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Old 01-31-2006, 10:48 AM   #51
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Australia isn't a 3rd world country you fucking retard

It's a first world country, just like the country you live in...
Do you have a bigger map? Can't see my street on that one!
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Old 01-31-2006, 10:59 AM   #52
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I've been offered a job in Salt Lake City from the president of a New Energy Institute that's currently working on a technology for the tapping of space energy to create electrical energy. He's my personal friend and i work with him online. But I'm probably staying here for now. Why? Check out one of the reasons in the mirror!
Oh god this is classic... working at the new energy institue harnessing 'space energy'. Lemme know how that works out. Oh wait, no one will ever hear about this because it will threaten big-oil and thus the government will shut it down... so the patents will never see the light of day, right? And all the people who know anything about it will mysteriously disappear, right? And there will be no research published in scientific journals because the government wont allow it, right? And because it flies in the face of accepted physics it will be debunked by government supported scientists, right?

P.S. - I am a Mason and a shape-shifting reptile. I have relatives who live inside the hollow earth.
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Old 01-31-2006, 11:12 AM   #54
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Oh god this is classic... working at the new energy institue harnessing 'space energy'. Lemme know how that works out. Oh wait, no one will ever hear about this because it will threaten big-oil and thus the government will shut it down... so the patents will never see the light of day, right? And all the people who know anything about it will mysteriously disappear, right? And there will be no research published in scientific journals because the government wont allow it, right? And because it flies in the face of accepted physics it will be debunked by government supported scientists, right?

P.S. - I am a Mason and a shape-shifting reptile. I have relatives who live inside the hollow earth.
http://www.opensourceenergy.com/_lay...s/dp/index.asp

P.S. I'm a starship commander from the Pleiads, nice to meet you!
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Oh god this is classic... working at the new energy institue harnessing 'space energy'. Lemme know how that works out. Oh wait, no one will ever hear about this because it will threaten big-oil and thus the government will shut it down... so the patents will never see the light of day, right? And all the people who know anything about it will mysteriously disappear, right? And there will be no research published in scientific journals because the government wont allow it, right? And because it flies in the face of accepted physics it will be debunked by government supported scientists, right?

P.S. - I am a Mason and a shape-shifting reptile. I have relatives who live inside the hollow earth.
whos the conspiracy nut now..you think the governement and big oil just goes around shuttong down big companies and research projects?

if you really think that is happening..then all statements made from you previously need to be examined.

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Do you honestly believe that anything from Flight 77 have been found here in this rabbit hole?

If it was a missle, why wasn't the entire Pentagon destroyed? Haven't you seen footage of guided missles hitting buildings. I know there's plenty of videos that have been aired on the news during the Iraq war. Whenever a missle hits a building it is DESTROYED. It doesn't just leave a little hole in the wall and destroy a few rooms... The building is completely annihilated. And again, going by your logic, if it was a missle, why is the hole in the wall so big?
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Old 01-31-2006, 12:49 PM   #57
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whos the conspiracy nut now..you think the governement and big oil just goes around shuttong down big companies and research projects?

if you really think that is happening..then all statements made from you previously need to be examined.

errrr... sarcasm?
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the remains found and identified at the pentagon site?
Can you please share your source for this information?
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THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL DOCUMENTARY ABOUT 9/11 AIRS ON AUSTRALIAN TV NETWORK

January 5, 2006
Contact: Dave vonKleist 573-378-6049

?911 - In Plane Site,? the most controversial video documentary ever produced about 9/11, aired on Australia?s ?TEN? television network Wednesday evening. For one and a half hours, hundreds of thousands of Australians were mesmerized and shocked by images of the 9/11 attacks that to this day had never been seen by the public. It is reported that the network has received more response from the airing of ?911 In Plane Site? than in recent history.? www.911inplanesite.com

Network executives are scrambling to meet the demands of callers that jammed the phone lines and requested a re-airing of the documentary. According to a network programming spokesperson, the overwhelming majority of calls were positive and viewers thanked the network for airing the program.

E-mails poured into the producers of ?911 In Plane Site? on Wednesday expressing support and thanks for the production as well as sadness, fear and anger as a result of the cover-up of the information contained in the video.

Despite efforts to suppress the information and questions raised in ?911 ? In Plane Site,? an increasing number of military experts and commercial airline pilots are coming forward to support and validate the information contained in the documentary. Many are now calling for a re-opening of the investigation into the September 11th attacks.

Dave vonKleist, producer and co-host of ?The Power Hour? radio program (www.thepowerhour.com) stated: ?The American people and the people of the world deserve the truth. Every country has been dramatically affected by 9/11 and the evidence indicates that we all have been lied to by government and media officials. Justice must be served and the real terrorists must be exposed and prosecuted.?

The Power Hour
www.thepowerhour.com
Joyce Riley & Dave vonKleist

Why were America and the world never shown the video and photographs of the Pentagon, BEFORE the outer wall had collapsed showing only one 16 ft. hole. Many people do not realize that the outer wall did not collapse until a full 20 minutes after the initial impact. See these astonishing photographs and video footage for the first time.

THERE WERE PLENTY OF PHOTOS OF THE PENTAGON. SO WHAT THE WALL DIDN'T COLLAPSE IMMEDIATELY?

Given that the outer wall of the Pentagon had not yet collapsed and the only hole is approximately 16 ft. in diameter - how does a plane over 44 feet tall and 125 ft. wide fit into that hole as shown in the crystal-clear and close-up photographic evidence from the Pentagon? Furthermore, can physics explain why there is no damage to the Pentagon's upper floors where the tail section would have hit?

IT FIRST STRUCK THE PENTAGON LAWN, CARTWHEELED AND SHATTERED AND SLID INTO THE BUILDING.

?I heard a very loud, quick whooshing sound. I was convinced it was a missile. It came in so fast ? it sounded nothing like an airplane.?
Lon Rains - editor for Space News (Pentagon eyewitness)

PLANES TRAVELLING 400 MPH TEND TO SOUND THAT WAY. YOU DON'T HEAR PLANES LIKE THAT AT THE AIRPORT BECAUSE MILES OUT THE FLAPS SLOW THEM DOWN TO LAND.

In the aftermath, it was reported by media sources that a giant 100 ft. crater was plowed into the front lawn of the Pentagon as the result of a powerful airliner crash? Why does photographic evidence overwhelmingly show that this was absolutely not the case? Why no crater? Why no skid marks? Why no burn marks? Why was the entire world deliberately mislead? Examine the video and photographic evidence for yourself.

THE HOLE IS THERE. WITNESSES SAW THE PLANE CRASH INTO THE LAWN.

How does a Boeing 757, constructed from lightweight aluminum, penetrate over 9 ft. of steel reinforced concrete? Photographs and recently discovered computer animations help shed light on this unexplained feat of physics.

IT'S CALLED KINETIC ENERGY.

A 757, WHILE CONSTRUCTED OF A "LIGHT" MATERIAL, STILL WEIGHTS ALOT, ESPECIALLY LOADED WITH FUEL, BAGGAGE, CARGO, AND PASSENGERS.

Contrary to the pictures shown to the American public, after the fact, why does photographic evidence taken only a few moments after the Pentagon event show no wreckage on the lawn of the Pentagon? Where is the plane? Where is the tail, the wings, the luggage, the seats, the landing gear; the engines? What happened to the passengers? Examine the photos that you were never meant to see.

MAYBE ALIENS BEAMED THEM AWAY.

At the World Trade Center, why did firefighters, reporters and other on the scene eyewitnesses describe a demolition-like, pancake collapse of buildings One, Two & Seven? Hear the outrageous admissions made by the building lease owner recorded on video, plus shocking new video evidence helps to answer some of these important questions.

THE FIRE WEAKENED THE TRUSSES, AND TRUSSSES FAILED. THAT CAUSED A PANCAKE COLLAPSE, CLEARLY SEEN ON VIDEO.

What is the bright flash on the right side of the Boeing 767, seen just before impact on both the North Tower & the South Tower, captured on video by 5 separate cameramen including CNN and ABC? Slow motion analysis reveals startling verification of this extraordinary event and begs the question, "What is it?"
Find out what former military personnel think this could be.

PROBABLY A REFLECTION OF THE SUN, OR COULD BE ALIENS AGAIN.

Why were there numerous reports of bombs & explosions going off in and around the WTC before any buildings had collapsed? Hear & see the testimony of the reporters, rescue teams and eyewitnesses who tell a different story of potential demolition charges, unexplained explosions, and vehicles loaded with explosives as reported on live television the morning of Sept. 11, 2001.

WATCH THE VANS CARRYING THE LITTLE GREEN MEN.

Why did a FOX News employee, who witnessed the second tower attack, report seeing no windows on ?Flight 175? a commercial United Airlines jetliner? Why did another eyewitness report that United Airlines Flight 175 was not a commercial airliner? What kind of plane hit the second tower?

CON AIR. IT WAS CARRYING NICHOLAS CAGE WHO BAILED OUT OVER THE HUDSON RIVER.

Is there some type of exterior swelling protruding from the undercarriage of ?Flight 175? ? An independently conducted computerized digital analysis says yes. Where was this "instrument" attached? How could it have departed from a commercial airport without being noticed? What purpose did it serve in the attacks? Full-screen television blow-ups directly from CNN and other mainstream sources reveal the intricate details of this strange anomaly.

THE 767 WAS PROBABLY JUST PREGNANT, NO BIG DEAL.
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Why were America and the world never shown the video and photographs of the Pentagon, BEFORE the outer wall had collapsed showing only one 16 ft. hole. Many people do not realize that the outer wall did not collapse until a full 20 minutes after the initial impact. See these astonishing photographs and video footage for the first time.

THERE WERE PLENTY OF PHOTOS OF THE PENTAGON. SO WHAT THE WALL DIDN'T COLLAPSE IMMEDIATELY?

Given that the outer wall of the Pentagon had not yet collapsed and the only hole is approximately 16 ft. in diameter - how does a plane over 44 feet tall and 125 ft. wide fit into that hole as shown in the crystal-clear and close-up photographic evidence from the Pentagon? Furthermore, can physics explain why there is no damage to the Pentagon's upper floors where the tail section would have hit?

IT FIRST STRUCK THE PENTAGON LAWN, CARTWHEELED AND SHATTERED AND SLID INTO THE BUILDING.

?I heard a very loud, quick whooshing sound. I was convinced it was a missile. It came in so fast ? it sounded nothing like an airplane.?
Lon Rains - editor for Space News (Pentagon eyewitness)

PLANES TRAVELLING 400 MPH TEND TO SOUND THAT WAY. YOU DON'T HEAR PLANES LIKE THAT AT THE AIRPORT BECAUSE MILES OUT THE FLAPS SLOW THEM DOWN TO LAND.

In the aftermath, it was reported by media sources that a giant 100 ft. crater was plowed into the front lawn of the Pentagon as the result of a powerful airliner crash? Why does photographic evidence overwhelmingly show that this was absolutely not the case? Why no crater? Why no skid marks? Why no burn marks? Why was the entire world deliberately mislead? Examine the video and photographic evidence for yourself.

THE HOLE IS THERE. WITNESSES SAW THE PLANE CRASH INTO THE LAWN.

How does a Boeing 757, constructed from lightweight aluminum, penetrate over 9 ft. of steel reinforced concrete? Photographs and recently discovered computer animations help shed light on this unexplained feat of physics.

IT'S CALLED KINETIC ENERGY.

A 757, WHILE CONSTRUCTED OF A "LIGHT" MATERIAL, STILL WEIGHTS ALOT, ESPECIALLY LOADED WITH FUEL, BAGGAGE, CARGO, AND PASSENGERS.

Contrary to the pictures shown to the American public, after the fact, why does photographic evidence taken only a few moments after the Pentagon event show no wreckage on the lawn of the Pentagon? Where is the plane? Where is the tail, the wings, the luggage, the seats, the landing gear; the engines? What happened to the passengers? Examine the photos that you were never meant to see.

MAYBE ALIENS BEAMED THEM AWAY.

At the World Trade Center, why did firefighters, reporters and other on the scene eyewitnesses describe a demolition-like, pancake collapse of buildings One, Two & Seven? Hear the outrageous admissions made by the building lease owner recorded on video, plus shocking new video evidence helps to answer some of these important questions.

THE FIRE WEAKENED THE TRUSSES, AND TRUSSSES FAILED. THAT CAUSED A PANCAKE COLLAPSE, CLEARLY SEEN ON VIDEO.

What is the bright flash on the right side of the Boeing 767, seen just before impact on both the North Tower & the South Tower, captured on video by 5 separate cameramen including CNN and ABC? Slow motion analysis reveals startling verification of this extraordinary event and begs the question, "What is it?"
Find out what former military personnel think this could be.

PROBABLY A REFLECTION OF THE SUN, OR COULD BE ALIENS AGAIN.

Why were there numerous reports of bombs & explosions going off in and around the WTC before any buildings had collapsed? Hear & see the testimony of the reporters, rescue teams and eyewitnesses who tell a different story of potential demolition charges, unexplained explosions, and vehicles loaded with explosives as reported on live television the morning of Sept. 11, 2001.

WATCH THE VANS CARRYING THE LITTLE GREEN MEN.

Why did a FOX News employee, who witnessed the second tower attack, report seeing no windows on ?Flight 175? a commercial United Airlines jetliner? Why did another eyewitness report that United Airlines Flight 175 was not a commercial airliner? What kind of plane hit the second tower?

CON AIR. IT WAS CARRYING NICHOLAS CAGE WHO BAILED OUT OVER THE HUDSON RIVER.

Is there some type of exterior swelling protruding from the undercarriage of ?Flight 175? ? An independently conducted computerized digital analysis says yes. Where was this "instrument" attached? How could it have departed from a commercial airport without being noticed? What purpose did it serve in the attacks? Full-screen television blow-ups directly from CNN and other mainstream sources reveal the intricate details of this strange anomaly.

THE 767 WAS PROBABLY JUST PREGNANT, NO BIG DEAL.
Please do not cloud the discussion with facts. Facts and science have NO PLACE in conspiracy theory.
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If it was a missle, why wasn't the entire Pentagon destroyed? Haven't you seen footage of guided missles hitting buildings. I know there's plenty of videos that have been aired on the news during the Iraq war. Whenever a missle hits a building it is DESTROYED. It doesn't just leave a little hole in the wall and destroy a few rooms... The building is completely annihilated. And again, going by your logic, if it was a missle, why is the hole in the wall so big?
How would i know what they've used in this case... besides there are not just one kind of missiles... i'm sure that those who did it have the top-notch technology... some remote-controlled shit or so... who knows
How could it be possible that similar planes brought down not one but two 110 stories skyscrapers (which again is a lie, explosives were used) while in Pentagon it left just tiny hole...

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HERO ON DUTY HEARD EXPLOSIONS IN THE NORTH TOWER BASEMENT.
William Rodriguez, declared a hero for saving numerous lives at Ground Zero, was the janitor on duty the
morning of 9/11 who heard and felt explosions rock the basement sub-levels of the north tower just seconds
before the jetliner struck the top floors.
"When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet
vibrated, the walls started cracking and it everything started shaking," said
Rodriguez, who was huddled together with at least 14 others.
"Seconds after the first massive explosion below in the basement still
rattled the floor, I hear another explosion from way above," said
Rodriguez. "Although I was unaware at the time, this was the airplane
hitting the tower, it occurred moments after the first explosion."
Rodriguez was checking into work in an office on sub-level 1 when the north tower was hit, seemingly out
of harms way. However, the sound and concussion of a massive explosion in the sub-levels right below his
feet changed that.
"When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and
it everything started shaking," said Rodriguez, who was huddled together with at least 14 others.
Rodriguez said Anthony Saltamachia, supervisor for the American Maintenance Co., was one of the people in
the room who stands ready to verify his story.
"Seconds after the first massive explosion below in the basement still rattled the floor, I hear another
explosion from way above," said Rodriguez. "Although I was unaware at the time, this was the airplane hitting
the tower, it occurred moments after the first explosion."
But before Rodriguez had time to think, co-worker Felipe David stormed into the basement office with
severe burns on his face and arms, screaming for help and yelling "explosion! explosion! explosion!"
David had been in front of a nearby freight elevator on sub-level 1 about 400 feet from the office when fire
burst out of the elevator shaft, causing his injuries.
"He was burned terribly," said Rodriguez. "The skin was hanging off his hands and arms. His injuries
couldn?t have come from the airplane above, but only from a massive explosion below. I don?t care what the
government says, what scientists say. I saw a man burned terribly from a fire that was caused from an
explosion below.
"I know there were explosives placed below the trade center. I helped a man to safety who is living proof,
living proof the government story is a lie and a cover-up.?
"I have tried to tell my story to everybody, but nobody wants to listen. It is very strange what is going on here in
supposedly the most democratic country in the world. In my home country of Puerto Rico and all the other
Latin American countries, I have been allowed to tell my story uncensored. But here, I can?t even say a word."
After Rodriguez escorted David to safety outside the WTC, he returned to lead the others in the basement
to safety as well. While there, he also helped two other men trapped and drowning in the basement elevator
shaft, another result he says of the explosives placed below the tower.
In fact, after leading these men to safety, he even made another trip back into the north tower, against
police orders, in order to rescue people from the top floors.
"I never could make it to the top, but I got up to the 33rd floor after getting some of my equipment and a face
mask out of the janitor?s closet," said Rodriguez, adding he heard a series of small explosions going off
between the 20th and 30th floors, unrelated to the airplane strike, while making his way through the stairwell to
the top floors.
Rodriguez said he finally reached the 39th floor before being turned back by fire fighters and then,
reluctantly, started his descent back down and his own flight to safety while, at the same time, hearing
explosions coming from the South Tower.

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ALL CONCRETE IN THE TOWERS WAS PULVERIZED TO POWDER
The steel-reinforced concrete was actually reduced to a talcum powder-like residue. Huge piles of
nothing but dust from what was a massively strong 110-story structure. There simply is no way that this
concrete falling from a height of110 stories could cause such destruction to such highly reinforced
material. Additionally, all of the contents of the offices were also reduced to dust and fractional pieces
of themselves. Joe Casaliggi of Engine 7 describes with obvious puzzlement his experience in several
days of rescue efforts helping dig through the wreckage of the towers, only to discover that the contents
including office furniture, computers and telephone equipment had been almost completely reduced to
dust.
TRANSCRIPT: "You have two 110-story office buildings: you
don't find a chair, you don't find a telephone, a computer... the
biggest piece of a telephone I found was half a keypad, and it
was this big (holds up thumb and forefinger). The buildings
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How would i know what they've used in this case... besides there are not just one kind of missiles... i'm sure that those who did it have the top-notch technology... some remote-controlled shit or so... who knows
How could it be possible that similar planes brought down not one but two 110 stories skyscrapers (which again is a lie, explosives were used) while in Pentagon it left just tiny hole...

Well, let's first figure out a couple things:


1. Is the Pentagon outer wall made of the same materials as the 92nd floor of the WTC?


Pentagon = Steel reinforced concrete and brick

WTC = Steel exoskelton with concrete and steel floors



Well, we can assume that the plane hitting the structure of both buildings would be different. Right? They are composed of different materials and different density.


I believe, since both buildings are made out of different materials and of different density, that you would see two different results from each building. I am correct in this assumption because both buildings did deform in two different ways.


Also, if explosives were used, let's assume they needed at least a dozen installers to put the explosives in there properly.


If we assume that, then we need to assume that these people put the explosives in locations in the same spot on every floor, to cause a uniform collapse.


If this is true, then not only do you need 12 people who are completely fanatical and willing to kill for the Government, but they also need to put large explosive charges INSIDE one of the busiest office buildings in the world, without ANYONE noticing.

Also, every last explosives charge MUST go off and completely disintegrate, to avoid detection by clean up crews.



Basically, if you believe in conspiracies such as this, you need to find the most complicated plan, and believe that it went off completely without any troubles. The perfect plan, you might say.


Honestly though, the idea that gas melted just 1 floor worth of supporting steel beams is MUCH more likely to have happened than explosives.
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Steven E. Jones, Professor of research in fusion and solar energy at
Brigham Young University.
BYU website: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
and Utah Deseret Morning News, both in print format and on the web at:
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160132,00.html
BREAKING UPDATE: Professor Jones? updated work can now be found at
Scholars for 9/11Truth, http://www.st911.org comprized of Jim Fetzer, University
of Minnesota Duluth distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, and up of 50
academicians and others.
They include Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space
defense program, and Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the
Department of Labor in President George W. Bush's first term.

The group's charges include:
? Members of the Bush administration knew in advance that the 9/11 attacks would happen but did
nothing to stop them.
? No Air Force or Air National Guard jets were sent to "scramble" the hijacked planes, which were
clearly deviating from their flight plans, although jet fighters had been deployed for scramblings 67 times
in the year prior to 9/11. The procedure for issuing orders for scrambling was changed in June 2001,
requiring that approval could only come from the Secretary of Defense, but Donald Rumsfeld was not
alerted soon enough on 9/11, according to Scholars group.
? The video of Osama bin Laden found by American troops in Afghanistan in December 2001, in
which bin Laden says he orchestrated the attacks, is not bin Laden. The Scholars for 9/11 Truth
compared the video with a photo of the "real" bin Laden and argue that there are discrepancies in the
ratio of nose-length to nose-width, as well as distance from tip-of-nose to ear lobe.
? Molten metal was found in the subbasements of WTC sites weeks after 9/11; the melting point of
structural steel is 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit and the temperature of jet fuel does not exceed 1,800
degrees. Molten metal was also found in the building known as WTC7, although no plane had struck it.
Jones's paper also includes a photo of a slag of the metal being extracted from ground zero. The slag,
Jones argues, could not be aluminum from the planes because in photographs the metal was salmon-toyellow-
hot temperature (approximately 1,550 to 1,900 degrees F) "well above the melting temperatures
of lead and aluminum," which would be a liquid at that temperature.
? Building WTC7 collapsed in 6.6 seconds, which means, Jones says, that the steel and concrete
support had to be simply knocked out of the way. "Explosive demolitions are like that," he said. "It doesn't
fit the model of the fire-induced pancake collapse."
? No steel-frame, high-rise buildings have ever before or since been brought down due to fires.
Temperatures due to fire don't get hot enough for buildings to collapse, he says.
? Jones points to a recent article in the journal New Civil Engineering that says WTC disaster
investigators at NIST (the National Institutes of Standards and Technology) "are refusing to show
computer visualizations of the collapse of the Twin Towers despite calls from leading structural and fire
engineers."
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WHO: Robert M. Bowman PhD., Lt. Col., USAF (Ret.) head of advanced space
programs for the Department of Defense [DOD], Combat Veteran, Rocket
Scientist, Businessman, College Professor, Fighter Pilot, Executive in both
government and industry, family man (seven children, twenty-one grandchildren),
B ishop, and Peace Activist
WHERE: Posted on his personal Website:
http://www.rmbowman.com/ssn/Secrecy.htm
WHAT: ?Many people are convinced that George W. Bush knew what was going to happen and
purposely allowed it to happen so he and his neo-conservative buddies could have the ?new Pearl
Harbor? they needed to justify their wars against Afghanistan and Iraq. Others go further. They are
absolutely sure Cheney and company actually planned and carried out the attack. What is so disturbing
is that their arguments are quite convincing. If an enormous cloud of suspicion is not to be permanently
over the head of our government, the Bush Administration must ?come clean,? releasing information thus
far withheld from the American people. Why did John Ashcroft and top Pentagon officials cancel plans to
fly commercial airlines the morning of 9/11? If they knew what was about to happen, why wasn?t it
stopped? Who made all the millions of dollars selling short United and American Airlines [stock] just
before 9/11? Why weren?t the hijacked airliners intercepted by jet fighters and shot down before they
could fly into the WTC and Pentagon? What did the air traffic controllers say, and to whom? Why did the
FBI impound the tapes of those conversations? Why has the public never been told what was on them?
Why weren?t the congressional investigators told? If it was just a matter of incompetence or somebody
not doing their job, why hasn?t anyone been fired or reprimanded??
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NO SCRAMBLED MILITARY JET INTERCEPTORS:

1. NO SCRAMBLED MILITARY JET INTERCEPTORS:
From the first official notification of a hijacking until the last
hijacked plane crashed, one hour and forty-six minutes elapsed.
During that time no serious attempts to scramble fighters to
intercept the known four hijacked airliners were made.
Prior to 9-11-2001, it was standard operating procedure to
scramble or redirect already airborne military fighters to assist air
traffic control when an aircraft, even small civilian aircraft, is off
it?s flight plan, and non-responsive radio contact. At that time, the
average number of military sorties scrambled to intercept various
airplanes reported to be off course was between 90 and 100
annually, yet on September 11th, four hijacked passenger
airliners were flying in the most restricted and protected airspace
in the world, and there were NO INTERCEPTIONS.

2. NO STEEL BUILDINGS HAVE EVER COLLAPSED FROM FIRE:
In the over one hundred year history of steel high-rises and skyscrapers there has never been a single one, which has collapsed due to fire. On September 11, 2001 there were three such structures, which fell, World Trade Center Buildings Numbers One, Two and Seven. Since that time, there have been no others.

3. FIRES WERE ALMOST SELF-EXTINGUISHED:
The smoke billowing from the towers deteriorated into a slow thick black pall, indicating an oxygenstarved fire. Smoke of this color and consistency is a product of a fire that is being deprived of an essential component, and consequently must be a relatively ?cool? fire.

4. NO EVIDENCE OF HIGH TEMPERATURE STEEL-MELTING INFERNO:
People, soon to be victims of the collapse, were seen standing at the jagged holes in the towers, waving for help. How could they stand there if an inferno capable of melting steel was raging behind them?
Woman standing in entry hole Man standing next to entry hole

5. ALL FOUR AIRLINERS CARRIED MUCH LESS JET FUEL THAN REPORTED:
All reports stated the hijacked airliners as starting out with a full load of fuel (23,980 US Gallons max capacity, max range 6,600 nautical miles). The reality is they carried only enough fuel to reach their scheduled destination, with an additional nominal amount for safety. Fuel is extremely heavy, and
needless added weight results in added expense. Airliners are never ?over-fueled? beyond the trip requirements. This fact further compromises the ?steel melting inferno? theory of the collapses.

6. TOWER COLLAPSE SPEED DEFIED THE LAWS OF PHYSICS:
The towers, as they collapsed, actually fell at the
speed of an object falling with zero resistance, as if
in complete free-fall. It is physically impossible for
any structure falling down upon itself to achieve this
tremendous rate of fall.
Even if the tower fell at two floors per second, an
incredibly fast rate, it would have taken over 50
seconds to complete the fall.
WTC Tower One actually completed its collapse in
10 seconds, with WTC Tower Two in just 9.5
seconds.

7. UNEXPLAINED COLLAPSE OF BUILDING SEVEN:
Building Seven (WTC7) collapsed in exactly the same
?controlled demolition? style as the 2 main Towers, although an
airliner did not strike it. Official reports determined that fire
caused the collapse, as in WTC1 and WTC2. The construction
design of WTC7 was completely different from WTC1 and 2,
and did not rely on trusses from a central core, but was a more
standard construction steel frame covered with brick.
WTC 7 was actually designed and built far stronger than a
typical building of its size because it straddled a pre-existing
electric plant. Yet WTC7 fell in the exact ?controlled demolition?
type collapse as WTC1 and WTC2. The 9-11 Commission?s
Report did not even mention Building Seven at all, and when a
representative of the commission was directly asked why WTC7
was omitted from the massive report, he replied that they did not
think it was significant enough be to included
The photo of Building Seven at the left is the largest visible fire
at any point before the collapse. Does this look like a steelmelting
towering inferno?
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Well, let's first figure out a couple things:


1. Is the Pentagon outer wall made of the same materials as the 92nd floor of the WTC?


Pentagon = Steel reinforced concrete and brick

WTC = Steel exoskelton with concrete and steel floors



Well, we can assume that the plane hitting the structure of both buildings would be different. Right? They are composed of different materials and different density.


I believe, since both buildings are made out of different materials and of different density, that you would see two different results from each building. I am correct in this assumption because both buildings did deform in two different ways.


Also, if explosives were used, let's assume they needed at least a dozen installers to put the explosives in there properly.


If we assume that, then we need to assume that these people put the explosives in locations in the same spot on every floor, to cause a uniform collapse.


If this is true, then not only do you need 12 people who are completely fanatical and willing to kill for the Government, but they also need to put large explosive charges INSIDE one of the busiest office buildings in the world, without ANYONE noticing.

Also, every last explosives charge MUST go off and completely disintegrate, to avoid detection by clean up crews.



Basically, if you believe in conspiracies such as this, you need to find the most complicated plan, and believe that it went off completely without any troubles. The perfect plan, you might say.


Honestly though, the idea that gas melted just 1 floor worth of supporting steel beams is MUCH more likely to have happened than explosives.


to ffed the fire...Mike Bush was given security control over the WTC one month before they fell.

he has the connections and loyal "soldiers/gangsters" who would do as he says.

but that is speculation
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If this is true, then not only do you need 12 people who are completely fanatical and willing to kill for the Government, but they also need to put large explosive charges INSIDE one of the busiest office buildings in the world, without ANYONE noticing.
WTC Security Gaps
Suspicious Security Lapses in the Twin Towers Preceding the Attacks
An article in New York Newsday documented the removal of bomb-sniffing dogs just five days before the attack.

September 12, 2001

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

"Today was the first day there was not the extra security," Coard said. "We were protecting below. We had the ground covered. We didn't figure they would do it with planes. There is no way anyone could have stopped that."

Security guard Hermina Jones said officials had recently taken steps to secure the towers against aerial attacks by installing bulletproof windows and fireproof doors in the 22nd-floor computer command center... 1


Security Provided by Company Linked to Bush Family
Security for the World Trade Center on 9/11/01 was provided Stratesec, a company in which George W. Bush's brother Marvin was a past principal, and which was backed by an Kuwaiti-American investment firm.

Heightened Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted, NYNewsday.com, 9/12/01 [cached]

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Also, every last explosives charge MUST go off and completely disintegrate, to avoid detection by clean up crews.

ALL CONCRETE IN THE TOWERS WAS PULVERIZED TO POWDER
The steel-reinforced concrete was actually reduced to a talcum powder-like residue. Huge piles of nothing but dust from what was a massively strong 110-story structure. There simply is no way that this concrete falling from a height of110 stories could cause such destruction to such highly reinforced material. Additionally, all of the contents of the offices were also reduced to dust and fractional pieces of themselves. Joe Casaliggi of Engine 7 describes with obvious puzzlement his experience in several days of rescue efforts helping dig through the wreckage of the towers, only to discover that the contents including office furniture, computers and telephone equipment had been almost completely reduced to dust.

TRANSCRIPT: "You have two 110-story office buildings: you don't find a chair, you don't find a telephone, a computer... the biggest piece of a telephone I found was half a keypad, and it was this big (holds up thumb and forefinger). The buildings collapsed to dust." - Joe Casaliggi of Engine 7

CRIMINAL DESTRUCTION AND DISPOSAL OF ALL PHYSICAL EVIDENCEThe Science Committee of the House of Representatives reported that the WTC investigation was hampered by the destruction of crucial evidence. The committee report of March 6, 2002 says, ?some of the critical pieces of steel were gone before the first [investigator] ever reached the site.?
Although the terror attacks of September 11 were clearly criminal acts of mass murder, no effort was made to preserve the integrity of the crime scenes and the essential evidence was disposed of like garbage.
Former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani oversaw what many experts consider to be massive criminal destruction of evidence.
The pattern of destruction of physical evidence is nowhere more apparent than in the rapid removal and recycling of the steel from Ground Zero. The structural steel was the most important evidence regarding the mass murder of September 11th. No amount of indulgence of forelorn hopes of finding survivors in the rubble, nor urgency of uncovering human remains for speedy identification, can justify the destruction of the evidence.
The remains of the Twin Towers should have been afforded at least the same level of respect as the artifacts in an archeological dig, or remnants of an aviation disaster. Instead they were treated as garbage to be disposed of as quickly as possible.


PRESIDENT BUSH WAS KNOWINGLY VULNERABLE THROUGHOUT 9-11 ATTACK:
On the morning of September 11, 2001, President Bush attended a scheduled, publicized visit to Booker Elementary School in Florida. Prior to meeting with the students, he and the Secret Service viewed the aftermath of the airliner crash into WTC Tower 1 on the school?s television. Disregarding this horrible incident, he proceeded to the classroom to engage in the scheduled book reading photo-op with the students. He was in the classroom for over 15 minutes, during which time Tower 2 was attacked.
Incredibly, he simply continued reading with the children Even after being informed of the second attack by Andrew Card, his Chief of Staff, President Bush foolishly continued reading in the classroom for an additional nine minutes. The second crash made it plain to all that a coordinated terrorist attack was in progress. Finally he stood up, put his book down, and asked to be excused from the classroom.
However, instead of sensibly being whisked to safety, he lingered to deliver a speech to the teachers, reporters and students. Absolutely no attempt was made by the Secret Service to remove the President from this vulnerable
location, even though two airliners had completed their murderous attacks, and at least two more hijacked airliners were aloft, missing from all radar, their whereabouts unknown
There?s no doubt the President of the United States would be a terrorist?s primary target. The Booker School schedule was known far enough in advance to have this school included in the terrorist?s attack plan. The potential for this disastrous scenario would be instantly obvious to the elite, highly trained professionals charged with protecting the President; however, they calmly stayed in the bull?s-eye, leaving the President vulnerable, and endangering the chain of command for the defense of the United States.
The only logical answer for this bizarre behavior is; they had advance knowledge he wouldn?t be a target.
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Rumsfeld Buries Admission of Missing 2+ Trillion Dollars in 9/10/01 Press Conference
On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for. Rumsfeld stated: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." 1

Such a disclosure normally would have sparked a huge scandal. However, the commencement of the attack on New York City and Washington in the morning would assure that the story remained buried. To the trillions already missing from the coffers, an obedient Congress terrorized by anthrax attacks would add billions more in appropriations to fight the "War on Terror."

The Comptroller of the Pentagon at the time of the attack was Dov Zakheim, who was appointed in May of 2001. Before becoming the Pentagon's money-manager, he was an executive at System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems. 2 3 Zakheim is a member of the Project for a New American Century and participated in the creation of its 2000 position paper Rebuilding America's Defenses which called for "a New Pearl Harbor." 4
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WTC Security Gaps
Suspicious Security Lapses in the Twin Towers Preceding the Attacks
An article in New York Newsday documented the removal of bomb-sniffing dogs just five days before the attack.


TRANSCRIPT: "You have two 110-story office buildings: you don't find a chair, you don't find a telephone, a computer... the biggest piece of a telephone I found was half a keypad, and it was this big (holds up thumb and forefinger). The buildings collapsed to dust." - Joe Casaliggi of Engine 7

1. The massive amount of explosives needed would've been seen installed by someone or somebody. 1 week to install, wire, and double check explosives on 110 floors? Also, not a single person spotting anything, or installers feeling guilt and telling anyone?

You have to agree, that is hard to believe.

2. You need to agree with the fact that if you have 110 stories, a massive amount of weight, and heat in the form of burning jet fuel, that just possibly, JUST POSSIBLY, that computers and other relatively weak items ( I can smash a computer to bits by dropping it off my 3 story concrete low-rise ) could be pulverised in a 110 story collapse?
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A fully fueled plane traveling at 500 MPH is pretty much equal to a missle and will have the same kind of destructive and disintigrative pattern result upon impact.

I remember when that plane went straight down in Miami a few years ago. It went head first into the ground marshes and after impact you literally couldn't even discern a crash scene had happened the impact force was so obliteratory. Basically nothing was left, just schrapnel like material. It was bizarre, but that's was happens when that much force is applied to solid objects with fuel added also.

This is the ValuJet aftermath. Basically just looks like a charred brush fire and nothing else.



Same thing when you look at Flight 93's crash scene on 9/11. Nothing but a mound of burned dirt really.

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1. The massive amount of explosives needed would've been seen installed by someone or somebody. 1 week to install, wire, and double check explosives on 110 floors? Also, not a single person spotting anything, or installers feeling guilt and telling anyone?

You have to agree, that is hard to believe.
Of course, my mind can't get it thru it how this can happen and like everyone i had very hard time to believe many of these things year+ ago, especially how can so much explosives can be not only put inside the building but deployed on very specific positions. But the evidences are so many and so overwhelming. It's like this story is more backed-up by facts than the original 9-11 Comission report.

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2. You need to agree with the fact that if you have 110 stories, a massive amount of weight, and heat in the form of burning jet fuel, that just possibly, JUST POSSIBLY, that computers and other relatively weak items ( I can smash a computer to bits by dropping it off my 3 story concrete low-rise ) could be pulverised in a 110 story collapse?
Sure, that's possible. I was pointing it out because if there were explosives that didn't go off they would have been also pulverised in dust and not found by the "clean crew".


CONTROLLED DEMOLITION PREPARATION PROCESS:
Preparing a structure like the 47 story WTC7 building for controlled demolition requires specially trained demolition experts, complete building blueprints, specialized explosive charges, remote control detonators, and many weeks to plan and actually install the explosives and wire them. This is no spur of the moment project that can just be thrown together in a few hours - and a few hours was all that expired from the initial attack to the demolition of WTC7. There is no doubt WTC7 was destroyed by a controlled demolition, so the question that remains glaringly unanswered is, when was this building wired for destruction, by whom, and for what purpose. Video Clips:
Real time video of WTC collapse: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IM...7_Collapse.wmv
With Dan Rather?s comments: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IM...ocked.down.wmv

EVIDENCE OF FOREKNOWLEDGE OF THE COLLAPSE:
During an interview on 9/11 with Rudy Giuliani, he claims that he was advised by an authority to exit the lobby of one of the towers because the tower was about to collapse. How could ANYONE have known the towers were going to collapse? Absolutely no steel structures had ever collapsed before.
?I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the police commissioner, the fire commissioner, the head of emergency management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.? -- Rudy Giuliani
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It's a first world country, just like the country you live in...
You are correct... it's a BLUE STATE.
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America Is Backing Itself Into A Fucking Hole And Trust Me You Will Need All Your Big Bombs When The Rest Of The World Decides Its Time To Lay The Smack Down On You Bitches
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Your comments about the third world just highlights how ignorant you all are

Now xcuse me im jumping on my kangaroo and I'm off to collect some water from the well!
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and ps please let me know when you find those WMD's in Iraq or Osama himself

one raghead in cave somewhere and super big techo world leaders America cant find him in 5 years - what a fuckin JOKE!!!!

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Well I'm sure if we get into trouble, John Howard will call in the Australian troops to help us, since Australia is one of our great friends....

Fortunately most people in your country, and in bullsht's country of Bulgaria, are friends and allies of the US and not loonie leftists like you two..

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Well I'm sure if we get into trouble, John Howard will call in the Australian troops to help us, since Australia is one of our great friends....

Fortunately most people in your country, and in bullsht's country of Bulgaria, are friends and allies of the US and not loonie leftists like you two..

naaa wrong again yankee - All the guy does is post a link about a video that is produced and we got to deal with the bullshit comments about being a third world country - I mean wtf shit is that - if we are so third world what the fuck do you want our troops for? Don't answer I will tell you for free. We saved your arses in vietnam - are undoubtedly doign it in Iraq and will no doubt continue to do it in the future. If you think your big bombs are any use to you then please check your Terror Alert for the day and get back to me.

I got alot of friends who are americans but if they, you or anyone else wants to insult my country you will find I'll give it back and then some.
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naaa wrong again yankee - All the guy does is post a link about a video that is produced and we got to deal with the bullshit comments about being a third world country - I mean wtf shit is that - if we are so third world what the fuck do you want our troops for? Don't answer I will tell you for free. We saved your arses in vietnam - are undoubtedly doign it in Iraq and will no doubt continue to do it in the future. If you think your big bombs are any use to you then please check your Terror Alert for the day and get back to me.

I got alot of friends who are americans but if they, you or anyone else wants to insult my country you will find I'll give it back and then some.
Funny , I have never said anything bad about Australia.... You're a moron, but you live in a great country with your freedom of speech protected by a great military.
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Of course, my mind can't get it....especially how can so much explosives can be not only put inside the building but deployed on very specific positions. But the evidences are so many and so overwhelming. It's like this story is more backed-up by facts than the original 9-11 Comission report.


List your "Facts"


Please, remember a FACT is an absolute value. FACT Michael Moore is fat.

FACT Monica Lewinski blew Clinton

FACT Juicy D Links has a lot of photoshopped pics on GFY

NON FACT Kennedy shot by 2nd gunman

NON FACT 9-11 done by Bush



Sure, that's possible. I was pointing it out because if there were explosives that didn't go off they would have been also pulverised in dust and not found by the "clean crew".


Where is the residue left by the bombs?

The explosives required to take out a building like that would've left something behind. Not to mention the human conscience of guilt. Out of 12 people who did that ( Let's assume 12 people could do 220 floor's worth of explosives in 7 days, all while being stealthy, all while not being noticed gaining access to 110 floors worth of private office space, while lugging around eqiupment AND concealing it, hahahahaha ) how come NOBODY has come forward and said "Yes, I was apart of that" or "Yes I sold XXXXX people enough of "XXXXX" to blow up the WTC"


During an interview on 9/11 with Rudy Giuliani, he claims that he was advised by an authority to exit the lobby of one of the towers because the tower was about to collapse. How could ANYONE have known the towers were going to collapse?



Choppers above had noticed the tower tops leaning


Also, the building had been felt sagging, and moving slightly as it was weakening.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1861977.stm

It was indeed a plane that hit the pentagon.

Buying into some conspiracy that says otherwise is just stupid.

Seriously think about it for 10 minutes.
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Where do you saw an airplane?



come on! all the USA is FULL of cams!! they can even watch you at your home and you're telling me that this is the only photo around the most-secured building Pentagon at the time of the most important terrorist attack where the only plane on the picture is the text "plane"
both frames are in one second and there's no any airplane... this is impossible... for a 50m airplane... do you see anywhere on the frames something that can resemble any part of a 160ft plane...

i've seen this footage on this video about 9/11 and the thing that struck the wall was so small and sooo fast that there's no way it's an airplane... it was just some little spot hitting directly the wall and making big explosion...

and actually not that big as an airplane... and don't tell me the airplane was sucked it all in, because this is plain bullshit! the 160ft airplane shrugged his wings and tail, digged a tiny 16ft hole in the wall and blowed it all in...

also the official story is that it had first struck the pentagon lawn, cartwheeled and shattered and slid into the building making 16ft hole!!
all that for much less than a second and the camera didn't even catched anything than just simple explosion...

so Boeing 777 brought down 110 story building, melting steel that needs 2750 degrees celsius to melt and the Boeing 757 made 5 times smaller hole than the actual plane, didn't got any traces on the lawn on which it was purportedly cartwheeled for less than a second and didn't melted even the parking sign right on the left of the hole, what a ghostplane!!!

do you see something that have melted on that photo or will you suppose ever for any reason from the photo by itself that a Boeing airplane hit that wall?



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List your "Facts"
1. NO SCRAMBLED MILITARY JET INTERCEPTORS

From the first official notification of a hijacking until the last
hijacked plane crashed, one hour and forty-six minutes elapsed.
During that time no serious attempts to scramble fighters to
intercept the known four hijacked airliners were made.
Prior to 9-11-2001, it was standard operating procedure to
scramble or redirect already airborne military fighters to assist air
traffic control when an aircraft, even small civilian aircraft, is off
it?s flight plan, and non-responsive radio contact. At that time, the
average number of military sorties scrambled to intercept various
airplanes reported to be off course was between 90 and 100
annually, yet on September 11th, four hijacked passenger
airliners were flying in the most restricted and protected airspace
in the world, and there were NO INTERCEPTIONS.


2. NO STEEL BUILDINGS HAVE EVER COLLAPSED FROM FIRE

In the over one hundred year history of steel high-rises and skyscrapers there has never been a single
one, which has collapsed due to fire. On September 11, 2001 there were three such structures, which
fell, World Trade Center Buildings Numbers One, Two and Seven. Since that time, there have been no
others.


3. FIRES WERE ALMOST SELF-EXTINGUISHED
The smoke billowing from the towers deteriorated into a slow thick black pall, indicating an oxygenstarved
fire. Smoke of this color and consistency is a product of a fire that is being deprived of an
essential component, and consequently must be a relatively ?cool? fire.


4. NO EVIDENCE OF HIGH TEMPERATURE STEEL-MELTING INFERNO

People, soon to be victims of the collapse, were seen standing at the jagged holes in the towers,
waving for help. How could they stand there if an inferno capable of melting steel was raging behind
them?


5. ALL FOUR AIRLINERS CARRIED MUCH LESS JET FUEL THAN REPORTED

All reports stated the hijacked airliners as starting out with a full load of fuel (23,980 US Gallons max
capacity, max range 6,600 nautical miles). The reality is they carried only enough fuel to reach their
scheduled destination, with an additional nominal amount for safety. Fuel is extremely heavy, and
needless added weight results in added expense. Airliners are never ?over-fueled? beyond the trip
requirements. This fact further compromises the ?steel melting inferno? theory of the collapses.


6. TOWER COLLAPSE SPEED DEFIED THE LAWS OF PHYSICS

The towers, as they collapsed, actually fell at the
speed of an object falling with zero resistance, as if
in complete free-fall. It is physically impossible for
any structure falling down upon itself to achieve this
tremendous rate of fall.
Even if the tower fell at two floors per second, an
incredibly fast rate, it would have taken over 50
seconds to complete the fall.
WTC Tower One actually completed its collapse in
10 seconds, with WTC Tower Two in just 9.5
seconds.


7. UNEXPLAINED COLLAPSE OF BUILDING SEVEN

Building Seven (WTC7) collapsed in exactly the same
?controlled demolition? style as the 2 main Towers, although an
airliner did not strike it. Official reports determined that fire
caused the collapse, as in WTC1 and WTC2. The construction
design of WTC7 was completely different from WTC1 and 2,
and did not rely on trusses from a central core, but was a more
standard construction steel frame covered with brick.
WTC 7 was actually designed and built far stronger than a
typical building of its size because it straddled a pre-existing
electric plant. Yet WTC7 fell in the exact ?controlled demolition?
type collapse as WTC1 and WTC2. The 9-11 Commission?s
Report did not even mention Building Seven at all, and when a
representative of the commission was directly asked why WTC7
was omitted from the massive report, he replied that they did not
think it was significant enough be to included
The photo of Building Seven at the left is the largest visible fire
at any point before the collapse. Does this look like a steelmelting
towering inferno?


8. WTC OWNER ADMITS TO CONTROLLED DEMOLITION OF BUILDING SEVEN

There is an incredibly self-incriminating video interview with Larry Silverstein wherein he stated that he
decided Building Seven would have to be ?pulled? to prevent any further loss of life, and so they ?pulled
it?. Pulling a structure is common industry terminology for a controlled demolition. A copy of this
interview video available on request. This ?pulled? 47-story building then collapsed exactly as WTC1
and WTC2 had. Mr. Silverstein has since refused to comment on this issue.

TRANSCRIPT:
?I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander,
telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain
the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the
smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull
and we watched the building collapse.?
Video Clip: www.infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV
- Larry Silverstein
- CEO Silverstein Properties, Inc.

The lease of WTC1 and WTC2 was purchased by Larry Silverstein, an extremely savvy NYC real
estate mogul, three months before the attack for a cost of 3.2 billion to be paid to the NYC Port
Authority over 99 years. Silverstein was the original owner of WTC7, and is the current owner of the
soon to be completed Building 7. http://www.silversteinproperties.com/management.htm)


9. LEASING THE WTC COMPLEX SHOULD HAVE BEEN A FINANCIAL DISASTER

Larry Silverstein leased this property even though it was well known within the industry that the WTC1
and WTC2 had been constructed with asbestos fire retardant coating on the internal steel structure.
Asbestos coated all columns up to the 64th floors, only switching to a less effective and non-toxic
product in 1971 when New York City banned the use of asbestos as a building material. Asbestos is
now known to be an extremely toxic carcinogen, and would eventually have to have been remediated at
a cost that would surely have exceeded the buildings resale value.


10. HOWEVER, LEASING THE WTC COMPLEX BECAME A FINANCIAL WINDFALL

After signing the lease, Larry Silverstein promptly increased the insurance on these buildings to $7.2
billion; double their purchase price prior to the attack. After their destruction, the potential white
elephant complex became an instant double-your-money windfall to the tune of a 3.5 billion in pure
profit to Silverstein. A wise sage once said, always follow the money trail.


11. CONTROLLED DEMOLITION PREPARATION PROCESS

Preparing a structure like the 47 story WTC7 building for controlled demolition requires specially trained
demolition experts, complete building blueprints, specialized explosive charges, remote control
detonators, and many weeks to plan and actually install the explosives and wire them. This is no spur
of the moment project that can just be thrown together in a few hours - and a few hours was all that
expired from the initial attack to the demolition of WTC7. There is no doubt WTC7 was destroyed by a
controlled demolition, so the question that remains glaringly unanswered is, when was this building
wired for destruction, by whom, and for what purpose. Video Clips:
Real time video of WTC collapse: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IM...7_Collapse.wmv
With Dan Rather?s comments: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IM...ocked.down.wmv


12. EVIDENCE OF FOREKNOWLEDGE OF THE COLLAPSE

During an interview on 9/11 with Rudy Giuliani, he claims that he was advised by an authority to exit
the lobby of one of the towers because the tower was about to collapse. How could ANYONE have
known the towers were going to collapse? Absolutely no steel structures had ever collapsed before.


13. NYC FIREFIGHTERS RADIO COMMENTS FROM WITHIN THE TOWERS
There are radio recordings of NYC Firefighters that had reached the 78th floor of the South Tower, in
different stairwells. An excerpt of these recordings is as follows:
Ladder 15: ?What stair are you in Orio??
Ladder 15: ? Chief, What stair you in??
Battalion Seven Chief: ?South stairway Adam,
South Tower.?
Ladder 15: ?Floor 78??
Battalion Seven Chief: ?Ten-four, numerous
civilians, we gonna need two engines up here.?
Ladder 15:?Alright ten-four, we?re on our way.?
Battalion Seven Chief: ?I?m gonna need two of
your firefighters Adam, stairway to knock down
two fires. We have house line stretched. We could
use some water on it, knock it down,kay??

Sadly, this was just eleven minutes before they were killed in the demolition. Their conversation
indicates they believed they could knock down the fire with standard equipment, contradicting the
?raging steel-melting inferno? theory. A copy of these radio communications available upon request


14. EXPERT WITNESSES SAW AND HEARD MULTIPLE EXPLOSIONS

NYC Firefighters, trained and experienced in critical observations during cataclysmic events report
hearing multiple massive explosions, going off in a sequence that they actually attribute to what a
controlled demolition sounds like. Since that time, all Firefighters and Police actually witnessing these
events have been slapped with a government-mandated gag order.

--- What did we do? We made it outside.
--- We made it at least two blocks and we started running.
--- Floor by floor it started popping out...
--- It was as if they had detonated - as if they were planning
to take down a building, boom boom boom boom boom...
--- ...all the way down. I was watching it and running.
VideoClip: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IM..._firehouse.wmv
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You'll never convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced. Most people can't think for themselves anyway, they need to be told what to think, and that makes them happy, so just let them be happy, and quit trying to make them think too much. That's why we have Fashion Week and Oprah.

The United States isn't really known for its intellectuals, look at our fucking so-called leader for the perfect example of this.

Ignorance is Bliss.

I am off to get my latte.
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WAKE UP!

Moron, please stop usign that pic!

Get a fucking clue!

How retarded can you get! You know how to use fucking Google?



Are you fucking mentally challenged or what?



Fucking retard ape.
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Where do you saw an airplane?

Sept. 12th? That's not even the Pentagon. And furthermore, missles leave smoke trails! I don't see any smoke trails in that pic? And missles have a blast radius of hundreds of meters. Howcome the traffic cones are still standing?
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Moron, please stop usign that pic!

Get a fucking clue!

How retarded can you get! You know how to use fucking Google?



Are you fucking mentally challenged or what?



Fucking retard ape.
Thank you! I've been waiting for someone to post actual pictures. One of the better write-ups about this conspiracy is actually at Snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
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It's a first world country, just like the country you live in...
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Moron, please stop usign that pic!

Get a fucking clue!

How retarded can you get! You know how to use fucking Google?



Are you fucking mentally challenged or what?



Fucking retard ape.
is that the best you can do?

your pics are from 14th sept, after the wall collapsed

Title: FBI agents, fire fighters, rescue workers and engineers work at the Pentagon crash site on Sept. 14, 2001



these are right after the airplane shrinked into the hole





then the wall collapses



and even if this was the initial damage which is not it's still impossible

Title: The west-facing wall of the Pentagon
Description: The west-facing wall of the Pentagon sags on Sept. 12, 2001, where a hijacked American Airlines flight with 64 passengers aboard was purposely crashed into this spot in an act of terrorism.
Photographer: Trauma Intervention Program of Merrimack Valley, Inc.



maybe you are the mentally challenged, since you still believe on this fucking barefaced lie

and btw Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77
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is that the best you can do?

your pics are from 14th sept, after the wall collapsed

Title: FBI agents, fire fighters, rescue workers and engineers work at the Pentagon crash site on Sept. 14, 2001



these are right after the airplane shrinked into the hole





then the wall collapses



and even if this was the initial damage which is not it's still impossible

Title: The west-facing wall of the Pentagon
Description: The west-facing wall of the Pentagon sags on Sept. 12, 2001, where a hijacked American Airlines flight with 64 passengers aboard was purposely crashed into this spot in an act of terrorism.
Photographer: Trauma Intervention Program of Merrimack Valley, Inc.



maybe you are the mentally challenged, since you still believe on this fucking barefaced lie

and btw Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77

give up on them..they'd rather not know
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Sept. 12th? That's not even the Pentagon. And furthermore, missles leave smoke trails! I don't see any smoke trails in that pic? And missles have a blast radius of hundreds of meters. Howcome the traffic cones are still standing?
oh yeah? ask BBC what building is that...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1861977.stm
and the airplanes leaves some trace or whatever and allegedly bringing down skyscrapers not making 16 ft hole...
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Can you show me an official site (not an idiot conspiracy site) with the pic of the small hole.
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guys the us military blew that friggin plane up long ebfore it got anywhere

then they blew a whole in the pentagon to get the funding they needed.

sealed the deal...get a bit bloody and everyone will believe us
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Can you show me an official site (not an idiot conspiracy site) with the pic of the small hole.
What's the importance of where the images are hosted, they are the same pics... you can see the little hole from many photos...
What do you expect? CNN to publish that photo?
And sites like http://www.911truth.org, http://911review.org and http://www.reopen911.org are no idiot conspiracy sites but actually some brave people that want the truth, not some buffet of lies.
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yeah they needed to divert attention from the missing trillions

(CBS) On Sept. 10, [2001] Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld declared war. Not on foreign terrorists, "the adversary's closer to home. It's the Pentagon bureaucracy," he said.
He said money wasted by the military poses a serious threat.
"In fact, it could be said it's a matter of life and death," he said.
Rumsfeld promised change but the next day hahaha8211; Sept. 11-- the world changed and in the rush to fund the war on terrorism, the war on waste seems to have been forgotten.
Just last week President Bush announced, "my 2003 budget calls for more than $48 billion in new defense spending."
More money for the Pentagon, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, while its own auditors admit the military cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.
"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.
$2.3 trillion hahaha8212; that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America. To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million.
"We know it's gone. But we don't know what they spent it on," said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.
Minnery, a former Marine turned whistle-blower, is risking his job by speaking out for the first time about the millions he noticed were missing from one defense agency's balance sheets. Minnery tried to follow the money trail, even crisscrossing the country looking for records.
"The director looked at me and said 'Why do you care about this stuff?' It took me aback, you know? My supervisor asking me why I care about doing a good job," said Minnery.
He was reassigned and says officials then covered up the problem by just writing it off.
"They have to cover it up," he said. "That's where the corruption comes in. They have to cover up the fact that they can't do the job."
The Pentagon's Inspector General "partially substantiated" several of Minnery's allegations but could not prove officials tried "to manipulate the financial statements."
Twenty years ago, Department of Defense Analyst Franklin C. Spinney made headlines exposing what he calls the "accounting games." He's still there, and although he does not speak for the Pentagon, he believes the problem has gotten worse.
"Those numbers are pie in the sky. The books are cooked routinely year after year," he said.
Another critic of Pentagon waste, Retired Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan, commanded the Navy's 2nd Fleet the first time Donald Rumsfeld served as Defense Secretary, in 1976.
In his opinion, "With good financial oversight we could find $48 billion in loose change in that building, without having to hit the taxpayers."
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OMFG! $2.3 trillion missing - $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America.

and these fucking crooks are still in office!!

http://www.whereisthemoney.org
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This is not a picture of the pentagon.

- You'll note that the ground floor of the pentagon has windows spaced at regular intervals (which are not present in this picture)
- The outer wall of the pentagon is not made of bricks

The picture is also inconsistent with the size of the explosion which you are showing in those other supposed frames of the sept 11th event.

Wow, you are either one of the following

- incredibly stupid
- incredibly gullble
- live a life so empty that senseless, irrational conspiracy chasing is the only thing that keeps you from committing suicide.
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Blah blah blah...no i can not find those pics on an official site.



Fucking moron.
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This is not a picture of the pentagon.

- You'll note that the ground floor of the pentagon has windows spaced at regular intervals (which are not present in this picture)
- The outer wall of the pentagon is not made of bricks

The picture is also inconsistent with the size of the explosion which you are showing in those other supposed frames of the sept 11th event.

Wow, you are either one of the following

- incredibly stupid
- incredibly gullble
- live a life so empty that senseless, irrational conspiracy chasing is the only thing that keeps you from committing suicide.

Haha you can say that!

Someone moron on some moron conspiracy site placed a pic thats not from the Pentagon and idiots start building huge conspiracy theories around it and make themself look beyong stupid

And ofcourse all the official sites don't have that pic, only the morons with too much time to make up shit.
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