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minddust · 02-25-2008, 11:52 AM

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Robbie · 02-25-2008, 12:56 PM

I wish I had time to take on a couple of big studios and bring them to the net the right way. So much money to be made.

Porno Dan · 02-25-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I wish I had time to take on a couple of big studios and bring them to the net the right way. So much money to be made.

That's what one of the biggest problems is, that there aren't enough qualified webmasters who have the resources to meet the demand of all the studios.

JP-pornshooter · 02-25-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

I DISAGREE 100% that the dvd buisness is dead. My numbers are the best they have ever been and have rose steadily the last 18 months. You gotta know what your doing, use the right talent , right editor , box cover designer.
You cant just shoot a few scenes, slap a box together and think if you dont sell 2500 pieces out the door..oh welll dvds are dead.

i agree (for once) with joe on this... if you think dvd is dead, think again. it is going to be years before a good HD download can be made to your livingroom set for the general public, yes a few select who like to tangle with apple itv possible, but generally speaking the US is several years out for this transition to happen.
yes, lots of porn companies will close in 2008 but not because dvd sales are dead..because they dont know how to run their business.

JP-pornshooter · 02-25-2008, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Far-L View Post
For as long as I have been in the biz I have seen so many companies come along seem like they were the biggest thing since sliced bread then end up toast. A lot of old school companies that tried to outsource their internet just got burned. Others tried to create internal departments and found it impossible to sort between the glorified reps that really don't have a clue other than posting on message boards and self taught programmers that have ego issues and write code that basically implodes on itself when the volume reaches a certain level.

Sun Tzu once said "victory is living long enough to see the bodies of your enemies floating past in the river".

I say surviving adversity and change is 9/10s of success in any business.

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Originally Posted by jay23

Very true. I can write a book on companies that burned money on so called marketing consultants and in house software developers who did all they can to keep their jobs by taking the companies IT department hostage...worse programs who turn out to be marketing and marketing people who think they can code.

ask farl where he makes more money, dvd sales or web site. money talks, bullshit walks...

Mutt · 02-25-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Ask XXX Jay or JC of OC Cash how well TT Boy has done.

"Awesome" would probably be a good word to describe it.

no, why would I ask XXXJay or JC how TTBoy has done - if I wanted to know how XXXJay or JC have done they'd be the people to ask - if I wanted to know how TTBoy has done the question would have to be put to TTBoy.

MeganS · 02-25-2008, 05:43 PM

As the VP of sales for Shane's World and Hush Hush .. i can assure you DVD is not dead. The only thing that is different now VS then ... multiple revenue streams .. that's the key ... for any company. It's not just about selling DVD's. It's about selling your content. Which is why i think my background in internet has paid off. Their is not a platform available i don't understand. I don't think that is true for a lot of the old schoolers. Hell i still have some buyers who don't have email addresses!! The insist on faxes.

But i can say i have noticed buyers are buried in product. They no longer even bother to carry the crap product. No more are the days of someone buying a $500 dollar camera and shooting some crap and putting it to dvd and suddenly pulling in 35k in 5 days. Their is enough good product out there. But in all honesty .. there are probablly only 20-25 studios that actually make good quality porn.

They are also sick of the same old, same old.

We are very lucky we have two large brands that have been around for a long time. I expect people without brands and "fan following" to really start dropping like flys in the next 2-5 years.

Megan

C H R I S · 02-25-2008, 06:17 PM

I personally believe that Blu Ray is a temporary fad that will also go the way of Beta, VHS, Cassettes, LP's, etc.

Blu Ray will be the hardgood format of choice for the next few year (5 years) but companies that do not embrace digital delivery methods will fade away.

seeric · 02-25-2008, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SWorldMegan

As the VP of sales for Shane's World and Hush Hush .. i can assure you DVD is not dead. The only thing that is different now VS then ... multiple revenue streams .. that's the key ... for any company. It's not just about selling DVD's. It's about selling your content. Which is why i think my background in internet has paid off. Their is not a platform available i don't understand. I don't think that is true for a lot of the old schoolers. Hell i still have some buyers who don't have email addresses!! The insist on faxes.

But i can say i have noticed buyers are buried in product. They no longer even bother to carry the crap product. No more are the days of someone buying a $500 dollar camera and shooting some crap and putting it to dvd and suddenly pulling in 35k in 5 days. Their is enough good product out there. But in all honesty .. there are probablly only 20-25 studios that actually make good quality porn.

They are also sick of the same old, same old.

We are very lucky we have two large brands that have been around for a long time. I expect people without brands and "fan following" to really start dropping like flys in the next 2-5 years.

Megan

whew thank god i have fans that will still buy my solo male performances as long as i keep making them

tony286 · 02-25-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AVNChris

I personally believe that Blu Ray is a temporary fad that will also go the way of Beta, VHS, Cassettes, LP's, etc.

Blu Ray will be the hardgood format of choice for the next few year (5 years) but companies that do not embrace digital delivery methods will fade away.

Dude plain old dvd is still king by alot. http://library.creativecow.net/artic...im/blu-ray.php
Read what if they had a victory and no one came.Its a quarter of the way down. When you read the numbers Hd has a long long way to go. Also not everyone runs out to get the newest computers.Fuck Net zero still has TV commercials for dial up .lol

MeganS · 02-25-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

whew thank god i have fans that will still buy my solo male performances as long as i keep making them

Do i see a College Invasion: Male appearence in your future?? LOL

CarlosTheGaucho · 02-25-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SWorldMegan

As the VP of sales for Shane's World and Hush Hush .. i can assure you DVD is not dead. The only thing that is different now VS then ... multiple revenue streams .. that's the key ... for any company. It's not just about selling DVD's. It's about selling your content. Which is why i think my background in internet has paid off. Their is not a platform available i don't understand. I don't think that is true for a lot of the old schoolers. Hell i still have some buyers who don't have email addresses!! The insist on faxes.

But i can say i have noticed buyers are buried in product. They no longer even bother to carry the crap product. No more are the days of someone buying a $500 dollar camera and shooting some crap and putting it to dvd and suddenly pulling in 35k in 5 days. Their is enough good product out there. But in all honesty .. there are probablly only 20-25 studios that actually make good quality porn.

They are also sick of the same old, same old.

We are very lucky we have two large brands that have been around for a long time. I expect people without brands and "fan following" to really start dropping like flys in the next 2-5 years.

Megan

I guess we might have something quite new..

The thing is, even we released best selling titles (the most succesfull with about 10 000 sales) to where they were released yet - the transaction costs as well as the time till you collect the money back (and the overall revenues) are simply killing our DVD initiatives.

Although we could theoretically produce one DVD master a week with exclusive content if we wanted to, unless there will be a buyer willing not only DVD but also say TV rights and telling us what would be their exact requirements for the product, it's not even worthy to produce them.

So now it's basically an egg or hen situation, you have a huge exclusive content library submitting tapes and promos and the three titles you have trying to show what you are capable of.

Definitely more money in TV rights, but that's not an easy company to get into.. Have two TV deals in place so far, hopefully more to come.

Porno Dan · 02-25-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

whew thank god i have fans that will still buy my solo male performances as long as i keep making them

Does this mean you will be on Big Brother next year? LOL

seeric · 02-25-2008, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWorldMegan

Do i see a College Invasion: Male appearence in your future?? LOL

Porno Dan · 02-26-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

I guess we might have something quite new..

The thing is, even we released best selling titles (the most succesfull with about 10 000 sales) to where they were released yet - the transaction costs as well as the time till you collect the money back (and the overall revenues) are simply killing our DVD initiatives.

Although we could theoretically produce one DVD master a week with exclusive content if we wanted to, unless there will be a buyer willing not only DVD but also say TV rights and telling us what would be their exact requirements for the product, it's not even worthy to produce them.

So now it's basically an egg or hen situation, you have a huge exclusive content library submitting tapes and promos and the three titles you have trying to show what you are capable of.

Definitely more money in TV rights, but that's not an easy company to get into.. Have two TV deals in place so far, hopefully more to come.

This is the same exact situation that I am in, only difference is I wish I sold 10,000 units

JJSLIMM · 02-29-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Sands

Dan! you have a bad case of ADD?.... hehe. just messin with ya bro.

DVD companies can still make money, a lot of the traditional DVD companies own huge libraries of killer content. But I have to agree that a lot of them do not know how to market this on the web.

For example (and I apologize in advance to anyone who takes this personally) Evil Angel, they have tried it several ways, this company has superb content and could make a killing and blow many others out of the water. But for some reason it is not doing it. I do not know why, maybe webmasters aren't promoting them, maybe their aff program isn't ran the way it should. I have no idea, but fact of the matter is. Unless a DVD company is willing to team up with some of the bigger players on the web it's going to be tough for them.

TT Boy for example, OC Cash and him are a great combo. I am pretty sure that Brandon Iron is doing awesome with Braincash as well.

DVD as a stand alone product is tough, you "might" break even, you need to do a lot more to make money, phone, VOD, paysites etc etc.. whore your content out so to speak.

just my 2 cents

Sebastian

sorry Sebastian but your statement regarding Evil Angel 2008 is very wrong. Maybe if you said this last year you might of been correct but keep your eye on http://www.evilangelcash.com this year ;)

Peace...

Dollarmansteve · 02-29-2008, 03:30 PM

horizontal integration.

Porno Dan · 02-29-2008, 07:58 PM

So we are all in agreement that many companies will not surrive this transition, but eveyone is being pc by not mentioning any by name.

Porno Dan · 10-01-2008, 05:31 PM

Any bets on who is next to sell?

JustDaveXxx · 10-01-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KiraSilver

It wasn't long ago that shooting for the internet was looked down upon by both porn stars and their agents.

Yup.. I started internet 6 years ago and also did DVD to get my skills up to par. The people i assisted made jokes about me shooting net back then.

A lot of my shooter friends now look to be for work and how ti get internet work.

Wow, how the tables have turned..

JustDaveXxx · 10-01-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SWorldMegan

As the VP of sales for Shane's World and Hush Hush .. i can assure you DVD is not dead. The only thing that is different now VS then ... multiple revenue streams .. that's the key ... for any company. It's not just about selling DVD's. It's about selling your content. Which is why i think my background in internet has paid off. Their is not a platform available i don't understand. I don't think that is true for a lot of the old schoolers. Hell i still have some buyers who don't have email addresses!! The insist on faxes.

But i can say i have noticed buyers are buried in product. They no longer even bother to carry the crap product. No more are the days of someone buying a $500 dollar camera and shooting some crap and putting it to dvd and suddenly pulling in 35k in 5 days. Their is enough good product out there. But in all honesty .. there are probablly only 20-25 studios that actually make good quality porn.

They are also sick of the same old, same old.

We are very lucky we have two large brands that have been around for a long time. I expect people without brands and "fan following" to really start dropping like flys in the next 2-5 years.

Megan

You are right in part, but Shanes world is a different creature all together and its successes is defenatly credited to you and the way you brand the product. The other advantage is that Shanes World never sold and resold licensing rights to the internet companies.

"hey let us give you a little extra money to use your content online. Your content already made you money. Its almost free money"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! all these stupid DVD companies fell for it and now they cant make there own sites because the sold out a long time ago a bunch of different time!!!!

Megan and Shanes World never sold out and always held their price, good for you.

These DVD companies made there deals for what they thought was free money and now its time to pay the Piper. I saw this coming a long time ago.lol ..

seeric · 10-01-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

You are right in part, but Shanes world is a different creature all together and its successes is defenatly credited to you and the way you brand the product. The other advantage is that Shanes World never sold and resold licensing rights to the internet companies.

"hey let us give you a little extra money to use your content online. Your content already made you money. Its almost free money"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! all these stupid DVD companies fell for it and now they cant make there own sites because the sold out a long time ago a bunch of different time!!!!

Megan and Shanes World never sold out and always held their price, good for you.

These DVD companies made there deals for what they thought was free money and now its time to pay the Piper. I saw this coming a long time ago.lol ..

we are the smartest cunts on the face of the planet.

Jim_Gunn · 10-01-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Yup.. I started internet 6 years ago and also did DVD to get my skills up to par. The people i assisted made jokes about me shooting net back then.

A lot of my shooter friends now look to be for work and how ti get internet work.

Wow, how the tables have turned..

Same for me, I started in porn in 1991 and directing porn movies in 1993 (Hi-8mm/Beta SP & VHS days) and started filming custom content for internet sites in standard definition nine years ago around the time of the early internet days and continue to this day with high definition filming for North American and European clients. I'm currently straddling both ends of the business, DVD and internet and doing some of my own webmastering too. Gotta look to the future and evolve with the times!

thebossxxx · 10-02-2008, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

I DISAGREE 100% that the dvd buisness is dead. My numbers are the best they have ever been and have rose steadily the last 18 months. You gotta know what your doing, use the right talent , right editor , box cover designer.
You cant just shoot a few scenes, slap a box together and think if you dont sell 2500 pieces out the door..oh welll dvds are dead.

joe thats great for you but you are producing solid stuff and havet been doing dvds since the early 2000's belive me these gsuys are dying! Even the top companies, i wont name any names..

There are no dvd companies and producers who are selling more pieces out the door
than they did 3-5 years ago, period...

Our stores dvd sales are down 70% from 2004.. and thats 5 large stores in the NYC metro area! Itsgetting real bad out there! Even many dvd distributors are closing up shop!

thebossxxx · 10-02-2008, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

That's what one of the biggest problems is, that there aren't enough qualified webmasters who have the resources to meet the demand of all the studios.

broker a deal for us!

Cherry7 · 10-02-2008, 05:29 AM

I think DVD format is going to be the dominant delivery medium for a long time to come.

The delivery will soon become the web and bandwidths increase.

A good DVD played on HD TV / Projector with upgrading will look better then fake HD on the internet.

HiDef camera/editing/ blu ray will be production and master and make the DVD produced look even better.

But of course content is the most important....

MeganS · 10-02-2008, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

You are right in part, but Shanes world is a different creature all together and its successes is defenatly credited to you and the way you brand the product. The other advantage is that Shanes World never sold and resold licensing rights to the internet companies.

Megan and Shanes World never sold out and always held their price, good for you.

Thank you Dave! That means a lot to me!

I do 100% agree we are a totally different thing. Comparing us to other DVD companies is like comparing Tomatoes and Grapes .. both fruit .. but VERY different LOL

And you are correct ... and trust me those offers for licensing are a 24-7 thing! If i hear myself say 1 more time ... "i'm sorry we don't license our content!" i may scream. But i understand how a lot of the DVD companies fell into that trap. It looks great on the surface! and why you arn't making the money via your own affiliate program ... it's easy for the company to think ... why not? it's "free" money!

Same reason we do not put our titles to VOD until about a year after street date.

Which is why i never stop reminidng myself .. Nothing in life is free ... especially free money!

xoxo,
Megan

notoldschool · 10-02-2008, 10:52 AM

I think it doesnt really matter at this point. There is enough content to go around for all the tubes.

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MeganS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cali Baby! Posts: 1,487	As the VP of sales for Shane's World and Hush Hush .. i can assure you DVD is not dead. The only thing that is different now VS then ... multiple revenue streams .. that's the key ... for any company. It's not just about selling DVD's. It's about selling your content. Which is why i think my background in internet has paid off. Their is not a platform available i don't understand. I don't think that is true for a lot of the old schoolers. Hell i still have some buyers who don't have email addresses!! The insist on faxes. But i can say i have noticed buyers are buried in product. They no longer even bother to carry the crap product. No more are the days of someone buying a $500 dollar camera and shooting some crap and putting it to dvd and suddenly pulling in 35k in 5 days. Their is enough good product out there. But in all honesty .. there are probablly only 20-25 studios that actually make good quality porn. They are also sick of the same old, same old. We are very lucky we have two large brands that have been around for a long time. I expect people without brands and "fan following" to really start dropping like flys in the next 2-5 years. Megan __________________ Megan S Broadcast, Licensing and DVD www.nmgmanagement.com

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