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mikoleg

I think everything is just made to convince the world that Russia is a bad one, meanwhile Russia is just protecting its people and the civilians of South Ossetia. Why thousands of civilians must die including the Russian peace keepers...?!

Georgia is trying to get support from US to go against Russia and if it happens then it could get really serious for everyone. Russia will never let any country to kill its people. Georgia is invading South Ossetia and Russia is just doing its duty to protect civilians and stop Georgia from criminal aggression.

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just a punk

Guys, you are not that stupid. Don't believe to me, don't believe to American and EU news, don't believe to Russian and Georgian ones. You are looking for the TRUTH, right? Thus why don't you read South Ossetian boards? Google and other Internet translators allows you to do that.

Read this: http://www.ossetia.ru/events/evakuazia/comments/ and/or other blogs/forums where you can read about the real situation directly from South Ossetians without all fuckin' mass media BS. Read that the real Ossetian people say. Fuck all the news. Fuck CNN, fuck Russia Today, fuck FOX and fuck BBC. Be wise listen to the people who is in the the center of war. They are dying right now and they are begging for YOUR help!

Why you are so brainwashed. Why can't you use the Internet to make YOUR OWN point of view?

P.S. At least you can do this. Georgian people can't - their government has blocked a big part of Internet sites there. Saakashvili acts like China leaders - he just cuts of all the "negative" info.

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Phil

i'll see pigs fly before I see objective media coverage of anything that involves Russians.
When Georgians bombed the fuck out of civilians in Osesetia there was NOTHING about it in the news.. nothing. 1500 dead and its all kosher.

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По последним данным, в ночь на субботу в перестрелке в зоне грузино-осетинского конфликта убиты шесть и ранены 15 граждан Южной Осетии. Как ранее заявил РИА «Новости» помощник командующего Смешанными силами по поддержанию мира (ССПМ) в зоне конфликта Владимир Иванов, перестрелку спровоцировала грузинская сторона.

What???

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just a punk

All the night two days ago I was watching "victorious" GEORGIAN TV news showing an attack on a sleeping South Ossetian city with "Grad's". The only thought I had: "where the hell Russian peace keeping military who MUST protect the civilians from such an open act genocide according to the international mandate". Georgian TV was sooooooo happy showing that "show". That was a fuckin' madness

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just a punk

2 days in a raw U.N.O is still unable to get a resolution. Fucking bunch of sheep.

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_Richard_

I'm brainwashed?

The very news article YOU gave me to read describes the prosecution of georgian refugees and two 'being released'.

the comments on two 'different' articles, that were the same articles, list two different groups of messages discussing the aspect that russian forces were already bombing targets in Georgia, and the debate that some didn't even trust the news sources they were reading.

just a punk

Yes you are. Read Ossetian boards and get a clue.

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Phil

something about web site designers that love to give head to other guys.

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Phil

Why are you waiting for someone to convince you? To me its common sense. Russians didn’t go in and started shooting at poor Georgians. Georgians started to bombard S. Ossetia killing hundreds of innocent civilians.. Is that the way to settle the situation? Lets say Quebec wanted to get out, so Canadian forces would just start bombing the shit out of Montreal???

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buzzy

_Richard_

we're obviously talking about different situations..

Phil

Hypothetically speaking. And yes, totally different. Canada would never think of bombing its own citizens.

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pocketkangaroo

cyberxxx, you really buy into all the government propoganda, huh? They train you Russians well.

halfpint

They cant agree on a ceasefire, lets just hope this dosent spread as the west has a pretty big intrest in Georgia because of the oil pipe that runs through it. They were saying on the news that this could affect the oil prices over here in the UK

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Fatalspeed

Russia is at war with Georgia because NATO will be discussing the acceptance of Georgia to join NATO in december this year! This is Russia's only chance to go at war with Georgia to make sure South Ossetia will be from Russia.

IF Georgia joins NATO in 6 months it would have been too late for Russia, because NATO would be obliged to defend Georgia. And Russia vs NATO = huge war with Europe and America involved, so no f**king way Russia wants that to happen!

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GetSCORECash

I'm sure it will. We will see first thing Monday Morning, that the price of Oil will be higher.

I'm sure the rest of the market will react, downwards if a ceasefire isn't announced.

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just a punk

I've told you already that I'm watching and reading all the news Russian, European and US (I have BBC, EuroNews and CNN channels). In contrast to you, I can read both Russian and English - you can't. I also read Georgian news because the speak Russian well.

But!!! The main info I can not consider propaganda I'm getting directly from South Ossetians. Go and read that they say or shout up PLEASE.

Thank you.

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just a punk

Why you are that stupid man? Do you know NATO rules? No? So why you are spreading lies here? FYI: a country (e.g. Georgia) CAN NOT BE ACCEPTED TO NATO if it has unresolved border issues. Georgia has very serious issues with South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Georgia wanted to join NATO within 6 months, but (!) it's impossible till they have the mentioned above issues. Georgian president Mr. Saakashvily decided to fix his border problems ASAP by getting over these territories by means of mass genocide.

So who was interested in this war? Who has started this war? Who has attacked seeping Ossetina civilians and Russian peace keepers? These are FACTS. Don't listen to BS. Learn the facts and don't show your ignorance here.

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Kolargol

I wonder how many Ossetians are in Gori...

just a punk

Once again to all the brainwashed ones: Russia has its peace keepers in Georgia according to the international mandate signed by Georgia as well. The main purpose of Russian peace keepers was stopping any violence and military suppression of any side which starts a fire. That's not a propaganda, that's a fact.

Georgia (one of these sides) has started mass attack on South Ossetia and Russian peace keepers. Do you have at least a few cells in your brain to understand that Russian military operation is absolutely legitimate according to the international agreement. Georgian army has killed a lot of civilian Ossetians and they also killed 15 Russian peace keepers (I don't even speak about the injured ones). Isn't that enough? Do you suggest Russia to just relax and watch Georgian army killing Russian citizens?

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just a punk

I also wonder how many Georgians are in South Ossetia...

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just a punk

Don't trust to Russian news. Trust Saakashvili's wife. She told that her husband is wanna look as strong as Stalin and Beria:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...ygtvi.asp?pg=2
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/apr/01/georgia.oil
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/ap...geor-a15.shtml
http://markalmondoxford.blogspot.com...-fall-out.html







Are these Russian news? No? Does it still look like a BS for you? Damn, guys open your eyes! You are going to deal with another bloody Georgian dictator who considers Stalin and Beria as his personal idols.

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xmas13

Russian Federation: 1, USA: 0.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...8gW1ZHBe6gM3sg
Georgia withdraws as Russia builds firepower
Russian forces took control of the Georgian breakaway region of South Ossetia on Sunday as Tbilisi withdrew its troops in the face of a build-up of Moscow's dominant firepower.

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just a punk

These are Ossetian news: http://translate.google.com/translat...F8&sl=ru&tl=en - as you can see, Russian news are much more tactful comparing to these.

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just a punk

A brief video explanation for those GFY'rs who can't read and don't bother to use Google because FOX and CNN gives them "all the info they actually need":

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GetSCORECash

McCain made the comment, that he is pleased that the United States will be facilitating the transfer of Georgian troops from Iraq to Georgia inorder for them to defend their country.

Hopefully this will get resolved soon. This conflict, will affect us all, over time.

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halfpint

Apparently the Russian navy is now blockading the Black Sea in order to stop military shipments to Georgia. Russia says it will not stop shipment of oil to Europe. Ukrain says they will not allow the Russian war ships to dock back at their ports. Strange I thought that Ukrain was more on the Side Of Russia. This is one fucked up situation. Lets just hope that Russia dosent send troops into Georgia proper. Cant believe Georgia thought they could go up against Russia They have certianly pissed the Russians off now.

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Phil

Little pricks have no control over black sea ports. Its all talk but no walk.

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crockett

Most small poor countries do spend a lot of money on their military's.. They keep much of the population in jobs that way. I'm also quite sure Georgia considers Russia as a threat so being they don't have anyone to protect them, why wouldn't they spend as much as possibe on their military.

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femdomdestiny

First, Russia never told that Sout Ossetia is independent country. (USA and EU did that for Kosovo)

Second: Sakashvili is responsible for this. In one night attacking town and kiling ordinary people is a crime. Now, russia should make tribunal like shitty one in Hague and judges should be from China,Russia, South Ossetia, Serbia or Venezuela. Just as example and give reward for Sakashvilis head.

Just hope that as less possible normal people will die on both side and hoping in same time that Russians won't stop soon.

At the end, it is not important, Georgia is pushed into war ba USA and NATO. They 've tried same what they did in Croatia .This time, calculation was wrong.

pocketkangaroo

You still never answered my question. If the battle is all about helping the South Ossetians, why the hell is Russia bombing the shit out of the pipeline?

Phil

define "BOMBING THE SHIT" for us. From what I've read its unharmed. You really think that if Russians wanted to bomb US backed pipeline they would have done on day one.

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just a punk

I've answered already. If you think otherwise, answer my question: has the mentioned pipeline been destroyed? And please don't tell me that Russians are just unable to hit the target. If the military wanted to destroy it, the pipeline won't be working right now.

Pipeline is an easy target. It's long enough and doesn't move.

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femdomdestiny

In case that is true (and probably it is not since if they are able to hit police station, long pipeline wouldn't be problem, also believe it or not, Russians also have cruise missles, just don't have time to talk about it like americans do for Tomahawks), from same reason why Americans bombed civil car factory in Serbia while helping muslim terrorist to make independandt state of Kosovo,or bombed market full of people or bombed train full of ordinary people in Grdelicka klisura...etc....

pocketkangaroo

So the reports of bombing it are just made up?

just a punk

I guess that reports of bombing the Georgian military objects (airports, weapon depots etc) are real. Reports of bombing the pipeline are not. I even believe that some bombs may really had the targets that were close to the pipeline, but the pipeline itself was not destroyed, so it wasn't a target for sure. Let's speak about facts but not about rumors.

FYI: When Russian army wanted to terminate Dudayev, they hit him with a single missile which was aimed on his mobile radio signal only.

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just a punk

BTW, any weapon is not 100% reliable and sometimes the missiles/bombs hit wrong targets, and sometimes it hits civilians (just try to count all similar cases during the US bombing of Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan) Unfortunately this is something which can't be avoided in any war.

However (!!!) if some important target was not destroyed with a first strike, it will be destroyed by a 2nd or (if you want) by a 3rd one. Once again: if that pipeline was a target, it will be destroyed in any case - doesn't matter how many bombs/missiles will be needed.

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pocketkangaroo

So everything Russia does is great and moral? There intentions are purely genuine and have nothing to do with the issues of Georgia and the West.

Do you blindly sit by and believe everything they say? I understand in your country you can get locked up for disagreeing with the people in power, but I hardly doubt they monitor GFY.

just a punk

When I told the same to SBR Richard, he said it's just a BS (note this post). Is there anyone who knows when exactly Google was bought by KGB?

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femdomdestiny

Bravo for speech of Vitaly Churkin in UN assembly.

PS.
Remember killing Chineese citizens when USA bomber Chineese embassy in New Belgrade, Serbia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bo...sy_in_Belgrade

just a punk

Sorry but this is a very stupid question. How it can be that EVERYTHING which was done by anyone can be great and moral? Everybody makes mistakes.

However, in case with South Ossetia, Russia does it right because:
1) As a peace keeper, Russia is OBLIGATED to suppress any military actions in zone of it's responsibility according to the international mandate which was signed by all sides including Georgia.
2) As a president, Medvedev have to do anything to protect his citizens against any aggression.

Who are "they"? Please re-read this post to understand why your comment above looks so ridiculous to me: http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=14...&postcount=221

How many languages you know? How many news sources you are watching/reading? How many points of view they illustrate?

Do you think that CNN tells you only the truth? Don't be so naive: there is a propaganda in ANY news (American, Russian, Chinese or any other). Just learn to use your freedom in accessing to various information and your brain to analyze it. Here is something interesting about CNN, BBC etc: http://translate.google.com/translat...sl=zh-CN&tl=en - this is not related to the war in Ossetia, however there are lots of very interesting pictures to look at

You already shown a serious lack of information and inability to analyze the facts when you started to argue about "bombed the shit pipeline".

Nope, I believe that in your country you can get locked up for disagreeing with the people in power. Yah?

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just a punk

For those who have access to US-approved news only:


Also be sure to check these articles with videos:
Russian journalists beaten up in Georgia - a good example of Georgian "democracy" and "freedom of speech" in action
Shelled city is living hell - just read and watch

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just a punk

If you are about to watch the video be warned that some people may find the images disturbing.



Why South Ossetia, why now?

Why South Ossetia and why now? The broader picture is of course Saakashvili?s NATO ambitions. He needs to unite his country for NATO to deliver on its promise of a MAP (Membership Action Program) to enter the Western military-political block. And Saakashvili desperately wants to have this completed by December when the alliance again meets.

The fact that Saakashvili is pressuring South Ossetia now is obvious ? the whole world is watching the Summer Olympics in Beijing. And it goes without saying the US will turn a blind eye to Saakashvili?s senseless aggression. NATO will probably do the same, though with the usual pinch of moralising and some fluff about respecting human rights.

I fully expect that Georgia will bring overwhelming military force to bear at some point. Many civilians will be killed. The whole operation will be called a ?police action.? Saakashvili will claim that the status quo was untenable. (This of course strikes me as odd; the current status quo is far from perfect, but at least civilian deaths were low).

Can military action against South Ossetia succeed? Certainly. Georgia can invade and occupy South Ossetia. Western countries and Ukraine have supplied Georgia with an arsenal of heavy weaponry. And American military personnel have trained the new Georgian armed forces. Will Abkhazia honor its commitment to assist South Ossetia if it is invaded? Will Russian irregulars enter the fray? We have heard a lot of grand statements about this, but both claims are problematic at best.

Let?s assume Tbilisi can ?win on the battlefield?. But will it be able to re-assimilate South Ossetia and South Ossetians? That will be very hard indeed. For about 15 years ?almost a generation ? this separatist republic has lived without Georgia, few Georgians, and the Georgian language. And Tbilisi?s brutal behaviour to stop South Ossetia?s bid for independence after the collapse of the Soviet Union literally created a lot of bad blood. To top it off, most citizens of South Ossetia have Russian passports. And there is strong evidence a South Ossetian identity now exists (and that identity is defined by not being Georgian or part of the Georgian state).

What will Russia do if there is a military strike against South Ossetia? Directly, I suspect it will do very little. It should be completely ruled out that Russia will use military force. But this does not mean Russia will remain neutral. Russia?s people-to-people contacts and trade links with South Ossetia are strong. Tbilisi will have to offer a lot of money and reconstruction ? not to mention an apology for killing its civilians - to bring South Ossetia back into the fold. And this is the optimistic scenario!

This is where Russia will play an indirect role. South Ossetians look to Russia for help. And Russia has done that. Tbilisi?s trade blockade against South Ossetia (a very poor region) has seen Russia step-in to render a hand. Russia has brought peace and stability to this breakaway republic and it wants things to stay that way. A military conflict will completely upset the current arrangement.

By going to war, Tbilisi will have its hands full. It will cut South Ossetian-Russian ties. Not only will the financial costs be high for Tbilisi, but there will be South Ossetian resentment at being cut off from Russia?s North Ossetia. And Russia will object that its fellow passport holders will be subject to civil and human rights limitations and violations.

Georgia is poised to invade South Ossetia because it can. But South Ossetia is not the real aim of this. Abkhazia is the real target. South Ossetia is a test to gauge Russia?s reaction. Once active resistance is subdued in South Ossetia, Tbilisi will taunt Abkhazia with ?See, your Russian friends didn?t do much for South Ossetia, nor will they really help you. Now come to the table and surrender.? This will be a huge miscalculation. Abkhazia is not South Ossetia.

Abkhazia is stable, self-confident and even rich - if investment continues. Abkhazia can also defend itself. A Georgian military operation against South Ossetia will have the opposite impact on Abkhazia ? the latter will turn inward and cease to be part of any negotiated arrangement with Tbilisi. And it wouldn?t surprise me if Russia drew a line in the sand ? that it will henceforth protect Russian citizens anywhere in the world (just like the US does today).

What will all of this lead to? South Ossetia, if invaded and occupied, will become a long-term headache for Tbilisi. A low-level insurgency will harass the Georgian occupiers. South Ossetian identity will only grow. NATO will also turn its back on Saakashvili - it will not induct a new member that is domestically unstable. Abkhazia will wait it out. Maybe in another 15 years the world will finally recognize the inevitable ? Abkhazia is a viable nation-state worthy of independence. I am sure the Abkhazians are more than willing to wait for this to happen. Returning to Tbilisi?s fold is simply not an option anymore.

A parting thought: Saakashvili has it all wrong. The use of force or the threat of force demonstrates just how bankrupt his vision for a united Georgia is. He wants reconciliation by use of a gun. How can one truly and honestly resolve differences when one party puts a gun to the head of the other?

I have said time and again that Tbilisi has to take the hard road to unite the country. And that way is the ?demonstration effect.? Make Tbilisi-controlled Georgia prosperous, safe, with a future, and not anti-Russia. When all of this really happens, then South Ossetia and Abkhazia might take a moment to reconsider their positions. Nothing succeeds like success!

To date, Saakashvili is one big loser.

~ Peter Lavelle

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Russia win
Go-go-go Russia to Georgia

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just a punk

Russia is not going to invade Georgia. Russia is going to stop the genocide and bring to justice those who are responsible.

Believe me - both things will be done.

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just a punk

LOL

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Sid70

You probably think that Georgians have calmly watch Separatism growing in Ossetia just like that? Chuvak, kogda Sahalin pobezhit prisoediniatsia k Iaponii ia posmotru kakaia budet u Rashki reakcia.

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