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Chris R · 08-15-2002, 01:02 AM

I have to get to bed soon, but anyone that wants to help - let me know...

[Labret] · 08-15-2002, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris R
I have to get to bed soon, but anyone that wants to help - let me know...

Do you sleep nude?

Chris R · 08-15-2002, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
More content for the site.

Vigilantism on the Internet: The "Web Posse" Crosses the Line
http://www.libertolaw.com/4-98.html

"WEB POSSE" LOSES SHOWDOWN IN FEDERAL COURT
http://www.libertolaw.com/4-99.html

Hehe - by the time I get up I won't have any work to do....

Chris R · 08-15-2002, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]

Do you sleep nude?

With the site silly. I don't need help sleeping. And no - I don't sleep nude most of the time....

Gary · 08-15-2002, 01:06 AM

Apic and Charly both love the cock

[Labret] · 08-15-2002, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris R
I don't sleep nude most of the time....

Just your underoos?

Krome · 08-15-2002, 01:13 AM

This is great Steve Easton is sitting there thinking he is as safe as cash in the bank...but banks get robbed!

I sleep nude Labret

Brujah · 08-15-2002, 01:17 AM

Steve Easton
3325 Griffin Rd. #137
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33312

29 Jun 2002 - RE: Pam and Tommy Video
"Hi I'm Steve Easton from APIC, and I lay claim to copyright on the STOLEN Pamela Anderson sex video (yes there are spastics on the internet that even claim to own copyright on the above STOLEN video). I demand you remove the above videos, as well as any reference to celebrities, because I own copyright on them too!

I'm a fucking joke. Shoot me.
(ignore the spam in the videos they don't own copyright on it either - Pamela Anderson does)"
http://www.e-t-r.net/archives/30.june.02.html

hahahaha

DarkJedi · 08-15-2002, 01:25 AM

APIC can lick my balls.
I can help with SE optimization if you need.

MikeEP · 08-15-2002, 02:11 AM

So did anyone start the site or buy the domain? Hell, he'll probaby try to sue the site based on the site using his likeness. I had problems as well in the past with Apic. They emailed me about content one time, and i just deleted the email and went on with my day when i saw what their claim was. Never heard back. Didn't think i would. Bunch of morons. Nothing but harassment.

I would join this cause.....if there is one to be joined.

Krome · 08-15-2002, 02:20 AM

There is a cause to be joined. Chris R has bought the domain and if you check through this thread you will see our ideas for what can be put in the site. We need as many ideas that can be backed up with hard evidence against APIC to make this work.

So fire away!! (preferably with bullets at Eastons head)

gothweb · 08-15-2002, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary
Apic can lick my sweaty balls. someone steals my content, i send Labret after them with a screwdriver and a blowtorch

I'd been wondering what Labret's role in the industry was. Webmaster? Designer? Marketing? Nope: Screwdriver guy. It all makes sense now.

Gary · 08-15-2002, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb

I'd been wondering what Labret's role in the industry was. Webmaster? Designer? Marketing? Nope: Screwdriver guy. It all makes sense now.

He's the best screwdriver guy in the industry

Chris R · 08-15-2002, 03:36 AM

waiting for name to propogate:

will be here...

http://66.197.11.166/

See what I mean about my design skills....

Sleepy · 08-15-2002, 06:40 AM

Suze says "He is extremely useful to us and rarely makes a
mistake, it is just unfortunate "

Thats funny because APIC contacted my friend/partner and almost shut his site down. Too bad for APIC that the pics he is selling are ones HE SHOT. His photography is so good they thought it was Suze Randalls so they launched a full scale legal attack on him. He had to mail Suze directly and tell her to curb the fucking attack dog. Its one mistake after another with them. It would be different if they asked for a license but they go right for the throat.

jimmyf · 08-15-2002, 07:30 AM

Looks to me like, Charly should not be the only one boycotted.
How about Suze Randall and www.suze.net... looks like her name comes up more than APIC.
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I do agree with this statement 100%
Will I ever buy content from Charly with
APIC handling it? Fuck no. Never.
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Charly I really think you are foolish to use these people and real dumb to come and post on this board about having a site closed down by APIC. Not very bright. You are very penny wise and dollar foolish. And am sure this is going RAT over your head.

APIC

<IMX> · 08-15-2002, 08:02 AM

The principles behind APIC seem to be legitimate; however, their enforcement seems more suited to the old west. The ironic thing is, APIC seems to follow the same methods that more than a few sponsors do--shoot first, ask questions later.

The exchange between Lensman and APIC was not only unproductive, it was unacceptable. How can anyone take such an organization seriously after they attack a well known sponsor with arrogance and attitude in the place of substance?

However, I understand that APIC seems to be the only organization that assists content providers, so I understand Charly's decision to accept the good with the bad.

I'm sure if Charly and other content providers found a similar organization that behaved in a more professional manner--treating their current and futures clients as well as colleagues with the benefit of some due process-- perhaps they would use them.

Charly would you use another organization for copyright and trademark enforcement?

I think that is an important question.

Perhaps that new "adult webmaster" lobby will create a division for sponsors and content providers to enforce trademark and copyright law.

just my

quiet · 08-15-2002, 08:06 AM

if you are of any reasonable size, you should be able to handle copyright violation in house. with it under you control, even handle it professionally. that's what we do.

eru · 08-15-2002, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
apic sucks cock

they suck dildo

<IMX> · 08-15-2002, 08:46 AM

quiet

What about those of us who are not yet of reasonable size?
Is there effective way of dealing with these problems without resorting to rogue tactics?

Paul Markham · 08-15-2002, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by <IMX>

Charly would you use another organization for copyright and trademark enforcement?

I think that is an important question.

The answer is yes, I've seen no one who does what Steve does.

Yes he's an A'hole. But that's all we have.

Quiet I would love you to close down one of the big newsgroup harvesters. They are hard to bring down, but APIC does it.

This is what these were about.

http://www.libertolaw.com/4-98.html
http://www.libertolaw.com/4-99.html

Lets all let people steal what they like and put up paysites. Then see the internet and your living die.

Sorry but Labret I can live without your business, and anyone else who thinks by buying content they can run me. I'm not for sale.

I've been in business a long time and follow my instincts and experience. I recently told a magazine

because they thought they were running my busines, they pay $2,000+ for US rights on a single set.

Anyone who has a sensible alternative to APIC can please inform me, I will support and join them.

Gary · 08-15-2002, 10:34 AM

LOL, charly, the internet has been arround before you showed up.

quiet · 08-15-2002, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly

Quiet I would love you to close down one of the big newsgroup harvesters. They are hard to bring down, but APIC does it.

i bring down (daily) anyone who breaks copyright. the VAST majority of infingers are not 'newsgroup' harvesters. they are cheating, low life webmasters. and they are very easy to shut down. we've shut down literally thousands of them. again, it's very easy - be professional with the hosts, and have the required dmca documents.

[Labret] · 08-15-2002, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly

Sorry but Labret I can live without your business, and anyone else who thinks by buying content they can run me. I'm not for sale.

WTF are you talking about? I never said anything to you.

You deal in ass and titties, so the odds of me ever dealing with you are slim to none to begin with.

I could care less if you dealt with APIC.

DarkJedi · 06-30-2003, 09:37 AM

Charly you are a fag

TarPy · 06-30-2003, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman
All they probably did was contact his host.

When they treat sponsors like scum, they have stepped over the line. Search APIC on this board, they have a very unprofessional reputation.

Charly, you've been told by some of the biggest out there. They don't act professionally.

I almost want to go infringe some shit to send APIC after me so that I can sue the fuckers for unethical business practices. and then come after the people that get them to go at them in the first place...

Watch your liability, these fuckers break the law, and can get your ass on the line for it.

TarPy

JMM · 06-30-2003, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by <IMX>
The principles behind APIC seem to be legitimate; however, their enforcement seems more suited to the old west. The ironic thing is, APIC seems to follow the same methods that more than a few sponsors do--shoot first, ask questions later.

The exchange between Lensman and APIC was not only unproductive, it was unacceptable. How can anyone take such an organization seriously after they attack a well known sponsor with arrogance and attitude in the place of substance?

However, I understand that APIC seems to be the only organization that assists content providers, so I understand Charly's decision to accept the good with the bad.

I'm sure if Charly and other content providers found a similar organization that behaved in a more professional manner--treating their current and futures clients as well as colleagues with the benefit of some due process-- perhaps they would use them.

Charly would you use another organization for copyright and trademark enforcement?

I think that is an important question.

Perhaps that new "adult webmaster" lobby will create a division for sponsors and content providers to enforce trademark and copyright law.

just my

This is not true, APIC is NOT the only one, we have been doing this for about 5 years now. In addition to being a content provider and paysite operator, we also work with 25 companies as their designated agent in regards to infringement. Our philosophy is different from APICS however on many fronts. First and foremost, it is our philosophy that the content provider/owner get paid for the illegal use of their property. Here is our process:

1. We sign a contract with the content provider/owner that appoints us their designated agent.

2. A site using illegal content is identified.

3. The infringement is documented using screen captures.

4. A cease and desist letter is sent to the site owner ordering them to immediately cease and desist from the unauthorized and illegal use of our clients property. They are given 72 hours to comply and respond.

5. Once they have complied and responded, they are sent a demand in settlement letter. The DIS letter basically outlines the content owners rights under the law (civil only, we never mention the criminal) and the site owners liability under the law. The site owner is then given an opportunity to pay a fine, usually between $1000 and $5000. They are also given an oppurtunity to pay the fine by licensing content from the content provider they have stolen from (usually double the amount of the cash fine).

Most of the time, the matter is resolved this way and no further action is needed. Everyone wins. The site owner now has legal content, and the content owner has gotten paid for the illegal and unauthorized use of their content.

However, if the site owner does not respond, or does not comply, then the first DMCA letter is sent. It is sent to the host, and in the case of a pay site, the billing company. We do not go after the sponsors. We do however notify the sponsors of what is happening and give them the opportunity to take their own action.

If the site owner does not respond or comply, and the host or billing company has acted properly (they all usually do) then the case is documented and given to legal counsel. At that point, legal counsel will contact the site owner with the same procedures outlined above and the amount of the fine doubles.

If the lawyer cant get anywhere, the case is then packaged, with all pertinent info and given to the content owner. The content owner then makes the decision whether or not to litigate. At this point, we are out of it.

By contacting the site owner FIRST, any damage as a result of mistakes is nullified. However, if the infringement is real, and not a mistake, then the content owner benefits financially. In addition, they may now have a good future customer. In addition, the infringement is stopped.

In most cases we are able to spank the infringer while telling them how much we love them. It's the old "this is going to hurt me more than it is going to hurt you" routine.

That's how we do it.

jayeff · 06-30-2003, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
Anyone who has a sensible alternative to APIC can please inform me, I will support and join them.

Perhaps for content producers it sucks that there is no-one out there who will do the same job in a legitimate way. But is that a good enough reason to support someone like Steve Easton? You really need to be on the receiving end of this sh*t to know what he is like even when you have nothing to answer.

If enough of you cared sufficiently, you could joint fund someone to do the job in an acceptable manner.

JMM · 06-30-2003, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jayeff

Perhaps for content producers it sucks that there is no-one out there who will do the same job in a legitimate way. But is that a good enough reason to support someone like Steve Easton? You really need to be on the receiving end of this sh*t to know what he is like even when you have nothing to answer.

If enough of you cared sufficiently, you could joint fund someone to do the job in an acceptable manner.

Read my post above. We do the same job in a legitimate way. All our letters are very professional and matter of fact. We dont ad lib. Everything is done open and above board. If you want to be treated like a professional, you have to act like a professional.

I won't comment on APIC. You all seem to have an opinion about them already. I can tell you that APIC has, in the past, brought down some very big thieves that were difficult to bring down.

We simply have a very different philosophy. Theirs works for them, ours works for us.

BTW...I forgot to mention what we charge for our services. We get 50% of whatever we are able to collect. We collect 0, we get 0. If step two is required, than compensation shifts to 1/3 for the content owner, 1/3 for the lawyer, 1/3 for me. If step 1 and 2 are not sucessful, and step 3 is required, we are out of it and get nothing.

Tuzz · 06-30-2003, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkJedi
Charly you are a fag

You needed to reopen a 1 year old thread to tell him that?

SleazyDream · 06-30-2003, 10:59 AM

apic has - many times - gone ahead and attempted to shut down LEGAL customers of content providers. In ERROR.

it even happened to me.

they may have shut down a few cheaters but is it worth it to deal with a company that soo stupid that it goes after your PAYING customers? believe me charly - steve DOES do this.

the caped crusador (apic) is a fool

jayeff · 06-30-2003, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
apic has - many times - gone ahead and attempted to shut down LEGAL customers of content providers. In ERROR.

it even happened to me.

Same here. First they didn't want to specify what was illegal and then were reluctant to acknowledge the license information. They never did apologise for the error, in fact the only reason I knew it was over was when I didn't hear from them again.

It took over a month to get sorted and if I had been with a host who didn't know me, I could have been shut down and out of business.

kenny · 06-30-2003, 12:14 PM

APIC blows.

I only hope they get burned for fucking with the wrong webmaster.

They kind of remind me of those witch hunters who would kill innocent women in attempt to find a witch.

"Damn she drowned, guess we where wrong"

VirtuMike · 06-30-2003, 12:15 PM

Charly, let me get this straight - you're complaining that someone stole content and had fake info on his domain registration, right?

Anyone know Steve Easton's real name or real address? Because I'm pretty sure he uses a fake name and a fake address. This makes him no better than the people he's harrassing.

Plus he is NOT a lawyer. And he's not a good person. I have been threatened by him over my content. He sent CCBill and Verio C&D and DMCA notices as well. And the content in question is sitting in my cabinet - the mounted slides, the ID's, and the releases. This is not the mark of a professional. I have since never heard from him, but if I do my intention will more than likely be to have one of my seven lawyers resolve the situation to my satisfaction.

As a content provider, a sponsor, and a tgp owner, I want absolutely nothing to do with APIC, and APIC does not and will not represent my company.

JMM · 06-30-2003, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VirtuMike
Charly, let me get this straight - you're complaining that someone stole content and had fake info on his domain registration, right?

Anyone know Steve Easton's real name or real address? Because I'm pretty sure he uses a fake name and a fake address. This makes him no better than the people he's harrassing.

Plus he is NOT a lawyer. And he's not a good person. I have been threatened by him over my content. He sent CCBill and Verio C&D and DMCA notices as well. And the content in question is sitting in my cabinet - the mounted slides, the ID's, and the releases. This is not the mark of a professional. I have since never heard from him, but if I do my intention will more than likely be to have one of my seven lawyers resolve the situation to my satisfaction.

As a content provider, a sponsor, and a tgp owner, I want absolutely nothing to do with APIC, and APIC does not and will not represent my company.

7 lawyers?

KRL · 06-30-2003, 12:34 PM

APIC's reputation for shoot first and ask questions later precedes him Charly. Most everyone I know whose dealt with him comes out of the experience ready and eager to track the guy down with a baseball bat in hand.

KRL · 06-30-2003, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JMM

7 lawyers?

You've clearly never met Mike.

JMM · 06-30-2003, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL

You've clearly never met Mike.

Yes. I have.

Tipsy · 06-30-2003, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by <IMX>
quiet

What about those of us who are not yet of reasonable size?
Is there effective way of dealing with these problems without resorting to rogue tactics?

Old thread but a point worth answering. The daft thing about APIC is that ANYONE could do exactly the same thing themselves and probably with far more professionalism to the point where more people actually take it seriously. Why hire a semi-literate buffoon and risk ruining the reputation of your company and losing customers to do a job you could do yourself?

Whatever though. I've made my feelings clear more than enough and those who don't see the argument unfortunately never will.

BlackCrayon · 07-03-2003, 02:41 PM

ah APIC, they threatened to sue me over pics i didn't even have on my website. such professionals.

08-15-2002, 01:06 AM	#55
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	Apic and Charly both love the cock __________________ Up to 35$ per join...!

08-15-2002, 01:17 AM	#58
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Steve Easton 3325 Griffin Rd. #137 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33312 29 Jun 2002 - RE: Pam and Tommy Video "Hi I'm Steve Easton from APIC, and I lay claim to copyright on the STOLEN Pamela Anderson sex video (yes there are spastics on the internet that even claim to own copyright on the above STOLEN video). I demand you remove the above videos, as well as any reference to celebrities, because I own copyright on them too! I'm a fucking joke. Shoot me. (ignore the spam in the videos they don't own copyright on it either - Pamela Anderson does)" http://www.e-t-r.net/archives/30.june.02.html hahahaha __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

08-15-2002, 07:30 AM	#66
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	Looks to me like, Charly should not be the only one boycotted. How about Suze Randall and www.suze.net... looks like her name comes up more than APIC. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I do agree with this statement 100% Will I ever buy content from Charly with APIC handling it? Fuck no. Never. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Charly I really think you are foolish to use these people and real dumb to come and post on this board about having a site closed down by APIC. Not very bright. You are very penny wise and dollar foolish. And am sure this is going RAT over your head. APIC __________________ Epic CashEpic Cash works for me Solar Cash Paysite Plugin Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hosting

08-15-2002, 08:02 AM	#67
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	The principles behind APIC seem to be legitimate; however, their enforcement seems more suited to the old west. The ironic thing is, APIC seems to follow the same methods that more than a few sponsors do--shoot first, ask questions later. The exchange between Lensman and APIC was not only unproductive, it was unacceptable. How can anyone take such an organization seriously after they attack a well known sponsor with arrogance and attitude in the place of substance? However, I understand that APIC seems to be the only organization that assists content providers, so I understand Charly's decision to accept the good with the bad. I'm sure if Charly and other content providers found a similar organization that behaved in a more professional manner--treating their current and futures clients as well as colleagues with the benefit of some due process-- perhaps they would use them. Charly would you use another organization for copyright and trademark enforcement? I think that is an important question. Perhaps that new "adult webmaster" lobby will create a division for sponsors and content providers to enforce trademark and copyright law. just my __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$

08-15-2002, 08:06 AM	#68
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	if you are of any reasonable size, you should be able to handle copyright violation in house. with it under you control, even handle it professionally. that's what we do. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

08-15-2002, 01:02 AM	#51
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	I have to get to bed soon, but anyone that wants to help - let me know...

08-15-2002, 01:13 AM	#57
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	This is great Steve Easton is sitting there thinking he is as safe as cash in the bank...but banks get robbed! I sleep nude Labret

08-15-2002, 01:25 AM	#59
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	APIC can lick my balls. I can help with SE optimization if you need.

08-15-2002, 02:11 AM	#60
MikeEP Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 464	So did anyone start the site or buy the domain? Hell, he'll probaby try to sue the site based on the site using his likeness. I had problems as well in the past with Apic. They emailed me about content one time, and i just deleted the email and went on with my day when i saw what their claim was. Never heard back. Didn't think i would. Bunch of morons. Nothing but harassment. I would join this cause.....if there is one to be joined.

08-15-2002, 02:20 AM	#61
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	There is a cause to be joined. Chris R has bought the domain and if you check through this thread you will see our ideas for what can be put in the site. We need as many ideas that can be backed up with hard evidence against APIC to make this work. So fire away!! (preferably with bullets at Eastons head)

08-15-2002, 03:36 AM	#64
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	waiting for name to propogate: will be here... http://66.197.11.166/ See what I mean about my design skills....

08-15-2002, 06:40 AM	#65
Sleepy Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Porn Peddler Posts: 679	Suze says "He is extremely useful to us and rarely makes a mistake, it is just unfortunate " Thats funny because APIC contacted my friend/partner and almost shut his site down. Too bad for APIC that the pics he is selling are ones HE SHOT. His photography is so good they thought it was Suze Randalls so they launched a full scale legal attack on him. He had to mail Suze directly and tell her to curb the fucking attack dog. Its one mistake after another with them. It would be different if they asked for a license but they go right for the throat.

08-15-2002, 08:46 AM	#70
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	quiet What about those of us who are not yet of reasonable size? Is there effective way of dealing with these problems without resorting to rogue tactics? __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$

08-15-2002, 10:34 AM	#72
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	LOL, charly, the internet has been arround before you showed up. __________________ Up to 35$ per join...!

06-30-2003, 09:37 AM	#75
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	Charly you are a fag

06-30-2003, 10:59 AM	#81
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	apic has - many times - gone ahead and attempted to shut down LEGAL customers of content providers. In ERROR. it even happened to me. they may have shut down a few cheaters but is it worth it to deal with a company that soo stupid that it goes after your PAYING customers? believe me charly - steve DOES do this. the caped crusador (apic) is a fool __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

06-30-2003, 12:14 PM	#83
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	APIC blows. I only hope they get burned for fucking with the wrong webmaster. They kind of remind me of those witch hunters who would kill innocent women in attempt to find a witch. "Damn she drowned, guess we where wrong"

06-30-2003, 12:15 PM	#84
VirtuMike Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Seat 1A Posts: 2,483	Charly, let me get this straight - you're complaining that someone stole content and had fake info on his domain registration, right? Anyone know Steve Easton's real name or real address? Because I'm pretty sure he uses a fake name and a fake address. This makes him no better than the people he's harrassing. Plus he is NOT a lawyer. And he's not a good person. I have been threatened by him over my content. He sent CCBill and Verio C&D and DMCA notices as well. And the content in question is sitting in my cabinet - the mounted slides, the ID's, and the releases. This is not the mark of a professional. I have since never heard from him, but if I do my intention will more than likely be to have one of my seven lawyers resolve the situation to my satisfaction. As a content provider, a sponsor, and a tgp owner, I want absolutely nothing to do with APIC, and APIC does not and will not represent my company. __________________ Host it in AMSTERDAM at EUROTIVITY! - We also offer BACKUP SERVICES! XYZZY4L

06-30-2003, 12:34 PM	#86
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	APIC's reputation for shoot first and ask questions later precedes him Charly. Most everyone I know whose dealt with him comes out of the experience ready and eager to track the guy down with a baseball bat in hand. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

07-03-2003, 02:41 PM	#90
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	ah APIC, they threatened to sue me over pics i didn't even have on my website. such professionals.