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just a punk · 08-14-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I am glad Russia is protecting their people from 110 pound female reporters.

Another funny video. Do you know what happening to a hand if it's being shoot with "SVD"? of course you don't because you was "wise" enough to post such a bullshit again. Have you been in army man? I'm so tired of all those setup videos...

P.S. I'd believe into that video if she showed her hand with sticking out bone instead of her palm.

_Richard_ · 08-14-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

so.... a person got grazed by a bullet in a war zone?

must be a pretty shitty sniper

fired 5 times too

just a punk · 08-14-2008, 01:04 PM

BTW, there was a video on Russian TV when our journalist (the RTR guy) has been shot by Georgian sniper to a leg. That was very real and graphic, because he is a journalist even if he injured, his operator works. They have filmed even the surgery when doctors sewed up his leg. This was a really good and true video, but the one posted by pocketkangaroo is just... LOL

TyroneGoldberg · 08-14-2008, 01:42 PM

Cyber;

Here's a pic for you,

just a punk · 08-14-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TyroneGoldberg

Cyber;

Here's a pic for you,

Thanks I like it

just a punk · 08-14-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I am glad Russia is protecting their people from 110 pound female reporters.

Your video is a fake. Now look at this:

"You can be killed if you are a journalist", right?

Phil · 08-14-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I am glad Russia is protecting their people from 110 pound female reporters.

wow.. what a sniper.
watch the fox video above idiot. Now that shit is real. From fox reporter himself.

DrunkShark · 08-14-2008, 06:03 PM

youtube com / watch ? v = H8XI2Chc6uQ

USA Freedom -your opinion?

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-14-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DrunkShark

USA Freedom -your opinion?

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spacedog · 08-14-2008, 07:20 PM

I didn't bother reading most of the replies, but I say fuck Georgia. They're in the wrong and Russia is in the right. I support Russia's reasons for defending it's interests.

Too many people being sympathetic to Georgia are buying into the bullshit spread by western propaganda and lies.

Phil · 08-14-2008, 07:42 PM

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fucking classic. Be it some Georgian guy they would go on forever about the "crimes"

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 03:12 AM

He (I mean that FOX guy) said that coward Georgian "army" is killing civilians. I won't be surprised if Saakashvili will try to accuse "Bloody Russia" all those dead Georgian civilians.

Cowards, fucking lairs and mad animals.

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DrunkShark

youtube com / watch ? v = H8XI2Chc6uQ

USA Freedom -your opinion?

Yes, that's a good prove for all the naive morons on GFY who really believe there is a freedom of speech in the USA. Your are in deep shit guys. Because your government is brainwashing you everyday. This is even worse than old good Soviet propaganda.

Congrats for living in USSR v2.0.

P.S. Happy I haven't moved to the USA in 2001. That was a really great decision

ADL Colin · 08-15-2008, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Yes, that's a good prove for all the naive morons on GFY who really believe there is a freedom of speech in the USA. Your are in deep shit guys. Because your government is brainwashing you everyday. This is even worse than old good Soviet propaganda.

You could probably better educate people if you didn't insult them. I'm pretty sure you would convince more people of your point of view if you weren't so bent on calling them "naive morons" and victims of "propaganda".

... but to each their own. ;-)

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

You could probably better educate people if you didn't insult them. I'm pretty sure you would convince more people of your point of view if you weren't so bent on calling them "naive morons" and victims of "propaganda".

... but to each their own. ;-)

Nope, I haven't insulted anyone. See if someone is not that naive and not a moron, he won't take take these words to himself, right? But if a person really naive and if he/she is really a moron so there is no insulting at all. It's just an ascertaining of a fact. So why some one have to feel insulted if someone said a truth about him?

Moron is a medical diagnosis but not an insulting. I haven't said people something like "eat shit motherfuckers" etc. I just told that those who believe there is a TRUE freedom of speech in the USA are very naive people and the medical diagnosis mentioned above is absolutely correct about them.

You know, when I was young and was living in the Soviet Union, I have believed almost in all the Soviet propaganda. So I was a naive moron. And I can confirm it w/o any problems. Now I just got smarter. That's it.

As about my point of view... I'm not an American and personally I don't have to be scared of loosing the freedom of speech. The the US citizens have. I mean those who really care, but not those who don't give a shit about freedom of speech.

ADL Colin · 08-15-2008, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Nope, I haven't insulted anyone. See if someone is not that naive and not a moron, he won't take take these words to himself, right? But if a person really naive and if he/she is really a moron so there is no insulting at all. It's just an ascertaining of a fact. So why some one have to feel insulted if someone said a truth about him?

Moron is a medical diagnosis but not an insulting. I haven't said people something like "eat shit motherfuckers" etc. I just told that those who believe there is a TRUE freedom of speech in the USA are very naive people and the medical diagnosis mentioned above is absolutely correct about them.

You know, when I was young and was living in the Soviet Union, I have believed almost in all the Soviet propaganda. So I was a naive moron. And I can confirm it w/o any problems. Now I just got smarter. That's it.

As about my point of view... I'm not an American and personally I don't have to be scared of loosing the freedom of speech. The the US citizens have. I mean those who really care, but not those who don't give a shit about freedom of speech.

I may or may not agree with you depending on what it is you believe but I am certainly interested. What is your argument that there is not "freedom of speech" in America? What is that you think I personally am not free to say in America and to whom? or what is it that you think a newspaper, radio program or television show is not free to state? Are you claiming that certain statements will get you arrested? Or ... ?

ADL Colin · 08-15-2008, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Nope, I haven't insulted anyone. See if someone is not that naive and not a moron, he won't take take these words to himself, right? But if a person really naive and if he/she is really a moron so there is no insulting at all. It's just an ascertaining of a fact. So why some one have to feel insulted if someone said a truth about him?

Moron is a medical diagnosis but not an insulting. I haven't said people something like "eat shit motherfuckers" etc. I just told that those who believe there is a TRUE freedom of speech in the USA are very naive people and the medical diagnosis mentioned above is absolutely correct about them.

You know, when I was young and was living in the Soviet Union, I have believed almost in all the Soviet propaganda. So I was a naive moron. And I can confirm it w/o any problems. Now I just got smarter. That's it.

As about my point of view... I'm not an American and personally I don't have to be scared of loosing the freedom of speech. The the US citizens have. I mean those who really care, but not those who don't give a shit about freedom of speech.

Is "moron" still a valid psychological diagnosis in Russia? It's not really used in the US anymore. What is the definition of "moron" according to Russian psychologists?

buzzy · 08-15-2008, 05:56 AM

I got to ask, why is the media misreporting the Georgia issue on such a large collective scale? There has to be a reason?

Also Cyber, do you know what ever happened to the investigation with Litvinenko and Andre Lugovoi?

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

Is "moron" still a valid psychological diagnosis in Russia? It's not really used in the US anymore. What is the definition of "moron" according to Russian psychologists?

English is not my mother language. So you can replace it with any other medical word which describes a weak-headed person that don't want to listen, think, learn, or has a mental retardation with a very low intelligence.

For example, I haven't called you a moron (even if I don't agree with you). Because I see you an intelligent person. Actually there is a lot of intelligent people on GFY. But a few guys are really retarded. So my comment was directed to them only.

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

Also Cyber, do you know what ever happened to the investigation with Litvinenko and Andre Lugovoi?

Nope, the investigators are in the UK. As far as I know, the blame Lugovoi, on the other hand, Lugovoi blames MI6. But everyone knows that Beresovsky is behind of Litvinenko's death. Too much "friends" of Beresovsky have died under very strange conditions...

buzzy · 08-15-2008, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Nope, the investigators are in the UK. As far as I know, the blame Lugovoi, on the other hand, Lugovoi blames MI6. But everyone knows that Beresovsky is behind of Litvinenko's death. Too much "friends" of Beresovsky have died under very strange conditions...

Yes i also thought it was a strong possibility Berezovsky was involved, he is a shady charachter. And what do you think about my other point on the media issue? Imo there is alot more than what meets the eye with the Media these days.

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

Yes i also thought it was a strong possibility Berezovsky was involved, he is a shady charachter. And what do you think about my other point on the media issue? Imo there is alot more than what meets the eye with the Media these days.

Actually I can't answer to your question. It looks like all the western media is controlled by some group of people. But I can't believe that's true because it's sounds even worse than Roswell UFO conspiracy theory. So I really can't answer to it. I can just see the facts (the western media hasn't said a word during almost 24 hours while South Ossetians and Russian peace keepers were bombed with Georgian "Grads"), but I don't know the reasons. I have no idea how it was possible and why they (the western media agencies) did that. No single thought, sorry.

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

Yes i also thought it was a strong possibility Berezovsky was involved, he is a shady charachter.

He had a long train of deaths here in Russia. Now these strange death cases moved to the UK. I don't think it's just a singular coincidence.

ADL Colin · 08-15-2008, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

So I really can't answer to it. I can just see the facts (the western media hasn't said a word during almost 24 hours while South Ossetians and Russian peace keepers were bombed with Georgian "Grads"), but I don't know the reasons.

There are conflicts all over the globe every day with little or no reporting. There is daily carnage in Africa for example. Face it, "South Ossetia vs Georgia" is hardly newsworthy. Throw in the Russians and now you have something of interest. Same thing with any number of conflicts around the globe. How much do you read about Sri Lanka vs. Tamil Eelan or Algeria vs the Armed Islamic Group. We hardly have any reporting of the situation in Darfur despite hundreds of thousands dead. Really, the reporting is limited. Why? Because it has only limited influence on our politics. There have been hundreds of such conflicts that garner close to zero interest until a world power gets involved. Then interest increases and news coverage along with it.

As far as the particular situation, there were hardly any western reporters in georgia or even interested in georgia two weeks ago. Why? Because there weren't hundreds of Russian tanks poring across the border. At first the only information that is available is AP or reuters news wires, often just press releases by the parties involved. Everyone echoes everyone else because there is no additional information. Soon after there are phone interviews and then you begin to hear different points of view. Eventually western reporters arrive on the scene, people read differing opinions, Op/ED pieces appear in the WSJ, NYT and so on. Western media is vast. There are 1500 daily newspapers in the United States alone, hundreds of weekly and monthly news periodicals, television news, radio news blogs and so on. You can read pieces in say Bloomberg and the LA Times today that present a different view than was available just a few days ago.

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 07:18 AM

And a few more words on all that anti-Russian hysteria in western media. Let's look at facts. Russia has no reason to expand its territory and invade any more countries including EU, because these countries have nothing useful, i.e there are no resources. We have a lot of oil, natural gas etc. On the other hand, there is a energetic crisis in the USA and EU. So they are looking for ways to to resolve their problems. The only "possible" way is invading of Russia. So it looks like a big preparation for WWIII. A first step in that is an informational war and an attempt to deprive Russia of its possible allies.

Howover some ppl in the US administration don't understand a simple thing: Russia does not need any allies to destroy not just the USA and EU but a whole planet. I.e. there is no chance to win such a war. Furthermore, if some areas will remain not completely destroyed with a nuclear strike, they will be occupied within a few days by China. So there is at least one country has a possibility to gain over the flattered world and it's China. Not Russia, not the USA and of course not the EU (its military bases will be the first targets for a Russian nuclear strike). Perhaps also Africa have a chance to not be destroyed, but... this won't change anything.

That's my personal analysis of the current situation. Be ready for a global nuclear war and don't ask who will initiate it - just look at the news to understand where all the anti-Russian propaganda is coming from. Some guys have decided to play a big chess party, but I doubt it's a great idea to play the chess against Russians. IMHO.

ADL Colin · 08-15-2008, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

And a few more words on all that anti-Russian hysteria in western media. Let's look at facts. Russia has no reason to expand its territory and invade any more countries including EU, because these countries have nothing useful, i.e there are no resources. We have a lot of oil, natural gas etc. On the other hand, there is a energetic crisis in the USA and EU. So they are looking for ways to to resolve their problems. The only "possible" way is invading of Russia. So it looks like a big preparation for WWIII. A first step in that is an informational war and an attempt to deprive Russia of its possible allies.

Howover some ppl in the US administration don't understand a simple thing: Russia does not need any allies to destroy not just the USA and EU but a whole planet. I.e. there is no chance to win such a war. Furthermore, if some areas will remain not completely destroyed with a nuclear strike, they will be occupied within a few days by China. So there is at least one country has a possibility to gain over the flattered world and it's China. Not Russia, not the USA and of course not the EU (its military bases will be the first targets for a Russian nuclear strike). Perhaps also Africa have a chance to not be destroyed, but... this won't change anything.

That's my personal analysis of the current situation. Be ready for a global nuclear war and don't ask who will initiate it - just look at the news to understand where all the anti-Russian propaganda is coming from. Some guys have decided to play a big chess party, but I doubt it's a great idea to play the chess against Russians. IMHO.

I think you are getting way too worked up what is nothing other than a little border situation. like countless other such situations this one will come and pass. Seriously, you think the west is involved in an information war to deprive Russia of its allies to be followed by World War III? You think the heads of state and all the top people in the Departments of Defense of all these countries have just forgotten that Russia has thousands of nuclear warheads and ICBMs? Are you serious? Maybe you only remember and everyone else has forgotten. Have you applied for a defense job to save the free world from its own insanity? ;-)

"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes." - Ronald Reagan, 1984

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

I think you are getting way too worked up what is nothing other than a little border situation.

Nope, it's not a little border situation. It's just a border situation for South Ossetia, Georgia and Russia, but not for the USA. The USA has no borders, peace keepers and civilian US citizens in that region. However the USA is in the energetic crisis right now (not Russia - we have anough of resources and feel great with it). So try to look a bit farther.

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

Seriously, you think the west is involved in an information war to deprive Russia of its allies to be followed by World War III?

First of all, I don;t think that the west is involved into the information war against Russia, I see it. By the way, you can see it as well - just turn your TV on. As about WWIII. What's the reason of all that the information propaganda?

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

You think the heads of state and all the top people in the Departments of Defense of all these countries have just forgotten that Russia has thousands of nuclear warheads and ICBMs?

Seems so. What if I ask you a similar question? "You think the president of Georgia and his top people in the USA have just forgotten that Russia is able to kick Georgian ass within a few days by means of the Russian Caucasus Military Group only?" But after meeting with Condoleezza, Saakashvili has really forgotten that.

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Are you serious?

Absolutely.

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Maybe you only remember and everyone else has forgotten. Have you applied for a defense job to save the free world from its own insanity? ;-)

No, I haven't. I'm not the one who can change the situation. But on Russian boards I've told many times that Putin's external politics is absolutely idiotic. He has removed our base from Cuba, he has allowed the US forces to use our bases in Central Asia and he did many other SERIOUS strategic mistakes I even don't want to speak about here.

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes." - Ronald Reagan, 1984

Do you know that his stupid joke has almost started a nuclear war?

Newworld · 08-15-2008, 07:42 AM

The WORLD is crazy.

ADL Colin · 08-15-2008, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Nope, it's not a little border situation. It's just a border situation for South Ossetia, Georgia and Russia, but not for the USA. The USA has no borders, peace keepers and civilian US citizens in that region. However the USA is in the energetic crisis right now (not Russia - we have anough of resources and feel great with it). So try to look a bit farther.
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Countries comment on each other's actions all the time. I don't see any reason why this is materially different than any of hundreds of other such situations we have witnessed. Rather than respond to every time in your post I'll just bump this thread in a month and we can re-discuss. I am betting the entire situation will have dissolved to nothing and this won't even be news here in the US in a month. Want the other side of that bet?

Oh, when do you predict WW III will start?

ADL Colin · 08-15-2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Do you know that his stupid joke has almost started a nuclear war?

Do you know that it didn't? My point exactly. 99% of such world events seem so serious at the time especially to those who are involved in the situation enough that it is considered local politics. I'll take the bet. No WWW III.

WWW III always seems to be starting for someone. On this board alone 9/11, Lebanon/Israel and US/Iraq were all predicted by some to be leading to WW III. And now it is Russia/georgia? Or is it Iran/Israel? Or maybe US/Iran. The reality is different.

the top news story on CNN.com today is "New Year's baby's death shatters family". By Monday we'll be back to Paris Hilton covers.

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

Oh, when do you predict WW III will start?

I don't work in Pentagon. So I can't answer to your question.

bibigon · 08-15-2008, 07:52 AM

youtube.com/watch?v=WtdVS8646GI

censorship on US TV again

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bibigon

youtube.com/watch?v=WtdVS8646GI

censorship on US TV again

It's better to post the videos like this:

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 07:59 AM

Seems they just lost a line LOL

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 08:01 AM

ADL Colin, can't you see these "lost a line incidents" are pieces of some system? Who needs it? Why? I have expressed my point of view very clearly. Do you have your own vision? Share it with us then.

ADL Colin · 08-15-2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Absolutely.

Let me see if I understand. So you think the US plan is to use propaganda to remove Russia's allies (exactly whom i am not sure) and then to start World War III by attacking Russia (with what goal in mind?). So the US will attempt to bomb Russian cities and land an army somewhere in say Europe or Asia with the goal of driving on - eventually - Moscow?
Assuming the US could even do this and was approaching Moscow on some nice spring day the US would assume also that the russians would not threaten it with nuclear weapons? this is what you mean? And even if it were to achieve success and defeat the Russians then what?

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

Let me see if I understand. So you think the US plan is to use propaganda to remove Russia's allies (exactly whom i am not sure) and then to start World War III by attacking Russia (with what goal in mind?).

Yes I think so. The same propaganda in western TV was just before the US attack on Belgrade.

just a punk · 08-15-2008, 08:38 AM

Just watching a joint press-conference of Saakashvili and Condoleezza. And what you think? Saakashvili has said that Russia has bombed and destroyed Tshinvali(Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?????????!!!!!!!!!!!) Can you believe in that? And you know that spoiled whore Condoleezza has agreed with him. If you don't understand the meaning of it, your are totally blind.

juz · 08-15-2008, 08:42 AM

BAM! The truth comes out, here is what this all about

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26203430/

WARSAW, Poland - An agreement that will allow the United States to install a missile defense battery in Poland exposes the ex-communist nation to an attack, a Russian general said Friday.

Poland and the United States struck a deal on Thursday to deepen military ties and place a missile interceptor base in Poland.

Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, deputy chief of the Russian general staff told reporters Friday that the agreement exacerbates U.S.-Russian relations that are already tense because of fighting between Georgian and Russian forces. He said the deal ?cannot go unpunished.?

And in the strongest threat Russia has issued in reaction to plans to put elements of a missile defense system in former Soviet satellite nations, the Interfax news agency quoted Nogovitsyn as saying Poland was risking attack.

?Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike ? 100 percent,? Interfax quoted Nogovitsyn as saying.

Moscow had previously threatened to redirect missiles toward Poland if the country agreed to host elements of the missile shield.

Washington says the planned system, which is not yet operational, is needed to protect the U.S. and Europe from possible attacks by missile-armed ?rogue states? like Iran. The Kremlin, however, feels it is aimed at weakening Russia?s missile force.

buzzy · 08-15-2008, 08:50 AM

Propaganda machine is in action on TV here too lol.

I'm just amazed how they get away with it.

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Washington says the planned system, which is not yet operational, is needed to protect the U.S. and Europe from possible attacks by missile-armed “rogue states” like Iran. The Kremlin, however, feels it is aimed at weakening Russia’s missile force.

Haha. Rouge states like Iran, lmao. Irans best missle can barley reach eastern Turkey. It is just SO ovbious this missle defence system is aimed at Russia.

buzzy · 08-15-2008, 08:57 AM

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?i...onid=351020602

'Timing of missile deal betrays US intent'

Russia says the timing of a controversial US-Poland deal to base a missile defense shield in Europe betrays Washington's true intention.

Russia's NATO envoy told Reuters on Friday that The US has shown that Russia is the true target of its planned missile defense shield by signing a deal with Poland during an international crisis over Georgia.

juz · 08-15-2008, 09:01 AM

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Haha. Rouge states like Iran, lmao. Irans best missle can barley reach eastern Turkey. It is just SO ovbious this missle defence system is aimed at Russia.

you are off by a few miles

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/shahab-6.htm

The Shahab-6 is expected to have a range of 5,470-5,500 and 5,632-6,200 kilometers with a 1,000-750-500 kilogram warhead. This range capability will depend on the number of stages used in the launch vehicle and their performance. December 1996 news reports claimed that Iran is developing a 3,500-mile (5,632 kilometers) range missile called Shahab-6 that would be capable of reaching Europe. The technology for this system was cited as coming from Russia and North Korea. Reportedly the missile would become operational by the year 2,000, though others reports claim that Iran intends to complete the development of this system within five to ten years. Presumably this missile will turn out to be a totally redesigned Taep'o-dong-2/NKSL-X-2 Iranian first stage derivation with new redesigned shorter larger diameter second and third stages

Add to it Irans quest for a space program/intercontinental ballistic capabilities

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/iris.htm

Pleasurepays · 08-15-2008, 09:01 AM

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Yes I think so. The same propaganda in western TV was just before the US attack on Belgrade.

Propaganda on western TV? how does that differ from the propaganda on Russian TV biased towards the opposite view? i was in Germany, Russia, England and the US during this time and noticed the western world seemed to focus a lot on the genocidal aspect of things and the killing of Albanians and running them off... and Russia focused exclusively on KLA being terrorists. In Russia, there was only one side of the story being shown...ever. From start to finish.

Was the "western media" making up all the towns being burned and their inhabitants being forced to leave with boys/men being separated and shot?

how far did that "media conspiracy" go? why was all of western Europe and the US showing the same thing with Russia not showing it at all? must have been a huge conspiracy! one big enough to get the UN involved and NATO countries to agree to stop it.

At the end of the day, you are just as biased as those you claim are biased. Thats what makes you look so ignorant. You can only address serious, valid points with more questions because you know the answers or know you can't answer.

Russia is Russia.

Russians razed Grozny to the ground in the first war. Hundreds of millions of dollars was set aside to rebuild... with a few 10's of millions actually making it without being stolen.

I know many many Russians who fought in Chechnya on contracts... all with the same stories of sweeping apartment buildings by going door to door and throwing grenades through the door... waiting for them to go off and then if they see a body inside, they put an AK-47 next to it and shot it on video. I could go on and on forever about the horrible shit Russia has done (just as the US or any other country does in war).

BTW... how did that second Chechnyan war start? Were you in Russia? I was.

How did Putin get elected after Yeltsin resigned? He had only been Prime Minister for like 6 months and Russians for the most part, had no idea who he was.

What event catapulted him to being elected President of Russia???

Were you watching Russian news everyday during this time? I was. Were you watching all the obviously faked propaganda of Chechen rebels attacking Russian border posts, raids into Dagestan and elsewhere? I was.

Were you watching apartment buildings in Moscow full of innocent, sleeping people being blown up, to be immediately blamed on Chechen terrorists who NEVER claimed responsibility for it? I did.

Do you know anyone involved directly in the prosecution of the apartment bombings cases? I do.

We you watching the Russian government scare the shit out of people nationwide with "Operation Whirlwind" right after? I was.

Do you know people who went to Chechnya to fight for 500.00-600.00-700.00 a month? I know many. Do you remember the stories about Grozny and elsewhere in the first war where the Chechens had schoolgirls trained as snipers? Ever sit around a camp fire doing shots of vodka and watch someone break down and cry as they talk about kidnapping, raping and killing more girls than they could count, just because they might be snipers? I have.

I could go on for ages about shit you seem to know nothing about.

Russia's hands are no more clean than anyone else's. Russia's media is more biased by far than ANY western media.

At the end of the day, a world power and a thorn in their side squared off... georgia miscalculated and lost. Russia has been waiting for this for a long time and if you are so dumb you think this wasn't planned months in advance and with the full knowledge of the US and other western governments, you are naive beyond help.

Trying to characterize this situation as Russia being the innocent party just trying to do good and help is absurd and retarded. They want to protect pipelines... they want to flex a little muscle to the world in a way that won't backfire, they want to show some determination and resolve in protecting its own interests.. they want to build public support for the government.

It's no coincidence that a Russian general is on the news today warning Poland that they risk attack if they allow NATO to put a missile defense system on their soil.

Russia has been in a weak position for a decade and a 1/2 with nothing but poorly trained military and garbage equipment and no money to fix anything. A few years of astronomical oil prices and they are in a position to make up for lost time and reestablish themselves as a force to be reckoned with in the world and they are doing it. Period. End of story. it's no more complicated than that. Thinking they give a fuck about how many peace keepers are/were at risk is incredibly naive.

buzzy · 08-15-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by juz

you are off by a few miles

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/shahab-6.htm

The Shahab-6 is expected to have a range of 5,470-5,500 and 5,632-6,200 kilometers with a 1,000-750-500 kilogram warhead. This range capability will depend on the number of stages used in the launch vehicle and their performance. December 1996 news reports claimed that Iran is developing a 3,500-mile (5,632 kilometers) range missile called Shahab-6 that would be capable of reaching Europe. The technology for this system was cited as coming from Russia and North Korea. Reportedly the missile would become operational by the year 2,000, though others reports claim that Iran intends to complete the development of this system within five to ten years. Presumably this missile will turn out to be a totally redesigned Taep'o-dong-2/NKSL-X-2 Iranian first stage derivation with new redesigned shorter larger diameter second and third stages

Add to it Irans quest for a space program/intercontinental ballistic capabilities

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/iris.htm

I'm pretty sure they don't have the Shahab 6 yet, i was talking about their current invetory. Anyway, if Europe wants a missle defence system, they will put it there, no need for the US to get involved.

_Richard_ · 08-15-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Propaganda on western TV? how does that differ from the propaganda on Russian TV biased towards the opposite view? i was in Germany, Russia, England and the US during this time and noticed the western world seemed to focus a lot on the genocidal aspect of things and the killing of Albanians and running them off... and Russia focused exclusively on KLA being terrorists. In Russia, there was only one side of the story being shown...ever. From start to finish.

Was the "western media" making up all the towns being burned and their inhabitants being forced to leave with boys/men being separated and shot?

how far did that "media conspiracy" go? why was all of western Europe and the US showing the same thing with Russia not showing it at all? must have been a huge conspiracy! one big enough to get the UN involved and NATO countries to agree to stop it.

At the end of the day, you are just as biased as those you claim are biased. Thats what makes you look so ignorant. You can only address serious, valid points with more questions because you know the answers or know you can't answer.

Russia is Russia.

Russians razed Grozny to the ground in the first war. Hundreds of millions of dollars was set aside to rebuild... with a few 10's of millions actually making it without being stolen.

I know many many Russians who fought in Chechnya on contracts... all with the same stories of sweeping apartment buildings by going door to door and throwing grenades through the door... waiting for them to go off and then if they see a body inside, they put an AK-47 next to it and shot it on video. I could go on and on forever about the horrible shit Russia has done (just as the US or any other country does in war).

BTW... how did that second Chechnyan war start? Were you in Russia? I was.

How did Putin get elected after Yeltsin resigned? He had only been Prime Minister for like 6 months and Russians for the most part, had no idea who he was.

What event catapulted him to being elected President of Russia???

Were you watching Russian news everyday during this time? I was. Were you watching all the obviously faked propaganda of Chechen rebels attacking Russian border posts, raids into Dagestan and elsewhere? I was.

Were you watching apartment buildings in Moscow full of innocent, sleeping people being blown up, to be immediately blamed on Chechen terrorists who NEVER claimed responsibility for it? I did.

Do you know anyone involved directly in the prosecution of the apartment bombings cases? I do.

We you watching the Russian government scare the shit out of people nationwide with "Operation Whirlwind" right after? I was.

Do you know people who went to Chechnya to fight for 500.00-600.00-700.00 a month? I know many. Do you remember the stories about Grozny and elsewhere in the first war where the Chechens had schoolgirls trained as snipers? Ever sit around a camp fire doing shots of vodka and watch someone break down and cry as they talk about kidnapping, raping and killing more girls than they could count, just because they might be snipers? I have.

I could go on for ages about shit you seem to know nothing about.

Russia's hands are no more clean than anyone else's. Russia's media is more biased by far than ANY western media.

At the end of the day, a world power and a thorn in their side squared off... georgia miscalculated and lost. Russia has been waiting for this for a long time and if you are so dumb you think this wasn't planned months in advance and with the full knowledge of the US and other western governments, you are naive beyond help.

Trying to characterize this situation as Russia being the innocent party just trying to do good and help is absurd and retarded. They want to protect pipelines... they want to flex a little muscle to the world in a way that won't backfire, they want to show some determination and resolve in protecting its own interests.. they want to build public support for the government.

It's no coincidence that a Russian general is on the news today warning Poland that they risk attack if they allow NATO to put a missile defense system on their soil.

Russia has been in a weak position for a decade and a 1/2 with nothing but poorly trained military and garbage equipment and no money to fix anything. A few years of astronomical oil prices and they are in a position to make up for lost time and reestablish themselves as a force to be reckoned with in the world and they are doing it. Period. End of story. it's no more complicated than that. Thinking they give a fuck about how many peace keepers are/were at risk is incredibly naive.

just making sure he reads this.

ADL Colin · 08-15-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Yes I think so. The same propaganda in western TV was just before the US attack on Belgrade.

And you think American's goal is the invasion and occupation of Russia? for Abrams tanks to surround the Kremlin???

08-15-2008, 10:12 AM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ
have a look people

very informed video. A guy from fox look a very stupid and surprise.

juz · 08-15-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

I'm pretty sure they don't have the Shahab 6 yet, i was talking about their current invetory. Anyway, if Europe wants a missle defence system, they will put it there, no need for the US to get involved.

so you're of the mindset that is it better to wait until your enemy has a capability before you do anything to counter it?

Seems the leaders of the EU disagree with you about putting in place a missile defense shield themselves, they seem to want the US do it

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/wo...pe/04nato.html

cykoe6 · 08-15-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Howover some ppl in the US administration don't understand a simple thing: Russia does not need any allies to destroy not just the USA and EU but a whole planet. I.e. there is no chance to win such a war. Furthermore, if some areas will remain not completely destroyed with a nuclear strike, they will be occupied within a few days by China. So there is at least one country has a possibility to gain over the flattered world and it's China. Not Russia, not the USA and of course not the EU (its military bases will be the first targets for a Russian nuclear strike). Perhaps also Africa have a chance to not be destroyed, but... this won't change anything.

I cannot decide if it is amusing or sad to watch you thrashing around calling everyone who does not automatically believe the latest propaganda directive from the Kremlin a "brainwashed moron." But what is even more absurd is your constant threats of nuclear annihilation to whomever will not fall in line and allow Russia to operate however it wants. I am comforted by the fact that Russia is governed by rational people like Putin and not lunatics like yourself. Then I would be worried.

Obviously the Western media is biased against Russia.... that hardly means there is no freedom of speech in the US. It only means that the media is biased. You can see people exercising their right to free speech on thousands of blogs. The media in the US may be corporate controlled (just like it is state controlled in Russia) but there are still thousands of sources of information in the US. If you want to see state censorship try China. To say there is no freedom of speech in the US is patently ridiculous. The board you are on right now proves otherwise. It is you who has been brainwashed.

08-14-2008, 01:04 PM	#653
just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,381	BTW, there was a video on Russian TV when our journalist (the RTR guy) has been shot by Georgian sniper to a leg. That was very real and graphic, because he is a journalist even if he injured, his operator works. They have filmed even the surgery when doctors sewed up his leg. This was a really good and true video, but the one posted by pocketkangaroo is just... LOL __________________ Obey the Cowgod

08-15-2008, 03:12 AM	#662
just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,381	He (I mean that FOX guy) said that coward Georgian "army" is killing civilians. I won't be surprised if Saakashvili will try to accuse "Bloody Russia" all those dead Georgian civilians. Cowards, fucking lairs and mad animals. __________________ Obey the Cowgod

08-15-2008, 07:18 AM	#675
just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,381	And a few more words on all that anti-Russian hysteria in western media. Let's look at facts. Russia has no reason to expand its territory and invade any more countries including EU, because these countries have nothing useful, i.e there are no resources. We have a lot of oil, natural gas etc. On the other hand, there is a energetic crisis in the USA and EU. So they are looking for ways to to resolve their problems. The only "possible" way is invading of Russia. So it looks like a big preparation for WWIII. A first step in that is an informational war and an attempt to deprive Russia of its possible allies. Howover some ppl in the US administration don't understand a simple thing: Russia does not need any allies to destroy not just the USA and EU but a whole planet. I.e. there is no chance to win such a war. Furthermore, if some areas will remain not completely destroyed with a nuclear strike, they will be occupied within a few days by China. So there is at least one country has a possibility to gain over the flattered world and it's China. Not Russia, not the USA and of course not the EU (its military bases will be the first targets for a Russian nuclear strike). Perhaps also Africa have a chance to not be destroyed, but... this won't change anything. That's my personal analysis of the current situation. Be ready for a global nuclear war and don't ask who will initiate it - just look at the news to understand where all the anti-Russian propaganda is coming from. Some guys have decided to play a big chess party, but I doubt it's a great idea to play the chess against Russians. IMHO. __________________ Obey the Cowgod Last edited by just a punk; 08-15-2008 at 07:20 AM..

08-15-2008, 07:59 AM	#685
just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,381	Seems they just lost a line LOL __________________ Obey the Cowgod

08-15-2008, 08:01 AM	#686
just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,381	ADL Colin, can't you see these "lost a line incidents" are pieces of some system? Who needs it? Why? I have expressed my point of view very clearly. Do you have your own vision? Share it with us then. __________________ Obey the Cowgod

08-14-2008, 01:42 PM	#654
TyroneGoldberg Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,081	Cyber; Here's a pic for you,

08-14-2008, 06:03 PM	#658
DrunkShark Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5	youtube com / watch ? v = H8XI2Chc6uQ USA Freedom -your opinion?

08-14-2008, 07:20 PM	#660
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	I didn't bother reading most of the replies, but I say fuck Georgia. They're in the wrong and Russia is in the right. I support Russia's reasons for defending it's interests. Too many people being sympathetic to Georgia are buying into the bullshit spread by western propaganda and lies.

08-15-2008, 05:56 AM	#668
buzzy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,606	I got to ask, why is the media misreporting the Georgia issue on such a large collective scale? There has to be a reason? Also Cyber, do you know what ever happened to the investigation with Litvinenko and Andre Lugovoi?

08-15-2008, 07:42 AM	#679
Newworld Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 42	The WORLD is crazy.

08-15-2008, 07:52 AM	#683
bibigon Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Russia Posts: 16	youtube.com/watch?v=WtdVS8646GI censorship on US TV again

08-15-2008, 08:38 AM	#689
just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,381	Just watching a joint press-conference of Saakashvili and Condoleezza. And what you think? Saakashvili has said that Russia has bombed and destroyed Tshinvali(Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?????????!!!!!!!!!!!) Can you believe in that? And you know that spoiled whore Condoleezza has agreed with him. If you don't understand the meaning of it, your are totally blind. __________________ Obey the Cowgod

08-15-2008, 08:42 AM	#690
juz Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 307	BAM! The truth comes out, here is what this all about http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26203430/ WARSAW, Poland - An agreement that will allow the United States to install a missile defense battery in Poland exposes the ex-communist nation to an attack, a Russian general said Friday. Poland and the United States struck a deal on Thursday to deepen military ties and place a missile interceptor base in Poland. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, deputy chief of the Russian general staff told reporters Friday that the agreement exacerbates U.S.-Russian relations that are already tense because of fighting between Georgian and Russian forces. He said the deal ?cannot go unpunished.? And in the strongest threat Russia has issued in reaction to plans to put elements of a missile defense system in former Soviet satellite nations, the Interfax news agency quoted Nogovitsyn as saying Poland was risking attack. ?Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike ? 100 percent,? Interfax quoted Nogovitsyn as saying. Moscow had previously threatened to redirect missiles toward Poland if the country agreed to host elements of the missile shield. Washington says the planned system, which is not yet operational, is needed to protect the U.S. and Europe from possible attacks by missile-armed ?rogue states? like Iran. The Kremlin, however, feels it is aimed at weakening Russia?s missile force.

08-15-2008, 08:57 AM	#692
buzzy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,606	http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?i...onid=351020602 'Timing of missile deal betrays US intent' Russia says the timing of a controversial US-Poland deal to base a missile defense shield in Europe betrays Washington's true intention. Russia's NATO envoy told Reuters on Friday that The US has shown that Russia is the true target of its planned missile defense shield by signing a deal with Poland during an international crisis over Georgia.

08-15-2008, 10:12 AM	#698
Alex Xe Guest Posts: n/a	https://youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ have a look people very informed video. A guy from fox look a very stupid and surprise.