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Brujah · 02-10-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Retox Josh

I'm not saying they never made any money off affiliates before, what I'm saying is, they are making more with tubes than with an affiliate, re read what I posted.

Affiliate sends thousands of visitors, makes a 10 sales, takes half the profit.

Sponsor gives full out dated scene to tube site with their watermark, same amount of people that affiliate sent them types the url in, goes and 30 people actually sign up, sponsor keeps all profits, x3.

What would you rather do?

Show stats proving that tube site sales make more money than running an affiliate program in general.

tony286 · 02-10-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Retox Josh

If the programs are giving the content to the tubes, it's not illegal, and they are not stealing the content...

If pornhub is owned by brazzers like everyone thinks, brazzers is out of WA, you have an "illegal" tube in the US.

The brazzers are out of canada

WeirdHomer · 02-10-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Retox Josh

I'm not saying they never made any money off affiliates before, what I'm saying is, they are making more with tubes than with an affiliate, re read what I posted.

Affiliate sends thousands of visitors, makes a 10 sales, takes half the profit.

Sponsor gives full out dated scene to tube site with their watermark, same amount of people that affiliate sent them types the url in, goes and 30 people actually sign up, sponsor keeps all profits, x3.

What would you rather do?

Well, i was still editing my previous post by adding this:

I understand BradMs thinking though..... it's a basic business rule, adapt to the market or you die, simple. I to adapted but in a diffrent way.

I do undsertand sponsors adapting and using new business models, most are here to make money, not friends....

What i don't understand is the following: MGP sites used to be a good money maker in the beginning, with 2 minute clips maximum. Now why do tube sites not regulate that? Why 20 minutes or more high quality clips? I would think a tube site with the goal of selling memberships to paysites would have 2 min "sample" clips, sponsors do have tools to embed them, i just don't get why give a high quality full movie away for free.....

BFT3K · 02-10-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WeirdHomer

I do undsertand sponsors adapting and using new business models, most are here to make money, not friends....

What i don't understand is the following: MGP sites used to be a good money maker in the beginning, with 2 minute clips maximum. Now why do tube sites not regulate that? Why 20 minutes or more high quality clips? I would think a tube site with the goal of selling memberships to paysites would have 2 min "sample" clips, sponsors do have tools to embed them, i just don't get why give a high quality full movie away for free.....

You do not understand this because you are NOT a moron. Only a moron believes a surfer who visits free tube sites, to view and jerk off to free videos, will leave the free world to pull out a credit card in the pay world.

I hate tube sites, but I now have dozens of them bookmarked, so I can jerk off for free whenever I like! I can find ANY niche I want - I can find ANY model I want - I can watch FULL videos - and ALL FOR FREE!!!

Why the fuck would I type in the watermark's URL and PAY for porn, EVER?!

Please make more tube sites for me. If it is not too much trouble perhaps a few of you guys can "adapt or die" your way into uploading more hi def full screen scenes too while you're at it. I am sure that will make your tube site more popular!

I do not even bother to bookmark the tube sites that give away short clips, or bad players, or lo-res crap. Nope, I only go for the best when I am paying NOTHING to view my porn for FREE!

How do you compete in this brave new age? You give away MORE FREE PORN! You give away LONGER FREE SCENES! You give away scenes in ALL NICHES! You make sure the quality of your player and videos is better than the competition! The goal is to get more surfers to come to YOUR site for 100% FREE PORN so you get more traffic! Then you can make money from the guys who would rather visit a pay site and PAY for porn instead!

BRILLIANT!

After Shock Media · 02-10-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Its against the law to have people pay to come to live sex shows in the us.FYI

Not all together true.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-10-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

You do not understand this because you are NOT a moron. Only a moron believes a surfer who visits free tube sites, to view and jerk off to free videos, will leave the free world to pull out a credit card in the pay world.

I hate tube sites, but I now have dozens of them bookmarked, so I can jerk off for free whenever I like! I can find ANY niche I want - I can find ANY model I want - I can watch FULL videos - and ALL FOR FREE!!!

Why the fuck would I type in the watermark's URL and PAY for porn, EVER?!

Please make more tube sites for me. If it is not too much trouble perhaps a few of you guys can "adapt or die" your way into uploading more hi def full screen scenes too while you're at it. I am sure that will make your tube site more popular!

I do not even bother to bookmark the tube sites that give away short clips, or bad players, or lo-res crap. Nope, I only go for the best when I am paying NOTHING to view my porn for FREE!

How do you compete in this brave new age? You give away MORE FREE PORN! You give away LONGER FREE SCENES! You give away scenes in ALL NICHES! You make sure the quality of your player and videos is better than the competition! The goal is to get more surfers to come to YOUR site for 100% FREE PORN so you get more traffic! Then you can make money from the guys who would rather visit a pay site and PAY for porn instead!

BRILLIANT!

It's thinking like that, instead of out of the box that keeps you from making more money.

You think Brazzers would own a tube site that has their content on it also, if it didn't pay?

tony286 · 02-10-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Not all together true.

really tell me where you can do that?

Scroto · 02-10-2009, 01:46 PM

Banner spots on tubes available, see sig for icq..

BFT3K · 02-10-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Retox Josh

It's thinking like that, instead of out of the box that keeps you from making more money.

You think Brazzers would own a tube site that has their content on it also, if it didn't pay?

The current business model for tube sites will die off very soon. The idea of streaming videos in a tube-like manner will not, but the current business model will not last.

I am happy people like you continue to cheerlead the movement however, because MANY people in this industry are buying into this nonsense. This means more and more morons will falsely believe they have to start a tube site in order to compete, which will inevitably result in tons more tube sites - all competing against each other - all for less and less nonconverting traffic.

Unless these backstabbing sites, run by backstabbing scumbags, change their own bizarre business model, they too will be fucked soon as well. Nothing lasts forever...

BradM · 02-10-2009, 02:21 PM

While you guys lose traffic to the poor morally and ethically run tube sites I will make 2 more sales on the traffic.

I do this because you have nothing to offer me (either think penis enlargement is bullshit or are too high and mighty to sell ads).

If you woke up a bit and made something BETTER than the tubes (WeirdHomer is in the right direction with his concept) then I would be giving the money to you, supporting your content instead of content theft.

Instead, you sit here and bitch and whine and argue over morals.

Newsflash: Morals in business are hard to come by.

d-null · 02-10-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

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I do not even bother to bookmark the tube sites that give away short clips, or bad players, or lo-res crap. Nope, I only go for the best when I am paying NOTHING to view my porn for FREE!...!

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-10-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Newsflash: Morals in business are hard to come by.

Sad but true, money walks, and bullshit talks.

Tom_PM · 02-10-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Retox Josh

Sad but true, money walks, and bullshit talks.

dude, thats backwards :D

babebuns · 02-10-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Retox Josh

Sad but true, money walks, and bullshit talks.

You do alot of talking right josh

wheat · 02-10-2009, 02:35 PM

I heard that fat people roll, can anyone confirm?

tony286 · 02-10-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wheat

I heard that fat people roll, can anyone confirm?

no we are too squishy for that.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-10-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by babebuns

You do alot of talking right josh

Cam, you should probably talk to Eric about getting unbanned before he finds out about this one and bans you again.

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Originally Posted by wheat

I heard that fat people roll, can anyone confirm?

It's good to see the nobodies again.

wheat · 02-10-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Retox Josh

It's good to see the nobodies again.

Hahaha did you look in a mirror!!!

doridori · 02-10-2009, 03:45 PM

i lol so hard at these kind of threads. everybody thinks they are so righteous.

Fabien · 02-10-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

As I made this thread, I made 4 sales from tube sites - and you made nothing. My point has been proven. No one in this thread has sent me ANY sales - but tubes have. Yet you are all in here giving your 2c and bitching and whining. I win.

What a mother fucking dick !
I've been online for over 11 years now and have grey hair. Jesus Christ, i can't beleive someone like you is telling this and be proud about it.
Incredible

I just can't beleive it.

Juicy D. Links · 02-10-2009, 05:42 PM

i have my fast size on now actually , my penis is cute

DarkJedi · 02-10-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Retox Josh

It's good to see the nobodies again.

hahaha

look who is talking

DarkJedi · 02-10-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

While you guys lose traffic to the poor morally and ethically run tube sites I will make 2 more sales on the traffic.

You are either trolling, or a total fucking idiot.

You are making money off the tube sites just because you aren't selling porn.

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Originally Posted by BradM

I do this because you have nothing to offer me (either think penis enlargement is bullshit or are too high and mighty to sell ads).

Boo fuckign hoo. Cry more about evil webmasters not sending you any traffic.

Wait... Could it be because your program is SHIT?

doridori · 02-10-2009, 06:12 PM

you are all sad discussing with the same erroneous assumptions and weak arguments.

roganoli · 02-10-2009, 08:40 PM

The most popular tube sites paid a hard link on naughty.com (PR8). Check this "Naughty Friends" and you'll see everyone there! Atention on the terms "porn" "porn tube" "sex"... and compare it on google!

This naugty.com guy sell a link for thousands of dollars (anual fee). This goes against the Google guidelines!

Is possible report to Google on http://www.google.com/webmasters/

If there are many complaints can work!

Sorry my bad english!

ExLust · 02-10-2009, 08:43 PM

Good read.

d-null · 02-10-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by roganoli

The most popular tube sites paid a hard link on naughty.com (PR8). Check this "Naughty Friends" and you'll see everyone there! Atention on the terms "porn" "porn tube" "sex"... and compare it on google!

This naugty.com guy sell a link for thousands of dollars (anual fee). This goes against the Google guidelines!

Is possible report to Google on http://www.google.com/webmasters/

If there are many complaints can work!

Sorry my bad english!

you are correct, google doesn't like paid links to manipulate pr, if you actually know this is true the actual paid link report url is here though:

https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/paidlinks

LadyMischief · 02-10-2009, 11:06 PM

Following up on our previous news regarding Monty Python material on iTunes, Mashable is now reporting on a staggering increase of Monty Python DVDs sold on Amazon soon after the Python crew made some of their their more popular material free on Youtube. And by staggering, I mean 23,000% worth. Mashable notes that Monty Python’s DVDs climbed to the #2 spot on Amazon’s Movie’s and TV Bestseller List, and you don’t have to be a genius to follow that the sales were probably influenced by the Amazon links found on all of their Youtube clips.

When launching their massive Youtube effort, Monty Python made their intentions fairly clear:

“We’re letting you see absolutely everything for free. So there! But we want something in return. None of your driveling, mindless comments. Instead, we want you to click on the links, buy our movies & TV shows and soften our pain and disgust at being ripped off all these years.”

With this news, it seems their “crazy plan” was a success—and why wouldn’t it be? After all, most of their sketch material is tailor made for the typical Youtube viewer, and it’s not as if they would have been better served by a traditional television marketing campaign.

Read more here: http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/01/23/...sale-increase/

giving something away for free never works.. NEVER!

tony286 · 02-10-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/01/23/...sale-increase/ giving something away for free never works.. NEVER!

you knows its not the same thing for porn. stop lol

LadyMischief · 02-10-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

you knows its not the same thing for porn. stop lol

How is it not? Considering the continuing success of things like tgps/mgps for many years, isn't that essentially what those did for so long? Just showing a case that is applicable, porn or not.

tony286 · 02-10-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

How is it not? Considering the continuing success of things like tgps/mgps for many years, isn't that essentially what those did for so long? Just showing a case that is applicable, porn or not.

Based on the link you gave adult dvd sales should be thru the roof when they are having a very hard time. Also porn is different its not comedy. I find a scene I like I could jerk off to it for a very long time without needing another one. When I was a younger man I wore out Dirty debutantes one, never felt the need to get another one. It had scenes that made me happy.porn thrived for the longest time when all you had to go by was the video cover.

Dirty Dane · 02-11-2009, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

How is it not? Considering the continuing success of things like tgps/mgps for many years, isn't that essentially what those did for so long? Just showing a case that is applicable, porn or not.

I think you fail to see the big picture and focus on # of sales as the criteria, instead of focusing on the ratios.

Ratios are the measurement, regarding 'free or not'; How many percents buy something - how many don't. If your TGP (or tubesite) traffic generally generates 1:1000 overall to all sponsors, and you start agressively promoting one sponsor - along with massive increase in traffic - its likely your # of sales will increase too, for that particular sponsor.

The example with Monty Python, 230 times more # of sales, is probably not a result of better ratios. Its a result of massive traffic increase, i.e. marketing efforts and PR (through the media and spots on Youtube).

I do not know the Amazon ratios for Monty Python, but I'm pretty sure a significant increase in ratios would be time limited, unless they produce something new (which they won't), get even more traffic, and/or continue marketing efforts. The traffic and sales will otherwise slowly/suddenly die.

Dirty Dane · 02-11-2009, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Oh wait, that's right. No one here can send sales which is why we as program owners are going where the money and sales are going.

I've tried for years to buy banners from little TGPs that GFY webmasters own. They either want $2k a month for a banner that gets 97 clicks a day or don't reply to emails....

"We - as program owners"... do you mean porn sites, or physical products like FastSize Extender?

Jack Sparrow · 02-11-2009, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Fantastic thought. I'd love to. But I have not found a reasonable site that has 2 min clips (teasers or hardcore) that offers good advertising rates (if they do at all)

I'd love to go that route... very good idea.

Hit me up, i have something very interesting i would love to show you and backs about your whole story up. Lets do this then and change things around, let all the illegal tubes see what we can do when working together.

Im serious.

blogman9 · 02-11-2009, 03:36 AM

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Antonio · 02-11-2009, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

noone gets sued for the most part because they are in places where its hard to sue them. Wonder why there are no us illegal tubes?

90% of the big illegal tubes are US based or owned by a US citizen

roganoli · 02-11-2009, 07:09 AM

of course...

tranza · 02-11-2009, 07:15 AM

Really nice post Brad..

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-11-2009, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

you knows its not the same thing for porn. stop lol

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

How is it not? Considering the continuing success of things like tgps/mgps for many years, isn't that essentially what those did for so long? Just showing a case that is applicable, porn or not.

I love it, someone shows actual proof in the mainstream world of this going on, and theres the nay sayers "IT DON'T WORK WITH PORN".

Yes it does! You think everyone out there looking for porn is just looking to jerk off real quick and be done? No, only the cheap bastards are... True members are there for more then that... Why do you think cams is so fucking popular? Why do you think people get whales who spend 2-3k a month on one cam model? Because there is A LOT of people who want more out of their experience than just a quick nut bust.

Keep denying it, it's ok, when it really hits you, it will be over, and everyone will jump on it just like they have everything else they denied as working, just to realize it was when it is to late.

BradM · 02-11-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Davey Jones

You are either trolling, or a total fucking idiot.

You are making money off the tube sites just because you aren't selling porn.

Boo fuckign hoo. Cry more about evil webmasters not sending you any traffic.

Wait... Could it be because your program is SHIT?

U mad?

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BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	While you guys lose traffic to the poor morally and ethically run tube sites I will make 2 more sales on the traffic. I do this because you have nothing to offer me (either think penis enlargement is bullshit or are too high and mighty to sell ads). If you woke up a bit and made something BETTER than the tubes (WeirdHomer is in the right direction with his concept) then I would be giving the money to you, supporting your content instead of content theft. Instead, you sit here and bitch and whine and argue over morals. Newsflash: Morals in business are hard to come by.

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