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Old 11-11-2002, 01:11 PM   #51
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Yeah okay. You wont live to 50. I really hope you dont, just so my point will be proven.

How old are you first.

Before I argue on this board as it seems most of you fuckers arent even old enough to drink and want to argue about the laws you dont even vote on. Only here.

When was the last time you did ANYTHING to help another person battle addiction?

I have been through AA and helped others as well as many in my family battle alcoholism, talked to others and helped many of my friends even put down syringes in serious and life threatening situations. Drug rehab and withdrawal are not easy, and I bet you know nothing of it.

You sit in your bedroom yapping your fucking mouth about the War on Drugs when you arent shit and havent been anywhere when it comes to real people with addicitons and/or problems, yet your dad was probably fucking buzzed off of Budweiser when you were conceived. Maybe thats why you think the way you do?

Take your fucking double standard and shove it up your ass boy.

Im the most aggressive fucking stoner yuoull ever meet, well maybe. Im from new Orleans where you can be drinking on Bourbon at 15, I know I was doing it. I see people wreck their whole lives for a drink, I know again because I used to do it, hence my trip to AA.

Now I clean my life up and choose to smoke a lil herbs and that makes me a bad guy now? Fuck off dude, you dont know shit. Get some scars before you talking about living pussy.

So how old are you?

hahaha
I'm of age to vote so I guess I have the right to speak.?

Fletch I think pot is addictive...sorry but it's reality.
Please don't sit there and tell me you're not adicted to it.
I know whats it's like to help ppl with addictions and yes it's very hard no doubt.

Good for you that you got yourself off the alcohol but now it seems like you're addicted to weed.
Hell I don't know you one bit but I do know you from what you post and thats just how it seems to me. I apologize if I'm wrong.
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Old 11-11-2002, 01:12 PM   #52
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I'm of age to vote so I guess I have the right to speak.?

Fletch I think pot is addictive...sorry but it's reality.
Please don't sit there and tell me you're not adicted to it.
I know whats it's like to help ppl with addictions and yes it's very hard no doubt.

Good for you that you got yourself off the alcohol but now it seems like you're addicted to weed.
Hell I don't know you one bit but I do know you from what you post and thats just how it seems to me. I apologize if I'm wrong.
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Don't make blanket assumptions about people until you know them. I could come in and say I hate drunks and start mouthing off and posting study after study that says that stoners are more peaceful and less dangerous than those who drink. Would it make you put your beer down? Didn't think so!
I think it's blank assumption btw

You're right "stoners" are less violent then ppl who drink (in my opinion).
But that doesn't make it any less addictive.
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Yeah lets break the stereotype also.

I dont eat white sugar, meaning refined sugar.

I dont eat sweets, I dont eat ice cream, cake, candy bars, potato chips, or drink soda. (diet vanilla soda a little now hehehe)

I dont sit and watch TV all day.

I eat tons of fruits and vegetables and love meat, and I most likely eat way more healthy than most of you. Fast food? Fuck no.

When I started smoking herbs I quit smoking cigaretts, and I quit drinking beer and eating shitty fast food and taco bell at 3 am after binge drinking.

I lost over 35 pounds and feel way more in shape. (around 150 now)

I no longer sleep in until 3 pm, I get up every morning before 9 am and do so with a clear mind and no longer have my face in the toilet. I speak only from experience.

No matter what you say, some of us live healthy, happy lives and just because we want to smoke a little herbs who the hell are you to say we cannot?

Its only a matter of time, just like any war.

Again, in Nevada it was 39%, only a fool thinks it will <i> never</i> pass.

Its all about who is using it, drug addicts will be drug addicts no matter what because the <i>real</i> problem is the Addictive Personality, not the drug itself.

You guys have never stood in front of the room and admitted your addiction have you?

Its not easy, but once you do that - then come preach to me.

Who else here has even been to AA?

None?
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You seem confused by a picture of a female smoking what seems to be a marijuana joint, yet have I not seen you post pics of yourself getting dicked? Whats with the closet mentality?
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No offense, but I find it a bit silly that you would scoff at someone posting a pic like that when you have posted some of yourself doing rather questionable things.
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I'm of age to vote so I guess I have the right to speak.?

Fletch I think pot is addictive...sorry but it's reality.
Please don't sit there and tell me you're not adicted to it.
I know whats it's like to help ppl with addictions and yes it's very hard no doubt.
Did I say it was not addicitive?

Nope.

Sure I am addicted to pot. Im also addicted to money and rock and roll.

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Yeah lets break the stereotype also.

I dont eat white sugar, meaning refined sugar.

I dont eat sweets, I dont eat ice cream, cake, candy bars, potato chips, or drink soda. (diet vanilla soda a little now hehehe)

I dont sit and watch TV all day.

I eat tons of fruits and vegetables and love meat, and I most likely eat way more healthy than most of you. Fast food? Fuck no.

When I started smoking herbs I quit smoking cigaretts, and I quit drinking beer and eating shitty fast food and taco bell at 3 am after binge drinking.

I lost over 35 pounds and feel way more in shape. (around 150 now)

I no longer sleep in until 3 pm, I get up every morning before 9 am and do so with a clear mind and no longer have my face in the toilet. I speak only from experience.

No matter what you say, some of us live healthy, happy lives and just because we want to smoke a little herbs who the hell are you to say we cannot?

Its only a matter of time, just like any war.

Again, in Nevada it was 39%, only a fool thinks it will <i> never</i> pass.

Its all about who is using it, drug addicts will be drug addicts no matter what because the <i>real</i> problem is the Addictive Personality, not the drug itself.

You guys have never stood in front of the room and admitted your addiction have you?

Its not easy, but once you do that - then come preach to me.

Who else here has even been to AA?

None?
Hey I'm not saying you can't. You're happy then good for you




I just wanted to ask a q. thats all.
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Hey I'm not saying you can't...I'm just asking do you think you're addicted to it? Thats' all. Could you really stop if you wanted to?
I am an addict.

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Maybe you think I have no right to tell my opinion here because I have never stood infront of a group of ppl and admitted that I'm addicted to whatever but as you say "who the hell are you to tell me I cannot".
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You seem confused by a picture of a female smoking what seems to be a marijuana joint, yet have I not seen you post pics of yourself getting dicked? Whats with the closet mentality?
No offence but I was making that face at her eye shadow.She looks pretty for what I can see of her face and I think that she could be alot prettier without so much eye shadow

btw I smoke pot rarely..I hate the taste...
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No offence but I was making that face at her eye shadow.She looks pretty for what I can see of her face and I think that she could be alot prettier without so much eye shadow

btw I smoke pot VERY occasionally..I hate the taste...
ooohh ok, then it was the eyeshadow. hehehe
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No offense, but I find it a bit silly that you would scoff at someone posting a pic like that when you have posted some of yourself doing rather questionable things.
Sweety I'm not scroffing at anyone...thats not what I ment. Relax

...WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY "QUESTIONABLE THINGS BTW"?


LOL sorry for the caps i'm too lazy to retype it
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ooohh ok, then it was the eyeshadow. hehehe
lol My minds not working today I ment I hardly ever smoke pot. My bf smokes pot 24/7 ,the only thing I have a prob with is the money he spends on it, the smell and most of the time he's not all there in the head when he's high
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Stereotypes from old guys are silly.

...

All it is , is a classic case of the old fearing the new.

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Ignorance is much more damaging to your health.

LOL, and WHO is stereotyping? What is NEW about smoking pot? Like smoking tobacco, it's something kids do thinking they are being "adult" by doing it. Whereas you'd be hard pressed to find very many adults who actually took up smoking while adults. It's a kid's thing to do.
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LOL, and WHO is stereotyping? What is NEW about smoking pot? Like smoking tobacco, it's something kids do thinking they are being "adult" by doing it. Whereas you'd be hard pressed to find very many adults who actually took up smoking while adults. It's a kid's thing to do.
Like it or not, youd have no models without pot.

All the girls are straight in PDX.

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If you dont have scars you dont know how to feel.
I sat by and watched my bf go through the funky chicken caused by cocain withdrawls a few yrs. ago .So while I may not have scars myself I do understand what it's like. He's been off the "blow" for 5 yrs. now

Sometimes the ppl close to you can give you the scars.
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When was the last time you did ANYTHING to help another person battle addiction?

You have no idea what I/we do or don't do to "battle addiction," do you. Also, show me someone who started using addictive substances without understanding that THEY were taking a risk. If someone were to help someone, shouldn't they start with those who are having a problem they didn't bring on themselves? What are YOU doing about birth defects, my friend?
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Like it or not, youd have no models without pot.

All the girls are straight in PDX.

hahaha
I'm not sure what you mean...that none of them would have been conceived if their parents had been high, or what? Stop smoking your dope and restate your premise.
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You have no idea what I/we do or don't do to "battle addiction," do you.
Nope, thats why I asked.

Glad to see you get involved.

Unfortunately AA and those seminar things make me upset and I dont like seeing people go through those hard times, but its something you have to face when you denounce those demons I suppose.
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In pdx the girls turn 18 on stage, yeah they don't smoke pot either.
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Smoking pot is unhealthy, if you think otherwise your a fucking idiot.

With that said though, I smoke it.
I also Smoke cigerattes, drink too much beer and coffee. It doesn't matter really because that stuff is fun.
I'd rather have more fun while I'm young, then live a few extra years as an old man.
You're lucky if smoking is actually still "fun." As a quitting smoker friend once confessed to me, "I started smoking to feel good. Now I smoke not to feel bad."
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I'm not sure what you mean...that none of them would have been conceived if their parents had been high, or what? Stop smoking your dope and restate your premise.
Dude you take pictures of young tattooed troubled girls from Portland. Are we gonna debate the physchological profile of strippers and the statistics regarding their abuse?

I know quite a few girls from Portland, all are drug addicted stripping porn sluts. Were, are now, or will be!

Am I wrong?

C'mon amigo, this isnt really that entertaining, youre like hours late.

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Can anybody name something that IS GOOD for you, in large amounts? Hmmm?

We're talking about things which are not good for you in any amount, though. At least red wine reduces the risk of heart attack. I'm not sure what cannabis does that offsets the bad side.
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In fact, why don't you shoot some stoner girl, bong smoking chicks? That content would sell like mad, there is a huge demand for it. And I doubt you would have a hard time finding girls willing to pose in Portland.

Oh wait, I forgot, marijuana is bad.
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Deleted everything I was about to post ...... but Unseen you should be looking to your state since medical use of marijuana is very legal here in Oregon. If it so deadly why are there licensed physicians suggesting the use may help some of there patients.

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Mr. Logic arrives. They prescribe chemotherapy, too, which you'd be insane to do if you didn't have cancer. Simply because it has a medical use doesn't imply that it should be a free-for-all. I defend it's use for glaucoma, etc., and the government's objections there are silly.
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In fact, why don't you shoot some stoner girl, bong smoking chicks? That content would sell like mad, there is a huge demand for it. And I doubt you would have a hard time finding girls willing to pose in Portland.

Oh wait, I forgot, marijuana is bad.
Apparently, it's not good for your memory.
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i am glad alcohol doesnt kill you,,much better taxes for the government
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I once got stoned at a bus (greyhound) station with an older gal on her way to D.C.to take, "In God We trust" off our US currency. She says God put herb here, and we should trust his creation.

We smoked a joint, and walked around 3 rd street promenade while we waited for our transfer bus. I wonder if she ever made it to washington?
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ever known of any one commiting a violent crime while on POT? I never have.

Bank robbers? Not on pot while robbing.
kilelrs? Not on pot while killing.

It makes you too mellow. And everything seems funny.
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cannabis is not bad for you...
i smoking it for over twenty year now..
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Mr. Logic arrives. They prescribe chemotherapy, too, which you'd be insane to do if you didn't have cancer. Simply because it has a medical use doesn't imply that it should be a free-for-all. I defend it's use for glaucoma, etc., and the government's objections there are silly.
And I have sat with a relative screaming in pain from the burning of radiation and chemotherapy. And at the time she did not have access to marijuana, so instead drank an entire liter of rum. Do you think this helped her? It did not.

Maybe they need to take Nyquil off the market too.
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You guys have never stood in front of the room and admitted your addiction have you?

Its not easy, but once you do that - then come preach to me.

Who else here has even been to AA?

None?
who says everyone has an addiction? i sure as hell don't and i never have.
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Mr. Logic arrives. They prescribe chemotherapy, too, which you'd be insane to do if you didn't have cancer. Simply because it has a medical use doesn't imply that it should be a free-for-all. I defend it's use for glaucoma, etc., and the government's objections there are silly.
Out of curiousity (without going to the orgeon health department site) do you know the approved conditions for medical marijuana in oregon? Not trying to be offensive to anyone , but it seems that most people I talk to just dont know (which I think is the problem). Theantidrug.com has more advertising dollars than NORML, etc. and in our society today more advertising dollars = in most americans minds the 'more correct opinion'.

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Sorry you don't like my eyeshadow, Pink. That just breaks my heart.... NOT! I have a great bod, just not into showing it to all the world, but I don't look down on people who do. I make a living in the biz like most people here, a good living in fact. I was making a point that just cus you fire a doobie, it doesn't make you stupid or bad. It just means you enjoy it. It's my only bad habit besides biting my nails and my addiction to eye makeup. I like it better than this nature child crap I keep seeing girls wear, you know, no makeup, grungy clothes that look dirty. I don't get tossed out of bed, babe. So it's not your taste? So what, I'm not loosing any sleep over it

I don't drink, don't smoke cigs, don't whore around.... as for addicted? Not hardly. I don't depend on pot every day, I don't smoke every day. If I go weeks without it, it doesn't bother me. Blanket assumption is very different from "blank" assumption. A blanket assumption is when you stereotype people, something that I don't do. A blank assumption would mean brain dead, maybe? I'm not sure what your point was or why you felt the need to insult me. I don't flame you, I don't flame anyone. I'm a very nice person, smoke or no smoke.

BTW, Fletch? I've got a pic I'll post for you later from MY stash=) Your buds are pretty, but mine are beautiful. (no eyeshadow on 'em either, the green goddess is all natural).
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I'm not sure what cannabis does that offsets the bad side.
Pass a "glaucoma" test with flying colors!
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But no way, don't legalize marijuana. Then what are all those angry teenagers gonna do? Get high and play video games?

No, lets teach them violent sports and war, and to suck down budweiser like its an old family tradition. The american way.
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Can you imagine the HUGE financial loss the tobacco and alcohol industries would suffer right now if everyone could legally grow and smoke their own marijuana? Seriously.
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But no way, don't legalize marijuana. Then what are all those angry teenagers gonna do? Get high and play video games?

No, lets teach them violent sports and war, and to suck down budweiser like its an old family tradition. The american way.
Wow that triggered a cool memory for me.

Me and my friends used to get high, and play Sonic The HedgeHog. We used to be really good at it stoned. Watching his speed trails, and seeing the flickering of the rings, and the colors. and chime sounds... wow, those were the days. Not a care in the world.
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At least red wine reduces the risk of heart attack. I'm not sure what cannabis does that offsets the bad side.
Stress is the No1 killer indirectly in the modern world and brings on cancer, heart trouble etc etc. A big fat spliff at the end of a hard day and the stress has gone. And the addictive craving for a smoke lasts about 2-3 days if you give up, it's not physical and about as difficult as stopping taking sugar in your coffee. People smoke because they want to not because there addicted. we're not talking crack or heroin here
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Stress is the No1 killer indirectly in the modern world and brings on cancer, heart trouble etc etc. A big fat spliff at the end of a hard day and the stress has gone. And the addictive craving for a smoke lasts about 2-3 days if you give up, it's not physical and about as difficult as stopping taking sugar in your coffee. People smoke because they want to not because there addicted. we're not talking crack or heroin here
Well, it seem to me if you want to reduce the stress in your life, getting rid of a habit that could net you jail time, a police record, and the health risks described in the article would be a good place to start.
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And the addictive craving for a smoke lasts about 2-3 days if you give up, it's not physical and about as difficult as stopping taking sugar in your coffee.

Good point.

Sugar was harder to quit than smoking cigarettes!

Challenge yourself and go a year without refined sugar products.

White sugar is a problem.

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The white crystalline substance we know of as sugar is an unnatural substance produced by industrial processes (mostly from sugar cane or sugar beets) by refining it down to pure sucrose, after stripping away all the vitamins, minerals, proteins, enzymes and other beneficial nutrients.

What is left is a concentrated unnatural substance which the human body is not able to handle, at least not in anywhere near the quantities that is now ingested in today's accepted lifestyle. Sugar is addictive. The average American now consumes approximately 115 lbs. of sugar per year. This is per man, woman and child.

The biggest reason sugar does more damage than any other poison, drug or narcotic is twofold:

(a) It is considered a "food" and ingested in such massive quantities, and

(b) The damaging effects begin early, from the day a baby is born and is fed sugar in its formula. Even mothers milk is contaminated with it if the mother eats sugar, and

(c) Practically 95% of people are addicted to it to some degree or other. "

http://www.organicnutrition.co.uk/ar...ad-for-you.htm

I quit sugar.
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This study isn't new, its the same bullshit the US Gov't has been repeating for 20 years.

Note that there is no hard data or real studies referenced in the story.

""These statistics will come as a surprise to many people, especially those who choose to smoke cannabis rather than tobacco in the belief it is safer for them. "

Riiiiiiiiiight, like anyone does that. People smoke cigarettes because the are addicted to NICOTINE you moron. Cannabis has none.

And the funniest quote of all..

"The BLF report, published on Monday, said the health risks were worse now than in the 1960s because there is more THC (tetrahydrocanabinol), the ingredient which accounts for the psychoactive properties of cannabis, in the substance consumed today"

In a report about lung damage? LOL I'd LOVE to see the evidence linking THC itself to lung damage. There is no evidence that THC itself has ANY long term harmful effects. Its only downside is mild, temporary, short term memory impairment.

If anything, higher THC levels produce less lung damage in smokers because you don't need to smoke as much to get the same high.

You are a fucking moron if you believe any of this shit. And you think pot smokers are stupid...


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This study isn't new, its the same bullshit the US Gov't has been repeating for 20 years.

Note that there is no hard data or real studies referenced in the story.

""These statistics will come as a surprise to many people, especially those who choose to smoke cannabis rather than tobacco in the belief it is safer for them. "

Riiiiiiiiiight, like anyone does that. People smoke cigarettes because the are addicted to NICOTINE you moron. Cannabis has none.

And the funniest quote of all..

"The BLF report, published on Monday, said the health risks were worse now than in the 1960s because there is more THC (tetrahydrocanabinol), the ingredient which accounts for the psychoactive properties of cannabis, in the substance consumed today"

In a report about lung damage? LOL I'd LOVE to see the evidence linking THC itself to lung damage. There is no evidence that THC itself has ANY long term harmful effects. Its only downside is mild, temporary, short term memory impairment.

If anything, higher THC levels produce less lung damage in smokers because you don't need to smoke as much to get the same high.

You are a fucking moron if you believe any of this shit. And you think pot smokers are stupid...

So, your position is basically that of the tobacco company executives: "We don't believe the evidence. More studies are needed,..." etc.

When you smoke cannabis, you are taking in a LOT more than just THC. Perhaps THC pills would be harmless, but there is no way that smoke in the lungs is EVER good, and I dare you to find a study that says so.
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Well, it seem to me if you want to reduce the stress in your life, getting rid of a habit that could net you jail time, a police record, and the health risks described in the article would be a good place to start.
i live in the UK and the government here has finally seen sense, and it's no longer an arrestable offence for cannabis possesion (not that it'll make much ddifference to the millions of potheads over here anyway)
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So, your position is basically that of the tobacco company executives: "We don't believe the evidence. More studies are needed,..." etc.

When you smoke cannabis, you are taking in a LOT more than just THC. Perhaps THC pills would be harmless, but there is no way that smoke in the lungs is EVER good, and I dare you to find a study that says so.
You seem to be very close minded so why discuss it if you have already made up your mind? Tell me honestly though, why should the government have a right to tell me that cigs are OK, but herb is bad.

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Also scroll up and answer that question about medical mj in oregon I asked you please
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