issues facing the online adult industry, and of those proceeds, a percentage will be donated to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection and the battle against child pornography."

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?i...archstring=xxx

Yep, can't argue with this. ASACP will have a hard time backpeddling this.

Evidence is much more clear. Thanks Connor.

Connor · 06-02-2005, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankscom

Just my opinion. But you're right, the government may look at that as a form of endorsement, even though she isn't giving direct support to .xxx as an official ICANN domain. My only point is her "intentions" and that's what I'm trying to figure out here. It appears like she made very bad judgement, but everyone appears to be hanging her and ASACP on a tight noose for her death which might be a little pre-mature at this point. This is why I asked some other questions, it's important we know all the facts here. I don't think this letter alone proves enough evil intent on Joan's part.

Evil intent is a different ballgame. Nobody at ASACP is evil. But that doesn't mean a decision wasn't made for the wrong reasons, and now the rest of the industry is paying for that decision. We have so many people from the OUTSIDE gunning for this industry that the last thing we needed right now was people from the INSIDE supporting something like dot XXX, something that will almost certainly be used against us.

Connor · 06-02-2005, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankscom

Yep, can't argue with this. ASACP will have a hard time backpeddling this.

Evidence is much more clear. Thanks Connor.

No problem.

rankscom · 06-02-2005, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor

Evil intent is a different ballgame. Nobody at ASACP is evil. But that doesn't mean a decision wasn't made for the wrong reasons, and now the rest of the industry is paying for that decision. We have so many people from the OUTSIDE gunning for this industry that the last thing we needed right now was people from the INSIDE supporting something like dot XXX, something that will almost certainly be used against us.

Agreed!!

Choker · 06-02-2005, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor

From the XBiz article:

"While the selling price for .XXX domains has not yet been determined, Jason Hendeles, ICM Registry vice president, said that $10 of each domain sale will be designated to IFFOR to contribute to issues facing the online adult industry, and of those proceeds, a percentage will be donated to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection and the battle against child pornography."

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?i...archstring=xxx

Thanks that all I needed to read. Fuck ASACP. It's pretty obvious this thread is nothing more than damage control. ASACP sold us all out. PERIOD.

Jman · 06-02-2005, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Damn, Joan, you must have said you don't like SUVs at some time, so the government raised the price of gas to try and get them off the road.

Personally I see the .xxx as someone's idea of a way to make money. From that standpoint, I'm sorry I didn't think of the idea myself and figure out how to get a cut off every one of the registrations. When .xxx becomes a fact, what registrars will handle it? The same ones that handle .com, .net, .biz, etc? If so, I guess quite a few people stand to make some money on it.

To the industry, it's a fucking joke. Child pornographers don't care about .xxx, they don't care about .com, they don't care about anything. The vast majority of them aren't in the US would be my guess.

The government is going to do everything it can in the next few years to cripple this industry. I think that so many people's time could be so much better spent figuring out how to keep their legs under them than bickering with every other segment of this industry.

I'd use my herding cats statement but that one's been appropriated over the years by so many other people I don't like the taste of it in my mouth any more.

Some peeps who are in this industry and that we look upon are going to make a few bucks out of it.

This deal as been well thaught off and planned.

It's how we will as an industry, Roll with the Punches that will make a difference.

In many threads regarding this issue many of you have placed great comments and although I truly beleive that ASCAP is there for a good cause and working for one of the big problems in the industry. But I have to agree with Connor, although they say they are biase and do not agree or disagree, they have made it clear in a letter they think it's a great idea and with that statement and makign a cut out of the $10 for each domain sold, well, shows at some point they are keen on the Idea...

(Hope y'all can read JManese

)

xXxtreme2005 · 06-02-2005, 04:26 PM

interesting stuff never the less

juve20 · 06-02-2005, 04:36 PM

thanks for keeping us updated.

tony

SteveLightspeed · 06-02-2005, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMan

(Hope y'all can read JManese

)

I can read JManese, I'll translate:

ASACP sold us out.

tony286 · 06-02-2005, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

I can ready JManese, I'll translate:

ASACP sold us out.

Amen Brother Steve

Jman · 06-02-2005, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

I can read JManese, I'll translate:

ASACP sold us out.

Hahahahah indeed you do my friend.

Something must be done for Child Pornography and if they on the ball on that, God Bless.

But if you are HERE on GFY and say you are part of OUR Industry then start sitting on our side and look at the big picture.

Connor · 06-02-2005, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMan

But if you are HERE on GFY and say you are part of OUR Industry then start sitting on our side and look at the big picture.

Exactly, my friend!

baddog · 06-02-2005, 04:49 PM

[QUOTE=Joan]

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPeterman

who serves on the ASACP committe.

This information is on the ASACP site - http://www.asacp.org/aboutus.php

ummm, Joan, that isn't what he said. He did not ask who served on the board, he said, "remember that NO ONE VOTED or HAD ANY SAY AT ALL into who serves on the ASACP committee."

Pretty big difference.

tony286 · 06-02-2005, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMan

Hahahahah indeed you do my friend.

Something must be done for Child Pornography and if they on the ball on that, God Bless.

But if you are HERE on GFY and say you are part of OUR Industry then start sitting on our side and look at the big picture.

THey have done honorable work in the past, that doesnt make this honorable. If you cant understand that I dont understand.Also they changed their name, they used to be adult sites against child pornography not anymore now its a very vague name looks to me like they are distancing themselves from us.

tony286 · 06-02-2005, 04:53 PM

Remember the words of Cyndi : Money ,money changes everything

baddog · 06-02-2005, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMan

It's how we will as an industry, Roll with the Punches that will make a difference.

I think I am pretty well known for being against any Chicken Little, the sky is falling issues that have come along. My theory is that the strong survive, however, .xxx could be a pretty heavy knockout blow, when you take into consideration things like processors and ISP's and how they can use it against us.

directfiesta · 06-02-2005, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Damn, Joan, you must have said you don't like SUVs at some time, so the government raised the price of gas to try and get them off the road.

Personally I see the .xxx as someone's idea of a way to make money. From that standpoint, I'm sorry I didn't think of the idea myself and figure out how to get a cut off every one of the registrations. When .xxx becomes a fact, what registrars will handle it? The same ones that handle .com, .net, .biz, etc? If so, I guess quite a few people stand to make some money on it.

To the industry, it's a fucking joke. Child pornographers don't care about .xxx, they don't care about .com, they don't care about anything. The vast majority of them aren't in the US would be my guess.

The government is going to do everything it can in the next few years to cripple this industry. I think that so many people's time could be so much better spent figuring out how to keep their legs under them than bickering with every other segment of this industry.

I'd use my herding cats statement but that one's been appropriated over the years by so many other people I don't like the taste of it in my mouth any more.

Women with brains turn me on ....

Note to self: put more time in you mainstream business, even if you have to suffer and immediate loss of income.

TheGoldenChild · 06-02-2005, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

I think I am pretty well known for being against any Chicken Little, the sky is falling issues that have come along. My theory is that the strong survive, however, .xxx could be a pretty heavy knockout blow, when you take into consideration things like processors and ISP's and how they can use it against us.

It's not ISPS and processors- It's Mastercard and Visa that you have to worry about

They are the next ones that will be punishing us because now it will be easier to find all of us..

xxxjay · 06-02-2005, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor

Joan -

I'm glad that you replied, and I have a tremendous amount of repsect for you personally. I'm sorry that we're on opposite ends of this issue, and I'm sure there will be other issues on which we both agree. Dot XXX will never be one of them, however.

The problem is that ASACP in fact DID support the creation of dot xxx. That's what you're doing when you send in a letter to ICANN during the application process saying that you "applaud" and "support" ICM. You are helping to make something possible that affects the ENTIRE industry.

I don't know who at ASACP made that decision... was it the advisory council? Was it you personally? Whoever made that decision made a choice that affects a whole lot of webmasters, and made it IN SPITE of the fact that the only public industry meeting on .XXX resulted in a DOWN vote. If that choice goes bad for a lot of people then certainly you can see how they would be a little upset at the people who affected their business. ICM needed the support of industry groups in order to get their application approved. Your organization helped tham get that approval, and without that approval we wouldn't be facing the significant censorship threats that we are now facing.

As far as comparing this to applying for funding... come on Joan, that's not a very effective way to explain this. There were strings attached to this funding, and to accept the money you had to support something that can significantly harm the industry. Will the funding be worth it when some Senator tries to make dot XXX mandatory? Will the funding be worth it when Visa decides only people on .XXX sites will be processed? I thought the adult industry was doing a fantastic job supporting ASACP. In Sacramento, I can't think of how many times I plugged ASACP to one of the senators or councilmen I spoke to on behalf of the industry. So many companies have stepped up with donations. Weren't we as an industry doing a good enough job supporting ASACP? Why did your organization have to accept funding from ICM when you KNEW that doing so could result in all kinds of problems for the adult industry as a whole?

Frankly Joan I don't think you're in a defensible position. All this may be old news to you, but it's not to a lot of the industry. And I think it's only going to get worse when the first congressman announces his plan to make dot XXX mandatory and the industry is facing YET ANOTHER big legal fight, this one brought about by small groups of people INSIDE the industry. And if private industries start using dot XXX against us... oh man!

I spoke with you about this several months ago and pointed out some of my concerns. I asked you to consider revoking your support of dot XXX, but didn't hear back from you. I didn't know at that time that ASACP was getting funding for their support. I know that funding is important for any organization, but there HAS to be a point where the damage caused by accepting the funds isn't worth it.

I agree. I assume it would be the FSC that would be the main opposition to this. I found this quote here, which I find kind of worrysome:

"Tom Hymes, AVN Online

?There is also a strong case for having a content-specific gTLD (and corresponding SLDs under ccTLDs) such as .xxx or .sex. Sexually explicit services could then be legally required to operate with domain names in this gTLD (or SLD under a ccTLD) that would make it much simpler and easier to control access to such sites to protect children from the whitehouse.com problem, for example. This would not be to impose censorship or restrict free speech, but would restore an effective means for consumer choice which sites like whitehouse.com subvert by exploiting that present ?inherent propensity to confuse?). Similarly, non-commercial sites, including sites for abuse or complaint might usefully be allocated a specific SLD for that purpose.? [9]"

http://www7.nationalacademies.org/it...tml#P161_39485

Mr.Fiction · 06-02-2005, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I agree. I assume it would be the FSC that would be the main opposition to this. I found this quote here, which I find kind of worrysome:

"Tom Hymes, AVN Online

?There is also a strong case for having a content-specific gTLD (and corresponding SLDs under ccTLDs) such as .xxx or .sex. Sexually explicit services could then be legally required to operate with domain names in this gTLD (or SLD under a ccTLD) that would make it much simpler and easier to control access to such sites to protect children from the whitehouse.com problem, for example. This would not be to impose censorship or restrict free speech, but would restore an effective means for consumer choice which sites like whitehouse.com subvert by exploiting that present ?inherent propensity to confuse?). Similarly, non-commercial sites, including sites for abuse or complaint might usefully be allocated a specific SLD for that purpose.? [9]"

http://www7.nationalacademies.org/it...tml#P161_39485

Is that a quote from AVN? I thought they just said they didn't take a position on .xxx?

Connor · 06-02-2005, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

It's not ISPS and processors- It's Mastercard and Visa that you have to worry about

They are the next ones that will be punishing us because now it will be easier to find all of us..

Agreed KB, that's a HUGE concern.

Connor · 06-02-2005, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Is that a quote from AVN? I thought they just said they didn't take a position on .xxx?

I just asked Tom about this... he's going to post soon, so I'll leave it to him.

Connor · 06-02-2005, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I agree. I assume it would be the FSC that would be the main opposition to this. I found this quote here, which I find kind of worrysome:

Nice find... that's an interesting read!

TheGoldenChild · 06-02-2005, 05:53 PM

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...ate=psarsc.3.2

Connor · 06-02-2005, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...ate=psarsc.3.2

Clever. Then sue for "trademark infringement" when someone else gets pussy.xxx, and yank the domain name from them. This is going to be one giant mess.

fireorange · 06-02-2005, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...ate=psarsc.3.2

hmmmmm, NOT GOOD!

TheGoldenChild · 06-02-2005, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor

Clever. Then sue for "trademark infringement" when someone else gets pussy.xxx, and yank the domain name from them. This is going to be one giant mess.

BINGO!!!!

TheGoldenChild · 06-02-2005, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Is that a quote from AVN? I thought they just said they didn't take a position on .xxx?

They lied to you ...

06-02-2005, 03:04 PM	#51
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	50........ __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

06-02-2005, 03:08 PM	#52
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,912	Thanks for putting that Joan. The really sad thing that I see, is the the government, in all the efforts to stop child pornography, is doing thier best to get rid of the watch dogs that do help them, and that is us. I have no problem having the 2257 in order, but the government is trying to make 2257 into something that it should not be. And that is a tool to get rid of legal porn. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

06-02-2005, 03:09 PM	#53
Joan Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: LA Posts: 191	[QUOTE=JPeterman]who serves on the ASACP committe. This information is on the ASACP site - http://www.asacp.org/aboutus.php __________________ ASACP - Protecting Your Business By Protecting Children

06-02-2005, 03:26 PM	#59
rankscom Rick Moby Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 433	Is it true that ASACP benefits with funding (percent or per domain) in direct proportion to the number of .xxx domains that will be sold? If ASACP is benefitting from .xxx directly or indirectly, is the funding used for any other purpose other than to fight child porn? (misc business expenses, salaries, etc) Although I highly respect Connor, I'm looking at Joan's statement and don't see it as an endorsement for .xxx: "I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and technology of finding and reporting child pornography"... It's almost like Joan is looking to exploit any opportunity to fight child pornography, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. She doesn't seem to be looking to take a bias either way, she's just saying hey thanks for considering ASACP. That's how I read it at least. My honest take so far, but I reserve my final judgement until more questions are answered. It's hard to go against ASACP since they've done a lot of good for this industry. If any type of organization should be given the benefit of the doubt, it seems this would be one. p.s. I'm strongly against the .xxx domain extension. __________________ MyPorn.com - Porn's most anticipated free site of tomorrow. Coming Q4, 2015.

06-02-2005, 03:26 PM	#61
abyss_al LOOKING FOR TRADES Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 15,605	good stuff joan __________________ EMAIL: allen @ vasmediagroup.com \| ICQ: 311329761 \| SKYPE: abyss.al \| AIM: xABYSSxALx

06-02-2005, 03:24 PM	#58
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Damn, Joan, you must have said you don't like SUVs at some time, so the government raised the price of gas to try and get them off the road. Personally I see the .xxx as someone's idea of a way to make money. From that standpoint, I'm sorry I didn't think of the idea myself and figure out how to get a cut off every one of the registrations. When .xxx becomes a fact, what registrars will handle it? The same ones that handle .com, .net, .biz, etc? If so, I guess quite a few people stand to make some money on it. To the industry, it's a fucking joke. Child pornographers don't care about .xxx, they don't care about .com, they don't care about anything. The vast majority of them aren't in the US would be my guess. The government is going to do everything it can in the next few years to cripple this industry. I think that so many people's time could be so much better spent figuring out how to keep their legs under them than bickering with every other segment of this industry. I'd use my herding cats statement but that one's been appropriated over the years by so many other people I don't like the taste of it in my mouth any more.

06-02-2005, 03:35 PM	#65
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	The only question I have is does asacp get a cut from every xxx name sold or not? Please answer yes or no Joan. thanks __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

06-02-2005, 03:48 PM	#69
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	I do not support Joan or the ASACP. That is well documented. But in this case my "give someone enough rope and they'll hang themselves" position seems to be holding true. Back-peddle all you want Joan, you are only digging the hole deeper for yourself and ASACP. Steve Lightspeed __________________ Abra-cadabra!

06-02-2005, 03:49 PM	#72
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	In the future, ASACP may be the hammer that the government uses to beat the adult industry with. Doesn't ASACP's letter of support of .XXX tell the government that the adult industry believes that .xxx is a valid way to fight child porn? Imagine Lieberman talking about how even the adult industry anti-child porn group supports .xxx - only those who support child porn in the adult industry must be against .xxx! __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA

06-02-2005, 04:26 PM	#79
xXxtreme2005 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: st louis/IL metro area Posts: 717	interesting stuff never the less __________________ GOT TRAFFIC?.......I BUY TRAFFIC ICQ 318-368-640

06-02-2005, 04:36 PM	#80
juve20 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: uk Posts: 2,542	thanks for keeping us updated. tony __________________ Monetize your site with AdBrite! Monetize your site with AdBrite!

06-02-2005, 04:53 PM	#87
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Remember the words of Cyndi : Money ,money changes everything

06-02-2005, 05:53 PM	#96
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...ate=psarsc.3.2 __________________