started my human growth hormone/testosterone program today

[dyna mo]

10u somatropin- 1x daily and 100mg test topical- applied 2x daily.

i know the results of hgh therapy are not conclusive so i am looking forward to seeing what the results may or may not be for me.

anyone on the topical test? doctor said it works on 90% of the people taking it but if i don't see a change then he'll give me the injectable.

[xNetworx]

How is your diet and training routine? What are your body stats?

[uno]

I'd like to hear how it turns out in a few months.

[BV]

you rub it on your dick?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by pimpporn

How is your diet and training routine? What are your body stats?

44 years old, 6', 180 pounds, 17% body fat

5-6 meals a day, 225 grams protein, 75-100 grams complex carbs (usu oatmeal), 3-4 cups vegetables, just over 1 gallon of water per day.

weight training 3x week, + plyometrics, kenpo, cardio 3x a week, 1 day off. bcaa & eaa supplements scheduled around workouts.

they have the test that you apply to the nutsuck via patch but i went with the gel, apply to inner thighs.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

44 years old, 6', 180 pounds, 17% body fat

5-6 meals a day, 225 grams protein, 75-100 grams complex carbs (usu oatmeal), 3-4 cups vegetables, just over 1 gallon of water per day.

weight training 3x week, + plyometrics, kenpo, cardio 3x a week, 1 day off. bcaa & eaa supplements scheduled around workouts.

they have the test that you apply to the nutsuck via patch but i went with the gel, apply to inner thighs.

BF % is a little high. Ideally you would be better off starting HGH and Test at around 12% max, but hey, you are 44 years old and diet and training appear to be in check.

What are you using for PCT? Are you taking an AI during your cycle?

[pornguy]

Are you trying to grow your dick or what?

[slapass]

Are you worried about hair loss? seems being a fat lard ass that I am is better then a bald and probably still lazy fat lard ass.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by pimpporn

BF % is a little high. Ideally you would be better off starting HGH and Test at around 12% max, but hey, you are 44 years old and diet and training appear to be in check.

What are you using for PCT? Are you taking an AI during your cycle?

the doc said we'll do a blood panel in a month or so to check my liver so no PCT prescribed yet, he also said no need for an AI since this isn't a superdose of test.
i am taking a liquid vitamin/antioxidant/liver support

re: hairloss, the topical should be fine in that regard and esp. since i am not superdosing the test, hairloss should not be a worry, that being said i voiced my concern to him about that side effect.

[BVF]

Originally Posted by slapass

Are you worried about hair loss? seems being a fat lard ass that I am is better then a bald and probably still lazy fat lard ass.

I'd rather be a bald in shape ass....

[Porn Producer]

why are you taking the HGH?

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the doc said we'll do a blood panel in a month or so to check my liver so no PCT prescribed yet, he also said no need for an AI since this isn't a superdose of test.
i am taking a liquid vitamin/antioxidant/liver support

re: hairloss, the topical should be fine in that regard and esp. since i am not superdosing the test, hairloss should not be a worry, that being said i voiced my concern to him about that side effect.

Oh damn. Your doctor prescribed this for you? Must be top notch HGH. Lucky bastard.

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by BVF

I'd rather be a bald in shape ass....

I'm with you BVF

Smooth heads do not explode hearts last time I checked

[BOSS1]

Iwould run less HGH, IU 10 is too much in my opinion. More test 300-400 a week at least

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Porn Producer

why are you taking the HGH?

as i've gotten older, my physical and mental quality of life isn't where i want it to be, even though i am active, exercising, and enjoying my time spent with friends and family.

exercise and physical activity in particular, i would find myself getting quite fatigued after 30 minutes or so of working out, sex, etc. even after several months of training.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by BOSS1

More test 300-400 a week at least

He is using the test for supplemental therapy. I think his doctor put him on a low dose to avoid shutting down his natural test production

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by Porn Producer

why are you taking the HGH?

If you are over 40 (or even 35 imo), the question is, why are you not taking HGH?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by BOSS1

Iwould run less HGH, IU 10 is too much in my opinion. More test 300-400 a week at least

doc said if i would notice tingling in my fingertips if the hgh was too high, so we'll see, i'll inquire about the 300-400 mg more per week of test.


all pharma is scripted.

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

exercise and physical activity in particular, i would find myself getting quite fatigued after 30 minutes or so of working out, sex, etc. even after several months of training.

No offense. This sounds like a cop out. Work out harder. Don't lift weights, run. And drop the strawberry shortcake.

Of course when you are out of shape you are going to get tired. That and the fact you are 44. lol, people and quick fixes.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

No offense. This sounds like a cop out. Work out harder. Don't lift weights, run. And drop the strawberry shortcake.

Of course when you are out of shape you are going to get tired. That and the fact you are 44. lol, people and quick fixes.

Because ever person who takes HGH is lazy and has a poor diet. Riiiight. Let the grown ups talk in this thread.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by BOSS1

Iwould run less HGH, IU 10 is too much in my opinion. More test 300-400 a week at least

I don't think he is on 10iu a day, you must be very careful in comparing dosage that you are actually comparing the concentrations and units the same

I think it is more likely that he is on 1 iu per day which translates to a different amount of actual fluid depending on reconstitution concentration


would love to hear your progress as you go, thanks for the progress reports

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

No offense. This sounds like a cop out. Work out harder. Don't lift weights, run. And drop the strawberry shortcake.

Of course when you are out of shape you are going to get tired. That and the fact you are 44. lol, people and quick fixes.

you really should not make assumptions like this. esp. when you say things like do not work out, run. current exercise research proves you wrong. as does my lifestyle. my personal trainer would get a kick out of your comment

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by d-null

I don't think he is on 10iu a day, you must be very careful in comparing dosage that you are actually comparing the concentrations and units the same

I think it is more likely that he is on 1 iu per day which translates to a different amount of actual fluid depending on reconstitution concentration


would love to hear your progress as you go, thanks for the progress reports

the somatropin is a powder form in a vial, i mixed in 3CCs of pharma water to create the solution and fire 10u of that combo.
i am not sure what the actual amount of hgh is after mixing.

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by pimpporn

Because ever person who takes HGH is lazy and has a poor diet. Riiiight. Let the grown ups talk in this thread.

You're a fucking moron. Now piss off. You must be a fat lazy one too. You seem to know a ton on the subject. Apparently it's much easier to pop some pills than work. Fat ass.

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you really should not make assumptions like this. esp. when you say things like do not work out, run. current exercise research proves you wrong. as does my lifestyle. my personal trainer would get a kick out of your comment

I never said you didn't work out. I said work out harder. 5lb ankle weights while drinking a McDonalds milkshake and doublefisting a Big mac while watching an exercise program on FitTV doesn't count.

And just because Ronald McDonald has you lift his Quarter Pounder technically does not make him a "Personal Trainer".

[LatinCams]

Fuck i was lost at the start, i even tought we were talking about sex exchange lol

[d-null]

Carmine Raguso, go stick to threads that you actually have a clue about, you are only looking like a fool here.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the doc said we'll do a blood panel in a month or so to check my liver so no PCT prescribed yet, he also said no need for an AI since this isn't a superdose of test.
i am taking a liquid vitamin/antioxidant/liver support

re: hairloss, the topical should be fine in that regard and esp. since i am not superdosing the test, hairloss should not be a worry, that being said i voiced my concern to him about that side effect.

Dude, the topical testosterone will practically melt the hair off of your head in record time if you are already thinning or prone to male pattern baldness. This I can tell you from personal experience. But it will also make you horny as hell and super charge your libido and give you all the benefits of higher testosterone in your body at your age, so as long as you are aware of that one potential drawback, all is good.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

You're a fucking moron. Now piss off. You must be a fat lazy one too. You seem to know a ton on the subject. Apparently it's much easier to pop some pills than work. Fat ass.

Faguso first off, you are a nobody. I'm in fantastic shape. Judging by your MORONIC posts in this thread. You obviously know nothing about fitness, biology, or science.

"Don't lift, run" - That statement just destroyed any ounce of credibility you think you had.

Are you a fake nick or just a douchetard? Prescott AZ sucks! Easily one of the most boring populated areas in AZ.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the somatropin is a powder form in a vial, i mixed in 3CCs of pharma water to create the solution and fire 10u of that combo.
i am not sure what the actual amount of hgh is after mixing.

what does the vial say as far as total IU?

when you say you inject 10u of that, you mean that you are getting 30 injections out of one vial total?

[Porn Producer]

Originally Posted by pimpporn

I'm in fantastic shape.

yeah, thats why you're on HGH and testosteron


idiot.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by Porn Producer

yeah, thats why you're on HGH and testosteron


idiot.

STFU. You know shit. You probably ate fast food today and haven't been to a gym since you got picked on at the one in your high school.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by pimpporn

STFU. You know shit. You probably ate fast food today and haven't been to a gym since you got picked on at the one in your high school.

he still is in high school

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Dude, the topical testosterone will practically melt the hair off of your head in record time if you are already thinning or prone to male pattern baldness. This I can tell you from personal experience. But it will also make you horny as hell and super charge your libido and give you all the benefits of higher testosterone in your body at your age, so as long as you are aware of that one potential drawback, all is good.

thanks for that Jim, i will certainly watch the shower drain!


also, the hgh is omnitrope NOT somatropin, sorry for that.

d-null, the side of the vial states 5.8 mg/vial it will last no longer than 1 month, doc said i will use 1-2 vials per month but i am unsure if that is at 10u per day.

next, i've seen pimporn at a party or 3 a few years ago and the dude is ripped.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by Porn Producer

yeah, thats why you're on HGH and testosteron


idiot.

Some of you guys don't understand. People in their 30 & 40's and older who get into health and fitness add hormone replacement therapy to their regimens to increase their quality of life and better their physical and mental well being. It all goes hand in hand with eating better foods, lifting weights and exercising. The benefits are synergistic. Someday soon doctor prescribed testosterone for men and HGH for men and women over around 30-35 years old will simply be a routine thing that almost everyone who isn't very poor will do. After all, if you take care of yourself why would you want to let your body fall apart prematurely? This is a big part of aging, and you do not have to suffer it so much when there are legal doctor prescribed treatments to help.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Some of you guys don't understand. People in their 30 & 40's and older who get into health and fitness add hormone replacement therapy to their regimens to increase their quality of life and better their physical and mental well being. It all goes hand in hand with eating better foods, lifting weights and exercising. The benefits are synergistic. Someday soon doctor prescribed testosterone for men and HGH for men and women over around 30-35 years old will simply be a routine thing that almost everyone who isn't very poor will do. After all, if you take care of yourself why would you want to let your body fall apart prematurely? This is a big part of aging, and you do not have to suffer it so much when there are legal doctor prescribed treatments to help.

Hormone clinics are already under fire for opening in record numbers

[F-U-Jimmy]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

44 years old, 6', 180 pounds, 17% body fat

5-6 meals a day, 225 grams protein, 75-100 grams complex carbs (usu oatmeal), 3-4 cups vegetables, just over 1 gallon of water per day.

weight training 3x week, + plyometrics, kenpo, cardio 3x a week, 1 day off. bcaa & eaa supplements scheduled around workouts.

they have the test that you apply to the nutsuck via patch but i went with the gel, apply to inner thighs.

I tried the gel and it did nothing for me ?

[d-null]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

also, the hgh is omnitrope NOT somatropin, sorry for that.

d-null, the side of the vial states 5.8 mg/vial it will last no longer than 1 month, doc said i will use 1-2 vials per month but i am unsure if that is at 10u per day.
.

ok, that clears it up for me so I can explain it to you now

the omnitrope 5.8 mg vial roughly contains 17.4IU of growth hormone

the doc says you will use 1-2 vials per month, because it is difficult to inject and draw exactly 10u per shot, so with a little wastage you will use over 1 vial,

but at the calculated dose of the way you are mixing it, your 10u shot is equalling approximately 0.58 IU of growth hormone per day, which is a pretty good starting dose imo

sounds like you have a good doctor

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by F-U-Jimmy

I tried the gel and it did nothing for me ?

well, the doc did say the gel doesn't work for everyone, siad ~90% of folks do see the results. i did consider going with the injectable but not really up for that big of a needle, 25 gauge, 1.5". the hgh is fired with an insulin syringe- tiny.

i hope the topical works but i'll switch if not. let the g/f give me the injection, she'd prolly get a kick outta that.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by d-null

ok, that clears it up for me so I can explain it to you now

the omnitrope 5.8 mg vial roughly contains 17.4IU of growth hormone

the doc says you will use 1-2 vials per month, because it is difficult to inject and draw exactly 10u per shot, so with a little wastage you will use over 1 vial,

but at the calculated dose of the way you are mixing it, your 10u shot is equalling approximately 0.58 IU of growth hormone per day, which is a pretty good starting dose imo

sounds like you have a good doctor

NICE! thanks for that.

[Profits of Doom]

I have a friend on HGH, and his hair was always kind of on the thin side. He has been taking the stuff the last 2 years, and his hair looks like he is 20 years old again (he is actually 47). He said around 6 months in he noticed he didn't have the gray hairs growing in at all like he used to, and his hair started to grow in a lot healthier and thicker. He literally looks like he is 20 years younger, and he said he never felt this good, even when he was in his 20's. I don't believe he is taking the test, too, so I don't know how that would have affected it, but HGH alone apparently turns back the clock as far as your hair growth.

I'm 35 years old, and I plan on starting on HGH sometime this year. I am 6'3", and was always built kind of on the slim side and in shape, but about 3 years ago I started picking up a lot of weight from too much partying and eating like shit. I got as high as 230 pounds, which for me was ridiculous, until I did a 180 and started eating right again and hitting the gym hard. I'm back down to 175 and I'm starting to see abs again, but I just don't have the limitless energy that I used to. I know the HGH will change that.

As for the idiots knocking it, Randy Couture uses hormone replacement therapy. Feel free to look him up and tell him he doesn't work out hard enough...

[Imortyl Pussycat]

just turned 40 myself and don't even want to tell you how much cardio it takes/day to stay lean, it's ridiculous. i use free weights for toning because i get mushy without it. i am wondering what i can do on a smaller scale to increase the benefit of my workouts. what supplements i can take to help keep muscle. i don't want to go crazy but would like to have an aid in this daily routine.

i wonder for the guys on these therapies: if you stop taking the hormones at some point does your body get to a point that you can't naturally keep it in shape anymore?

be careful on your eating(the timing i mean). do it to the letter with your plan. i dated a guy that didnt follow the rules and the mood swings/aggression were insane

[uno]

How much is that all costing you a month? Dr visits, needles, drugs, etc...

[billywatson]

I checked into the whole "Dr Life" dealio with the Cenegentics dudes. That shit costs a lot -- starting with their $3500 check up. From there, it was like $800 - $1500 a month for the supps.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Imortyl Pussycat

just turned 40 myself and don't even want to tell you how much cardio it takes/day to stay lean, it's ridiculous. i use free weights for toning because i get mushy without it. i am wondering what i can do on a smaller scale to increase the benefit of my workouts. what supplements i can take to help keep muscle. i don't want to go crazy but would like to have an aid in this daily routine.

i wonder for the guys on these therapies: if you stop taking the hormones at some point does your body get to a point that you can't naturally keep it in shape anymore?

be careful on your eating(the timing i mean). do it to the letter with your plan. i dated a guy that didnt follow the rules and the mood swings/aggression were insane

At a certain point in life it doesn't matter for people. What I mean is if a man is in his mid 40's he no longer has any hgh production and has very little testosterone production. So for a man it becomes hormone replacement therapy. I'd rather take hgh and a little test for the rest of my life than watch my body turn into an estrogen factory.

When you combine that with excercise and diet you can definitely turn back the clock and feel good again.

And for you Imortyl Pussycat, I would advise seeing an endicrinologist. Claudia-Marie started having weight gain about a year and a half ago. So we put her on a diet and jacked up the workouts at the gym...but nothing really worked. She ate like a bird and worked out like a crazy person and just sort of maintained the weight. Didn't gain anymore, but couldn't lose it either. And she was always tired.

Finally did some heavy research...took her to an endicrinologist. The doctor ran blood tests on her for a couple of weeks and then showed us the results. Her thyroid was running so low that she had the metabolism of a 65 year old woman!

She has now been on thryoid medication, HGH, AND topical testosterone (yes women need a small amount too) for the last month and a half and she is watching the weight just melt off and she is feeling good and energetic again.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by Imortyl Pussycat

i wonder for the guys on these therapies: if you stop taking the hormones at some point does your body get to a point that you can't naturally keep it in shape anymore?

age can cause your body to get to that point regardless of taking hormones, but it depends on what you mean by "in shape"...... naturally with age it becomes impossible to stay ripped unless you artificially modify your hormone profile by injecting something, but of course a 65 year old person can improve their fitness without taking hormones, but it becomes difficult to stay lean and there are many things you just can't fight with aging without hormonal intervention

as far as stopping once you've been taking them, you are right in that the natural hormones can become supressed by the external hormones that are being taken, so that coming off of hormones that you have been on for awhile may have some adverse effects

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by uno

How much is that all costing you a month? Dr visits, needles, drugs, etc...

it will be $600-$1000 per month depending on the amount of hgh, if i go to 2 vials of hgh per month it will be ~$1000/month as each vial is $330. the test is $65ish per month, doc is $300 after the 1st visit. syringes are cheap.

i'm cool with that, fortunately i am in a place financially where i can do this and not be impacted.

[Imortyl Pussycat]

Originally Posted by Robbie

And for you Imortyl Pussycat, I would advise seeing an endicrinologist. Claudia-Marie started having weight gain about a year and a half ago. So we put her on a diet and jacked up the workouts at the gym...but nothing really worked. She ate like a bird and worked out like a crazy person and just sort of maintained the weight. Didn't gain anymore, but couldn't lose it either. And she was always tired.

Finally did some heavy research...took her to an endicrinologist. The doctor ran blood tests on her for a couple of weeks and then showed us the results. Her thyroid was running so low that she had the metabolism of a 65 year old woman!

She has now been on thryoid medication, HGH, AND topical testosterone (yes women need a small amount too) for the last month and a half and she is watching the weight just melt off and she is feeling good and energetic again.

i have been feeling tired lately. everyone knows i am the energizer bunny and then all of a sudden, crash. exercise used to keep me going but not so much now. i had a routine checkup a couple months ago and the dr. suggested testing all my levels but i was in a hurry to get out of there. i will def. take your suggestion and have it checked out. i noticed in Vegas that Claudia-Marie had dropped weight, she looks amazing but always has

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Imortyl Pussycat

i have been feeling tired lately. everyone knows i am the energizer bunny and then all of a sudden, crash. exercise used to keep me going but not so much now. i had a routine checkup a couple months ago and the dr. suggested testing all my levels but i was in a hurry to get out of there. i will def. take your suggestion and have it checked out. i noticed in Vegas that Claudia-Marie had dropped weight, she looks amazing but always has

CM went to her "regular" doctor and he did some tests of her thyroid and reported that everything was within "normal" levels.

But after doing some reading and seeing just how many women are misdiagnosed by their doctors when it comes to thyroid and hormones...we took her to the endicrinologist.

She has never had such thorough blood work done. It was almost to the point where I was starting to get pissed about it because they just kept doing tests (and charging us money).

But in the end it has worked out for the best. The specialist was definitely the way to go for her.

For me? I'll just get my hgh and test the old fashioned way. The blackmarket. lol A lot cheaper. Dangerous...but I don't really care about me. Claudia-Marie is far too precious to let her do it in any way other than the "right" way.

[doridori]

are you sure these stuff are safe ??