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Midget · 01-16-2006, 06:18 PM

Ooohhh... Someone is in for a laaaaaawsuit, if the other part can figure out why...
Hahahahaha

TMM_John · 01-16-2006, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Adam

Come on .. even though its free, it still involves a good amount of work. I've known Garry and Oy for a longtime and trust them completly. Trust is just important as anything.

Theres an old saying .... "If It Ain't Broke ... Don't Fix It"

Best of luck to you guys. I'm sure you have a good product.

Thanks. It's just an offer. I hope a few people can take us up on it. I'd be even a bit happy if a few do and a few of those decide to stick with MPA. It will help us (and them) find out where to improve both products.

Again, that was the point. It turned into shit with Garry's "cut & paste company" and other insults in his reply. Sad to always have someone turn it that way

Midget · 01-16-2006, 06:22 PM

SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE!

hahahaha
Oh man, if you dont win this one I will pay for the lawyer

Brad Mitchell · 01-16-2006, 06:43 PM

Competition is healthy, for sure. When there is pressure to compete, consumers and in this instance merchants and affiliates end up with a better product. I host clients with MPA3 and clients with NATS. I have clients that are happy with each respective software. I have had clients that have moved from one to the other, etc. I consider the people at both companies to be friends - Gary, Oystein, John. We are acquainted but I've just never spent that much time getting to know you Nathan.

Although I understand why both parties are posting in here, I think I was dissapointed starting with the first post. I can understand offering a competing offer, even a special to lure customers away from a competitor. In my opinion, you didn't need to go farther with that all you need to do is let the product speak for itself. That is all anyone ever really needs to do, I think. I believe, honestly, that both companies have good products. I respect your decision but it's not the one I would have made, personally.

I will leave everyone on this note... A long while back, I got a call from Oystein. He very patiently confronted me with some information, basically saying that he had a complaint from a current MPA customer that I was trying to push them into NATS. I don't know if this was an actual customer of mine with MojoHost, with 123Bill or just somebody I was acquainted with discussing the topic freely. Humility. You know, I have customers that use both softwares and I have practically been a client of both myself. I apologized, as I should have, and resolved to be much more objective. My point for even bringing this up, really, is just that I had a tremendous amount of respect for Oystein calling me out in the manner in which he did. I know that is how I like to do business, one on one and always with a preference to not air laundry in public.

With all of the upgrades and enhancements to both packages I truly believe that one can't really go wrong with either one. I don't have to kiss ass to get business, I just tell things like I see it. When NATS first came out I, like everyone else, was excited to see a new product to market. I endorsed it before I was ever a client of it and that was an immature decision of mine. I have long since seen proof of the fact that the issues I had with my own conversion from MPA2 to MPA3 were unique or at least ultimately resolved. I host some very successful programs on both packages and I can't honestly say that I have clients on either side of the fence that are unhappy with their respective solution provider.

I don't give any glowing endorsement. As a host and a biller, I see the best and worst of both. As far as I am concerned with my level of experience, knowledge and observance of both products the options are "6 of one and a half dozen with the other." They both have their merits, accomplishments, drawbacks, growing pains.

I wish both companies success with their products. I like the my hosting clients have more options in the market, that each company has a full suite of software to choose from. The most important thing is that as a customer of any company or any service provider is that you are HAPPY. If you are not happy, try something else and hopefully the transition isn't too painful and your provider doesn't hold you hostage. If NATS and Mansion can agree on anything, I would think, it is that their customers are #1. I believe that we all respect those that are kind enough to put food on our tables... I know that we at MojoHost take that very seriously.

I wouldn't call this a dirty fight quite yet, but it definitely isn't pretty. I just hate to see this, I like to think that the parties, no matter how estranged, could come together enough to find some level of mutual respect so that they can compete respectfully.

Cheers,

Brad

sonofsam · 01-16-2006, 06:56 PM

I've read this thread, and also read some comments about lack of support with nats

I'm probably one of the smallest programs with nats, and i have never had to wait more then 4 hours for a support ticket to get replied to.... They also explained to me exactly what the problem was and why it happened..

also, in the beginning when i first started out, I hit up john and was talking to him about nats as a possible solution for me since paycom was extremely lacking with stats, and he cut 1000 dollars off of my price... he wasn't even running any sort of promotion at that time, but he helped me out anyways cause he knew i was just starting out

and something like that is not forgotten, and why i'll be a loyal customer forever

cyberpunk · 01-16-2006, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peter_mansion

I honestly wonder what do you mean by more scalable?Mansion have a customer for example who increased its turonver 10 times(1000%) and turned from midisze to very large customer for just 1 year. And system grow with them. It is matter of knowlegde to be scalabe- at mansion there are employees with CISCO certificates,Sun Microsystems certificates,PhD degree in Computer Science...
Hard to image more scalabe products ;-)

NO backing or bashing either product here, but I have worked with more cisco gear and probally anyway around here and I can tell you they last thing they are is scalabe.

MrPornCash · 01-17-2006, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Garry, you're full of shit. You always have been ever since they days when you aided in defrauding and stealing from 1000s of affiliates.

From: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...94&postcount=1

When we first started out we marketed very agressively against you guys (as any new business should). You whined about it over and over again. We backed off a bit. Then snide little comments like that and other started from you guys and even worse things that I heard were said in person to our clients and potential clients. As I said, we backed off your for a while, and got nothing but rude little comments and cheap shots in return. So we will be marketing very aggressively against you again. I'm sorry if you can not handle it.

I lost absolute respect for you and your company when we purchased MPA2 way back when and found the shaving feature built right into the front page of it. Thats why NATS exists today. I have no respect for you or anyone who would help people to steal as much as you have. I never will have respect for you. I tried being quiet for a while and all I got back was numerous little jabs like the one above from Oystein. If thats how you want it to be, thats how it will be.

Again, I have no respect for you or your company. I believe you are full of shit and a theif. You even went as far once as to try to blame having a shave feature on the AFFILIATES. The way your company has been run is absurd, unprofessional, and sickening. We've even had one person in here chime in as to how Oystein fed him lies when he was looking at both products. I have had numerous people tell me so. From stupid little things like not having a feature to accusing us of ridiculous things that insult me both professional and personally.

You're a liar. You're a thief.

All this bullshit you throw out here on gfy will not in any way win you any trust for sure. Talking down on your competition says more about whom you are and what you stand for, than it does about your competition. I have lost numerous sales in the old days because I was so focused on making my competition look bad.
You keep bringing to the surface the shaving thing that MPA2 had far back in time. And most people would agree that shaving is bad. BUT this was such a long time ago. Today is where we need to be and today there is no shaving what so ever. In fact Garry and Oy are the most trustable people I have met in this business so far. And I am sad to se someone like yourself trying so hard to get people believe otherwise. I feel strongly that you lost this battle and I for one lost all respect for you as a businessman.

XPays · 01-17-2006, 01:13 AM

in the long run, at the end of the day, as an observer i wonder what this will look like in a couple of years. one factor that can play a role is access to talented candidates to hire. mansion would seem to be in a better geographic location for acquiring new candidates to hire imho.

nats has seemingly bet the farm on its lead programmer and who knows if that is a good or a bad thing. good luck to all the affiliate software people for many years to come.

XPays · 01-17-2006, 01:20 AM

btw we have:
AffiliateSystem.com
AffiliateSystem.net
&
AffiliateModel.com

what do you guy's estimate those domains are worth?

Nathan · 01-17-2006, 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

in the long run, at the end of the day, as an observer i wonder what this will look like in a couple of years. one factor that can play a role is access to talented candidates to hire. mansion would seem to be in a better geographic location for acquiring new candidates to hire imho.

nats has seemingly bet the farm on its lead programmer and who knows if that is a good or a bad thing. good luck to all the affiliate software people for many years to come.

There actually are quite a few IT companies in the NY/NJ area actually... InterActiveCorp for example has offices in New York City and NJ areas.

Of course, all the west-coast is full of tech-people, that I agree. But there also are negative things of having tons and tons of techs around, harder to find the really good ones.

We are doing quite well though for ourselves... we'll see what the next years bring us.

Hornydog4cooter · 01-17-2006, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iBanker

You guys can stop ICQing me a link to this thread.

I've seen it.

I've read it all now.

I'm staying out of it.

Chris

Damn you are no fun

justsexxx · 01-17-2006, 05:39 AM

You said Riverstyx and partnersoft are looking into different 'markets' how is their market/targetgroup different than the one from MPA and NATS?

SinisterStudios · 01-17-2006, 05:55 AM

Wow now this is one hell of a drama thread

Nathan · 01-17-2006, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justsexxx

You said Riverstyx and partnersoft are looking into different 'markets' how is their market/targetgroup different than the one from MPA and NATS?

Partnersoft for one is a source release as far as I know. They also to my knowledge do not have a lease option.

In general in my oppinion both us and MPA are more aggressively targetting a broader group of customers.

AdultMegaCash · 01-17-2006, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

I've read this thread, and also read some comments about lack of support with nats

I'm probably one of the smallest programs with nats, and i have never had to wait more then 4 hours for a support ticket to get replied to.... They also explained to me exactly what the problem was and why it happened..

also, in the beginning when i first started out, I hit up john and was talking to him about nats as a possible solution for me since paycom was extremely lacking with stats, and he cut 1000 dollars off of my price... he wasn't even running any sort of promotion at that time, but he helped me out anyways cause he knew i was just starting out

and something like that is not forgotten, and why i'll be a loyal customer forever

That is great to hear and being happy with the product that is going to run your program is what is most important over anything else.

I can honestly say in the many years using Mansion product MPA3, and MAS that I have never waited more then 10 minutes to get a reply on a support ticket. They are always on top of any issue, and if it ends up being something on my end they will offer suggestions or walk me through it step by step to fix at. Sometimes they've just fixed it themselves just to help out.

Also, anytime they've fixed an issue they always leave in the ticket what the problem was, what caused it, and what steps they took to fix it, that way I am familure with what happened and can make sure it will not happen again. Their support team never has an issue getting onto ICQ either and also walking me through any issue, and explaining it to me over and over again until I fully understand what has happened.

I think support is one of the main things to take into consideration when choosing an affiliate system and MPA has proven to me time and again that you cannot top their team.

butterflybucks · 01-17-2006, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SinisterStudios

Wow now this is one hell of a drama thread

Oh, like you've never seen one!

justsexxx · 01-17-2006, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Partnersoft for one is a source release as far as I know. They also to my knowledge do not have a lease option.

In general in my oppinion both us and MPA are more aggressively targetting a broader group of customers.

Clear thanks

AcidMax · 01-17-2006, 06:56 AM

Personally both products look pretty good. The marketing however is a TAD over the top. I think the first post should have just been the offer instead of a jab at MPA3. I read it as "Fuck you , we heard things so here is the offer". Instead it should have been "Here is the offer".

I think both sides blow things up about their product it's marketing. We have been listening to it from the day MPA2 came out, and they did similar marketing. Now there are just more companies that are doing it.

However this is why we write all of our own stuff now. Just makes things easier. Good luck to both of you.

TMM_John · 01-17-2006, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPornCash

All this bullshit you throw out here on gfy will not in any way win you any trust for sure. Talking down on your competition says more about whom you are and what you stand for, than it does about your competition. I have lost numerous sales in the old days because I was so focused on making my competition look bad.
You keep bringing to the surface the shaving thing that MPA2 had far back in time. And most people would agree that shaving is bad. BUT this was such a long time ago. Today is where we need to be and today there is no shaving what so ever. In fact Garry and Oy are the most trustable people I have met in this business so far. And I am sad to se someone like yourself trying so hard to get people believe otherwise. I feel strongly that you lost this battle and I for one lost all respect for you as a businessman.

Thanks Mr. Anonymous.

TMM_John · 01-17-2006, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

I have no idea what MPA was doing or saying in Vegas this year, but some of this rings a familiar bell.
A year ago when I was considering both products, John et. al were very upfront and helpful; Oystein talked trash about NATS and claimed things about it that just weren't true.
After that, when I was looking for a DRM solution, I looked at Playa DRM and saw who was involved with it and decided I didn't want to go there. Glad I made that decision.
Now I've been looking at members' area software. I like CARMA and probably am going with it, but I never even took a look at one other company's product.
Professionalism DOES go a long way. But there's a difference between aggressive marketing and shots at the competition on a board well-established for trash talking --- and honesty in actual one-on-one dealings.
I laugh at the first.
I make decisions based on the second.

Thank you very much Mike. I'm sorry I almost missed this. This is the exact kind of thing I speak of. When someone calls me about NATS and asks about MPA I give them my honest take on it. That it's a good product, a more simple product (which means it's a bit easier to learn for some things), but less flexible and configurable than NATS. I get way too many phone calls telling me things people from MPA have said about us that are totally off base and that really eats away at me. My exact point, and I'm glad you brought it up clearly. Sorry I missed it before.

justsexxx · 01-17-2006, 10:19 AM

what a thread

HoneyBlond · 02-06-2006, 12:40 AM

HHmm as a potential client who is currently looking at both of these options
this little hissy fit has done nothing convince me of either company's professionalism

Just Mike · 02-06-2006, 01:24 AM

In my opinion this is one of the most TACKY posts i have ever seen. Additionally, it is my opinion that any company that would do something so LOW as to Try to take customers from the competition by offering such a deal is a company I would stay away from.

I am pretty sure this is legally actionable against the company that posted this thread, due to unfair competition...however I am not an attorney.

01-16-2006, 06:18 PM	#151
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01-16-2006, 06:22 PM	#153
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01-16-2006, 06:43 PM	#154
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,811	Competition is healthy, for sure. When there is pressure to compete, consumers and in this instance merchants and affiliates end up with a better product. I host clients with MPA3 and clients with NATS. I have clients that are happy with each respective software. I have had clients that have moved from one to the other, etc. I consider the people at both companies to be friends - Gary, Oystein, John. We are acquainted but I've just never spent that much time getting to know you Nathan. Although I understand why both parties are posting in here, I think I was dissapointed starting with the first post. I can understand offering a competing offer, even a special to lure customers away from a competitor. In my opinion, you didn't need to go farther with that all you need to do is let the product speak for itself. That is all anyone ever really needs to do, I think. I believe, honestly, that both companies have good products. I respect your decision but it's not the one I would have made, personally. I will leave everyone on this note... A long while back, I got a call from Oystein. He very patiently confronted me with some information, basically saying that he had a complaint from a current MPA customer that I was trying to push them into NATS. I don't know if this was an actual customer of mine with MojoHost, with 123Bill or just somebody I was acquainted with discussing the topic freely. Humility. You know, I have customers that use both softwares and I have practically been a client of both myself. I apologized, as I should have, and resolved to be much more objective. My point for even bringing this up, really, is just that I had a tremendous amount of respect for Oystein calling me out in the manner in which he did. I know that is how I like to do business, one on one and always with a preference to not air laundry in public. With all of the upgrades and enhancements to both packages I truly believe that one can't really go wrong with either one. I don't have to kiss ass to get business, I just tell things like I see it. When NATS first came out I, like everyone else, was excited to see a new product to market. I endorsed it before I was ever a client of it and that was an immature decision of mine. I have long since seen proof of the fact that the issues I had with my own conversion from MPA2 to MPA3 were unique or at least ultimately resolved. I host some very successful programs on both packages and I can't honestly say that I have clients on either side of the fence that are unhappy with their respective solution provider. I don't give any glowing endorsement. As a host and a biller, I see the best and worst of both. As far as I am concerned with my level of experience, knowledge and observance of both products the options are "6 of one and a half dozen with the other." They both have their merits, accomplishments, drawbacks, growing pains. I wish both companies success with their products. I like the my hosting clients have more options in the market, that each company has a full suite of software to choose from. The most important thing is that as a customer of any company or any service provider is that you are HAPPY. If you are not happy, try something else and hopefully the transition isn't too painful and your provider doesn't hold you hostage. If NATS and Mansion can agree on anything, I would think, it is that their customers are #1. I believe that we all respect those that are kind enough to put food on our tables... I know that we at MojoHost take that very seriously. I wouldn't call this a dirty fight quite yet, but it definitely isn't pretty. I just hate to see this, I like to think that the parties, no matter how estranged, could come together enough to find some level of mutual respect so that they can compete respectfully. Cheers, Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

01-16-2006, 06:56 PM	#155
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	I've read this thread, and also read some comments about lack of support with nats I'm probably one of the smallest programs with nats, and i have never had to wait more then 4 hours for a support ticket to get replied to.... They also explained to me exactly what the problem was and why it happened.. also, in the beginning when i first started out, I hit up john and was talking to him about nats as a possible solution for me since paycom was extremely lacking with stats, and he cut 1000 dollars off of my price... he wasn't even running any sort of promotion at that time, but he helped me out anyways cause he knew i was just starting out and something like that is not forgotten, and why i'll be a loyal customer forever __________________ I like turtles.

01-17-2006, 01:13 AM	#158
XPays Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inside the most accurately counting and reporting affiliate system in the world at XPays.com Posts: 13,002	in the long run, at the end of the day, as an observer i wonder what this will look like in a couple of years. one factor that can play a role is access to talented candidates to hire. mansion would seem to be in a better geographic location for acquiring new candidates to hire imho. nats has seemingly bet the farm on its lead programmer and who knows if that is a good or a bad thing. good luck to all the affiliate software people for many years to come. __________________ InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5 HuntingMoon GFY Domains Marketplace is LIVE XPays always pays! Top Site: * RealJasmine.com * + HotelHeiress® with The Paris Hilton Sex Video Insert the HotelHeiress® HD FEED into your members areas XPin.com Opening for Pin Partners Soonish Mainstream Offers For Emailers and DomainersNONADULT.COM Like Us!

01-17-2006, 01:20 AM	#159
XPays Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inside the most accurately counting and reporting affiliate system in the world at XPays.com Posts: 13,002	btw we have: AffiliateSystem.com AffiliateSystem.net & AffiliateModel.com what do you guy's estimate those domains are worth? __________________ InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5 HuntingMoon GFY Domains Marketplace is LIVE XPays always pays! Top Site: * RealJasmine.com * + HotelHeiress® with The Paris Hilton Sex Video Insert the HotelHeiress® HD FEED into your members areas XPin.com Opening for Pin Partners Soonish Mainstream Offers For Emailers and DomainersNONADULT.COM Like Us!

01-17-2006, 05:39 AM	#162
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01-17-2006, 05:55 AM	#163
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01-17-2006, 06:56 AM	#168
AcidMax Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: MI Posts: 1,827	Personally both products look pretty good. The marketing however is a TAD over the top. I think the first post should have just been the offer instead of a jab at MPA3. I read it as "Fuck you , we heard things so here is the offer". Instead it should have been "Here is the offer". I think both sides blow things up about their product it's marketing. We have been listening to it from the day MPA2 came out, and they did similar marketing. Now there are just more companies that are doing it. However this is why we write all of our own stuff now. Just makes things easier. Good luck to both of you. __________________ Latest MMA news. http://www.mmawrapup.com

01-17-2006, 10:19 AM	#171
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02-06-2006, 12:40 AM	#172
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02-06-2006, 01:24 AM	#173
Just Mike Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a land FAR FAR away Posts: 3,726	In my opinion this is one of the most TACKY posts i have ever seen. Additionally, it is my opinion that any company that would do something so LOW as to Try to take customers from the competition by offering such a deal is a company I would stay away from. I am pretty sure this is legally actionable against the company that posted this thread, due to unfair competition...however I am not an attorney. __________________ EMAIL: [email protected] / ICQ: 56205262 AWEMPIRE Last edited by Just Mike; 02-06-2006 at 01:25 AM..