Just finished watching "SiCKO"...

[madawgz]

how the fuck can a HOSPITAL in the united states deny a young child treatment who has a fever of 103?!?!?

btw the child died on the way to another hospital

what....the....fuck

[jonesonyou]

sicko, and sad. Time to close the borders and keep illegals out of our hospitals.

[woj]

Originally Posted by jonesonyou

sicko, and sad. Time to close the borders and keep illegals out of our hospitals.

what do illegals have to do with it?

[notabook]

Originally Posted by madawgz

how the fuck can a HOSPITAL in the united states deny a young child treatment who has a fever of 103?!?!?

btw the child died on the way to another hospital

what....the....fuck

Because in America, big business gets to dictate who lives or dies. Long live american democracy!

[madawgz]

Originally Posted by notabook

Because in America, big business gets to dictate who lives or dies. Long live american democracy!

[tolik]

we have free medical help here. complete free. sure here also are paid one too.

all depends only - can person pay per this or not.

[jprole]

Big Business has all the money, they have lobbyists, the lobbyists buy politicians.

That's how politics work in this country.

Michael Moore's new film sicko, I havent seen, but from previous works I can imagine he takes a lot of things out of context and exaggerates the point. And its very unfortunate, because the argument can be made successfully without opening yourself up to attacks from the other side.

[pornask]

Michael Moore seems to have a thing for Canada, but it's not all that great here either. This movie along with the way Canadian health care works has been discussed on one Canadian board --> albertastars.com/posts.php?forum=4&topic=447

[Jace]

Originally Posted by jprole

Big Business has all the money, they have lobbyists, the lobbyists buy politicians.

That's how politics work in this country.

Michael Moore's new film sicko, I havent seen, but from previous works I can imagine he takes a lot of things out of context and exaggerates the point. And its very unfortunate, because the argument can be made successfully without opening yourself up to attacks from the other side.

there is no possible way you can make american health care look any worse than it already does

michael moore may be annoying and he may flare some things up for drama purposes, but the overall message is ALWAYS there and he does a great job of promoting that message

[TheSenator]

Where are the right wingers?

Where are the "Praise Jesus" crowd?

Its funny, I like how he sent 12,000 dollars to his biggest fan.

[xlogger]

Man, you think the hospital in US is bad!?!?!? haha, yeah ok!!

Try getting help in a third word country, they wont do shit until u pay!

[bobby666]

seen the movie on google yesterday and i was really shocked

[notabook]

Originally Posted by xlogger

Man, you think the hospital in US is bad!?!?!? haha, yeah ok!!

Try getting help in a third word country, they wont do shit until u pay!

You're comparing The United States of America -- the richest and most powerful nation on Earth -- to a third world nation in terms of healthcare??? That's like trying to compare a porsche to a pinto... And I hate to break it to you but in many places in America they will do the same fucking thing to you. If you can't pay or otherwise show you have insurance they will leave you to die without treating you.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/13492712/detail.html

[pornask]

Originally Posted by bobby666

seen the movie on google yesterday and i was really shocked

Do you have the link? I wander if they took it down in the meantime

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by xlogger

Man, you think the hospital in US is bad!?!?!? haha, yeah ok!!

Try getting help in a third word country, they wont do shit until u pay!

I would hope our standards for hospital care was above those of Ghana.

[madawgz]

Originally Posted by xlogger

Man, you think the hospital in US is bad!?!?!? haha, yeah ok!!

Try getting help in a third word country, they wont do shit until u pay!

Watch the movie and you'll take back what you just said

[warlock5]

Michael Moore specifically targeted HMOs in the movie, very little was said about standard health insurance. Which of course you can still have and go into medical bankruptcy.

[Bdiddy]

After watching it, I envy the French.

Except for the frog eating.

[pimpware]

No wounder how US invades other countries, they don't even care with they're own citizens, how can they care with foreign people ?


Thirth world countries with bad health care ? No big deal, THEY are POOR and CORRUPT, people can't expect too much, but the richest and most powerfull nation on the planet let they're own citizans die because the fucking money ?


It is soooo much sad to see people so called "Heros of 9/11" to be denied treatment, I can't believe a big % of people can be so dumb and behave like sheeps, the magic words for a president say is :

"United States is the best nation on the planet"

The crowd love that, no matter if next day there is a war and they're son dies, fuck that, human life is priceless, but in this case the price is ZERO !


No, no, this is not a Anti-USA opinion, it's just a opinion "outside of the box".





Just curious about one thing, there is any Diabetic type 1 here ? How is the assistence on US ? How much cost monthly to treat a Diabetic person ?

[Gunni]

Originally Posted by xlogger

Man, you think the hospital in US is bad!?!?!? haha, yeah ok!!

Try getting help in a third word country, they wont do shit until u pay!

would you consider Paraguay a 3rd world country?
If so then I can tell you I went with a friend of mine to a hospital there, he needed some stitches, they sewed him up and we left, didn't pay shit and they didn't ask us for any details...

Btw. the kid in question in the first post, the one that had a fever of 103 and died in the other hospital. The mother had insurance, but was told the company would not pay that particular hospital to treat her, she'd have to take it to another hospital that was in their program. The first hospital refused to do anything because they wouldn't get paid

[uno]

Holy shit. I saw some of these reactions traveling around Europe when asked about our health care system.

It's fucking unbelievable. Healthcare for me is astronomical for some reason.

I'm sure hating sites exist for this movie already... anyone have any links? I'd love to see what was exagerrated or untrue in this movie?(I'll check the link above)

[madawgz]

Originally Posted by Gunni

would you consider Paraguay a 3rd world country?
If so then I can tell you I went with a friend of mine to a hospital there, he needed some stitches, they sewed him up and we left, didn't pay shit and they didn't ask us for any details...

thats awesome

Originally Posted by Gunni

Btw. the kid in question in the first post, the one that had a fever of 103 and died in the other hospital. The mother had insurance, but was told the company would not pay that particular hospital to treat her, she'd have to take it to another hospital that was in their program. The first hospital refused to do anything because they wouldn't get paid

seriously, how can human beings be that cold....to tell them to go somewhere else when someone is dying...

[Axeman]

The US system is a joke and absolutely cruel to its citizens.

The canadian system isnt perfect but its a hell of lot better than the US system.

A lot of people have a hard time understanding or admitting it until its their turn to get stricken with illness and get royally fucked by their insurance company. As long as they are healthy and the insurance company is making money off them, they think its a good system.

[sexxxydesign.com]

Argentina has great free medical care.. of course the waiting lines are longer than the private health system but you got great professionals taking care of you.. and its all pre paid with your taxes.. .. btw we also have free University so you can also become a doctor for free.. the us should be ashamed they cannot offer something a 2nd world country can

[The Dawg]

Originally Posted by madawgz

thats awesome
seriously, how can human beings be that cold....to tell them to go somewhere else when someone is dying...

...and claim reps get BONUSES when they deny service.

[baddog]

Blame the parents for not taking the kid to the right hospital in the first place. Going to a private hospital when you don't have the money or insurance is YOUR fault, not the hospital's.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by madawgz

seriously, how can human beings be that cold....to tell them to go somewhere else when someone is dying...

103 is not dying

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by baddog

103 is not dying

And yet the child died, so I would say you are in fact wrong.

[The Dawg]

Originally Posted by baddog

Blame the parents for not taking the kid to the right hospital in the first place. Going to a private hospital when you don't have the money or insurance is YOUR fault, not the hospital's.

Looks like someone needs a nap.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Axeman

And yet the child died, so I would say you are in fact wrong.

Okay Dr Axeman. I had a 105 temp when I was a kid . . . why am I alive?

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by baddog

Okay Dr Axeman. I had a 105 temp when I was a kid . . . why am I alive?

Ok Lloyd and this child had a 103 and died. Why is she dead? Cause she had a fever that wasn't treated and was one of the cases where it lead to death.


You were the exception where you got past it. Lucky for you.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Axeman

You were the exception where you got past it. Lucky for you.

I would venture to say she was the exception. Both of my kids had temps at 103 and childrens aspirin took care of it. No hospital visit required. I bet you can find a lot of GFYer's that had high temps with no hospital visit required.

I am sure we are missing a lot to the story as is Michael Moore's M.O.

The fact of the matter is that it was ultimately the parent's fuck up. You don't go to Macy's when you only have money for Walmart.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by baddog

I would venture to say she was the exception. Both of my kids had temps at 103 and childrens aspirin took care of it. No hospital visit required. I bet you can find a lot of GFYer's that had high temps with no hospital visit required.

I am sure we are missing a lot to the story as is Michael Moore's M.O.

The fact of the matter is that it was ultimately the parent's fuck up. You don't go to Macy's when you only have money for Walmart.

just out of curiosity, have you even seen the movie yet?

you are speaking like you haven't

[Red Ezra]

I sat stunned for five minutes after watching that movie - heavy stuff man - too real and a sad reality - not getting better but worse everyday

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by baddog

I would venture to say she was the exception. Both of my kids had temps at 103 and childrens aspirin took care of it. No hospital visit required. I bet you can find a lot of GFYer's that had high temps with no hospital visit required.

I am sure we are missing a lot to the story as is Michael Moore's M.O.

The fact of the matter is that it was ultimately the parent's fuck up. You don't go to Macy's when you only have money for Walmart.

I would agree she is the exception but when you get to the 103-104 range its a very serious issue that needs to be dealt with asap. The human body starts to shut down at that temp and the younger you are the more important it is.

But to say it was the parents fault 100% is a bit harsh and your missing the point about humanity and what a world power should be doing. She should have been able to go to the quickest hospital to get the care for her daughter and not had to call her HMO and find out the acceptable hospital in a time of crisis for a parent.

But unless you personally ever get royally fucked over by your insurance company and find yourselves broke due to the medical issues, you will never see the other side. And thats fine. I just hope if the day happens to you, there are lots of people that come to your side to help.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by Red Ezra

I sat stunned for five minutes after watching that movie - heavy stuff man - too real and a sad reality - not getting better but worse everyday

It's a very powerful movie and isn't really about the unisured people of America but rather the people who feel they are covered by their insurance only to get fucked right over when they get denied for anything and anything the insurance company can deny for, all in the name of profits and greed. Leaving people broke, stressed and dying. All people who thought they had good health care and paid good premiums for it. That's the truly sad part.

But people that have the "security blanket" and believe they are fully covered and will never get denied for the medical they may need, won't ever believe they will get fucked till they get fucked. Good luck having 2 heart attacks in a year and getting denied for coverage and lose your home at the age of 55.

The most striking point of the movie to me was the British system where they pay their doctors more for the number of patients they get to quit smoking, lower their cholesterol, improve their diets and exercise etc. What a novel approach. Treat the patients early and keep them healthy for cheap rather than wait till they are so sick and the cost of treating these patients is astronomical to the insurance companies and the tax payer.

[CybermedAndy]

Originally Posted by baddog

I would venture to say she was the exception. Both of my kids had temps at 103 and childrens aspirin took care of it. No hospital visit required. I bet you can find a lot of GFYer's that had high temps with no hospital visit required.

I am sure we are missing a lot to the story as is Michael Moore's M.O.

The fact of the matter is that it was ultimately the parent's fuck up. You don't go to Macy's when you only have money for Walmart.

I think the point is that its a sad state of affairs that the vast majority of people in the US could never afford to go to "Macy's" for someting as vital and essential as basic health care

[kane]

Originally Posted by baddog

Blame the parents for not taking the kid to the right hospital in the first place. Going to a private hospital when you don't have the money or insurance is YOUR fault, not the hospital's.

Actually she called 911 and the ambulance took her daughter to the hospital that wouldn't cover them. When they got there and were told that her insurance wouldn't cover the visit the insurance people told her to drive her daughter to correct hospital. When she arrived the kid went into cardiac arrest and died.

[Aussie-Mark]

I hope Australia's health system doesn't ever become like that in the US

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by pornopete

It wasn't his biggest fan, it was the largest anti-micheal moore website operator who had to take his site down due to the fact that he couldn't afford to run it because his wife was sick and couldn't afford the medical bills.

My point exactly.

I bet he knows now.

I wonder if he is going to return the money.

[Ravage]

MM compares the US to Canada a lot because we're neighbours. He likes to show how things are so different between the two countries; gun violence, terrorist fear, healthcare. And he asks the question, why is it better in Canada than the US?

Fact is, the Canadian Healthcare system isn't perfect. We are plagued with having most of our hospitals overrun, and under-staffing issues; But they sure as fuck are not going to leave you lying on a hospital floor, coughing up blood till you die. If this lady was brought into a Canadian hospital, she would have been looked at immediately, and she might still be alive today.

[Gumballs]

Originally Posted by Bdiddy

After watching it, I envy the French.

Except for the frog eating.

In 1987, I got sick in France and had a fever of 103, I was taken to a French hospital in Nice, admitted immediately, test run, problem diagnosed, and treatment started fast. I spent 3 days there, one day they had a nurse with me 24 hours until the fever broke. I was released with meds and anti-biotics.


Cost was nothing out of my pocket. The French are very compassionate, they told me the care was a gift from the French. I have never forgotten what they did for me and their excellent care.

Long story short, I was impressed.

[Lord Aga]

Originally Posted by baddog

Okay Dr Axeman. I had a 105 temp when I was a kid . . . why am I alive?

Didn`t kill you but it certainly did some kind of brain damage!

Originally Posted by Gumballs

In 1987, I got sick in France and had a fever of 103, I was taken to a French hospital in Nice, admitted immediately, test run, problem diagnosed, and treatment started fast. I spent 3 days there, one day they had a nurse with me 24 hours until the fever broke. I was released with meds and anti-biotics.


Cost was nothing out of my pocket. The French are very compassionate, they told me the care was a gift from the French. I have never forgotten what they did for me and their excellent care.

Long story short, I was impressed.

conspiracy theory....the french knew u would be coming back to USA and boasting about such services...they knew what they were doing and wrote it off.....JK great story though. Very shocked they did not send u invoice

[Corona]

Originally Posted by Lord Aga

Didn`t kill you but it certainly did some kind of brain damage!

No shit. That explains a lot.

When i lived in Ecuador and got sick a few times, i was impressed by the healthcare i received there. BUT i went to everything private and paid cash but i never had a bill break $100 and i received top of the line care, private nurse, high tech imaging machine...

i had a doctor come to my apartment in Guayaquil, he hammered a nail into the wall and i had a IV drip going. I had some crazy food poisoning for a weird yogurt that has crazy bacteria in it(of course i did not know that this was teh case and the locals grow up on the yogurt) and i had a nurse for 24 hours, she only wanted $10 but when she left the next day i gave her $50 and she actually came back at nite to check on me.

Point of the story, if u go to Ecuador, do not get PERSA YOGURT. Americans are not use to the bacteria level lol

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by baddog

Blame the parents for not taking the kid to the right hospital in the first place. Going to a private hospital when you don't have the money or insurance is YOUR fault, not the hospital's.

I would expect nothing less from you. Unreal

[MikeVega]

is this movie in theaters ? i haven't seen the listing .. i want to see it

hey MikeVega,

comes out the 29th in USA....you can download it for FREE online...

[Ravage]

Originally Posted by MikeVega

is this movie in theaters ? i haven't seen the listing .. i want to see it

Comes out on the 29th