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I dunno about that. Putin is KGB and he seems to be getting a bit nuts as of late.

I think it's recurring childhood fears that haunt him, feelings of insecurity and living with a small penis must take it's toll eventually. I got no idea why Russia has such a hard time dealing with imaginary threats nor why they want to boast a strong military and try and brag about it. I can not recall anyone since the Nazi's threatening Russia with an Invasion of some sort. They live better than ever these days doing awesome trade with AMerica and Europe. Why they wanna shut that down?

Russia's Military is decrepit and outdated so stomping around other peoples land is especially dangerous. Kinda like the type to bring a knife to a gun fight.

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Agreed. And I hope that NOW Russian government will do everything possible to fix this situation ASAP. Especially because all this oil/gas money was spent for various bullshit but not for a modern weapon

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just a punk

Perhaps. Time will show.

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spacedog

Because from July 15th and 3 weeks after US troops trained and prepared the Georgian army for the attack on Southern Ossetia. Israel also provided 1000+ advisors, intel and equipment. The misreporting is intentional. There's those out there whom speculate that the attacks on Ossetia were due to US & Israel instigation.

buzzy

Iran is about as much of a threat as Togo. It is scaremongering crap, they have stated many times Nuclear weapons is against Islamic law and they dont intend to build nukes, the NIE says they abandoned their nuke program 5 years ago if they had one at all, and it turns out Ahmedinejad didn't even say Israel should be wiped off the map - he was mistranslated (on purpose or not is for another discussion) - so, everything looks fine n dandy dosent it? The Media are twisting things with Iran like we are seeing with Georgia and Russia now.

And don't cite the EU or NATO as a source, the EU is now a fascist dictatorship and NATO has turned into some bizarre colonial bro's club, what is "North Atlantic" about Ukraine and the rest of the East european countries they are trying to recruit?

cykoe6

Ahmedinejad has threatened to destroy Israel countless times. The idea that he is being mistranslated is total nonsense.

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buzzy

I havent heard him say "We will destroy Israel" 'Unprovoked' - only if they attack first, he has promised a crushing response. I haven't read otherwise.

And anyway, it dosen't matter at all what Ahmedinejad says because he is not in control of the armed forces.

just a punk

Absolutely correct. But can I ask you a question? Where have you got all this information? I'm just curious.

2cykoe6: Let's summarize my "brainwashed" point of view:

1) Georgian army has attacked Russian peace keepers and South Ossetian civilians. The mentioned military operation "Clean Field" has caused a real humanity catastrophe. True or not?

2) Georgian army has been trained and equipped by USA and Israel. True or not?

3) A whole western media was keeping silence during all the time while Georgian army was slaughtering South Ossetian people, but it (western media) started screaming in unison about "Russian aggression" right when Russia came to South Ossetia in order to protect its citizens (hint: note the thread title). True or not?

4) Today Saakashvili - the president of Geargia in presence of United States Secretary of State made a statement that his army hasn't attacked South Ossetia. He even told that Georgia was always helping the Ossetian people, but Russian army came to South Ossetia and destroyed Tshinvali, and Condoleezza hasn't pulled him up but just nodded assent to his words. True or not?

5) CNN has showed pictures of destroyed Tshinvali and told it was Gori like it was bombed by Russian army. FOX was not happy when 12yo girl told the truth about Georgia. The program announcer even said something like: "Now you said that Russians wanted to hear". Personally to me that means that FOX hasn't wanted to show any objective info but only wanted to show something that "Russians don't want to hear" which is at least not ethical for a NEWS channel. Almost the same story with other western news channels. True or not?

6) The target #1 for the USA is Iran and Iranian oil/gas. And the USA is preparing for a war against that country. True or not?

7) If there will be a straight war between the USA and Russia we all will end up with a nuclear catastrophe (what? I've said that again? ;)) True or not?

8) Russia don't have any reason to expand its territory to other countries (e.g. Georgia, Ukraine and EU) just because there are no resources in those countries and following to a simple logic, such an expansion is irrational for a resource-rich Russia where is np energetic crisis and which is happy to sell oil and gas to other countries but don't give it away for free to feed any occupied territories. True or not?

9) Russia has no other way to protect their citizens and it's military operation was the only possible response to stop slaughtering people and decrease the death toll as it possible. True or not?

You can quote each point above and explain me which exactly one is wrong and why.

Thank you.

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Bullshit what do you think Hezbollah is?
Where do them fuckers get money and weapons? Iran dude.
They even train in Iran. Hezbollah is nothing more than another arm of Iran.

Iran has every intention of bringing down Isreal and fomenting problems in the Middle East..

If there is a fire in a desert Iran's presence is there.

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cykoe6

This is true. There no doubt that Georgia attacked South Ossetian civilians with rockets and tanks and caused a large of amount of civilian causalities in an act of unnecessary aggression.


This is also true.


True. The Western media's bias against Russia in this conflict has been shameful.


True. Saakashvili is a liar. He started the war by slaughtering South Ossetians and now he runs to the US to try and get himself out of the mess he created.


True. The Western media's bias against Russia in this conflict has been shameful.


False. The US (along with Britain, France, Israel, Saudi Arabia and many others) are legitimately concerned about the potential consequences of Iran getting nuclear weapons. The US has no chance of seizing Iranian oil. In Iraq the US has spent billions of dollars, has received no oil and instead has paid $140 per barrel to import it. There have been no economic benefits of the invasion. The idea that the US went to war for oil is so absurd as to be laughable. Just look at the results. We have not siezed any Iraqi oil fields and we are paying 5 times as much to import oil. Furthermore no one is contemplating a ground invasion of Iran or an attempt to steal their oil fields. Obviously any military action against Iran will only increase the amount that the US must pay for oil when they import it.

That is why the US is trying to avoid a conflict. The facts are, however, that Israel has every reason to attack Iran to try and stop them going nuclear. Given the potential ramifications of such an attack then the US and the West has a lot of incentive to try and talk Iran down from the brink. Iran has stated many times that if they go nuclear they will attack Israel. Given this fact it can be assumed that Israel will attack first to try and stop that from happening. No matter what you think of Israel no one can expect them to just wait to be annihilated. Israel will attack first (as well they should, the Government of Israel has obligation to try and protect their people from extinction). Obviously the consequences will be horrible so that is the purpose to try and stop Iran from going nuclear while there is still time.



True. The US would never consider any military attack against Russia for obvious reasons. No one in the US has suggested otherwise. Even the hardest of the hawks has not said that their is any military option against Russia. An attack against nuclear armed Russia would be suicide. Who in the US is calling for war against Russia? All of the suggested moves have been diplomatic. Your repeated implications that the US is considering military actions against Russia are nonsense.



False. Russia has many strategic reason to be interested in Georgia and the Ukraine. The primary interest in Georgia is the pipeline that runs from Azerbaijan though Georgia and Turkey. This is the only route for Caspian oil which does not go though Russia or Iran. By controlling this route Russia would have complete control over the regions oil supplies.

The strategic interest in the Ukraine is even more important. Ukraine has said that they will not renew the Russian's lease to allow the Russian fleet to use the port at Sevastopol in 2017. This would mean that there was no adequate place for The Russan Black Sea fleet to dock which, would mean that they could no longer control the Black Sea. Worse than that for Russia, if it becomes a NATO port then NATO would control the Black Sea. This is of HUGE strategic import to Russia.

I am sure you are aware of these strategic issues and only downplay them because they are inconvenient to your points.



True. Russia had every right and a moral obligation to come to the aid of the South Ossetians (Russian citizens) who were being slaughtered by the Georgian military. The US and Israel should be ashamed to have been associated with a premeditated attack on civilians like that. The Western media's attempts to portray Russia as the aggressor and Georgia as the victim have been disgusting.

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just a punk

cykoe6, thanks a lot for your comments I'll explain you on those "false" ones tomorrow. Now I'm going to watch a move and go to sleep

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Phil

Oh, now you're an expert in Middle east conflict..

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Ecchi22

This thread is very long.

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juz

Well you are entitled to your opinion about Iran but I'd rather trust experts who actually have first knowledge on the subject versus some who... what are you international credentials again?

Why shouldn't I cite NATO/EU sources when you claim the that the EU doesn't want the Us missile shield? Sorry to burst your bubble but your claim was false and proven so

buzzy

What do i think it is? I think it is a Shi'a Islamic political and paramilitary organisation based in Lebanon.[3]At present, Hezbollah is a significant force in Lebanon's politics. The groups is now a major provider of social services, which operates schools, hospitals, and agricultural services for thousands of Lebanese Shias. (Wikipedia)

Pakistan is Sunni. Iran is Shia. This is basics.

You're right, i have no credentials and i am just telling you my opinion, i don't claim to be an expert either. Except i deal with facts, not false dumb rhetoric which leads to pointless wars.

The whole world, including me would be concerned about Iran obtaining nuclear weapons, but first of all there needs to be proof that they are. which there isn't.

The way the world works is innocent untill proven guilty, not guilty untill proven innocent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...082201447.html

just a punk

Ok, we are both can only guess about that but don't know it for sure. We have only theories so far. Let's wait and see what will happen - will the USA attack Iarn or not.

Sorry but you are wrong. What is a reason to occupy Georgia just to control the pipeline? As we say here: "игра не стоит свеч". That's is very simple because the control of one more pipeline (you know that Russia is already controlling a lot of them) is not profitable because Russia will need to feed Georgians, spend money on keeping that region under control etc. w/o any guaranty that the pipeline won't be moved to Armenia... Following to your logic, it's better to invade Azerbaijan because it's not just a total control on pipe which can be moved to Armenia in case if Russia invades Georgia, but also a total control on the RESOURCES which is much more profitable. But for some reason Russia has never attacked Azerbaijan. These are facts and a simple logic. Right?

So Russia come to Georgia to protect its citizens in South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Mission accomplished and Russian forces will be moved back within a couple of days. You'll see that yourself.

Once again: a shitty pipeline is not a reason to invade Georgia it's just a Saakashvili's BS he's trying to spread via western media. You already confirmed that Saakashvili is a liar and western media bias against Russia. If Russia wanted a REAL control of the pipeline and the resources it would invade Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan instead. Just take a look at the map to understand what I'm talking about:

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bibigon

Russian pipeline "Southern stream" kill "Nabucco" pipeline in Georgia. Georgian pipeline do not have gas for work. Economic sense is zero. Only losses.

There is no reason to occupy Georgia, and people of Russia of it doesn't want.
Russia with pleasure would leave from Northern Caucasus, but it will mean permanent wars on southern borders of Russia. And this southern border is a plain. Here is not present any natural boundaries - large rivers or marine passages and etc.

Northern caucasus is full of ethnic contradictions, people of northern caucasus will be at permanent war. Northern Caucasus for Russia is burden (economic, political and etc.)

just a punk

Exactly.

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just a punk

cykoe6 and buzzy: there is a very interesting theory of war in South Ossetia (who? when and why?): A Trap for Russia (translated)

I'd suggest you to read it if you really want to find the truth. I won't to say it will answer to all the questions, however there is some very interesting info to think about.

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DLEditor

What is syndrome?

just a punk

I think he is very sick

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slavdogg

fuck all this war shit,

Colin, i'm dying to know how you got a game with Kasparov ?

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Hey Slav,

The Kasparov Chess Foundation (charity) sold tickets on Ebay to play in a 25 game simul. Tickets went for $2000. The game was in New York. Playing Kasparov was a lifetime dream of mine so I jumped at the chance. We were allowed to invited 3 guests. My father and brother met me in New York to watch and hang out. It was held in the New York Athletic club.

The foundation's goal is to promote chess play amongst children. In particular Kasparov mentioned the promotion of chess amongst young girls and most of the foundations work seems to be concentrated on that.

I lasted 29 moves.

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ADL Colin

WWW III? Game canceled due to reign

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JM-cj

Eur/usd 1.4654.......
06.08.2008 1.5413

ADL Colin

WW III declared. Only on our stock portfolios and not on each other.

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miroz

So, time has come.
Now, after 3 months, the things are getting more clear what was going on.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/wo...ss&oref=slogin

The truth is CNN, FoxNews either as russian news are the same shitty propaganda
And that's sad that some ppl watch CNN and believe them because it's going from "democracy" country which protect other "democracy" counties.
Sad....

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directfiesta

Nooooooooo.... That cannot be true ..... !!!!!?????!!!!!!

Georgia is an ally of the USA, a war whore (a bit like a posting whore ) , so they must be the victim ...


Otherwise, the whole Freedom Stuff falls apart .....

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But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

just a punk

More here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7692751.stm

I was telling that from the beginning but almost everyone here told me that I'm brainwashed but dirty Putin's KGB propaganda.

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PornoStar69

you fucking degenrate CUNTS, AMERICA sorry cross that off i mean georgia attacked russia first - did you notice how US Gov started sticking there nose in the situation straight away.
Theres some real dumb asses on this forum, you guys need to wake up and stop beating your chests saying im american man, im american man.

War is worse than terrorism, although terrorists have invaded Iraq and afganistan right now, killing innocent people.

my message to you is take your head out of you're asses

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_Richard_

things are becoming clear in regards to who started what.. but one could say that the assimilation of someone elses country is 'asking for it'

just a punk

Who cares about stock market in Russia? I've already tried to explain, but people don't get it. Russian economics has very weak relation with a stock market which is very young and unstable.

BTW, the only person I know who cares is my wife Actually she don't really care if RTS is going down or up, she just needs it moving to make money on it

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qwe

it has nothing to do with the war... take a look at US markets right now

just a punk

Here is the official "fuck you" to all brainwashed morons who really though that Russia started a war against Georgia (note the thread's title).

source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8281990.stm

As you can see, all your "free" and "independent" media (CNN, FOX and other Saahashvili's/Stalin's cook sucking whores) were lying in your face. As I said a year ago, you will hear the truth (even from lying western media) one year later. So it happened exactly as it was predicted by me.

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just a punk

One more article to read: Report: Georgia Triggered War With Russia

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JM-cj

+1000000
Read IT!!!

Phil

So where did all village idiots go?

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just a punk

Watching some alternative "independent" news from a parallel universe, I believe.

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cykoe6

I thought it was generally accepted knowledge that Putin had baited Saakashvili into attacking to give Russia a casus belli to annex South Osettia...... so this is not really new information.

Personally I think it was a good move by Russia. They were able to annex South Osettia (which belongs in Russia anyway) while at the same time they were able to significantly disrupt NATO attempts to gain additional influence in more ex-USSR countries (particularity the Ukraine). Another master stroke by the master chess player Putin.

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brassmonkey

old newz

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just a punk

According to the EU commission it's very new

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Glenn Beck

Russia: A Nation Of Criminals

just a punk

Said by a guy with pornhub banner in his signature

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cykoe6

This thread really reminds of how handicapped the US is having a naive neophyte like Obama go up against a hardened master like Putin. It is not even a contest. It is like watching a prison thug beat up a 12 year old girl. You have cringe and look away it is so painful.

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just a punk

You'r giving too many complements to Putin IMHO. I have a great doubt that he is even 10% as genius as you think. Of course he is not an idiot like Bush Jr. or Saakashvili, but surely he is not Einstein of politics.

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cykoe6

Regardless of your opinion of Putin....... watching him take on a foolish simpleton like Obama is painful.

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_Richard_

i thought russians waited till the end of the chess game to make decisions on how the game was played